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2019-07-08 10:40:36 AM  
Yes, but how can we be sure he wasn't waiting for a lady?
 
2019-07-08 11:37:06 AM  

sirrerun: Yes, but how can we be sure he wasn't waiting for a lady?


Or a train.
 
2019-07-08 11:38:02 AM  
He wasn't shot and killed. What more do you libs want?
 
2019-07-08 11:38:13 AM  

Deathfrogg: sirrerun: Yes, but how can we be sure he wasn't waiting for a lady?

Or a train.


Or a white lady
 
2019-07-08 11:38:26 AM  
What a Cukor.
 
2019-07-08 11:39:52 AM  
Based on the kid's reaction, maybe someone should call CPS instead.
 
2019-07-08 11:40:19 AM  

vudukungfu: Deathfrogg: sirrerun: Yes, but how can we be sure he wasn't waiting for a lady?

Or a train.

Or a white lady


"where all the white women at?"

America's 2nd favorite past time...
 
2019-07-08 11:40:33 AM  

Subtonic: He wasn't shot and killed. What more do you libs want?


White people to NOT be so pants shiattingly scared of a random person doing normal people things and using their privilege to call the cops on someone because they can. Which has the potential of getting the person killed.
 
2019-07-08 11:42:01 AM  
Car lot Cukor.
 
2019-07-08 11:42:43 AM  

SpaceyCat: Subtonic: He wasn't shot and killed. What more do you libs want?

White people to NOT be so pants shiattingly scared of a random person doing normal people things and using their privilege to call the cops on someone because they can. Which has the potential of getting the person killed.


Well that's just crazy talk.
 
2019-07-08 11:44:33 AM  
This video on Open Carry should pretty much show the difference between how cops react to white vrs black people.
** Spoiler** Don't ever open carry if you're  not white

Also, NSFW

Open Carry Experiment Exposes Racist Cops [VIDEO]
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2019-07-08 11:45:06 AM  
"Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.
 
2019-07-08 11:45:44 AM  
But I thought that sort of stuff didn't happen in San Fran.
 
2019-07-08 11:46:04 AM  
I'm sorry Swatting guy's Dad was killed, but if he had really been worried about safety, he would have not taken his small child down to confront the guy who was supposed to be such a huge threat.

I feel so sorry for that little boy. He already knows his Dad is an illogical dick.
 
2019-07-08 11:46:16 AM  
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2019-07-08 11:46:33 AM  
Smart kid. It's not fair that kids have to tolerate asshole parents.
 
2019-07-08 11:46:34 AM  

KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.


It's hostile to not answer a strange man's questions?
 
2019-07-08 11:47:26 AM  

Marine1: But I thought that sort of stuff didn't happen in San Fran.


It doesn't, which is why the kid was so embarrassed
 
2019-07-08 11:47:41 AM  

KangTheMad: Can't we all just be friendly and get along?


As in, don't ask random strangers to justify their existence on demand?
 
2019-07-08 11:49:04 AM  

SpaceyCat: Subtonic: He wasn't shot and killed. What more do you libs want?

White people to NOT be so pants shiattingly scared of a random person doing normal people things and using their privilege to call the cops on someone because they can. Which has the potential of getting the person killed.


Reason? Logic? Pffft.

Humans are kind of like chickens in that they will go out of their way to peck to death anything that is even slightly different.
 
2019-07-08 11:49:51 AM  

KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say.


Minding your own business isn't that hard either.
 
2019-07-08 11:50:07 AM  
Sometimes people just suck.
 
2019-07-08 11:51:31 AM  

TotallyRealNotFake: This video on Open Carry should pretty much show the difference between how cops react to white vrs black people.
** Spoiler** Don't ever open carry if you're  not white

Also, NSFW

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That's one reason I hate NRA extremists. They KNOW that open carry does not apply the same to non-white people. They are not apathetic about that fact. They INTEND for open carry to apply to white people, but not to minorities.
 
2019-07-08 11:52:50 AM  
"Although not an excuse for Cukor's actions, in 2013, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, his father Peter Cukor, was killed by a mentally ill intruder."


How is that not a valid reasoning when the man won't give a valid reason for hanging around?
 
2019-07-08 11:52:57 AM  
Ah, the Patagonia jacket.  The official jacket of That Guy.
 
2019-07-08 11:53:53 AM  

KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.


wut
He told Cukor it was none of his business, and it was none of his business.
 
