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2019-06-27 09:18:52 AM  
Beto lost.
Ryan and Gabbard are done.
Klobuchar and deBlasio maybe get one more debate to stand out.
Delaney....oh fark Delaney

Clearly the winners were Booker, Castro and Warren. Inslee did okay.
 
2019-06-27 09:48:20 AM  
Did any of them speak more than Chuck Todd?
 
2019-06-27 09:50:37 AM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Did any of them speak more than Chuck Todd?


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2019-06-27 10:48:38 AM  
Can we deport Chuck Todd yet?
 
2019-06-27 12:14:56 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Can we deport Chuck Todd yet?


All we are talking about is Chuck Todd control, not Chuck Todd confiscation!
 
2019-06-27 12:16:04 PM  
OK
Now you guys can see which one was machine gun Kelly

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2019-06-27 12:16:49 PM  
Chuck Todd is what happens if you have a birth deformity that turns your lower face into a nutsack.
 
2019-06-27 12:18:51 PM  
The number of words is not important when you have the best words. Believe me.
 
2019-06-27 12:20:28 PM  

tinderfitles: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Can we deport Chuck Todd yet?

All we are talking about is Chuck Todd control, not Chuck Todd confiscation!


Everything Chuck Todd was doing was an attempt to give Faux Noise fear soundbites for the conservative crowd and trying to get the candidates to respond in a manner to do just that.

I would have liked less "they're taking mah gunz" and more "let's do away with child concentration camps". I didn't like it at all that they cut that debate short, and felt that they should have let it continue.
 
2019-06-27 12:21:41 PM  
Much like Baseball anything that can be measured will be measured and a matrix of how that statistic relates to the ultimate conclusion will be drawn.

Trump says lots of words.  He does not say much.  It has been his greatest strength being the bloated hate goblin avatar for the troglodytes of the nation.

I imagine the inverse will not prove true on the other side.

Clinton had the most actionable policy during the last election.  Dense, wordy policy papers (I think the ratio compared to Trump's written stances was 4 or 5 to 1), and that got her more votes in the election.

My overall problem with all of this goes back to the Baseball analogy, this is all being treated like a sport and not the most significant political contest on the planet.  And that is why we are all doomed.
 
2019-06-27 12:23:44 PM  
 
2019-06-27 12:23:55 PM  
How to win a debate: Scream one word over and over until the moderator sics security on you. Gets you public exposure and word count.

Winner=me
 
2019-06-27 12:23:56 PM  
Chuck Todd really needs to find a different line of work.
 
2019-06-27 12:24:15 PM  

bdub77: Chuck Todd is what happens if you have a birth deformity that turns your lower face into a nutsack.


He's used to having a sporran on his face.
 
2019-06-27 12:25:25 PM  
Every one of these candidates should be tweeting that they won.  Just pick an item and use it to declare victory.  "I wore the reddest red.  I won. #DemVictory!"  Just drown out D2S on his choice of media.
 
2019-06-27 12:25:51 PM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: OK
Now you guys can see which one was machine gun Kelly

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I was honestly surprised that Beto came in second, with his at times rapid fire delivery would have had the most words spoken.

You know I notice something..none of the talking heads and graph people are doing much to actually get any "man on the street" or "audience participatiion" responses. Like they should show a clip of what a candidate said last night, and then instead of getting a talking head or guest opinion, ask a regular ..not a "focus group selection", but a regular damn voter, a real live breathing human being, what their opinion is.

Funny how I bet there were a lot of "debate parties", probably in restaurants and bars, too..but I don't hear any news on any response from any of them today either.

This is all being way too orchestrated for my taste.

and for the record, I do like Warren best of all the canddiates, and after that Castro of all the candidates. Matter of fact, I'm the opposite of the talking heads. I think the best debate was probably last night,because I am no fan of the old white men. When you HAVE old white men that have brains saying they don't want old white men to the few reporters that ask the opinions of people, that should be a sign.

A sign that not all people are stupid, and the orchestration veers on the blatant at times.
 
2019-06-27 12:26:26 PM  
But were they the ' best words' ? I strongly doubt it. Only glorious leader has that much command of the bigly. These posers just use regular understandable words...BORING !
 
2019-06-27 12:26:34 PM  

mrparks: How to win a debate: Scream one word over and over until the moderator sics security on you. Gets you public exposure and word count.

