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(NBC Washington)   Open wide, Marylanders who live along I-495 or I-270. Eminent Domain is coming. Toll lanes, too   (nbcwashington.com) divider line
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2019-04-15 05:55:20 PM  
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Ruh roh.
 
2019-04-15 06:17:28 PM  
Time to run an interstate highway through the middle of Mar-a-Lago.
 
2019-04-15 06:18:42 PM  
Oh...but ain't that America?
 
2019-04-15 06:18:47 PM  
Open wide or lock and load.
 
2019-04-15 06:21:07 PM  
Well ill only worry if they decide to make the road 3 miles wide at 270. But even then I doubt it would help.
 
2019-04-15 06:24:38 PM  
Toll lanes just mean your government has given up doing it's farking job.
 
2019-04-15 06:24:53 PM  
Meh, I drive on 95 and 495 everyday.  Great, If they decide to expand the road it will take 14 years and cost 5x what they predict.  That's how we roll.
 
2019-04-15 06:25:10 PM  

groppet: Well ill only worry if they decide to make the road 3 miles wide at 270. But even then I doubt it would help.


My wife's family is in Frederick. You ain't kidding.
 
2019-04-15 06:25:33 PM  
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2019-04-15 06:25:51 PM  
I'm fine with this use of Eminent Domain where private homes are bought from the owner and demolished to make way for a service used for the public (like roads). The Eminent Domain I don't like can just be stated as Kelo v. New London.
 
2019-04-15 06:27:51 PM  
Using eminent domain? On people in Chevy Chase and Bethesda?

Someone post a laughing and/or popcorn gift for me.

/I'll believe it when I see it
 
2019-04-15 06:28:21 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: I'm fine with this use of Eminent Domain where private homes are bought from the owner and demolished to make way for a service used for the public (like roads). The Eminent Domain I don't like can just be stated as Kelo v. New London.


Hey, Pfizer stayed there for like five whole years.

This is America. Five years of Pfizer (at 1/5th the property tax rate) is more important than your rights.
 
2019-04-15 06:30:38 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: 'm fine with this


Of course you are.
 
2019-04-15 06:30:50 PM  
Eminent Domain was made for these kind of cases(public good).  You get fair market value for the property, so you'll be okay.
 
2019-04-15 06:31:59 PM  
Ugh. Another opportunity for private profits at the public's expense. Toll lanes didn't improve traffic on the beltway, it just gave those who make enough to afford the high tolls a way to avoid another thing the hoi polloi has to struggle with.

This will do the same damn thing. I'm not against using eminent domain to expand the roads in this extremely highly used corridor.... with two caveats. One is that the plans not avoid wealthy neighborhoods and only use that power on poor neighborhoods. Considering that they're only saying homes in Silver Spring would be affected despite 270 going through some particularly wealthy neighborhoods - particularly near the split which is where a lot of the congestion originates - this seems to fail that test. Hell, 270 doesn't even farking go through Silver Spring. My other issue is that the use actually SOLVES THE ISSUE. More HOT lanes won't do that, as the original ones here didn't either. They'll just make it easier for rich people to buy homes further from the city while avoiding the traffic the rest of us will have to sit in.

So not just no, but FARK NO.

Sadly, it's probably still going to happen. The right politically connected people will profit at everyone else's expense. Again. Dammit.
 
2019-04-15 06:34:56 PM  

ariseatex: Using eminent domain? On people in Chevy Chase and Bethesda?

Someone post a laughing and/or popcorn gift for me.

/I'll believe it when I see it


You ain't kidding. TFA says all homes under consideration are in Silver Spring, so you're spot on. That pisses me off.
 
2019-04-15 06:35:42 PM  

Flashfyr3: groppet: Well ill only worry if they decide to make the road 3 miles wide at 270. But even then I doubt it would help.

My wife's family is in Frederick. You ain't kidding.


