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(CNN)   Billionaire endorses 12-hour workdays, six days per week for workers because time is his money   (cnn.com) divider line
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1533 clicks; posted to Business » on 16 Apr 2019 at 5:35 AM (4 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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4 days ago  
Such a magnificent increase in productivity that one might call it a great leap forward!
 
4 days ago  
The fact that I just read a news article that quoted "Weibo user stupidcan123" as the first rejoinder to this viewpoint makes me think that they should just get it over with and work us all to death so that we'll be spared the impending idiocracy.
 
4 days ago  
Boss Baby is kind of a dick.

/honestly thought that pic was shopped.
 
4 days ago  
Permanent Most Favoured Trading Partner.

You want to know what the majority of US CEOs aspire to?  This is it.  We only have ourselves to blame for enabling and encouraging this.  But hey!  Cheap shiat at Walmart so it's all good.
 
4 days ago  
Jack Ma has a very odd shaped head.
 
4 days ago  
Just a matter of time until this concept starts getting heavily pushed in the U.S. Remember: what's good for the Shareholders (praise be unto them) is good for the country, and you slaving away for 12 hours a day is very, very good for the Shareholders (praise be unto them). Work-life balance is for pussies.
 
4 days ago  
I hate this idea almost as much as I hate the autoplay video people.
 
4 days ago  
This is what exploitative work places sound like.  Governments can easily stop this by erasing that none sense about salary means no over time pay.  I think the US was even close to doing that just a little while ago, but then the asshole ferengis made the solution disappear.

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4 days ago  
"Peones should know their place, and embrace it."

It's an inspiring message. Be one of the "Good Ones" and you too fill find fulfillment in being a cog in a great machine of commerce that will never have any other place for you, and once you break, you will be replaced.

This really is the dumbest of timelines...
 
kab
4 days ago  
FTA:  "The real 996 is not simply overtime work," he said, adding that everyone has the right to choose their own lifestyle but those who work shorter hours "won't taste the happiness and rewards of hard work."

I've done this.  There arent any.
 
4 days ago  
Yes, you probably need to work that hard or more to become a billionaire the respectable way (i.e., not Trumped into it).

However, that ultimately should be considered an edge case, not a serious credo for the masses to live by.  The masses in general should be able to work a solid 40-hour week and support a family comfortably. If your economy can't make this possible then you have failed as a first-world nation, especially if it somehow still makes billionaires possible.
 
4 days ago  
Spent 27 years working myself to death thinking I was getting ahead.  But really I was just missing life.

Now I tell my kids that they should find something they like doing that pays the bills, live near where they play and spend more time outdoors with friends.

Only person benefitting from your extra hard work is your boss.
 
4 days ago  
Work hard, for sure. And do your best. For your own benefit. If you're not getting amything back for your efforts you're being taken advantage of.
 
4 days ago  
Yeah you filthy peasants. Work like a slave for your entire life only to rest when you're too old to enjoy any of it.
 
4 days ago  
so pretty much the standard hours a retail store manager works, heck less during the christmas season
 
4 days ago  
It's not a surprising attitude in someone who came from where he did and has attained what he has. I have no doubt he worked every bit as hard himself on his way up. Probably still does; somebody that driven isn't likely to turn it off just because he's attained some arbitrary level of success.
 
4 days ago  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Just a matter of time until this concept starts getting heavily pushed in the U.S. Remember: what's good for the Shareholders (praise be unto them) is good for the country, and you slaving away for 12 hours a day is very, very good for the Shareholders (praise be unto them). Work-life balance is for pussies.


that policy has been in place in the USA for decades.  It's called "salaried white collar non-CEO job"
the advent of smartphones made it requisite condition of employment.  Sure, you're not in the office, but you damn well better be available and instantly respond to an email at 730 pm Saturday night from the boss-man.
 
4 days ago  
I'm currently working my ass off for my giant multinational corporate overlords for a promised "big bonus" when all the work is done.   So. I'll find out in June if I'm staying with the company or not.  If their bonus is insulting, I'm out.

Typically.  Good work is my reward, while cash is my bosses reward.
 
4 days ago  
Jesus christ thats one ugly dude.

Garbage inside, garbage out. Head like a goddamned turnip.
 
