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(PBS)   Germany shows the world how to handle a lying liar who lies for a living   (pbs.org) divider line
    More: Hero, Fraud, Volkswagen Group, Martin Winterkorn, former Volkswagen CEO Martin Winterkorn, German prosecutors, Deception, Criminal law, Automobile  
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4182 clicks; posted to Politics » on 15 Apr 2019 at 7:17 PM (4 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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4 days ago  
What a functioning democracy might look like.
 
4 days ago  
mürrische Katze gut . jpg
 
4 days ago  
But I was told that prosecuting white color crimes is hate speech.
 
4 days ago  
Removal from office followed by jail time?! Is it removal from office followed by jail time?!

/dnrtfa
 
4 days ago  

TheDarkSaintOfGin: Removal from office followed by jail time?! Is it removal from office followed by jail time?!

/dnrtfa


*squints at TFA*

I'll reluctantly allow it.
 
4 days ago  

demaL-demaL-yeH: TheDarkSaintOfGin: Removal from office followed by jail time?! Is it removal from office followed by jail time?!

/dnrtfa

*squints at TFA*

I'll reluctantly allow it.


Spanks!
 
4 days ago  
Former Volkswagen CEO charged with fraud in Germany

That guy is so fahrvergnügend.
 
4 days ago  

TheDarkSaintOfGin: demaL-demaL-yeH: TheDarkSaintOfGin: Removal from office followed by jail time?! Is it removal from office followed by jail time?!

/dnrtfa

*squints at TFA*

I'll reluctantly allow it.

Spanks!


Don't do that in public:  Fark is not your personal erotica site.
 
4 days ago  

demaL-demaL-yeH: TheDarkSaintOfGin: demaL-demaL-yeH: TheDarkSaintOfGin: Removal from office followed by jail time?! Is it removal from office followed by jail time?!

/dnrtfa

*squints at TFA*

I'll reluctantly allow it.

Spanks!

Don't do that in public:  Fark is not your personal erotica site.


I've heard that a lot and seen it disproved time and time again.
 
4 days ago  
What?! We can charge white collar crime as.... a crime?! WTF?!
 
4 days ago  
This country could learn not only from Germany but from Japan as well.
Of course a little bit of the Chinese method of handling white collar crime should be considered as well...
Wouldn't work here though... here the rich are treated as gods no matter how they got rich.
It's a sickness.
 
4 days ago  
That's how we should have handled the folks who turned American mortgages into a Roulette game.
 
4 days ago  
OH SNAP!
 
4 days ago  

rewind2846: This country could learn not only from Germany but from Japan as well.
Of course a little bit of the Chinese method of handling white collar crime should be considered as well...
Wouldn't work here though... here the rich are treated as gods no matter how they got rich.
It's a sickness.


In China as well. The difference there can be boiled down to a couple things. Were members of your family prominent revolutionaries? If yes, you're golden royalty in China; do what you want as long as it does not threaten the leadership. Are your business activities essential to PRC policy? Or are they at least making a member of the Central Committee more wealthy? Then have at it.

Are you anything else? Then be farking careful.
 
4 days ago  
I'm surprised Republicans haven't erected a statue to this guy yet.
 
4 days ago  
That's the sort of governance you get when the public sector isn't caveat emptor. Crazy.
 
4 days ago  
I imagine actually prosecuting white collar crime leads to a reduction in said white collar crime.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
Duct tape his mouth to a tail pipe and start the engine.
 
4 days ago  
Bah.  Truth is so pre-2017.
 
4 days ago  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I'm surprised Republicans haven't erected a statue to this guy yet.


The GOP would be happy if he can help more cars roll coal.
 
4 days ago  
In America the DA would apologize to the wealthy white man and press charges against the whistleblower.
 
4 days ago  
No "but this will have a chilling effect on free speech and begin the descent down the slippery slope of government censorship!" posts yet?
 
4 days ago  
An important thing to note here, boards in Germany have to have 50% of its members come from the workers in the companies, and their efforts were crucial to making sure this came to light and that the CEOs were being held accountable.
 
4 days ago  
I prefer the Italian method of dealing with fascists.
 
4 days ago  

thorpe: No "but this will have a chilling effect on free speech and begin the descent down the slippery slope of government censorship!" posts yet?


And we can counter with "Germany has banned Nazi symbols/expression and the world didn't end". If anything, it probably prevented another group of conservatives from trying to take over the world with their genocidal desires.
 
4 days ago  
Germany is a country I would move to if they would let me in. But they won't.
 
4 days ago  

wesmon: Germany is a country I would move to if they would let me in. But they won't.


I could pull some strings at work to get me a transfer to there, but they're having issues with their own right wing problem.
 
4 days ago  

it's interesting ...: thorpe: No "but this will have a chilling effect on free speech and begin the descent down the slippery slope of government censorship!" posts yet?

And we can counter with "Germany has banned Nazi symbols/expression and the world didn't end". If anything, it probably prevented another group of conservatives from trying to take over the world with their genocidal desires.


I disagree with that policy. Better to air the racism in the open and challenge them instead of letting it fester in private.
 
4 days ago  

wesmon: it's interesting ...: thorpe: No "but this will have a chilling effect on free speech and begin the descent down the slippery slope of government censorship!" posts yet?

And we can counter with "Germany has banned Nazi symbols/expression and the world didn't end". If anything, it probably prevented another group of conservatives from trying to take over the world with their genocidal desires.

I disagree with that policy. Better to air the racism in the open and challenge them instead of letting it fester in private.