I used to commute from Frederick to Rockville.  That was like 35 miles took about an hour.  Now I live in a Portland, OR suburb, 14 miles takes an hour.  FML
 
2019-04-15 06:40:16 PM  

PluckYew: Flashfyr3: groppet: Well ill only worry if they decide to make the road 3 miles wide at 270. But even then I doubt it would help.

My wife's family is in Frederick. You ain't kidding.

I used to commute from Frederick to Rockville.  That was like 35 miles took about an hour.  Now I live in a Portland, OR suburb, 14 miles takes an hour.  FML


When I used to commute on 270 from Germantown to Bethesda - a much shorter trip - it took me 1 -1/2 to 2 1/2 hours each way, each day. For weeks at a time I'd be spending up to 5 hours a day in my car just coming and going from work.
 
2019-04-15 06:41:06 PM  

Phelon Hardtimes: DarkSoulNoHope: 'm fine with this

Of course you are.


Of course you edit out the rest of my paragraph.
 
2019-04-15 06:42:30 PM  

mongbiohazard: ariseatex: Using eminent domain? On people in Chevy Chase and Bethesda?

Someone post a laughing and/or popcorn gift for me.

/I'll believe it when I see it

You ain't kidding. TFA says all homes under consideration are in Silver Spring, so you're spot on. That pisses me off.


Unless they exercise eminent domain on the beltway all the way from the bridge to New Hampshire Avenue, this whole project will be useless.
 
2019-04-15 06:45:12 PM  

mongbiohazard: PluckYew: Flashfyr3: groppet: Well ill only worry if they decide to make the road 3 miles wide at 270. But even then I doubt it would help.

My wife's family is in Frederick. You ain't kidding.

I used to commute from Frederick to Rockville.  That was like 35 miles took about an hour.  Now I live in a Portland, OR suburb, 14 miles takes an hour.  FML

When I used to commute on 270 from Germantown to Bethesda - a much shorter trip - it took me 1 -1/2 to 2 1/2 hours each way, each day. For weeks at a time I'd be spending up to 5 hours a day in my car just coming and going from work.


I used to do Gaithersburg(exit 10) to Germantown(15) to drop off my wife at work and the drive down to Rockville(exit 8). That took 30-45 minutes. When she later changed jobs to places to Rockville, it would still take about 30-45 minutes depending on which route I chose.

Thankfully, i now work from home, so no commute.
 
2019-04-15 06:46:22 PM  

bhcompy: Eminent Domain was made for these kind of cases(public good).  You get fair market value for the property, so you'll be okay.


yeah.. Goan EffYourself about the fact that you now have to incur the cost of moving when you dont want to .. you should just take the 10% ass pounding and like it.
 
2019-04-15 06:48:06 PM  

mongbiohazard: PluckYew: Flashfyr3: groppet: Well ill only worry if they decide to make the road 3 miles wide at 270. But even then I doubt it would help.

My wife's family is in Frederick. You ain't kidding.

I used to commute from Frederick to Rockville.  That was like 35 miles took about an hour.  Now I live in a Portland, OR suburb, 14 miles takes an hour.  FML

When I used to commute on 270 from Germantown to Bethesda - a much shorter trip - it took me 1 -1/2 to 2 1/2 hours each way, each day. For weeks at a time I'd be spending up to 5 hours a day in my car just coming and going from work.


I was field service 2003-2005, I tried to ensure I left from my last client call of the day.  Appointments at Ft. Detrick were few but coveted.

Took me 2.5 hours to get home the Wednesday before Thanksgiving 2004.

I tried multiple routes, MD 97 through Olney, MD 610, and MD 355.
 
2019-04-15 06:48:57 PM  
Widening freeways might just lead to induced demand creating more traffic congestion. It's counterintuitive, so I could see how MD government types might not understand.
 
2019-04-15 06:49:15 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Phelon Hardtimes: DarkSoulNoHope: 'm fine with this

Of course you are.

Of course you edit out the rest of my paragraph.


