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2019-06-13 08:27:26 PM  
But, it's a Dodge. I wouldn't take it if you gave it to me.
 
2019-06-13 09:05:45 PM  
I parked next to one of those things recently in a parking lot. Opened my Tacoma door and it smacked the side mirror of the Laramie. I would've waited to apologize but the farking mirrors were at least eight inches into my parking space (same on the other side - I checked out of pure bafflement). Fark them.
 
2019-06-13 09:38:23 PM  
Christ, that color is awful. It looks like a Mack truck and a Toyota Avalon had a bastard baby.
 
2019-06-14 05:34:49 AM  
Truck. Why?

I see them in parking lots. Beds resplendent with no dings or nicks as if they ain't never hauled nothing.

Seems to me most folks that got a truck ain't need a truck. At least that's what I think.
 
2019-06-14 05:39:06 AM  
"Here's the Last 1 Ton Luxury Truck You Can Buy New With a Manual Transmission"

I should buy a luxury truck to go with my palatial outhouse.
 
2019-06-14 05:51:39 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Christ, that color is awful. It looks like a Mack truck and a Toyota Avalon had a bastard baby.


I'll agree that they went overboard with the chrome accents, but how is basic off-white and gray awful? In the days of neon green, yellow, and whatever the hell Subaru calls that rust orange, it's about as inoffensive as you can get...
 
2019-06-14 06:39:42 AM  

freakdiablo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Christ, that color is awful. It looks like a Mack truck and a Toyota Avalon had a bastard baby.

I'll agree that they went overboard with the chrome accents, but how is basic off-white and gray awful? In the days of neon green, yellow, and whatever the hell Subaru calls that rust orange, it's about as inoffensive as you can get...


Needs moar "No Fear" & "Calvin Peeing On Things" decals?

I agree this is the least offensive, as far as trucks can get these days.

I'd also like to give a shout-out to stick-shifts. I learned on a three-on-the-tree '52 Chevy, and cut my teeth on many cars throughout the years. They were good times, but they're a sign of a bygone era. Inefficient (but fun), they ushered in many generations of new grads on the road...

How many of us have our stories of grinding gears and double-clutching, while mom or dad sat in the passengers seat, grinding their teeth listening to us destroying their car's transmission while we learned to drive?

This is a passing of an era, and while I welcome it for it's increased efficiency, so shall I shed a tear for just that bit of nostalgia that we all hold onto, in our own ways, with our own cars we grew up with.

As we begin this new chapter--this new journey--it won't be easy to let go, but I promise you one thing: when we're old and infirmed, we'll be welcoming those self-driving cars to take us to our shuffleboard tournaments, because let's be honest: none of us are going to want to have to double-clutch when death is on the line. So say we all!
 
2019-06-14 06:57:39 AM  

WTFDYW: But, it's a Dodge. I wouldn't take it if you gave it to me.


on the plus side the automatic transmission won't fail on this particular model.
 
2019-06-14 07:04:50 AM  

WTFDYW: But, it's a Dodge. I wouldn't take it if you gave it to me.


But Dodge trucks are Uterine Tough(tm).
 
2019-06-14 07:13:29 AM  
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It's a big earnest truck, designed to be the personal mount of a ranch owner.  I think the chrome and polished steel goes really well with the off-white paint.  It looks high dollar, but not ostentatiously so.  Of course if you try to use it as a DD in a crowded big city you'll look like a tool, but if you use it to pull trailers cross-country it looks respectable.

Honestly, I've been considering buying a trailer and a truck to pull it so I can go road-tripping across the country.   If this article had popped up in 6 months, I might have actually called about it.  It'll probably be sold by then, now, though.
 
2019-06-14 07:41:58 AM  
For all the things I would use that truck for, I would prefer an automatic. Mostly for hooking up to a trailer.
 
2019-06-14 07:43:22 AM  
Luxury pickups are for bow tie wearing CPA who want to pretend they have gonads.
 
2019-06-14 08:09:17 AM  
If you bought a pick-up in the last 25 years with a manual transmission, you are over-compensating for something.
 
2019-06-14 08:19:55 AM  

fark account name: If you bought a pick-up in the last 25 years with a manual transmission, you are over-compensating for something.


I kind of half agree, but I love driving a manual transmission.  they're fun, and they keep you 'involved' with your car, not to mention it makes driving in snow a lot easier/better, IMO coming from an area where 'lake effect snow' is a very real thing.   I wonder if all cars were manuals how much would distracted driving accidents (from phones, etc) go down because the driver is actually doing stuff with the car?
 
2019-06-14 08:22:33 AM  
Ohh look, everyone wants a manual transmission! That's why this "last" manual trans Ram has been sitting on a dealer lot for 6 months.

Maybe it's because autos are faster, more reliable and get better mileage? I don't know.
 
