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(Law and Crime)   Judge orders indictment against some Ass unsealed, revealing an Asston of charges that have been ready to go since 2017. *mic drop*   (lawandcrime.com) divider line
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4 days ago  
welp, you f*cked up, Julian
 
4 days ago  
Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?
 
4 days ago  

hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?


I haven't seen very many real journalists circling the wagons for that fake journalist.
 
4 days ago  

hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?


If by "death of journalism" you mean illegal hacking into government computers, then yeah.
 
4 days ago  

hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?


Actively aiding in espionage is not journalism. Maybe read the affidavit, especially where it states Assange was doing just that in assisting Manning with the hacking
 
4 days ago  

mrshowrules: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

I haven't seen very many real journalists circling the wagons for that fake journalist.


Even one article in this vein is too much and there have been more than that. Ridiculous.

My big question is whether he's been pulled in as a way to keep him from being charged in the Russian affair.
 
4 days ago  

hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?


There was a group of Ukrainian hackers who released a dump of Russian data hacked from government computers a few years back in retaliation for Russia's role in the takeover of Crimea. They sent it to Wikileaks to publish. Wikileaks refused.

They aren't a journalistic outfit, they are an agency of Russian propaganda.
 
4 days ago  

hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?


Trump isn't here yet.
 
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4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

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That's what your mother said last night, Trebek.
 
4 days ago  

hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?


Not to many people call hacking journalism.  Usually it's called crime... hence the indictment.
 
4 days ago  

twistedknickers: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

If by "death of journalism" you mean illegal hacking into government computers, then yeah.


Oh if the government wants something secret surely we should just trust them. They'd never try to keep someone evil under wraps
 
4 days ago  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: mrshowrules: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

I haven't seen very many real journalists circling the wagons for that fake journalist.

Even one article in this vein is too much and there have been more than that. Ridiculous.

My big question is whether he's been pulled in as a way to keep him from being charged in the Russian affair.


One would the one preclude the other?
 
4 days ago  

Deucednuisance: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: mrshowrules: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

I haven't seen very many real journalists circling the wagons for that fake journalist.

Even one article in this vein is too much and there have been more than that. Ridiculous.

My big question is whether he's been pulled in as a way to keep him from being charged in the Russian affair.

One

WHY would the one preclude the other?

Management regrets the error.
 
4 days ago  

RexTalionis: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

There was a group of Ukrainian hackers who released a dump of Russian data hacked from government computers a few years back in retaliation for Russia's role in the takeover of Crimea. They sent it to Wikileaks to publish. Wikileaks refused.

They aren't a journalistic outfit, they are an agency of Russian propaganda.


Gee it's almost like they only publish documents that are damaging to the USA and refuse to release anything that might even embarrass Russia.

In fact didn't wikileaks condemn the release of the Panama Papers? Something about being irresponsible in simply releasing everything?
 
4 days ago  

RexTalionis: They aren't a journalistic outfit, they are an agency of Russian propaganda.


They're the Inside Edition arm of RT.
 
4 days ago  

hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?


If journalism includes conspiring to hack government computers it is.
 
4 days ago  
Clearly they had to wait until the Mueller investigation was over, so he couldn't provide testimony.
 
4 days ago  
julian iissange is never knew trump they never knew each other julian assnage never took picture of trump slapping own ass while prancing about in leather chaps this is fake news votes trump da
 
4 days ago  

twistedknickers: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

If by "death of journalism" you mean illegal hacking into government computers, then yeah.


what hacking ? be specific

and telling your source to not maybe use their real login when copying data = conspiracy to hack a computer system ?
 
4 days ago  
Two criminal conspiracy charges hardly seems an "Asston", subby.
 
4 days ago  
He knew... because he hacked them.... and that's why he hid in one building for 1/5 of his life.

