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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   The suspect charged with throwing a child off the balcony at Mall of America says he went there looking to be an asshole   (startribune.com) divider line
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2019-04-15 03:13:55 PM  
free the presses
 
2019-04-15 03:17:54 PM  
So he goes to prison instead of a mental hospital.  I'm okay with that.
 
2019-04-15 03:33:06 PM  

Ambivalence: So he goes to prison instead of a mental hospital.  I'm okay with that.



Hopefully he gets the sh*t beat out of him often.
 
2019-04-15 03:35:29 PM  
Um, he sounds kind of mentally ill to me.

Court files show that judges have repeatedly ordered Aranda to undergo mental health counseling, abstain from alcohol and drugs, and take prescribed medications.

He may not meet the legal definition of insanity if he is saying he knew what he did was wrong, but this guy was not right.
 
2019-04-15 03:35:32 PM  
Maybe they should just toss his ass off a third story prison tier.
 
2019-04-15 03:35:54 PM  
There are still people in a mall?
 
2019-04-15 03:37:52 PM  

bikerific: Um, he sounds kind of mentally ill to me.

Court files show that judges have repeatedly ordered Aranda to undergo mental health counseling, abstain from alcohol and drugs, and take prescribed medications.

He may not meet the legal definition of insanity if he is saying he knew what he did was wrong, but this guy was not right.


I think most of the people who commit these types of crimes are mentally ill. No normal person would do something like this. But, as a society, we don't want to think about them as mentally ill. It kind of ruins the revenge fantasy.

I think it's fine to say they're mentally ill. Then, go ahead and lock them up forever as a danger to society. Just because they're mentally ill doesn't make them any less guilty.
 
2019-04-15 03:37:55 PM  
There is such a thing as a mentally ill asshole, you know.
 
2019-04-15 03:38:21 PM  
A hateful incel too, apparently
 
2019-04-15 03:39:51 PM  

ChipNASA: Maybe they should just toss his ass off a third 40 story prison tier.


FTFY.
 
2019-04-15 03:40:07 PM  
Women rejected him so he decided to kill people.

Even if he didn't subscribe to the ideology, still, wtf is the matter with incels?!
 
2019-04-15 03:42:40 PM  

bikerific: Um, he sounds kind of mentally ill to me.

Court files show that judges have repeatedly ordered Aranda to undergo mental health counseling, abstain from alcohol and drugs, and take prescribed medications.

He may not meet the legal definition of insanity if he is saying he knew what he did was wrong, but this guy was not right.


I'll wait until I hear from an actual professional psychologist instead of listening to the detectives saying he knew what was wrong. That will take a bit of time for the court order to go through and the forensic psychologist to do the analysis.  I'd admit to stealing the Lindbergh baby after some of these "interrogation" techniques I've seen performed by cops.
 
2019-04-15 03:43:35 PM  
So he was looking for someone to kill.   And, since he's such a badass, he chose a 5 year old.
 
2019-04-15 03:44:43 PM  
So who pays the hospital?
 
2019-04-15 03:44:49 PM  
No sympathy for this guy even if he is mentally ill. He is by nature evil.
 
2019-04-15 03:45:12 PM  
Being an unfarkable loser with anger issues isn't mental illness. It's just what society builds up after 3 generations of prosperity little war and great strides in gender equality combine to give: a surplus of subaverage men who have a lot of fake shiat to cry about and no real machine gun emplacements to charge.
 
2019-04-15 03:47:13 PM  
JFC what the hell?
 
2019-04-15 03:47:21 PM  
Good. If he were mentally ill, we would be obliged to help him get help. Now they can hang him or jail him for life. It's not cheaper to hang him, but it is more satisfying for many, and jailing him for live should keep him away from innocent children unless they have immigrant or refugee parents.

It's one hurtin' puppy of a system, isn't it?
 
2019-04-15 03:48:26 PM  

TaintPunchJudy: Being an unfarkable loser with anger issues isn't mental illness. It's just what society builds up after 3 generations of prosperity little war and great strides in gender equality combine to give: a surplus of subaverage men who have a lot of fake shiat to cry about and no real machine gun emplacements to charge.


Pretty much by definition, a person who goes to a mall and throws a kid off a balcony for no reason, knowing he himself will be caught and go to prison, is mentally ill.

