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2019-04-15 05:34:05 PM  
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2019-04-15 05:47:39 PM  
It stands to reason that if you suck at the job bad enough that even your own party runs against you, you're going down.
 
2019-04-15 05:49:57 PM  
Best thing would be for no one else to jump in and for Weld to keep running ads like the one on his page.
Make Trump attack him and don't respond.

That is a lesson for the Dems in the general as well.
 
2019-04-15 05:58:54 PM  
Ask Lichtman for an official ruling, but that looks like Key 2 may have just turned.
 
2019-04-15 06:03:59 PM  
"Weld was governor of the Bay State from 1991 to 1997, and was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential nominee in 2016, sharing a ticket with former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson."

Yeah this totally will get traction.
 
2019-04-15 06:06:43 PM  

Fart_Machine: "Weld was governor of the Bay State from 1991 to 1997, and was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential nominee in 2016, sharing a ticket with former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson."

Yeah this totally will get traction.


He even advocated for people to vote for Hillary in the days leading up to the election z
 
2019-04-15 06:09:11 PM  

Fart_Machine: "Weld was governor of the Bay State from 1991 to 1997, and was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential nominee in 2016, sharing a ticket with former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson."

Yeah this totally will get traction.


I'm holding my breath for the inevitable 3rd party gibberish. I'll place a $5 chip on "guns for every man, woman, child, & golden retriever."
 
2019-04-15 06:10:31 PM  
I doubt the guy is racist enough for today's Republican voters. Such a bigly bar to pass.
 
2019-04-15 06:11:17 PM  
I made this point months ago here on Fark which is why I'm still hoping someone primaries this clown.
 
2019-04-15 06:15:16 PM  

Fart_Machine: "Weld was governor of the Bay State from 1991 to 1997, and was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential nominee in 2016, sharing a ticket with former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson."

Yeah this totally will get traction.


I think the real reason it won't get traction is because of all the changes the RNC has made to limit the possibility of anyone other than Trump being on the primary ballot.
 
2019-04-15 06:15:39 PM  
Well yeah, they had to spend 75% of the election cycle running against their own party instead of against the other side.  Unfortunately, I don't think this is a serious challenge.
 
2019-04-15 06:15:54 PM  

Fart_Machine: "Weld was governor of the Bay State from 1991 to 1997, and was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential nominee in 2016, sharing a ticket with former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson."

Yeah this totally will get traction.


A couple things to consider.
He will be all over Iowa and new Hampshire for the next year and a half.
He will likely run a Beto style campaign.
He will pull from three groups; libertarian Republicans, Republicans tired of defending Trump, and Republicans who are worried Trump won't win.

That might not be enough to get Weld the nomination, but there will be damage to Trump's base.

Also, anyone supporting Weld will be attacked by Trumpers making them reluctant to go back to Trump if Weld loses the nomination.

Trump barely won 2016 and is still unpopular and will likely keep imploding.

So no, Weld probably won't get the nomination, but it's one more thing to pull voters from Trump, many of whom won't go back.
 
2019-04-15 06:16:37 PM  

Badmoodman: I made this point months ago here on Fark which is why I'm still hoping someone primaries this clown.


Right on cue: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/p​olitic​s/bill-weld-2020-trump/index.html
 
2019-04-15 06:17:07 PM  

UltimaCS: Fart_Machine: "Weld was governor of the Bay State from 1991 to 1997, and was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential nominee in 2016, sharing a ticket with former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson."

Yeah this totally will get traction.

I'm holding my breath for the inevitable 3rd party gibberish. I'll place a $5 chip on "guns for every man, woman, child, & golden retriever."


Just the Goldens?  Racist.
 
2019-04-15 06:17:36 PM  

Badmoodman: I made this point months ago here on Fark which is why I'm still hoping someone primaries this clown.


Not Ted Cruz though. Needs to be someone else.
 
2019-04-15 06:18:31 PM  
If anyone decided to run against Trump in the primaries some people showing open support for the other candidate will be murdered. Trump has brought us fascism complete with the violence that comes with it.
 
2019-04-15 06:19:34 PM  

abb3w: Ask Lichtman for an official ruling, but that looks like Key 2 may have just turned.


Key two only turns if the challenger takes a third or more of the vote on the first ballot at the convention.

If I had to predict based on my reading of the keys at this point, I'd say Trump is going to win, and with a majority of the popular vote this time. Conservatives are downright giddy about Trump, the hemming and hawing of the pundit class notwithstanding. And for all the Democratic candidates, not one appears to be charismatic or a national hero of the caliber of FDR or Eisenhower.

