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2019-04-16 12:12:48 AM  
What's with all these church fires? I thought they caught the guy.
 
2019-04-16 12:22:54 AM  
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2019-04-16 12:30:56 AM  
Gonna take a lot more than 6 million dollars this time.
 
2019-04-16 12:31:27 AM  
They should rebuild it as an atheist monument, right Fark???

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2019-04-16 12:32:09 AM  
With 50% now kiddie diddling too!
 
2019-04-16 12:33:34 AM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: They should rebuild it as an atheist monument, right Fark???

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Oh man sick burn

haha get it "burn"?
 
2019-04-16 12:33:40 AM  
Maybe a sprinkler system this time.
 
2019-04-16 12:34:02 AM  
Or Flying Water Tankers.
 
2019-04-16 12:35:51 AM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: They should rebuild it as an atheist monument, right Fark???

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You know, they kind of did that during the French Revolution, until Napoleon gave it back to the Catholic Chruch.
 
2019-04-16 12:37:35 AM  

ChrisDe: Or Flying Water Tankers.


He's pissed me off before, but this one really farking pissed me off..  Of all farking times to not pretend to be smarter, or act like you know better than trained professionals and just offer your sympathy and support, this was the farking one.  Yet nope, this farking moron just couldn't help himself..  One of the biggest and dumbest assholes on the planet...
 
2019-04-16 12:40:26 AM  
So after just wrapping up an embittered fight with the vests, he is going to push through the tax again and say it is for rebuilding Notre Dame? I'd love to see what those costs look like and such a significant historic build would take.
 
2019-04-16 12:41:01 AM  

CantConfirmOrDeny: Gonna take a lot more than 6 million dollars this time.


The corporate and/or billionaire sponsorship on this will make the IOC look like Troop 409 selling Thin Mints.
 
2019-04-16 12:43:42 AM  
Please let them hire Foster and Associates for the rebuild...
 
2019-04-16 12:49:35 AM  
Daylight is breaking..

Seriously.. The people who put together that scaffolding are amazing.. There is very clear massive damage to it from collapses, it was exposed to a massive fire for hours, sudden and drastic temp variations from fire and water battles.. And it's still standing..

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2019-04-16 12:49:54 AM  

Name_Omitted: Please let them hire Foster and Associates for the rebuild...


Have you ever seen the Notre Dame on acid?
 
2019-04-16 12:52:38 AM  

Thong_of_Zardoz: They should rebuild it as an atheist monument, right Fark???

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Do you not know history? The Frenchies already did that back in the day. Go look up the "Cult of Reason".
 
2019-04-16 12:53:38 AM  
Rebuild? Hopefully not out of wood again. Building codes have changed a bit in 800 years. lol
 
2019-04-16 12:53:52 AM  

styckx: Daylight is breaking..

Seriously.. The people who put together that scaffolding are amazing.. There is very clear massive damage to it from collapses, it was exposed to a massive fire for hours, sudden and drastic temp variations from fire and water battles.. And it's still standing..

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So fire can't melt steel beams? I knew it!
 
2019-04-16 12:58:57 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Rebuild? Hopefully not out of wood again. Building codes have changed a bit in 800 years. lol


The last one was made from straw.  The next will be brick.
 
2019-04-16 01:12:44 AM  
Oh, look. A GOOD response to a national tragedy.
 
2019-04-16 01:20:08 AM  

ChrisDe: styckx: Daylight is breaking..

Seriously.. The people who put together that scaffolding are amazing.. There is very clear massive damage to it from collapses, it was exposed to a massive fire for hours, sudden and drastic temp variations from fire and water battles.. And it's still standing..

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So fire can't melt steel beams? I knew it!


I never understood that particular argument for 9/11 being an inside job.  'Durrr jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel beams'.  It doesn't have to melt them, just weaken them and gravity does the rest.
 
2019-04-16 01:24:17 AM  

Sid_6.7: What's with all these church fires? I thought they caught the guy.