I disagree with it as well, but it's rather tempting!
 
4 days ago  
THIS WILL HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON FREE SPEECH AND BEGIN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE--oh.
 
4 days ago  

it's interesting ...: wesmon: it's interesting ...: thorpe: No "but this will have a chilling effect on free speech and begin the descent down the slippery slope of government censorship!" posts yet?

And we can counter with "Germany has banned Nazi symbols/expression and the world didn't end". If anything, it probably prevented another group of conservatives from trying to take over the world with their genocidal desires.

I disagree with that policy. Better to air the racism in the open and challenge them instead of letting it fester in private.

I disagree with it as well, but it's rather tempting!


From what I understand from Germans I talk to, the extreme racism is more of an eastern German thing, in the former GDR.
 
4 days ago  
Plus, the Nazis always find some sort of loophole (flying the confederate flag instead of the Nazi flag, for example).
 
4 days ago  
But, but blessed are the Job Creators?
 
4 days ago  
so, no one, including subby RTFA?

"Winterkorn had already been indicted in March by U.S. authorities on charges of wire fraud and conspiracy to violate the Clean Air Act. He could receive up to 20 years in prison if convicted on those charges, but cannot legally be extradited from Germany to the U.S."

/seems the US is ok with charging rich old (not american) white guys
 
4 days ago  
They elected him Chancellor and proceeded to invade Poland and France?
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

HerptheDerp: What?! We can charge white collar crime as.... a crime?! WTF?!


chuggernaught: In America the DA would apologize to the wealthy white man and press charges against the whistleblower.


gameshowhost: That's the sort of governance you get when the public sector isn't caveat emptor. Crazy.


Gee, I wonder if there could be any other difference at work here. Anything at all...

FTA: Four other executives are also being charged, the prosecutors' office in Brunswick in VW's home of Lower Saxony said...

The state of Lower Saxony holds 12.7% of the company's shares

Caused a regional government to lose a bundle when the stock took a dive, and will take years to fully recover the reputation, profitability, and market share. Heck yes they're going to make sure no future VW management team thinks about making a similar mistake.
 
4 days ago  
I remember a former work colleague bragging about his VW turbo diesel, how everyone should by it, it's mileage, etc. etc. He had me convinced it was a good choice. Fortunately I dodged buying one of them.
 
4 days ago  

TheDarkSaintOfGin: Removal from office followed by jail time?! Is it removal from office followed by jail time?!

/dnrtfa


Jail time? In Germany? Riiight. If (and that's a großes IF, as Germany worships its corporate execs almost as much as the US) convicted, he'll get a 3 month suspended jail sentence and a €1000 fine. After that, he'll probably be hired by BMW or Airbus.
 
4 days ago  
Dirty money on Netflix does a great job covering this story.
 
4 days ago  

wesmon: it's interesting ...: thorpe: No "but this will have a chilling effect on free speech and begin the descent down the slippery slope of government censorship!" posts yet?

And we can counter with "Germany has banned Nazi symbols/expression and the world didn't end". If anything, it probably prevented another group of conservatives from trying to take over the world with their genocidal desires.

I disagree with that policy. Better to air the racism in the open and challenge them instead of letting it fester in private.


In Germany, the cops just beat them up and then jail them pending trial.
 
4 days ago  

it's interesting ...: But I was told that prosecuting white color crimes is hate speech.


Here:. l

I think you dropped that 'l'.

Or not.

I cant keep up with the reverse ironic sarcasm sometimes.
 
4 days ago  
Subby, the headline was pretty good.   Pretty good.

Excellent sound with the alliteration.

But to be perfect, I think it needs more umlaut.

I got a fever, subs, and the only cure, is more umlaut.

/ Also holy schnikes, Volkswagen paid over $27 Brazillion Euros in fines so far.
//  That's a whole lotta clams
/// 3
 
4 days ago  

SurelyShirley: TheDarkSaintOfGin: Removal from office followed by jail time?! Is it removal from office followed by jail time?!

/dnrtfa

Jail time? In Germany? Riiight. If (and that's a großes IF, as Germany worships its corporate execs almost as much as the US) convicted, he'll get a 3 month suspended jail sentence and a €1000 fine. After that, he'll probably be hired by BMW or Airbus.


Maybe he could work for Boeing.  I hear they're shaking things up a bit.
 
4 days ago  

Man with the Red Eyes: THIS WILL HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON FREE SPEECH AND BEGIN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE--oh.


Well done.
+1
 
4 days ago  
The 71-year-old Winterkorn and the others face from six months to 10 years imprisonment if convicted on charges of aggravated fraud involving serious losses.

In the US that would sentence would be a wag of a finger and new CEO position someplace else.
 
4 days ago  

NINEv2: I prefer the Italian method of dealing with fascists.


"Bowels in?  Or Bowels out?"
 
4 days ago  

it's interesting ...: But I was told that prosecuting white color crimes is hate speech.


Even with the misspelling it still works...
 
4 days ago  

NearCanuck: SurelyShirley: TheDarkSaintOfGin: Removal from office followed by jail time?! Is it removal from office followed by jail time?!

/dnrtfa

Jail time? In Germany? Riiight. If (and that's a großes IF, as Germany worships its corporate execs almost as much as the US) convicted, he'll get a 3 month suspended jail sentence and a €1000 fine. After that, he'll probably be hired by BMW or Airbus.

Maybe he could work for Boeing.  I hear they're shaking things up a bit.


German execs don't seem to do so well in the US.

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