4 days ago  
'Murica.
 
4 days ago  
I've worked for a large Chinese company before.  Office culture - half the folks are sipping tea and playing games on their phone, or taking naps (the nice thing - maybe the only nice thing about Chinese office culture, is bosses don't give a shiat about cat naps).  Not to say things don't get done, they do, but it's different.
 
4 days ago  

stuhayes2010: I'm currently working my ass off for my giant multinational corporate overlords for a promised "big bonus" when all the work is done.   So. I'll find out in June if I'm staying with the company or not.  If their bonus is insulting, I'm out.

Typically.  Good work is my reward, while cash is my bosses reward.


get that "promise" in writing next time.
 
4 days ago  
When I worked construction we'd often end up working 10 to 12 hours a day to make up for bad weather etc. After a number of years of this I found that productivity after 10 hours drops to almost nothing. Every single job was like that. During an eight hour day productivity was normal, for the first two hours of overtime productivity dropped a bit and after ten hours it was not even worth having anyone on the job anymore.

Five day weeks worked OK and working the occasional Saturday was also OK but that sixth day didn't have the same productivity of any of the first five. And Sunday? It was pretty much a wash, you'd get maybe 2 or 3 honest hours of work out of the crew. Do six days a week for two months and productivity dropped again. Do seven days a week for a few months and you burned out.

Probably the best schedule I worked was four tens starting on Monday. Doing shift work, where your weekend is something like Monday and Tuesday or Thursday and Friday, doesn't really work too well. It isn't bad but it doesn't sync up with your friends schedules so you're always feeling you're missing something.

Working second or third shifts only works for some people. Second shift means you wake up in the morning like usual and spend your day waiting to go to work. Third shift requires you to follow that routine on the weekends or Monday will kill you. Shift diff pay is nice though.

I've worked all of the above so they're from MY experience. There are always exceptions but I think you'll find over time that what I've written is pretty accurate for most folks.

Jack is an imbecile. Rich but still stupid. He's just doing this out of greed and ignorance. Also possible that he's sadistic or suffering from 'little man' syndrome. I'd need to meet him to know for sure.
 
4 days ago  

stuhayes2010: I'm currently working my ass off for my giant multinational corporate overlords for a promised "big bonus" when all the work is done.   So. I'll find out in June if I'm staying with the company or not.  If their bonus is insulting, I'm out.

Typically.  Good work is my reward, while cash is my bosses reward.


Under our old CEO, who seemed to think that employees were a necessary annoyance for making money, we got either no bonus or a meager one. The company was having lean times, so it was understandable. The problem is that the executives, who were on a different bonus plan, and presumably still got them.  I disliked the guy with the heat of a thousand suns and I was not at all unique in this. 

The new CEO is the complete opposite.  The CEO has demonstrated that they value employees and have created a good work environment. We now have a good bonus plan that applies to all employees, from the CEO on down.
 
4 days ago  
Personally, I'm for the 834 plan.  Seems reasonable.  Plenty of time to get work done, solid hours.  Oh, and people get to live their farking lives and not work every waking moment of their adult life.  Read a book or two.  Develop a hobby.  Spend time with other members of the human race occasionally.

Pensions are gone, as is the concept of retirement for most people.  If we're not going to get ~20 years to enjoy life at the end, then we're taking it now thank you.
 
4 days ago  

Khellendros: Personally, I'm for the 834 plan.  Seems reasonable.  Plenty of time to get work done, solid hours.  Oh, and people get to live their farking lives and not work every waking moment of their adult life.  Read a book or two.  Develop a hobby.  Spend time with other members of the human race occasionally.

Pensions are gone, as is the concept of retirement for most people.  If we're not going to get ~20 years to enjoy life at the end, then we're taking it now thank you.


If you combine that with an actual living wage for those hours, then you have millions more people with both disposable income and plenty of daylight to spend it.  Even a 734 would be a drastic improvement to what we have now.
 
4 days ago  
Pay me what you pocket and I'll work your hours. Bonus: I'll probably equal your performance.
 
4 days ago  
China has labor laws that forbid this. The laborers don't know about them and he is happy to exploit this.
 
4 days ago  

Nadie_AZ: China has labor laws that forbid this. The laborers don't know about them and he is happy to exploit this.