Winner=me


If I was going to do that and was a candidate, the one word would be two. CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
 
2019-06-27 12:27:10 PM  
Let me add my voice to the disdain for the access journalist, false symmetry addict, cut-rate pontificator, milquetoast dispenser, and lazy stenographer someone tried to pass off as a Very Serious Moderator Person last night.
 
2019-06-27 12:27:23 PM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: But were they the ' best words' ? I strongly doubt it. Only glorious leader has that much command of the bigly. These posers just use regular understandable words...BORING !


Trump was tweeting that when they were talking about the dead father and daughter in the Rio Grande that drowned.
 
2019-06-27 12:27:43 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Chuck Todd really needs to find a different line of work.


Ship's anchor?
 
2019-06-27 12:28:13 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: Chuck Todd really needs to find a different line of work.


He should apply for Colmes old position on Fox.
 
2019-06-27 12:30:15 PM  
Didn't watch.

Did any of them vomit up a blob of unhinged stupid like a person just emerging from anesthesia? No?

Then WE won.

And apparently Chuck Todd continues to be shiat, to judge by the other comments.
 
2019-06-27 12:31:11 PM  
What I really want to know is how often each candidate blinked during the debate.  The ones who didn't blink much, or at all, are obviously lizard people and the ones who blinked freakishly often are lying or hiding something.
 
2019-06-27 12:31:55 PM  
Who had the most Spanish words?
 
2019-06-27 12:32:25 PM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: OK
Now you guys can see which one was machine gun Kelly

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Words per minute:
Booker      199.7863
O'Rourke  181.4085
Warren      176.3375
Castro       179.0977
Klobuchar  191.7624
Gabbard    168.733
Ryan          188.1633
Delaney     155.5012
de Blasio   155.4706
Inslee         179.7945

So Booker and Klobuchar talked the fastest, and Delaney and de Blasio talked the slowest.  That surprises me; de Blasio was being peak New Yorker.
 
2019-06-27 12:33:07 PM  

bdub77: Chuck Todd is what happens if you have a birth deformity that turns your lower face into a nutsack.


He looks nothing like Peter Griffin.
 
2019-06-27 12:40:24 PM  
I quantify with anagrams

Donald John Trump
Porn Jolt Hand Mud

Michael Pence
Aim Clench Pee

Elizabeth Warren
Brazen Wealth Ire


Joe Biden
I need job
 
2019-06-27 12:40:49 PM  
Expectations

Warren performed mostly as expected. She faded a bit at the end.
Klob and Beto underperformed.
Castro exceeded expectations.
Booker met expectations.
Gabbard didn't come off as a howling lunatic, so exceeded expectations.
Tim Ryan and DeBlasio were much more angry than I expected.
Delaney and Inslee try-harding, as expected.
 
2019-06-27 12:45:01 PM  

TheEndIsNigh: Cornelis de Gyselaer: OK
Now you guys can see which one was machine gun Kelly

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Words per minute:
Booker      199.7863
O'Rourke  181.4085
Warren      176.3375
Castro       179.0977
Klobuchar  191.7624
Gabbard    168.733
Ryan          188.1633
Delaney     155.5012
de Blasio   155.4706
Inslee         179.7945

So Booker and Klobuchar talked the fastest, and Delaney and de Blasio talked the slowest.  That surprises me; de Blasio was being peak New Yorker.


Thanks I knew someone would do the math
 
2019-06-27 12:49:06 PM  
Can I get that in a word balloon
 
2019-06-27 01:00:36 PM  
Do we know who spoke the most Spanish?
 
2019-06-27 01:02:37 PM  

b0rg9: Who had the most Spanish words?


¿que?
 
2019-06-27 01:04:29 PM  
Wasn't able to watch last night, but it's good to read that Chuck Todd is still Dante from "Clerks" more worthless brother
 
2019-06-27 01:06:33 PM  
That's 120 minutes I didn't watch.

With tv ads squeezing down time and inserting more words than humanly possible, listening to speed talking as political speed dating is really not that meaningful.
 
2019-06-27 01:09:44 PM  
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2019-06-27 01:12:03 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Giant Clown Shoe: Did any of them speak more than Chuck Todd?

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dude whered u find that
 
2019-06-27 01:16:44 PM  

Rocketboy1313: Much like Baseball anything that can be measured will be measured and a matrix of how that statistic relates to the ultimate conclusion will be drawn.

Trump says lots of words.  He does not say much.  It has been his greatest strength being the bloated hate goblin avatar for the troglodytes of the nation.

I imagine the inverse will not prove true on the other side.

Clinton had the most actionable policy during the last election.  Dense, wordy policy papers (I think the ratio compared to Trump's written stances was 4 or 5 to 1), and that got her more votes in the election.