If that's not mental illness, then what is?
 
2019-04-15 03:48:58 PM  

johnphantom: No sympathy for this guy even if he is mentally ill. He is by nature evil.


I am with Jean-Paul Sartre on this one. No one is essentially evil. They are only as evil as the things they think, say and do.

Existence precedes essence. That one maxim is worth a university credit in Existentialism. This is the maxim mansplained for you: evil is as evil does.
 
2019-04-15 03:52:14 PM  

brantgoose: johnphantom: No sympathy for this guy even if he is mentally ill. He is by nature evil.

I am with Jean-Paul Sartre on this one. No one is essentially evil. They are only as evil as the things they think, say and do.

Existence precedes essence. That one maxim is worth a university credit in Existentialism. This is the maxim mansplained for you: evil is as evil does.


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Damn, you is like books smart.
 
2019-04-15 03:54:01 PM  
This article makes him sound like he is bat shiat farking crazy. And an asshole, but still crazy.
 
2019-04-15 03:55:21 PM  
Americans always believe that people who do heinous things are "insane", "mad", crazy. But there is no firm dividing line between the most evil and the most saintly person, and some people are both by turns or from different points of view.

Stop it, America. Stop believing the world is less dynamic, less chaotic, and less confusing and unthinkable than it is. People change. Maybe a few are so completely sunk in depravity and stupidity that they are incorrigible. But they are never essentially evil. It is not an either/or, not black or white, not good and evil. Those are fairy tales supported by politicians, priests and pseudo-science.

There is no excuse and not reason to mitigate a sentence. But neither is there inherant good and evil beyond the reach of law, justice, equity and order.

We are beyond Good and Evil. The laws of the land are written, enforced and interpreted by men as they are, and laws and institutions as they might be. Remember that. It is the American Way and was long before the Founding Fathers latched on to it in the writings of many British, French or other European philsophers and legalists.
 
2019-04-15 03:55:46 PM  

2chris2: TaintPunchJudy: Being an unfarkable loser with anger issues isn't mental illness. It's just what society builds up after 3 generations of prosperity little war and great strides in gender equality combine to give: a surplus of subaverage men who have a lot of fake shiat to cry about and no real machine gun emplacements to charge.

Pretty much by definition, a person who goes to a mall and throws a kid off a balcony for no reason, knowing he himself will be caught and go to prison, is mentally ill.

If that's not mental illness, then what is?


It's called being a hateful asshole who wants to destroy nice things because he hates the world for not giving him nice things. This isn't rocket science, here, and it's not mental illness either.
 
2019-04-15 03:57:07 PM  
Mental competency is secondary to guilt, which is undeniable in this case. You're about to reply with something legal or philosophical; save it. Hang this POS and let's move on.
 
2019-04-15 03:57:45 PM  
As I have said before, kill Baby Hitler and you kill an innocent babe in arms. Wait until he is a soldier or at least a bratty school boy filling his head with reactionary and hateful shiat by predeliction, but having reached the Age of Reason, such as it is.
 
2019-04-15 03:58:26 PM  
Aranda told investigators he had been going to the Bloomington mall for several years "and had made efforts to talk to women in the Mall, but had been rejected, and the rejection caused him to lash out and to be aggressive."

Ah, another brave incel warrior. The construction of that rocket into the sun for the whole lot of them is taking way too long.
 
2019-04-15 04:00:20 PM  
So he's a trump supporter.
 
2019-04-15 04:03:44 PM  

brantgoose: johnphantom: No sympathy for this guy even if he is mentally ill. He is by nature evil.

I am with Jean-Paul Sartre on this one. No one is essentially evil. They are only as evil as the things they think, say and do.

Existence precedes essence. That one maxim is worth a university credit in Existentialism. This is the maxim mansplained for you: evil is as evil does.


You do not know truly evil people then.

I have a cousin that had twins by in vitro and one was born evil. Enjoyed torturing his non-genetic twin in the crib, laughed when he would cry. My cousin goes through about 1 dog a year, and I know the kid is killing them, I've seen him abuse animals. I have a dog that I my cousin gave to her brother that gave him to me, when I met them in a hotel room one weekend the dog growled and barked at the two of them and huddled by my side when they came near.
 