Surprised that the workers don't all get together and form a party, one just for the workers. A workers party and then march down and imprison those evil bosses.
 
4 days ago  

Leader O'Cola: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Just a matter of time until this concept starts getting heavily pushed in the U.S. Remember: what's good for the Shareholders (praise be unto them) is good for the country, and you slaving away for 12 hours a day is very, very good for the Shareholders (praise be unto them). Work-life balance is for pussies.

that policy has been in place in the USA for decades.  It's called "salaried white collar non-CEO job"
the advent of smartphones made it requisite condition of employment.  Sure, you're not in the office, but you damn well better be available and instantly respond to an email at 730 pm Saturday night from the boss-man.


Or your team member in Mumbai or Tokyo.
 
4 days ago  

Khellendros: Personally, I'm for the 834 plan.  Seems reasonable.  Plenty of time to get work done, solid hours.

I'll bite. What is 834 plan?

I work a 9/80 schedule; 9 days to put in 80 hours over two weeks, meaning you get every other Friday off.
 
4 days ago  

SPARC Pile: Khellendros: Personally, I'm for the 834 plan.  Seems reasonable.  Plenty of time to get work done, solid hours.
I'll bite. What is 834 plan?

I work a 9/80 schedule; 9 days to put in 80 hours over two weeks, meaning you get every other Friday off.


TFA quotes a 996, which is 9am to 9pm six days a week. So presumably 834 is 8am to 3pm four days a week.
 
4 days ago  
That's nice.  I endorse turning this asshole into Dog Food.
 
4 days ago  
Getting to work at 9am?  Bunch of slackers.  796
 
4 days ago  

kab: FTA:  "The real 996 is not simply overtime work," he said, adding that everyone has the right to choose their own lifestyle but those who work shorter hours "won't taste the happiness and rewards of hard work."

I've done this.  There arent any.


All hard work ever gets me is harder work for the same pay.
 
4 days ago  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Nadie_AZ: China has labor laws that forbid this. The laborers don't know about them and he is happy to exploit this.

Surprised that the workers don't all get together and form a party, one just for the workers. A workers party and then march down and imprison those evil bosses.


Nah. The communist government would never allow it.
 
4 days ago  

goodncold: Spent 27 years working myself to death thinking I was getting ahead.  But really I was just missing life.

Now I tell my kids that they should find something they like doing that pays the bills, live near where they play and spend more time outdoors with friends.

Only person benefitting from your extra hard work is your boss.


I'm constantly reminding my new hires that if they're working more than 40 hours in a week they're not doing their jobs right.
 
4 days ago  
Yeah, work harder so I can spend more time in my fantasy world...

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4 days ago  

Some Bass Playing Guy: stuhayes2010: I'm currently working my ass off for my giant multinational corporate overlords for a promised "big bonus" when all the work is done.   So. I'll find out in June if I'm staying with the company or not.  If their bonus is insulting, I'm out.

Typically.  Good work is my reward, while cash is my bosses reward.

Under our old CEO, who seemed to think that employees were a necessary annoyance for making money, we got either no bonus or a meager one. The company was having lean times, so it was understandable. The problem is that the executives, who were on a different bonus plan, and presumably still got them.  I disliked the guy with the heat of a thousand suns and I was not at all unique in this. 

The new CEO is the complete opposite.  The CEO has demonstrated that they value employees and have created a good work environment. We now have a good bonus plan that applies to all employees, from the CEO on down.


What company, if you don't mind me asking?
 
4 days ago  
Hard work in and of itself may get you somewhere.... may get you.
What some people don't or won't recognize/acknowledge is how much of a factor luck (catch all for being in the right at the right time, someone just liked you, you had an easy schedule and ended up with a great showing, you had the winning ticket, you had someone on the inside... etc) can play in a career.
I have yet to see a situation where straight up hard work was the sole factor in a person's success. It may have been a large part of it, but that little extra push to get to the next level is sometimes over looked.

Example from my personal life; I was at a contract position that was ending and interviewed for a full-time position at what people were telling me was a great company. I didn't get the job at first but people kept telling me to apply to other positions. I get a call back from HR at this great company to interview again. The guy they originally hired lasted about 3 hours, said he had a family emergency and couldn't take the job. (Probably had another offer elsewhere but didn't want to completely burn his bridges.) I got the job and had no lag between the old and new positions.