Yeah, my fault but I just dislike eminent domain laws.  It's fine until they target you,
 
2019-04-15 06:50:45 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: bhcompy: Eminent Domain was made for these kind of cases(public good).  You get fair market value for the property, so you'll be okay.

yeah.. Goan EffYourself about the fact that you now have to incur the cost of moving when you dont want to .. you should just take the 10% ass pounding and like it.


It's unfortunate but sometimes for the good of us all someone might need to move. The problem is that "someone" always seems to turn out to be the poor and middle class - and with some rich assholes getting richer as a result.
 
2019-04-15 06:50:52 PM  

cyberspacedout: Widening freeways might just lead to induced demand creating more traffic congestion. It's counterintuitive, so I could see how MD government types might not understand.


Check with Atlanta.  They added lanes, it fixed their whole traffic problem.


/s  (in case it's not obvious)
 
2019-04-15 06:56:01 PM  

cyberspacedout: Widening freeways might just lead to induced demand creating more traffic congestion. It's counterintuitive, so I could see how MD government types might not understand.


There's already a ton of demand, and no real alternatives to 270 for folks commuting in from the further suburbs.

One thing they could do that would help would be to get rid of the HOV lanes. Those increase congestion.

Widening the 270 spurs - the interface where 270 meets the Capitol Beltway would also help a lot, as the congestion that starts there propagates up to Germantown. But the problem is that rich people live near the 270 spurs, so they won't use eminent domain there, just along the beltway in silver spring where middle class and poor people live.

So it won't solve the problem, just make life easier for the wealthy and make it seem like help is coming as the project progresses.
 
2019-04-15 06:56:31 PM  
If your damn house is so close to the farking superhighway that an extra lane eats it up, you're lucky to have this chance to sell. That noise will shorten a lifespan by decades alone, then add in exhaust and whatnot.. GTFO now.
 
2019-04-15 06:57:59 PM  

PluckYew: They added lanes, it fixed their whole traffic problem.


Really?  No it didn't.

I am all for upgrading roads.  It's past time we did but  they should have made wider roads in the first place.
 
2019-04-15 07:00:18 PM  
If you ever drove on 66, you'd be super salty too
 
2019-04-15 07:00:34 PM  
My favorite eminent domain story is as follows.  A major highway south of me was being rebuilt.  A group of speculators bought a large amount of land where there was not going to be an intersection due to highway spacing  rules.  they bribed a politician (he was later found guilty), to change the location of the intection, thus making their land worth over a million dollars an acre.  they then sued because the eminent domain amount that was offered for the land for the actual intersection wasn't as a many millions as they said it was worth, sense they bribed the politician to make it worth much more.
 
2019-04-15 07:10:37 PM  

cyberspacedout: Widening freeways might just lead to induced demand creating more traffic congestion. It's counterintuitive, so I could see how MD government types might not understand.


That is how it has always worked in MD. By the time this expansion is complete it'll be jammed like the roads currently are.
 
2019-04-15 07:17:09 PM  

bhcompy: Eminent Domain was made for these kind of cases(public good).  You get fair market value for the property, so you'll be okay.


Fair market value? Lol.  My family had personal experience with eminent domain when they lost their farm to the State so the state could build a community college on it.  Granted this was the 60s, maybe times have changed.
 
2019-04-15 07:23:19 PM  

thorpe: cyberspacedout: Widening freeways might just lead to induced demand creating more traffic congestion. It's counterintuitive, so I could see how MD government types might not understand.

That is how it has always worked in MD. By the time this expansion is complete it'll be jammed like the roads currently are.


So you're saying they would understand, if they learned from their history?

[pause for laughter]
 
2019-04-15 07:25:02 PM  
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2019-04-15 07:29:17 PM  
"But the plans were on display..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well, the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard."
 
2019-04-15 07:32:01 PM  
Another story for you.  In Houston when the West Belt was expanded to the Beltway 8 toll road on the east side was all commercial development included a couple of large factories.  On the west side was empty pasture.  What would be the wise choice to purchase for expansion?  Why the expensive commercial properties, of course!