There was also a fire at the al-Asqa Mosque yesterday. Better stories at the two links below the Newsweek one. Fark will not let the links highlight, although I do not know why.

https://www.newsweek.com/notre-dame-f​i​re-aqsa-mosque-1397259

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201​904161074167005-Blaze-Erupts-Jerusalem​s-Historic-al-Aqsa-Mosque/

https://www.rt.com/news/456655-al-aqsa​-mosque-jerusalem-fire/
 
2019-04-16 01:26:29 AM  
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2019-04-16 01:30:34 AM  

styckx: Daylight is breaking..

Seriously.. The people who put together that scaffolding are amazing.. There is very clear massive damage to it from collapses, it was exposed to a massive fire for hours, sudden and drastic temp variations from fire and water battles.. And it's still standing..

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Notre Dame II: Electric Bugaloo will be made from scaffolding.
 
2019-04-16 01:32:29 AM  

the money is in the banana stand: So after just wrapping up an embittered fight with the vests, he is going to push through the tax again and say it is for rebuilding Notre Dame? I'd love to see what those costs look like and such a significant historic build would take.


My guess is they will have no problem raising money without raising taxes.  François-Henri Pinault has pledged €100 million to help rebuild.
 
2019-04-16 01:39:47 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Rebuild? Hopefully not out of wood again. Building codes have changed a bit in 800 years. lol


Try selling that to the  Grenfell Tower victims' ancestors who died two years ago.
 
2019-04-16 01:43:03 AM  
Yeah right, that's illegal in France.  Good luck with that.
 
2019-04-16 01:45:16 AM  

Neondistraction: ChrisDe: styckx: Daylight is breaking..

Seriously.. The people who put together that scaffolding are amazing.. There is very clear massive damage to it from collapses, it was exposed to a massive fire for hours, sudden and drastic temp variations from fire and water battles.. And it's still standing..

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So fire can't melt steel beams? I knew it!

I never understood that particular argument for 9/11 being an inside job.  'Durrr jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel beams'.  It doesn't have to melt them, just weaken them and gravity does the rest.


I never understood any of them to be honest.. From "puffs of smoke" to "how as the lobby damaged from a plane 84 floors above it"..   It was all by people who have no clue how skyscrapers are built.. They are essentially giant chimneys/shafts with shiat built around them.. Those various approaches how this is done, it's essentially the same..  Then add gravity....

A great modern example is the Comcast Technology Center as it's construction was heavily photographed and documented

Center core containing all the elevators and stairs... A perfect drainage ditch for jet fuel...  It's not hard to see from a picture like this how the planes brought down the WTC.. This is actually scary to see how much of a skyscraper is actually holding the entire structure up.

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Once all the "shiat" is added on the core.. It looks like a massive solid structure from top to bottom and side to side.. When in reality.. The core is the only thing holding it up. (center building with the white lit up mast)

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2019-04-16 01:48:57 AM  

Sean VasDeferens: Yeah right, that's illegal in France.  Good luck with that.


I'm curious about that...  Isn't France one of the most aggressive separation of church and state countries out there?

I mean, it seems like it would be political and social suicide to even suggest the notion of the government not supporting the rebuild, but I'll be curious to see if any significant resistance to it pops up.
 
2019-04-16 01:49:36 AM  

Neondistraction: ChrisDe: styckx: Daylight is breaking..

Seriously.. The people who put together that scaffolding are amazing.. There is very clear massive damage to it from collapses, it was exposed to a massive fire for hours, sudden and drastic temp variations from fire and water battles.. And it's still standing..

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So fire can't melt steel beams? I knew it!

I never understood that particular argument for 9/11 being an inside job.  'Durrr jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel beams'.  It doesn't have to melt them, just weaken them and gravity does the rest.


Now those Truthers are in control of the DNC, fun times.
 
2019-04-16 01:50:14 AM  

styckx: Daylight is breaking..

Seriously.. The people who put together that scaffolding are amazing.. There is very clear massive damage to it from collapses, it was exposed to a massive fire for hours, sudden and drastic temp variations from fire and water battles.. And it's still standing..

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Doozers don't fraggle around.
 
2019-04-16 01:52:42 AM  

styckx: Neondistraction: ChrisDe: styckx: Daylight is breaking..

Seriously.. The people who put together that scaffolding are amazing.. There is very clear massive damage to it from collapses, it was exposed to a massive fire for hours, sudden and drastic temp variations from fire and water battles.. And it's still standing..