/CSB
 
4 days ago  
As long as I make my 36 hours a week nobody really cares about when I arrive and when I leave.
 
3 days ago  
Seriously, you just can't replace the sensation of being the Slave Master.

So ready for all of it to burn.
 
3 days ago  
Upon due consideration, I have revised my opinion.

I would like to sentence this jackwagon to spend the rest of life as a farmer, with minimal mechanization - say about 1930's - 1940's level.  About what I had available when I was growing up.  Just him, his wife, and his kids, no hired hands, and whatever they can produce, that's what they have to live on.
 
3 days ago  

stuhayes2010: I'm currently working my ass off for my giant multinational corporate overlords for a promised "big bonus" when all the work is done.   So. I'll find out in June if I'm staying with the company or not.  If their bonus is insulting, I'm out.

Typically.  Good work is my reward, while cash is my bosses reward.


Unfortunately the last quarter's profits were below expectations so we are not able to offer any bonuses at this time but we can promise that in the future you'll all be given extra consideration.
 
3 days ago  

goodncold: Only person benefitting from your extra hard work is your boss.


Not if you're your own boss! Then NO ONE is benefiting from your hard work!
/Usually self-employed
//Currently not self employed and refuse to work more than 40 hours a week unless it's on fun projects I chose and manage
///Still not sure which is better
 
3 days ago  

standardeviation: I'm constantly reminding my new hires that if they're working more than 40 hours in a week they're not doing their jobs right.


This right here. I am executive in charge of one of our corporate functions (marketing). I constantly battle with the other execs about hours worked. But ultimately, if you have to put in more than 40-45 hours per week and regularly work weekends, it's because either you're bad at your job, or your boss is bad at his. The only time you should be putting in more than 45 hours is because either you're working on a passion project and want to, or because something has gone horribly horribly wrong (as an example, i basically block off an extra 48 hours to any week that includes a major rebranding, campaign launch, event, or website redesign, because something WILL go horribly wrong).
 
3 days ago  
And now, meet our next "Best Trump Impersantor In China" contestant: Jack Ma

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3 days ago  

Interceptor1: When I worked construction we'd often end up working 10 to 12 hours a day to make up for bad weather etc. After a number of years of this I found that productivity after 10 hours drops to almost nothing. Every single job was like that. During an eight hour day productivity was normal, for the first two hours of overtime productivity dropped a bit and after ten hours it was not even worth having anyone on the job anymore.

Five day weeks worked OK and working the occasional Saturday was also OK but that sixth day didn't have the same productivity of any of the first five. And Sunday? It was pretty much a wash, you'd get maybe 2 or 3 honest hours of work out of the crew. Do six days a week for two months and productivity dropped again. Do seven days a week for a few months and you burned out.

Probably the best schedule I worked was four tens starting on Monday. Doing shift work, where your weekend is something like Monday and Tuesday or Thursday and Friday, doesn't really work too well. It isn't bad but it doesn't sync up with your friends schedules so you're always feeling you're missing something.

Working second or third shifts only works for some people. Second shift means you wake up in the morning like usual and spend your day waiting to go to work. Third shift requires you to follow that routine on the weekends or Monday will kill you. Shift diff pay is nice though.

I've worked all of the above so they're from MY experience. There are always exceptions but I think you'll find over time that what I've written is pretty accurate for most folks.

Jack is an imbecile. Rich but still stupid. He's just doing this out of greed and ignorance. Also possible that he's sadistic or suffering from 'little man' syndrome. I'd need to meet him to know for sure.


Four 10s was my favorite schedule too, provided I had at least two consecutive days off. It was nice having a free weekday so I could run errands, though the flip side was a lot of pressure from the company to schedule all my appointments on that free day. That sucked when I needed surgery and had multiple appointments, like diagnostic tests or consults, and my free weekday was the one day the surgeon didn't take appointments (he was the on-call trauma surgeon for the two hospitals in town that day).
 
3 days ago  

Psylence: Jesus christ thats one ugly dude.

Garbage inside, garbage out. Head like a goddamned turnip.


He looks like a 60s Bond villain, but without any of the class or sophistication.
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