Most of us would call that "sentence served for homicide", but apparently that's just the start for him.
What else is going on here?
I'm not a farkbrainic, but simple math says something else is going on here.
Maybe he was just prepping for solitary... training like marathon runners do?
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

RexTalionis: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

There was a group of Ukrainian hackers who released a dump of Russian data hacked from government computers a few years back in retaliation for Russia's role in the takeover of Crimea. They sent it to Wikileaks to publish. Wikileaks refused.

They aren't a journalistic outfit, they are an agency of Russian propaganda.


Let's not forget that both the RNC & DNC were hacked, but only one set of files were released.
 
4 days ago  

phygz: [img.fark.net image 530x700]


I find Wikileaks shallow and pedantic.
 
4 days ago  

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4 days ago  
My beliefs on this mess, in order of importance:
- Wikileaks is nakedly partisan and nakedly in Russia's pocket.
- "Legal" and "morally right" are often not the same thing.
- If someone exposes some significant wrongdoing through shady things, I think that is doing much more good than harm.
- Assange is a garbage human being.

My first impressions of Manning and Snowden were that they were heroes. If our nation is up to horrible shiat, and someone exposes it, I am grateful those people brought it to light, as long as they are actually intending to bring about justice and awareness.

However, as in Assange's case, if exposing government wrongdoing is at all selective, or in another country's interests, or is meant to sow discord, or is done more for profit than for service.... then no, fark that.
 
4 days ago  

ElwoodCuse: twistedknickers: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

If by "death of journalism" you mean illegal hacking into government computers, then yeah.

Oh if the government wants something secret surely we should just trust them. They'd never try to keep someone evil under wraps


......so we should trust a fake journalist who helps hackers of one hostile government attack the government of another and claim "journalism"
 
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4 days ago  

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4 days ago  
Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein met with Deep throat in clandestine locations, they took pain staking care to keep his identity concealed. They encouraged him to give them more dirt on Nixon. The identity of Deep throat was a secret for like 30 years.

Bob Woodward told Snowden he would have advised him to remain at the NSA and be his mole.

Is Bob Woodward a criminal ?

If you don't see this as the Trump administration, and DC power using this to reign in journalism I don't think you have been paying attention. Obama went after them full hog, this is another step in the march toward bring the press even more under boot.

Just like almost every Constitutional issue, you are not going to be representing the honored and best of the best, you are going to be fighting for the marginalized the state feels they can bully. And here we have an unlikable character once again whose actions are going to be used to erode freedoms,

I am pissed at Assange for helping Trump, but that doesn't mean I like they idea of using him to get to others, which is exactly what this is going to do,
 
4 days ago  

it's interesting ...: phygz: [img.fark.net image 530x700]

I find Wikileaks shallow and pedantic.


It insists upon itself.
 
4 days ago  

kindms: what hacking ? be specific

and telling your source to not maybe use their real login when copying data = conspiracy to hack a computer system ?


Manning supplied him with password hashes she recovered from two user accounts on a secure computer and Assange took them and agreed to attempt to crack them with the assumption they were Windows LM password hashes.

It's not clear he succeeded, but you don't have to get away with the money to be a bank robber.

It's not a string case as a conspiracy goes, but his attempt to recovery the passwords and provide them to Manning so she could access additional systems to obtain and release classified information is not protected by the freedom of the press.
 
4 days ago  

twistedknickers: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

If by "death of journalism" you mean illegal hacking into government computers, then yeah.


BUT who got to see jail for shown crimes? Is secrecy the ultimate thing that needs protecting?
 
4 days ago  
So, I don't see any mention in here of what new charges are in the newly unsealed indictment. Any word on that?
 
4 days ago  

kindms: Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein met with Deep throat in clandestine locations, they took pain staking care to keep his identity concealed. They encouraged him to give them more dirt on Nixon. The identity of Deep throat was a secret for like 30 years.

Bob Woodward told Snowden he would have advised him to remain at the NSA and be his mole.

Is Bob Woodward a criminal ?

If you don't see this as the Trump administration, and DC power using this to reign in journalism I don't think you have been paying attention. Obama went after them full hog, this is another step in the march toward bring the press even more under boot.