[img.fark.net image 772x552]

So fire can't melt steel beams? I knew it!

I never understood that particular argument for 9/11 being an inside job.  'Durrr jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel beams'.  It doesn't have to melt them, just weaken them and gravity does the rest.

I never understood any of them to be honest.. From "puffs of smoke" to "how as the lobby damaged from a plane 84 floors above it"..   It was all by people who have no clue how skyscrapers are built.. They are essentially giant chimneys/shafts with shiat built around them.. Those various approaches how this is done, it's essentially the same..  Then add gravity....

A great modern example is the Comcast Technology Center as it's construction was heavily photographed and documented

Center core containing all the elevators and stairs... A perfect drainage ditch for jet fuel...  It's not hard to see from a picture like this how the planes brought down the WTC.. This is actually scary to see how much of a skyscraper is actually holding the entire structure up.

[img.fark.net image 648x1152]

Once all the "shiat" is added on the core.. It looks like a massive solid structure from top to bottom and side to side.. When in reality.. The core is the only thing holding it up. (center building with the white lit up mast)

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The WTC was also different than most skyscraper construction. It had that core, but otherwise the rest of the weight was supported by the outer walls. The floors were on a truss between the outer wall and inner core.

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So it didn't take a lot of heat for those trussed to start warping/sagging and disconnect from the core or the box column.
 
2019-04-16 02:00:04 AM  

JonBuck: styckx: Neondistraction: ChrisDe: styckx: Daylight is breaking..

Seriously.. The people who put together that scaffolding are amazing.. There is very clear massive damage to it from collapses, it was exposed to a massive fire for hours, sudden and drastic temp variations from fire and water battles.. And it's still standing..

[img.fark.net image 772x552]

So fire can't melt steel beams? I knew it!

I never understood that particular argument for 9/11 being an inside job.  'Durrr jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt the steel beams'.  It doesn't have to melt them, just weaken them and gravity does the rest.

I never understood any of them to be honest.. From "puffs of smoke" to "how as the lobby damaged from a plane 84 floors above it"..   It was all by people who have no clue how skyscrapers are built.. They are essentially giant chimneys/shafts with shiat built around them.. Those various approaches how this is done, it's essentially the same..  Then add gravity....

A great modern example is the Comcast Technology Center as it's construction was heavily photographed and documented

Center core containing all the elevators and stairs... A perfect drainage ditch for jet fuel...  It's not hard to see from a picture like this how the planes brought down the WTC.. This is actually scary to see how much of a skyscraper is actually holding the entire structure up.

[img.fark.net image 648x1152]

Once all the "shiat" is added on the core.. It looks like a massive solid structure from top to bottom and side to side.. When in reality.. The core is the only thing holding it up. (center building with the white lit up mast)

[img.fark.net image 850x821]

The WTC was also different than most skyscraper construction. It had that core, but otherwise the rest of the weight was supported by the outer walls. The floors were on a truss between the outer wall and inner core.

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I know, but there was conspiracies how the lobby was damaged before the collapse. I was trying to show, especially in the first photo how little there really is to these buildings.. They make look like massive immovable objects but are little more than upright tunnel, and a very delicate design of beams.. It always anger me how people did not understand how a plane flying into the side of once of these loaded with fuel could compromise the entire structure.
 
2019-04-16 02:02:42 AM  
Pretty sure it only gives a boost to Faith in Civilisation.
 
2019-04-16 02:06:08 AM  
Dry, tight grained, 800 year old wood untreated from old growth forests? I'm surprised the sh*t didn't just explode when the fire hit it.
The new windows alone will take decades... good luck, french people.
 
2019-04-16 02:09:25 AM  
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Parish Church of Santa Monica, Spain

Make it super modern.. enough of that old stuffy design.

Get Banksy to do the ceilings.
 
2019-04-16 02:18:32 AM  

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Parish Church of Santa Monica, Spain

Make it super modern.. enough of that old stuffy design.

Get Banksy to do the ceilings.


What a hideous structure.
 
2019-04-16 02:35:08 AM  

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Parish Church of Santa Monica, Spain

Make it super modern.. enough of that old stuffy design.

Get Banksy to do the ceilings.