My overall problem with all of this goes back to the Baseball analogy, this is all being treated like a sport and not the most significant political contest on the planet.  And that is why we are all doomed.


Not to mention that that type of analysis has rid baseball of the few interesting things it had going for it and has pushed every at-bat to be as extreme as possible (BB, K or HRs only, please).

Stop quantifying irrelevant things so that everything is tailored to "win" sh*t that sucks.

People are legitimately criticizing that there wasn't anything INTERESTING enough in that debate. Since when do we want "interesting" Presidents, you goddamn idiots?
 
2019-06-27 01:20:29 PM  

mrparks: How to win a debate: Scream one word over and over until the moderator sics security on you. Gets you public exposure and word count.

Winner=me


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2019-06-27 01:34:50 PM  

jaytkay: The number of words is not important when you have the best words. Believe me.


The very very best words.
 
2019-06-27 01:37:14 PM  

mdemon81: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Ryan and Gabbard are done.

Gabbard won the debates ya know.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/450​597-drudge-instant-poll-shows-tulsi-ga​bbard-winning-first-democratic-debate-​in


Sure, Gabbard may actually have won the poll of Drudge deplorables. She can win over people who are not hard core progressives. Of all the candidates on Wednesday, she has the most statesmanlike demeanor. Don't count her out just yet.

#Gabbard2020
#AnyoneButBiden
 
2019-06-27 01:38:30 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Beto lost.
Ryan and Gabbard are done.
Klobuchar and deBlasio maybe get one more debate to stand out.
Delaney....oh fark Delaney

Clearly the winners were Booker, Castro and Warren. Inslee did okay.


Gabbard is just getting started. She won't be done until the Russians give up on her.
 
2019-06-27 01:40:54 PM  

Purple_Urkle: I quantify with anagrams

Donald John Trump
Porn Jolt Hand Mud

Michael Pence
Aim Clench Pee

Elizabeth Warren
Brazen Wealth Ire

Joe Biden
I need job


TULSI GABBARD

U Rad Batgirls
 
2019-06-27 02:11:01 PM  

Cornelis de Gyselaer: OK
Now you guys can see which one was machine gun Kelly

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In a time-vs-impact comparison, I think it could be argued that Inslee did the best out of everyone, including Warren.
 
2019-06-27 02:16:27 PM  
Smelly Pirate Hooker:

Did any of them vomit up a blob of unhinged stupid like a person just emerging from anesthesia?

Delaney came close a few times.
 
2019-06-27 02:48:55 PM  
Just read a novel with the central concept of word count- in the story, women are suppressed by a very cruel piece of technology. A bracelet which monitors the number of words they speak in a day. If they speak over a hundred words, they get a thousand volt shock of electricity to their body. Scary stuff.

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2019-06-27 03:09:53 PM  

Kirablue42: Funny how I bet there were a lot of "debate parties", probably in restaurants and bars, too..but I don't hear any news on any response from any of them today either.


My group of friends have done one for every presidential debate since the 2008 campaign.

We did not do this one because it felt an awful lot like it was going to be as painful as the goddamned 2012 RT-sponsored independent debates, which nobody enjoyed except the RONPAWWWW enthusiast.
 
2019-06-27 03:12:40 PM  

Kuta: Purple_Urkle: I quantify with anagrams

Donald John Trump
Porn Jolt Hand Mud

Michael Pence
Aim Clench Pee

Elizabeth Warren
Brazen Wealth Ire

Joe Biden
I need job

TULSI GABBARD

U Rad Batgirls


Tulsi Gabbard
Tu ls iga bba rd
Tuig a rd lsbba
A tuigrd lsbba
A Turgid Blabs

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2019-06-27 04:16:39 PM  
🤭
 
2019-06-27 04:19:49 PM  

Kuta: mdemon81: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Ryan and Gabbard are done.

Gabbard won the debates ya know.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/450​597-drudge-instant-poll-shows-tulsi-ga​bbard-winning-first-democratic-debate-​in

Sure, Gabbard may actually have won the poll of Drudge deplorables. She can win over people who are not hard core progressives. Of all the candidates on Wednesday, she has the most statesmanlike demeanor. Don't count her out just yet.

#Gabbard2020
#AnyoneButBiden


We have Fred Trump's Fat Disappointment as president.

Where do you get off expecting "statesmanlike demeanor".

Also, Gabbard wasn't "statesmanlike" she was authoritarian.
 
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