2019-04-15 04:04:53 PM  

TaintPunchJudy: 2chris2: TaintPunchJudy: Being an unfarkable loser with anger issues isn't mental illness. It's just what society builds up after 3 generations of prosperity little war and great strides in gender equality combine to give: a surplus of subaverage men who have a lot of fake shiat to cry about and no real machine gun emplacements to charge.

Pretty much by definition, a person who goes to a mall and throws a kid off a balcony for no reason, knowing he himself will be caught and go to prison, is mentally ill.

If that's not mental illness, then what is?

It's called being a hateful asshole who wants to destroy nice things because he hates the world for not giving him nice things. This isn't rocket science, here, and it's not mental illness either.


You still haven't said what you think mental illness actually is.  If you look into it, you'll find that it's far more broadly defined than you realize.

According to the Mayo Clinic, for example, "Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions - disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors"

The American Psychiatric Association says, "Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities".

By definition, purposeless homicide which destroys one's own life in the process is proof of mental illlness.

Mental illness is not at all the same as the legal definition of insanity, of course.  According to the information we have, this guy was not delusional and psychotic and out of touch with reality, he knew what he was doing.
 
2019-04-15 04:06:57 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: There are still people in a mall?


Not just any mall, Mall of America!
 
2019-04-15 04:10:38 PM  

snocone: Harry Freakstorm: There are still people in a mall?

Not just any mall, Mall of America

Murica!

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2019-04-15 04:11:43 PM  
I'm gonna go ahead and say that anyone who reaches that level of asshole is mentally ill by default.

Probably shouldn't be around people anymore either way however.
 
2019-04-15 04:13:04 PM  

GungFu: snocone: Harry Freakstorm: There are still people in a mall?

Not just any mall, Mall of America Murica!

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Built by Canadians.
 
2019-04-15 04:14:36 PM  
I'm thinking of a new 3rd floor business that supplies a dummy to throw over the railing.  Call it "Don't kill the little kid, throw me instead you Bigg Dummy"
Bigg is supposed to be like that, it's a kick to Red Foxx
Then I'll put saltpeter in all of the malls' female workers sodas and such.
Then wait for the incels

saltpeter works on girls right?
 
2019-04-15 04:15:11 PM  
I don't know if he's mentally ill or not, but I agree with the charges. There's no way an adult picks up a kid and throws them over a 3rd floor rail with anything other than the intention of killing them.

He better hope he's insane enough that everyone agrees he's insane. He should still be locked for life, but at least then he'd technically be not guilty by reason of insanity. That's something.
 
2019-04-15 04:19:20 PM  

snocone: GungFu: snocone: Harry Freakstorm: There are still people in a mall?

Not just any mall, Mall of America Murica!

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Built by Canadians.


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not me tho, I'm American.
 
2019-04-15 04:20:12 PM  
If Obama had a son...
 
2019-04-15 04:25:02 PM  
That's such a farking nightmare as a parent. There are a lot of places like this where a stranger can murder a kid in seconds with their barehands and there's almost nothing the parents can do about it.

If that doesn't get people off their asses to reopen involuntary institutionalization nothing will.
 
2019-04-15 04:43:26 PM  
Aranda told investigators he had been going to the Bloomington mall for several years "and had made efforts to talk to women in the Mall, but had been rejected, and the rejection caused him to lash out and to be aggressive."

typical Incel. Thankfully there is a device made just for them

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2019-04-15 04:45:12 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Women rejected him so he decided to kill people.


Hell, I may get shot down a time or two, I either move on, or go home an jerk off that night.

If you're that bound up that you want to kill people because you can't get a woman to fark you, start a GoFundMe for a fleshlight, I'll chip in!

GungFu:
Not just any mall, Mall of America Murica!

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Guns are banned in the MoA, so you can't roll around on your Fart Cart with an M249 bolted to the front.
 
2019-04-15 04:46:12 PM  
It is for people like this that I think the death penalty is necessary.

We know he did it.  There is no question.  For no reason at all, a grabbed an innocent child and threw him off a balcony.  His intention was to kill the child.  None of this is in dispute.

I couldn't care less if he is mentally ill.  Do you think that kid was thinking to himself, "Hey, I wonder if that guy that just threw me to my death is mentally ill."