2019-07-08 11:54:28 AM  
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2019-07-08 11:54:32 AM  

KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.


Except, Cuckor isn't building security, nor the concierge, etc. It's NONE OF HIS FARKING BUSINESS who the scary black software engineer was waiting for. You can GTFOHWTBS.
 
2019-07-08 11:54:43 AM  

KangTheMad: Can't we all just be friendly and get along?


Tell that to the guy who decided it was his business to find out what someone else was doing in public and showed his ass to the world by calling the cops on that person.  The guy wasn't doing anything illegal.  He was in a public space.  He had every right to be there without being disturbed.  The chickenshiat asshole wanted to wave his dick around and butted in where he had no right to do so.
 
2019-07-08 11:55:09 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.

It's hostile to not answer a strange man's questions?


Yes, because the default hierarchy in society is that man outranks woman and white outranks melanin. A white man was present. Therefore, he was the prevailing authority figure. If an authority figure questions you, you must comply by answering. Dark skinned man was insolent by refusing to do so.
 
2019-07-08 11:55:16 AM  

SloppyFrenchKisser: Sometimes people just suck.


FTFY
 
2019-07-08 11:55:40 AM  

Technoir: KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.

Except, Cuckor isn't building security, nor the concierge, etc. It's NONE OF HIS FARKING BUSINESS who the scary black software engineer was waiting for. You can GTFOHWTBS.


George Thorogood Farking On Howard Washington's Tuberculosis Sailboat?
 
2019-07-08 11:56:11 AM  

Bruscar: I'm sorry Swatting guy's Dad was killed, but if he had really been worried about safety, he would have not taken his small child down to confront the guy who was supposed to be such a huge threat.

I feel so sorry for that little boy. He already knows his Dad is an illogical dick.


Cukor obviously had an axe to grind to approach a potentially homicidal manic with his small child.
 
2019-07-08 11:57:39 AM  
Michel was obviously lying because Black People don't have friends.  8-(

Actually, Cukor could have simply asked if the stranger needed any help.  If he says "No", fine.  If the stranger is up to no good he's now aware that he's been noticed and may be inclined to leave.
 
2019-07-08 11:58:25 AM  

Best Princess Celestia: "Although not an excuse for Cukor's actions, in 2013, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, his father Peter Cukor, was killed by a mentally ill intruder."


How is that not a valid reasoning when the man won't give a valid reason for hanging around?


Because Swatting Sam knew that man posed no real threat. We know this because Swatting Sam did not sweep his child into his arms and sprint with the child to safety.
 
2019-07-08 11:58:28 AM  

KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.


Why did Cukor need to know the person's name?

In what way was it at all his business or concern?  Dude was on a sidewalk outside a multi-tenant building.

"Waiting for a friend" was as much of an answer as Cukor deserved to his inquiry as to why a person was stationary in a public space.
 
2019-07-08 12:00:04 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: "Although not an excuse for Cukor's actions, in 2013, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, his father Peter Cukor, was killed by a mentally ill intruder."


How is that not a valid reasoning when the man won't give a valid reason for hanging around?


He gave a valid reason.  He was waiting for a friend.
 
2019-07-08 12:00:04 PM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: Michel was obviously lying because Black People don't have friends.  8-(

Actually, Cukor could have simply asked if the stranger needed any help.  If he says "No", fine.  If the stranger is up to no good he's now aware that he's been noticed and may be inclined to leave.


Yeah, that's what we do with strange people loitering in strange cars on our dead end street with a multiple-felon neighbor who houses his prison buddies and multiple homes have been broken into. We haven't called the cops on anyone though.
 
2019-07-08 12:01:15 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: "Although not an excuse for Cukor's actions, in 2013, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, his father Peter Cukor, was killed by a mentally ill intruder."


How is that not a valid reasoning when the man won't give a valid reason for hanging around?


Well what are the odds of it happening twice?
 
2019-07-08 12:02:37 PM  

KangTheMad: Yeah, that's what we do with strange people loitering in strange cars on our dead end street with a multiple-felon neighbor who houses his prison buddies and multiple homes have been broken into. We haven't called the cops on anyone though.


Not quite the same situation.
 
2019-07-08 12:02:56 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Best Princess Celestia: "Although not an excuse for Cukor's actions, in 2013, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, his father Peter Cukor, was killed by a mentally ill intruder."


How is that not a valid reasoning when the man won't give a valid reason for hanging around?