See, some local politicians(D) had bought up the farm land before the expansion was announced to the public and the value skyrocketed because if you wanted a commercial development in the area that required more than a (compared to before) sliver of land you had to building on the west side.
 
2019-04-15 07:40:17 PM  

mongbiohazard: PluckYew: Flashfyr3: groppet: Well ill only worry if they decide to make the road 3 miles wide at 270. But even then I doubt it would help.

My wife's family is in Frederick. You ain't kidding.

I used to commute from Frederick to Rockville.  That was like 35 miles took about an hour.  Now I live in a Portland, OR suburb, 14 miles takes an hour.  FML

When I used to commute on 270 from Germantown to Bethesda - a much shorter trip - it took me 1 -1/2 to 2 1/2 hours each way, each day. For weeks at a time I'd be spending up to 5 hours a day in my car just coming and going from work.


It's a moo point, but the MARC would have been good for that.

I took the MARC from Frederick to Rockville.   No way I was doing 270.
 
2019-04-15 07:42:44 PM  

caljar: My favorite eminent domain story is as follows.  A major highway south of me was being rebuilt.  A group of speculators bought a large amount of land where there was not going to be an intersection due to highway spacing  rules.  they bribed a politician (he was later found guilty), to change the location of the intection, thus making their land worth over a million dollars an acre.  they then sued because the eminent domain amount that was offered for the land for the actual intersection wasn't as a many millions as they said it was worth, sense they bribed the politician to make it worth much more.


I'm not even sure that's a crime anymore.
 
2019-04-15 07:45:32 PM  

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I read that book when I was a teenager and did not see the point of it. I need to reread it now as an adult.

The Long Walk is still one of my favorites.
 
2019-04-15 07:50:12 PM  
Almost seems like unlimited breeding has consequences.
 
2019-04-15 07:59:43 PM  

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It's Rowsdower!

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2019-04-15 08:01:13 PM  
Well, we've all seen how well eminent domain worked out for the first nation tribes. I'm sure it will be fine.
 
2019-04-15 08:10:28 PM  

born_yesterday: mongbiohazard: PluckYew: Flashfyr3: groppet: Well ill only worry if they decide to make the road 3 miles wide at 270. But even then I doubt it would help.

My wife's family is in Frederick. You ain't kidding.

I used to commute from Frederick to Rockville.  That was like 35 miles took about an hour.  Now I live in a Portland, OR suburb, 14 miles takes an hour.  FML

When I used to commute on 270 from Germantown to Bethesda - a much shorter trip - it took me 1 -1/2 to 2 1/2 hours each way, each day. For weeks at a time I'd be spending up to 5 hours a day in my car just coming and going from work.

It's a moo point, but the MARC would have been good for that.

I took the MARC from Frederick to Rockville.   No way I was doing 270.


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2019-04-15 08:36:54 PM  

rnatalie: "But the plans were on display..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well, the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard."


This made my heart happy. Thank you.
 
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2019-04-15 08:53:48 PM  

Explodo: Toll lanes just mean your government has given up doing it's farking job.


But without Toll lanes, who will keep the dirty poor with dirty cars from contaminating more pure (and rich) areas?  I'm sure restaurants will all be using robotic staff soon, so the argument of 'needing workers' will no longer be needed and we can keep our neat areas neat, without even the sight of a dirty poor...

( /s if needed)
 
2019-04-15 09:04:04 PM  
I hear Reverse Mortgages can make things messy.
 
2019-04-15 09:19:06 PM  
Per TFA, 34 homes.

fark em. Tear em down.

/fark 270 too
//fark 495
///fark 66
////fark 395
/5 fark 295
/6 fark the 25 mph limit in dc
 
2019-04-15 09:26:21 PM  
Down-county residents get farked by the govt they voted in which normally runs roughshod over us up-county residents?

I'm okay with this.
 
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