So what is the point in allowing him to keep living?  If he is prone to that sort of behavior, he serves no purpose in this world any more. He should be put to death simply because he has forfeited his right to live.

I'll never understand this whole concept that just because he was born human, he has some right to life that supersedes all sanity and reason.  Not everyone needs to be forgiven.  Not everyone needs to live.
 
2019-04-15 04:47:15 PM  
But was he cleansed by Purging?
 
2019-04-15 04:50:08 PM  

brantgoose: Americans always believe that people who do heinous things are "insane", "mad", crazy. But there is no firm dividing line between the most evil and the most saintly person, and some people are both by turns or from different points of view.

Stop it, America. Stop believing the world is less dynamic, less chaotic, and less confusing and unthinkable than it is. People change. Maybe a few are so completely sunk in depravity and stupidity that they are incorrigible. But they are never essentially evil. It is not an either/or, not black or white, not good and evil. Those are fairy tales supported by politicians, priests and pseudo-science.

There is no excuse and not reason to mitigate a sentence. But neither is there inherant good and evil beyond the reach of law, justice, equity and order.

We are beyond Good and Evil. The laws of the land are written, enforced and interpreted by men as they are, and laws and institutions as they might be. Remember that. It is the American Way and was long before the Founding Fathers latched on to it in the writings of many British, French or other European philsophers and legalists.


There never was good and evil.  The question is whether he had the ability to understand that the societal norm around here is to NOT THROW A F*CKING KINDERGARTNER OVER A RAILING TO A 40-FOOT DROP ... and whether he consciously understood his decision yet chose to defy that norm anyways.

The article doesn't make that distinction.
 
2019-04-15 04:51:56 PM  
Could you imagine Fark's response to this if it was a white dude tossing a minority off a third story? It's a white kid though so let's make a joke out of it.
 
2019-04-15 05:06:45 PM  
Aranda told investigators he had been going to the Bloomington mall for several years "and had made efforts to talk to women in the Mall, but had been rejected, and the rejection  caused him to lash out and to be aggressive."

pretty sure it's your whole being an entitled asshole thing that led to both the rejection and the aggression.
But yeah, this is women's --and five year olds' (?) --faults.  Somehow.
 
2019-04-15 05:16:27 PM  

great_tigers: Could you imagine Fark's response to this if it was a white dude tossing a minority off a third story? It's a white kid though so let's make a joke out of it.


I have no idea about the races of those involved. I have not seen any photos of either the victim or perpetrator and am too horrified to look for them.

Most people here seem as angry as I am. I am not seeing a lot of "jokes" as you are implying. What he did is stomach turning and unforgivable.
 
2019-04-15 05:16:34 PM  

durbnpoisn: It is for people like this that I think the death penalty is necessary.

We know he did it.  There is no question.  For no reason at all, a grabbed an innocent child and threw him off a balcony.  His intention was to kill the child.  None of this is in dispute.

I couldn't care less if he is mentally ill.  Do you think that kid was thinking to himself, "Hey, I wonder if that guy that just threw me to my death is mentally ill."

So what is the point in allowing him to keep living?  If he is prone to that sort of behavior, he serves no purpose in this world any more. He should be put to death simply because he has forfeited his right to live.

I'll never understand this whole concept that just because he was born human, he has some right to life that supersedes all sanity and reason.  Not everyone needs to be forgiven.  Not everyone needs to live.


Some folks...apparently including this asshole...absolutely deserve the death penalty.

Problem is, it's the government administering it...and they can't even deliver my mail correctly.  Or even invade the correct country, on occasion...

Just like those bums at Nuremberg, he gets a fair trial.  Then lock him up for life, no parole...either a prison or a mental hospital, as appropriate.
 
2019-04-15 05:21:48 PM  

great_tigers: Could you imagine Fark's response to this if it was a white dude tossing a minority off a third story? It's a white kid though so let's make a joke out of it.


Who's making a joke of it?
 
2019-04-15 05:24:02 PM  

great_tigers: Could you imagine Fark's response to this if it was a white dude tossing a minority off a third story? It's a white kid though so let's make a joke out of it.


the kid who got flung off a balcony wasn't as whiny as you.

Welcome to fark
 
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