2019-06-14 08:33:06 AM  
I learned to drive manual on a similar beast several decades ago, so I can sympathize to an extent. I'm not a fan of cowboy cadillacs though. Trucks should be utilitarian, not luxurious. The prettiest trucks are past their prime, dinged up, faded paint with patched up rust spots.
 
2019-06-14 08:33:46 AM  

You Are All Sheep: fark account name: If you bought a pick-up in the last 25 years with a manual transmission, you are over-compensating for something.

I kind of half agree, but I love driving a manual transmission.  they're fun, and they keep you 'involved' with your car, not to mention it makes driving in snow a lot easier/better, IMO coming from an area where 'lake effect snow' is a very real thing.   I wonder if all cars were manuals how much would distracted driving accidents (from phones, etc) go down because the driver is actually doing stuff with the car?


Once you get moving with a manual you don't mess with it much so I'm not sure if that would help at all.
 
2019-06-14 08:38:06 AM  

freakdiablo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Christ, that color is awful. It looks like a Mack truck and a Toyota Avalon had a bastard baby.

I'll agree that they went overboard with the chrome accents, but how is basic off-white and gray awful? In the days of neon green, yellow, and whatever the hell Subaru calls that rust orange, it's about as inoffensive as you can get...


Dodge offers that orange color too, but it's actual rust.
 
2019-06-14 08:43:20 AM  

Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: You Are All Sheep: fark account name: If you bought a pick-up in the last 25 years with a manual transmission, you are over-compensating for something.

I kind of half agree, but I love driving a manual transmission.  they're fun, and they keep you 'involved' with your car, not to mention it makes driving in snow a lot easier/better, IMO coming from an area where 'lake effect snow' is a very real thing.   I wonder if all cars were manuals how much would distracted driving accidents (from phones, etc) go down because the driver is actually doing stuff with the car?

Once you get moving with a manual you don't mess with it much so I'm not sure if that would help at all.


I doubt most accidents are happening at a constant speed, but rather at intersections, merges, stop and go fender benders, etc. I don't doubt the accident rate would go down if everyone drove a manual.
 
2019-06-14 09:01:31 AM  
Driving a manual is not a superpower. I have a manual. I bought it because it's the car I wanted, but the dealership only had a manual option available.  So I bought it.  Taught myself. If I can do it, any asshole can.
 
2019-06-14 09:04:01 AM  

OldJames: For all the things I would use that truck for, I would prefer an automatic. Mostly for hooking up to a trailer.

Yes, towing and hauling. That is why there are transmission coolers.
 
2019-06-14 09:15:07 AM  
cgraves67: The prettiest trucks are past their prime, dinged up, faded paint with patched up rust spots.

That's how I feel about women.
 
2019-06-14 09:18:27 AM  
I wasn't aware they had cured small penis syndrome.
 
2019-06-14 09:21:13 AM  

spottymax: I wasn't aware they had cured small penis syndrome.


Apparently they have, because this is the last one, and it's sitting on the lot unsold.
 
2019-06-14 09:23:33 AM  

dittybopper: cgraves67: The prettiest trucks are past their prime, dinged up, faded paint with patched up rust spots.

That's how I feel about women.


I was going to say something to that effect, but I decided to restrict my message just to old trucks.
 
2019-06-14 09:26:42 AM  
I had a patient who was a service manager at a very large truck dealer in this area.  I needed a big ole diesel truck (F-350 or equiv.) to tow equipment trailers for my farm.  I was getting his advice and the conversation went to all the asphalt cowboys who owned big diesel pickup trucks with leather seats and lots of chrome who heavily accessorized them and never seemed to haul or pull anything much less get them dirty by driving down unpaved roads.  He laughed about those guys and said several service managers at his dealership would try to gather up and observe for laughs whenever a new owner received his first oil change/service bill (at the time, ran near $150 just for oil and filter).  He said asphalt cowboys would get a little pale and sometimes biatch about it when they realized that big trucks can generate big maintenance expenses.  My truck is nearly devoid of fancy trim and associated bullshiat....we need to use it when our clothes are dirty and our boots are muddy.  Automatic transmission, though.  So far, nobody has managed to burn out the clutch.
 
2019-06-14 09:38:11 AM  

spottymax: I wasn't aware they had cured small penis syndrome.


I am surprised your doctor hasn't notified you yet.
 
2019-06-14 09:45:16 AM  
Just bought a used 2010 Nissan Frontier from one of my dad's buddies. First truck of my own and first manual transmission vehicle. I love shifting, but I can absolutely see why automatics came to dominate in the US.
 
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2019-06-14 09:53:04 AM  
For the right person that would be a great truck. But that person is probably a hotshotter, using a one-ton to haul small loads long distances, essentially as a courier for oversized things that don't meet the threshold of needing a medium-duty truck and don't need a CDL.