Just like almost every Constitutional issue, you are not going to be representing the honored and best of the best, you are going to be fighting for the marginalized the state feels they can bully. And here we have an unlikable character once again whose actions are going to be used to erode freedoms,

I am pissed at Assange for helping Trump, but that doesn't mean I like they idea of using him to get to others, which is exactly what this is going to do,


Sources aren't illegal, even if they are currently employed. Hacking is illegal, and not journalism.
 
4 days ago  

phygz: [img.fark.net image 530x700]


That's funny, and there's a lot of truth to it. But IIRC the 'climate data scandal' wasn't an actual scandal.
 
4 days ago  

kindms: Is Bob Woodward a criminal ?


There's a legally unsubtle difference between suborning/soliciting a criminal act and co-conspiracy to a criminal act. The former is sometimes unlawful; the latter is always unlawful.

There's a similar difference for those in terms of journalistic professional norms.
 
4 days ago  

kindms: twistedknickers: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

If by "death of journalism" you mean illegal hacking into government computers, then yeah.

what hacking ? be specific

and telling your source to not maybe use their real login when copying data = conspiracy to hack a computer system ?


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4 days ago  

phaseolus: phygz: [img.fark.net image 530x700]

That's funny, and there's a lot of truth to it. But IIRC the 'climate data scandal' wasn't an actual scandal.


A-yup.
"Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct."
 
4 days ago  

mongbiohazard: So, I don't see any mention in here of what new charges are in the newly unsealed indictment. Any word on that?


The primary document is linked from TFA. It boils down to a couple criminal conspiracy charges over computer intrusion and disclosure of classified information.
 
4 days ago  
Perhaps he called up Macron, and said "Use Rakes!!!!"
 
4 days ago  

mrshowrules: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

I haven't seen very many real journalists circling the wagons for that fake journalist.


If all he did was publish news stories that were given to him by outside sources, he should be found innocent, and maybe given a couple of medals...
However...
If he passed illegally obtained information to someone else in hopes that it would allow said person to access classified information (no matter if that attempt succeeded) he should be charged with "conspiracy to" <insert lawyer speak here />
 
4 days ago  

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4 days ago  

fortheloveof: RexTalionis: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

There was a group of Ukrainian hackers who released a dump of Russian data hacked from government computers a few years back in retaliation for Russia's role in the takeover of Crimea. They sent it to Wikileaks to publish. Wikileaks refused.

They aren't a journalistic outfit, they are an agency of Russian propaganda.

Gee it's almost like they only publish documents that are damaging to the USA and refuse to release anything that might even embarrass Russia.

In fact didn't wikileaks condemn the release of the Panama Papers? Something about being irresponsible in simply releasing everything?


They said that? Bwahahahaha. Sounds almost like Mitch McConnell's press secretary wrote that for them.
 
4 days ago  

"The original iteration of Wikileaks was a grassroots leak and analysis platform based on Mediawiki. But far fewer people saw it then. You can still see original Wikileaks Mediawiki site, which looks like they abandoned in 2010. Smaller releases then. https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Main_Pa​ge

"Wikileaks was originally a platform for normal every-day employees to release documents exposing misdeeds/corruption in their workplace. Wikileaks was based on wiki because they anticipated a very high volume of random leaks and documents they would need public to help curate. Didn't pay much attention at time, but they gravitated to more geopolitical stuff, shed volunteers, and here they are today, like 8 ppl?

"Wikileaks has abandoned any analysis capabilities, which is why they just blindly dump anything they get. No workforce to do it. I remember Wikileaks had various global volunteer "drop sites" and instructions on how to anonymously mail stuff to them. Different times.

"Basically, Wikileaks as an organization and vision died, perpetuated now as the political advocacy brand of a core group who took the name. So, basically, if someone says they were a Wikileaks volunteer, that has no relation to what's happening now. It was a movement at one point. That feeling of greater purpose, of changing the world, it helps put in context the actions of Manning, who was lost and seeking just that. ..."

