Like Bernie (and plenty of Farkers) said - the losing strategy for Dems is to keep talking about Trump. I mean, it worked so well in 2016, why not repeat?

Cagey B: You mean the Mueller report that documented sustained contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian government? That stated that Trump would ordinarily be prosecuted for obstruction of justice if the Trump-controlled Justice Department didn't treat the president as being above prosecution? That was grossly represented by Trump's stooge AG according to Mueller himself?


I fully expect Trump to be claiming that he's opening a new hotel as he's marched into federal prison, and on that day I also expect thousands of his followers to be awaiting their trip on the spaceship after they've finished drinking their flavor aid and putting on their matching jumpsuits.

I think we should coin a new phrase:  Russian Goalpost.  It is like normal Goalpost moving, but it happens at a much greater rate.  I thought collusion was the thing, but now it is "sustained contact".  When will Russiagate believers understand that this Russian obsession does not hurt Trump, but in fact empowers him and solidifies the hold on his base?

imauniter: hodgemann: Cagey B: You mean the Mueller report that documented sustained contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian government? That stated that Trump would ordinarily be prosecuted for obstruction of justice if the Trump-controlled Justice Department didn't treat the president as being above prosecution? That was grossly represented by Trump's stooge AG according to Mueller himself?


I fully expect Trump to be claiming that he's opening a new hotel as he's marched into federal prison, and on that day I also expect thousands of his followers to be awaiting their trip on the spaceship after they've finished drinking their flavor aid and putting on their matching jumpsuits.

I think we should coin a new phrase:  Russian Goalpost.  It is like normal Goalpost moving, but it happens at a much greater rate.  I thought collusion was the thing, but now it is "sustained contact".  When will Russiagate believers understand that this Russian obsession does not hurt Trump, but in fact empowers him and solidifies the hold on his base?

You thought collusion was the thing?
Wonder who beat that word into your head.

It certainly couldn't have been the Democratic Party or their aligned media.  I'm thinking interstellar asteroid.

Sin'sHero: Weatherkiss: If Trump wins a second term it'll be because Democrats didn't get the message that was sent to them in 2016.

Was the message telling the Democrats to get off the fence?

Which fence are you referring to?

shastacola: So if we keep pointing out that the POTUS is a criminal, the people will vote for him?  How quickly we've fallen if that's true. Either this country follows the law or it doesn't matter anyway. Full speed ahead and fark the band wringers.

The problem comes in when candidates try to make the election about Trump and then spend way too much time saying the word "Trump" over and over.  If a candidate talks about the problems in this country and genuinely offers solutions she will have a better time at the polls than her Trump mentioning competition.  Trump is a symptom of a sick system in need of attention.

Trump's campaign saw Bernie gain a lot of supporters very quickly and they took notes.  Trump started using populist language in an attempt to lure people who are disaffected by the system.  He added those numbers to the already weird coalition of the Republican Party: Anti-Abortionists, pro-gun nuts, 1%ers, Religious extremists, (and I'm sure I'm forgetting some).  The Republican Party's hold on this new faction of their coalition, the people who want to see systemic change, is not set in stone and can be taken away, by a politician who genuinely also wants to see systemic change.

LordJiro: hodgemann: Cagey B: You mean the Mueller report that documented sustained contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian government? That stated that Trump would ordinarily be prosecuted for obstruction of justice if the Trump-controlled Justice Department didn't treat the president as being above prosecution? That was grossly represented by Trump's stooge AG according to Mueller himself?


I fully expect Trump to be claiming that he's opening a new hotel as he's marched into federal prison, and on that day I also expect thousands of his followers to be awaiting their trip on the spaceship after they've finished drinking their flavor aid and putting on their matching jumpsuits.

I think we should coin a new phrase:  Russian Goalpost.  It is like normal Goalpost moving, but it happens at a much greater rate.  I thought collusion was the thing, but now it is "sustained contact".  When will Russiagate believers understand that this Russian obsession does not hurt Trump, but in fact empowers him and solidifies the hold on his base?

The Mueller report showed that the Trump campaign had sustained contact with the Russian government while said government was interfering with the United States elections explicitly to try and get Trump elected. What, pray tell, would you call that?

Much ado about nothing.  A drop in the bucket.  Inconsequential.

flond: hodgemann: imauniter: hodgemann: Cagey B: You mean the Mueller report that documented sustained contact between the Trump campaign and the Russian government? That stated that Trump would ordinarily be prosecuted for obstruction of justice if the Trump-controlled Justice Department didn't treat the president as being above prosecution? That was grossly represented by Trump's stooge AG according to Mueller himself?


I fully expect Trump to be claiming that he's opening a new hotel as he's marched into federal prison, and on that day I also expect thousands of his followers to be awaiting their trip on the spaceship after they've finished drinking their flavor aid and putting on their matching jumpsuits.

I think we should coin a new phrase:  Russian Goalpost.  It is like normal Goalpost moving, but it happens at a much greater rate.  I thought collusion was the thing, but now it is "sustained contact".  When will Russiagate believers understand that this Russian obsession does not hurt Trump, but in fact empowers him and solidifies the hold on his base?

You thought collusion was the thing?
Wonder who beat that word into your head.

It certainly couldn't have been the Democratic Party or their aligned media.  I'm thinking interstellar asteroid.

How does it feel being on the same side as Ollie North?

North landed on this planet from an interstellar asteroid?  Fascinating stuff.

Mr.Insightful: Weatherkiss: Mr.Insightful: Weatherkiss: If Trump wins a second term it'll be because Democrats didn't get the message that was sent to them in 2016.

What message is that?  Ohhhh!  Of course!
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Your insistence that it's Republican vulgarity leads me to believe that you did not get the message, either.


I was actually going for humor and light mockery, you know standard FARK fare upvoted as Funny. This is actually the reason for my name. Every time I try to make an joke on slashdot, people to mark me as "Insightful".

But yes, you're absolutely 100% right. I didn't get whatever of a dozen different "messages" it could be that you pretend to yourself that the voters were sending. Indeed, the only real message that Democrats have clearly taken to heart is "don't patronize tantrum-throwing kook wankers -- it loses you more votes that it gains".

Left vs Centrist isn't the real divide in the party. It's grownup vs screamers.

Problem comes in when both sides think they are the grownups.  It very well could be that we are all grownups, but we just disagree.