This person would need to be running back and forth across the country continually, justifying having a more luxurious interior for more driver comfort. They'd also need to be piling on the miles justifying the manual transmission for the greater longterm reliability.

Thing is, there are exceedingly few of these sorts of customers that could actually afford this truck. A hotshotter upgrading his truck that has a firmly established business would be the best candidate, but that sort of driver is just as likely to realize he could benefit from a heavier truck and will upgrade to something requiring a CDL.
 
2019-06-14 10:02:25 AM  

Quick and Dirty: Needs moar "No Fear" & "Calvin Peeing On Things" decals?


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2019-06-14 10:47:43 AM  
Generally these "Pick'um up trucks"  are for the poor poor farmers that can write them of as equipment expense
 
2019-06-14 12:10:14 PM  

freakdiablo: ecmoRandomNumbers: Christ, that color is awful. It looks like a Mack truck and a Toyota Avalon had a bastard baby.

I'll agree that they went overboard with the chrome accents, but how is basic off-white and gray awful? In the days of neon green, yellow, and whatever the hell Subaru calls that rust orange, it's about as inoffensive as you can get...


Because you're seeing it under cloud cover. It's not "off-white"; it's pearl. Only person who should be driving a "pearl" truck is Minnie Pearl.

How-DEEEEEEEEEE!
 
2019-06-14 12:23:12 PM  

dirkfunk: Ohh look, everyone wants a manual transmission! That's why this "last" manual trans Ram has been sitting on a dealer lot for 6 months.

Maybe it's because autos are faster, more reliable and get better mileage? I don't know.


A skilled driver can still be faster in a manual than an auto and also be more efficient than an auto. It just requires a level of skill that is rare in America. As for reliability as long as you don't have an idiot driving it the fewer working parts in a manual box will be more reliable.
 
2019-06-14 12:31:25 PM  
It is still sitting on the lot BECAUSE it's the manual.  Meaning, the Aisin Automatic transmission that is available allows the exact same engine to produce 900ft/lb torque.  The manual is de-tuned to 660ft/lb torque because the factory clutch cant handle more than that.

Manual transmission with the 3:73 rear gearing is 17,620lbs max towing weight
Aisin transmission with the 3:73 gears is 25,020 max towing weight
Aisin Transmission with the 4:10 gears is 30,320 max towing weight

For those that need/want a dually, it is a very unpopular configuration
 
2019-06-14 12:45:47 PM  

Norfolking Chance: dirkfunk: Ohh look, everyone wants a manual transmission! That's why this "last" manual trans Ram has been sitting on a dealer lot for 6 months.

Maybe it's because autos are faster, more reliable and get better mileage? I don't know.

A skilled driver can still be faster in a manual than an auto and also be more efficient than an auto. It just requires a level of skill that is rare in America. As for reliability as long as you don't have an idiot driving it the fewer working parts in a manual box will be more reliable.


That is comically false. First of all, autos are faster, literally across the board, on modern cars. It's not even close on turbo cars/trucks where the quarter mile times are generally 1-1.5 seconds faster on an automatic even with a professional driver.

Second an Allison transmission on this truck will generally be reliable for 300k miles or more. Even Toyota Tacoma manuals will be worn out by then, mostly worn synchros (whereas the jatco automatics in those trucks regularly last 300k+ miles.)

The only scenario on this particular vehicle where it would be Superior to an automatic is if you regularly (exclusively) pulled the maximum 5th wheel tow capacity cross-country. The Allison is not quite heavy enough of a trans for that and will eventually wear out a torque converter shifting on the highway.
 
2019-06-14 12:46:59 PM  

Norfolking Chance: dirkfunk: Ohh look, everyone wants a manual transmission! That's why this "last" manual trans Ram has been sitting on a dealer lot for 6 months.

Maybe it's because autos are faster, more reliable and get better mileage? I don't know.

A skilled driver can still be faster in a manual than an auto and also be more efficient than an auto. It just requires a level of skill that is rare in America. As for reliability as long as you don't have an idiot driving it the fewer working parts in a manual box will be more reliable.


No... a skilled driver can't. Perhaps with the slushboxes of old you'd get significantly better gas mileage with a manual in an average American car, but new DCT and automatic boxes are computer controlled and have a much larger gear range than the six-speed manuals that represent the higher-end of the gear range on the average consumer vehicle. Shift times and timing on a modern automatic are impossible to beat on the average with a manual, which is why they became so popular with drag racers.

As far as reliability, they can be more reliable. I know on my truck (2010 Frontier), the automatics could possibly suffer from something called the SMOD (Strawberry Milkshake of Death) where a poor seal on the automatic transmission cooler could allow coolant to mix with automatic transmission fluid, essentially trashing both the radiator and the transmission. Since ATF is almost always pink, you'd get something resembling a strawberry milkshake when you drained the transmission and cooling system.