I drew up similar designs when I was in fifth grade.
 
2019-04-16 02:44:17 AM  
Gonna run into the billions and take a decade to rebuild.
 
2019-04-16 03:09:08 AM  

eclecticman666: Gonna run into the billions and take a decade to rebuild.


I just read somewhere that the billionaire François-Henri Pinault (Salma Hayek's husband) has pledged $100,000,000.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/​m​agazines/panache/notre-dame-fire-billi​onaire-francois-henri-pinault-pledges-​100-mn-euros-to-help-rebuild-historic-​cathedral/articleshow/68898708.cms
 
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2019-04-16 03:38:22 AM  

bratface: eclecticman666: Gonna run into the billions and take a decade to rebuild.

I just read somewhere that the billionaire François-Henri Pinault (Salma Hayek's husband) has pledged $100,000,000.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/m​agazines/panache/notre-dame-fire-billi​onaire-francois-henri-pinault-pledges-​100-mn-euros-to-help-rebuild-historic-​cathedral/articleshow/68898708.cms


And gets a free bench up front! That's a deal!
 
2019-04-16 03:46:08 AM  

bratface: eclecticman666: Gonna run into the billions and take a decade to rebuild.

I just read somewhere that the billionaire François-Henri Pinault (Salma Hayek's husband) has pledged $100,000,000.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/m​agazines/panache/notre-dame-fire-billi​onaire-francois-henri-pinault-pledges-​100-mn-euros-to-help-rebuild-historic-​cathedral/articleshow/68898708.cms


More than that: $ 113,097,700.75 USD at today's exchange. That's $113 MM, which buys a lot of stained glass.
 
2019-04-16 03:57:44 AM  

eclecticman666: Gonna run into the billions and take a decade to rebuild.


It's not going to cost that much, but it'll probably take longer than that.  In WWI, Reims Cathedral had similar, and probably worse, damage done to it after it was shelled by the Germans and caught fire.  It took about 20 years before it reopened and some reconstruction might still be ongoing.  The big issue with these things is how few people there are to handle some of the more specialized tasks.

And just in case anyone is wondering, the roof at Reims was rebuilt with a metal framework because of possible fire risks so Notre-Dame will almost certainly as well.
 
2019-04-16 04:05:01 AM  
I'm nowhere near pious, but nobody of more faith than me has yet to explain what Jesus would want with a palace in the first place.

I get this way inside cathedrals. I just get the hunch that if He showed up at Norte Dame or the Vatican or St. Patrick's, the ostentation would disgust Him.

Spending billions on a rebuild, even more so.
 
2019-04-16 04:23:44 AM  
Has anyone asked Les Gilets Jaunes about a rebuild? Good luck getting them in board.
 
2019-04-16 04:35:50 AM  

Gulper Eel: I'm nowhere near pious, but nobody of more faith than me has yet to explain what Jesus would want with a palace in the first place.

I get this way inside cathedrals. I just get the hunch that if He showed up at Norte Dame or the Vatican or St. Patrick's, the ostentation would disgust Him.

Spending billions on a rebuild, even more so.


It's why my religion mostly uses forests and beaches.

She don't go into all that "give me money, respect, fear and power" stuff.
 
2019-04-16 05:21:22 AM  

Langdon_777: Gulper Eel: I'm nowhere near pious, but nobody of more faith than me has yet to explain what Jesus would want with a palace in the first place.

I get this way inside cathedrals. I just get the hunch that if He showed up at Norte Dame or the Vatican or St. Patrick's, the ostentation would disgust Him.

Spending billions on a rebuild, even more so.

It's why my religion mostly uses forests and beaches.

She don't go into all that "give me money, respect, fear and power" stuff.


In all fairness to Jesus it's not his fault most of his followers are dumbasses that have completely missed the point of his message.
 
2019-04-16 05:22:26 AM  
I can't wait for the highly publicized donations to start rolling through, off the back of the $100m pledge.  I will not be shocked if there is utter silence from a certain organization that covers everything in opulence.
 
2019-04-16 05:38:54 AM  
So, I'm not sure that I'm getting his meaning correct here. Is it the official position of the government of France -  the Catholic Church has no money of it's own and must rely on public funding for a rebuild project?
 
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