Well what are the odds of it happening twice?


I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that double jeopardy means a crime can only happen once.
 
2019-07-08 12:03:17 PM  

Marine1: But I thought that sort of stuff didn't happen in San Fran.


You thought this sort of thing didn't happen in a city full of entitled libertarian tech bros?
 
2019-07-08 12:03:34 PM  
Don't follow someone into the locked entrance of an apartment building, regardless of what you look like.

But also, don't call the cops to resolve all of your anxieties.
 
2019-07-08 12:04:15 PM  
If you read to the end:

Although not an excuse for Cukor's actions, in 2013, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, his father Peter Cukor, was killed by a mentally ill intruder.

That's actually a pretty f*cking good excuse for Cukor to be a little more paranoid than most.  These videos are outrageous because they show people who are clearly racist.  This guy has a reason to be paranoid at everyone.So all we have here is a guy who is paranoid about a black guy but it's fully possible he's paranoid about everyone and the black guy's video is the only one that went viral.

Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name and warned him that he'll end up like the rest of the white people who've called the cops on Black people for no reason.

He actually had a reason, a pretty f*cking good one.  Michel is assuming Cukor called the cops because Michel is black.  I also would have assumed that given current culture.  But thanks to digging by Essence, we have a better more likely explanation.  Just because Cukor is white doesn't mean the only reason he might call the cops is because he's scared of black people.
The beginning of the video is a pretty f*cking reasonable request - if you have a friend who lives here and is on the call box, call them.  Michel refuses.  Rather than be reasonable and say "I would and I'm happy to but she's actually on her way down now" he decides, because Cukor is white, he's going to get video, the video is going to go viral and be one of those viral videos that shows racism.
How would Michel have acted ifarkor was black?
 
2019-07-08 12:07:00 PM  

lindalouwho: wut
He told Cukor it was none of his business, and it was none of his business.


Not exactly. If the guy was tailgating, that's what you're told to do.

I live in a condo, and we've had personal items (bikes, packages) stolen by people who follow other people into the building. We are told not to let anyone in behind us, and if they are visiting someone, to ask them to use the callbox.

That seems to be what happened here. The guy was walking out with his kid and someone else tried to enter. He asked if he had a reason to be in the building, and away the confrontation went.

Calling the cops was a huge overreaction, but stopping someone who doesn't have a key to your building and asking them to call their friend or wait outside is exactly what you're told to do in that situation.
 
2019-07-08 12:07:35 PM  

lindalouwho: He told Cukor it was none of his business, and it was none of his business.


It was not his responsibility.  He could have done nothing but he was looking out for his neighbors.  He did so because his father was murdered by an intruder and he didn't want something like that happening to his neighbors.

So he didn't have to, it was not his responsibility.  But he pitched in to help make his neighbors and community safer anyway.  It's the whole f*cking basis of "if you see something say something."
 
2019-07-08 12:09:14 PM  

KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.



How about bite me. Does bite me work for you?

Are you really saying that if you were being harassed by some maniac on the street you would start handing out your friend's names?!?!?!
 
2019-07-08 12:10:30 PM  

KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.


Why should he have to tell this guy his friend's name?
 
2019-07-08 12:10:46 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: KangTheMad: "Michel refused to give Cukor his friends name"

*sighs*

Can't we all just be friendly and get along? "Yeah, I'm waiting for Steve Smith" is not so hard to say. Not that calling the cops on the black man is warranted, it's just disappointing that both sides defaulted to being hostile.

It's hostile to not answer a strange man's questions?


What's the big deal if you are there for a legitimate reason? I get that you don't have to, but what's the problem with doing it? In that same situation I would have without picking up a phone, filming and resorting to race
 
2019-07-08 12:11:23 PM  

nmrsnr: Calling the cops was a huge overreaction, but stopping someone who doesn't have a key to your building and asking them to call their friend or wait outside is exactly what you're told to do in that situation.


I don't think it was.  Cukor was out with his son and had shiat he wanted to do.  Waiting for the situation to escalate before you call the cops would have been the mistake, especially with your kid there.  This was not his job or responsibility.  And what else would he do?  The guy is refusing to answer questions and Cukor thinks there's a good chance this guy is full of shiat.  Do you just stand there and out wait him?

Calling the cops is no big deal.  It's not like that's an instant arrest.  The cops are the right ones to come assess and deal with the situation.  Have the cops come and stand there and wait it out so he and his kid can go have fun.
 
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