But the problem with manuals is that they open up the possibility that the driver does something stupid. You have to really, really try to trash a properly-designed, properly-manufactured, properly-maintained automatic transmission. You just have to keep your foot on the clutch while driving and make really rough shifts to start damaging a car with a manual.
 
2019-06-14 01:01:39 PM  
I was on my way to meet the fam for a dinner reservation and had to pick up my son beforehand.  Had a about 15 minutes to get to dinner.  Run out to my car, doesn't start.  Dead battery.  I panic, call my wife who doesn't pick up or answer texts.  I see my neighbor across the street and tell him of my plight.  He offers to let me drive his little Ford.  I say "thanks!" and jump in.  Turns out it's a manual which I have not driven in years.  Thanks to many years driving a '70 VW bug and old manual Toyota, it was a breeze getting back into the stick.  Now I'm thinking my next car should be one.  Closest thing a city dweller will get to riding a horse.
 
2019-06-14 01:05:38 PM  

Gavenger: It is still sitting on the lot BECAUSE it's the manual.  Meaning, the Aisin Automatic transmission that is available allows the exact same engine to produce 900ft/lb torque.  The manual is de-tuned to 660ft/lb torque because the factory clutch cant handle more than that.

Manual transmission with the 3:73 rear gearing is 17,620lbs max towing weight
Aisin transmission with the 3:73 gears is 25,020 max towing weight
Aisin Transmission with the 4:10 gears is 30,320 max towing weight

For those that need/want a dually, it is a very unpopular configuration


Ha. I didn't know they swapped to an Aisin. The rest of my point stands, but maybe this trans doesn't have torque converter problems like the Allisons did (who knows, Aisin isn't exactly the shining star of the transmission world) . So no reason to buy a manual at all.
 
2019-06-14 03:00:37 PM  

dirkfunk: Gavenger: It is still sitting on the lot BECAUSE it's the manual.  Meaning, the Aisin Automatic transmission that is available allows the exact same engine to produce 900ft/lb torque.  The manual is de-tuned to 660ft/lb torque because the factory clutch cant handle more than that.

Manual transmission with the 3:73 rear gearing is 17,620lbs max towing weight
Aisin transmission with the 3:73 gears is 25,020 max towing weight
Aisin Transmission with the 4:10 gears is 30,320 max towing weight

For those that need/want a dually, it is a very unpopular configuration

Ha. I didn't know they swapped to an Aisin. The rest of my point stands, but maybe this trans doesn't have torque converter problems like the Allisons did (who knows, Aisin isn't exactly the shining star of the transmission world) . So no reason to buy a manual at all.


Wait, I thought Dodge never used the Allison transmission?  Each of the big 3 has its strength and weakness, and for Dodge is was always the transmission and, well, the rest of the truck except for that engine.

The ideal diesel pickup configuration was always a Cummins engine from a Dodge mated to an Allison transmission from a Chevy in a Ford chassis.
 
2019-06-14 03:56:12 PM  

tmyk: Wait, I thought Dodge never used the Allison transmission? Each of the big 3 has its strength and weakness, and for Dodge is was always the transmission and, well, the rest of the truck except for that engine.The ideal diesel pickup configuration was always a Cummins engine from a Dodge mated to an Allison transmission from a Chevy in a Ford chassis.


Never in a consumer product.  You could get the Cummins mated to an Allison in a commercial truck though, or a motorhome.  It was never an Allison 1000 (what GM uses).
 
2019-06-14 08:13:33 PM  
Haven't owned a truck for five years. Before that I always owned one. The inside and top edge of the bed was a mess. Yeah, it got used as a truck. They hauled stuff they probably shouldn't have but but they held out well. I'd like to have one now. But finances won't allow it at this time.
 
2019-06-15 04:30:43 AM  

TWX: For the right person that would be a great truck. But that person is probably a hotshotter, using a one-ton to haul small loads long distances, essentially as a courier for oversized things that don't meet the threshold of needing a medium-duty truck and don't need a CDL.

This person would need to be running back and forth across the country continually, justifying having a more luxurious interior for more driver comfort. They'd also need to be piling on the miles justifying the manual transmission for the greater longterm reliability.

Thing is, there are exceedingly few of these sorts of customers that could actually afford this truck. A hotshotter upgrading his truck that has a firmly established business would be the best candidate, but that sort of driver is just as likely to realize he could benefit from a heavier truck and will upgrade to something requiring a CDL.


I disagree with that last part. A bigger truck= far more headaches. CDL means medical certificate. A bigger truck isn't going to necessarily be better, you haul far different freight in a box truck vs a gooseneck flatbed trailer.  Maintenance becomes a huge pain. And then there's IFTA related headaches and hours of service compliance.
 
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