And the Barr synopsis of the Mueller report, and the redacted version he will release soon, will probably turn the scandal key irrevocably in Trump's favor. The public seems to have bought the MSM spin that "collusion" is the only issue concerning Trump; not whether he's being blackmailed, or whether he's committed multiple felonies in trying to cover his ass.

2016 allowed me to retain my confidence in democratic government because democracy worked while the elite buffer against democracy catastrophically backfired. Trump winning a majority of voters will certainly test that confidence.

We'll see.
 
2019-04-15 06:22:39 PM  
It's not a primary challenge.  It's a vanity campaign by a grifting narcissist.
 
2019-04-15 06:24:22 PM  

blastoh: Also, anyone supporting Weld will be attacked by Trumpers making them reluctant to go back to Trump if Weld loses the nomination.


Are we sure about that?  We've seen folks like Graham and Cruz craw back to Trumpers with their tail between their legs.
 
2019-04-15 06:24:47 PM  
Bill Weld challenges Trump for GOP nomination in 2020
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2019-04-15 06:25:06 PM  
Sorry to see Bill go for the Republican ticket.  Then again, I was hoping the Libertarian ticket in 2016 would have been Weld/Johnson instead of the other way around though.
 
2019-04-15 06:26:42 PM  

king of vegas: If anyone decided to run against Trump in the primaries some people showing open support for the other candidate will be murdered. Trump has brought us fascism complete with the violence that comes with it.


Which is why you are so brave for having the courage to speak up like this.  Bravo, brave soul, bravo.
 
2019-04-15 06:27:11 PM  

king of vegas: If anyone decided to run against Trump in the primaries some people showing open support for the other candidate will be murdered.


And made to look like a robbery gone bad?
 
2019-04-15 06:27:15 PM  

Badmoodman: I made this point months ago here on Fark which is why I'm still hoping someone primaries this clown.


Yes. You did. I hope it stands this time also.
 
2019-04-15 06:30:49 PM  

nytmare: Badmoodman: I made this point months ago here on Fark which is why I'm still hoping someone primaries this clown.

Not Ted Cruz though. Needs to be someone else.


Rafael would siphon some GOP votes from Donnie in Texas. Maybe enough to...
 
2019-04-15 06:31:25 PM  

JDAT: king of vegas: If anyone decided to run against Trump in the primaries some people showing open support for the other candidate will be murdered.

And made to look like a robbery gone bad?


HNWSR
 
2019-04-15 06:33:43 PM  
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2019-04-15 06:34:38 PM  
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I know, I know, I voted for him as vp
 
2019-04-15 06:38:36 PM  

Badmoodman: I made this point months ago here on Fark which is why I'm still hoping someone primaries this clown.


I thought Trumps RNC flunkies were trying to get rid of GOP primaries just so there won't be a challenger.
 
2019-04-15 06:43:02 PM  

chemjeff1: It's not a primary challenge.  It's a vanity campaign by a grifting narcissist.


No, this is a story about Weld, not Trump.
 
2019-04-15 06:46:12 PM  

Saiga410: [img.fark.net image 679x365]

I know, I know, I voted for him as vp


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2019-04-15 06:48:16 PM  
So I guess it's gonna be Ivanka Trump challenging him, and if anyone says anything negative about it, trump and his minions will cyber bullly them??
 
2019-04-15 06:49:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It stands to reason that if you suck at the job bad enough that even your own party runs against you, you're going down.


The GOP has already agreed to go all-in on Trump. That means no other candidate will get support in the primary.
 
2019-04-15 06:50:13 PM  
Any response from cheetolini yet?
 
2019-04-15 06:50:44 PM  

DeaH: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It stands to reason that if you suck at the job bad enough that even your own party runs against you, you're going down.

The GOP has already agreed to go all-in on Trump. That means no other candidate will get support in the primary.


Citation needed
 
2019-04-15 07:00:50 PM  
Gallup has Trump with a 90% approval rating among Republicans.  This will go nowhere.
 
2019-04-15 07:02:29 PM  

Teufel Ritter: king of vegas: If anyone decided to run against Trump in the primaries some people showing open support for the other candidate will be murdered. Trump has brought us fascism complete with the violence that comes with it.

Which is why you are so brave for having the courage to speak up like this.  Bravo, brave soul, bravo.


There you go, denying something you support.
 
2019-04-15 07:02:42 PM  
In Colorado we have open primaries now.  I can't vote for both D and R, but in this case, if a credible R candidate is on the ballot, I'll be voting in the republican primary.
 