And later in the replies:
"...Yep I was there at the start. I remember the beginning of Wikileaks. Physical mail addresses you could anonymously drop stuff to, run by volunteers. They'd upload the data for you. Random files from banks showing audit procedures. It was a different timeline, snuffed in the crib. We could [have] had a massively distributed corporate malfeasance analysis platform, instead we got a freaking sitcom show for a narcissist. I'm actually freaking angry about this. I was farking there. We were on the cusp of it. Democratized leaking by corporate cogs who saw something wrong.

"I don't believe in master-plan conspiracies because humans are too stupid, but if you wanted to stop a revolution, that's where you'd intervene. ~2008 Wikileaks. Prevent dumping the files of oligarchs and finance. Later, Wikileaks decried release of the Panama papers. Full circle"
 
4 days ago  

kindms: twistedknickers: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

If by "death of journalism" you mean illegal hacking into government computers, then yeah.

what hacking ? be specific

and telling your source to not maybe use their real login when copying data = conspiracy to hack a computer system ?


Actually, it is.

There is a distinct legal difference from an individual, under the cover of journalism, from receiving classified information and publishing it, and that same individual providing assistance (in any form, including everything Assange did) in obtaining that information.

If Manning had been encouraged (etc) by Assange, but then had sent everything to the Washington Post (for example) and the WaPo published it, then Assange would still be chargable, and here's the kicker - the WaPo wouldn't be.
 
4 days ago  

kindms: Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein met with Deep throat in clandestine locations


Meeting someone isn't illegal

  ,  they took pain staking care to keep his identity concealed

Refusing to out/DOX someone isn't illegal

   They encouraged him to give them more dirt on Nixon.

Setting aside the judgment call of "encouraged", mere cheerleading isn't illegal.

   The identity of Deep throat was a secret for like 30 years.

So?

   Bob Woodward told Snowden he would have advised him to remain at the NSA and be his mole. Is Bob Woodward a criminal ?

As he wasn't advising Snowden on computer security techniques, and didn't advise him at all, no.

   If you don't see this as the Trump administration, and DC power using this to reign in journalism I don't think you have been paying attention. Obama went after them full hog, this is another step in the march toward bring the press even more under boot.

The press is hardly under Trump's boot.

   Just like almost every Constitutional issue, you are not going to be representing the honored and best of the best, you are going to be fighting for the marginalized the state feels they can bully.

You can't cast every criminal act as a constitutional issue just because you pretend that the criminal is complaining about being "bullied by the state". Assange, in particular, is hardly marginalized.
 
4 days ago  

danielem1: fortheloveof: RexTalionis: hodgemann: Is this the thread where we celebrate the death of journalism?  Am I too late?

There was a group of Ukrainian hackers who released a dump of Russian data hacked from government computers a few years back in retaliation for Russia's role in the takeover of Crimea. They sent it to Wikileaks to publish. Wikileaks refused.

They aren't a journalistic outfit, they are an agency of Russian propaganda.

Gee it's almost like they only publish documents that are damaging to the USA and refuse to release anything that might even embarrass Russia.

In fact didn't wikileaks condemn the release of the Panama Papers? Something about being irresponsible in simply releasing everything?

They said that? Bwahahahaha. Sounds almost like Mitch McConnell's press secretary wrote that for them.


No, I got it semi backwards on this case, WikiLeaks did criticize, but that's because the ICIJ didn't give them everything upfront.

Of course that criticism is rich considering the times WikiLeaks has refused documentation in the past, and is known for not releasing everything they get.
 
4 days ago  
He exposed Hillary and the whole DNC for a sham election.  He showed how the US was letting ISIS fighters into Syria.  Presumably because they are magically on our side now. That's why he's target #1
 
4 days ago  

Pharmdawg: He exposed Hillary and the whole DNC for a sham election.  He showed how the US was letting ISIS fighters into Syria.  Presumably because they are magically on our side now. That's why he's target #1


Oh, look, a moron.
 
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