2019-04-15 07:05:52 PM  

Richard Freckle: In Colorado we have open primaries now.  I can't vote for both D and R, but in this case, if a credible R candidate is on the ballot, I'll be voting in the republican primary.


Virginia has open primaries too, and I expect to vote for the most unelectable Democrat on the ballot.  So it all works out even.
 
2019-04-15 07:09:56 PM  

Mouser: Richard Freckle: In Colorado we have open primaries now.  I can't vote for both D and R, but in this case, if a credible R candidate is on the ballot, I'll be voting in the republican primary.

Virginia has open primaries too, and I expect to vote for the most unelectable Democrat on the ballot.  So it all works out even.


To each their own, it depends on which groups are more motivated and mobilized this time around.
 
2019-04-15 07:11:21 PM  
Over the past 50 years, every Presidential candidate who openly bragged about sexually assaulting women lost the ele-
 
2019-04-15 07:25:02 PM  

WTFDYW: DeaH: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It stands to reason that if you suck at the job bad enough that even your own party runs against you, you're going down.

The GOP has already agreed to go all-in on Trump. That means no other candidate will get support in the primary.

Citation needed

 
2019-04-15 07:30:10 PM  
Too bad Trump has cowed the entire party, otherwise I'd expect an actual challenge to a president with historically low approval ratings.
 
2019-04-15 07:30:58 PM  

blastoh: Fart_Machine: "Weld was governor of the Bay State from 1991 to 1997, and was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential nominee in 2016, sharing a ticket with former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson."

Yeah this totally will get traction.

A couple things to consider.
He will be all over Iowa and new Hampshire for the next year and a half.
He will likely run a Beto style campaign.
He will pull from three groups; libertarian Republicans, Republicans tired of defending Trump, and Republicans who are worried Trump won't win.

That might not be enough to get Weld the nomination, but there will be damage to Trump's base.

Also, anyone supporting Weld will be attacked by Trumpers making them reluctant to go back to Trump if Weld loses the nomination.

Trump barely won 2016 and is still unpopular and will likely keep imploding.

So no, Weld probably won't get the nomination, but it's one more thing to pull voters from Trump, many of whom won't go back.


For the good of the country, half of all Democrats should re-register as Republicans, and vote for Weld.
 
2019-04-15 07:35:41 PM  
"It is time for patriotic men and women across our great nation to stand and plant a flag. It is time to return to the principles of Lincoln - equality, dignity, and opportunity for all.  There is no greater cause on earth than to preserve what truly makes America great. I am ready to lead that fight."

He's used a lot of words to say nothing.
 
2019-04-15 07:35:56 PM  
I wonder if it matters how much traction he'd get If the media gives Weld a lot of attention.  One could argue Trump got
To where he is due to the media exposure, if the channels constantly
Show the viewership a primary challenge rather than just discard him like thy usually do, I wonder if that would hurt Trump in the long run.
 
2019-04-15 07:36:31 PM  
Is Weld sufficiently evil to run as a Republican though? Does he even have a criminal record?
 
2019-04-15 07:40:01 PM  

blastoh: Fart_Machine: "Weld was governor of the Bay State from 1991 to 1997, and was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential nominee in 2016, sharing a ticket with former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson."

Yeah this totally will get traction.

A couple things to consider.
He will be all over Iowa and new Hampshire for the next year and a half.
He will likely run a Beto style campaign.
He will pull from three groups; libertarian Republicans, Republicans tired of defending Trump, and Republicans who are worried Trump won't win.

That might not be enough to get Weld the nomination, but there will be damage to Trump's base.

Also, anyone supporting Weld will be attacked by Trumpers making them reluctant to go back to Trump if Weld loses the nomination.

Trump barely won 2016 and is still unpopular and will likely keep imploding.

So no, Weld probably won't get the nomination, but it's one more thing to pull voters from Trump, many of whom won't go back.


Weld polled at 28% in NH earlier this month

https://www.insidesources.com/poll-we​l​d-closing-in-on-buchanan-benchmark-in-​new-hampshire/
 
2019-04-15 07:44:22 PM  

WTFDYW: DeaH: MaudlinMutantMollusk: It stands to reason that if you suck at the job bad enough that even your own party runs against you, you're going down.

The GOP has already agreed to go all-in on Trump. That means no other candidate will get support in the primary.

Citation needed


Here you go:

RNC pledges undivided support for Trump re-election; state leaders consider canceling caucuses
 
2019-04-15 07:46:28 PM  
The FAKE media will continue to give Two Scoops billions in free coverage, ignoring any primary challenger.
 
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