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(Reuters)   Lyft removing its electrically-assisted ride-sharing bicycles from several major cities amid complaints that they were great for getting you where you wanted to go; just not so hot at stopping once you got there   (reuters.com) divider line
    More: Fail, New York City, San Francisco Bay Area, electric bikes, NEW YORK, bike-share program, Blog, small number of reports, Citi Bike  
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1407 clicks; posted to Main » on 15 Apr 2019 at 10:43 AM (9 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2019-04-15 10:12:34 AM  
You know what would be nice with Lyft Bikes? Some biking infrastructure would be nice.
Is there not some legal liability for providing a toy to play in traffic?
 
2019-04-15 10:48:00 AM  
Too strong of front brakes on a bike is a REAL problem. If they had said rear brakes I would shrug it off and say that they're just not used to an assisted brake but too strong on the front brake will lead to a potentially serious accident including broken limbs and head trauma.
 
2019-04-15 10:50:32 AM  
Management: "We want sturdy bikes that don't break".
Engineering: "Odd request, but sure, here you go".
 
2019-04-15 10:51:53 AM  

robodog: Too strong of front brakes on a bike is a REAL problem. If they had said rear brakes I would shrug it off and say that they're just not used to an assisted brake but too strong on the front brake will lead to a potentially serious accident including broken limbs and head trauma.


Use the front brake or break your front.
 
2019-04-15 10:52:28 AM  
They still got em in Woolloomooloo, though, right?

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2019-04-15 10:52:45 AM  
No tricycles? I heard they are safer.
 
2019-04-15 10:57:24 AM  
Well, there goes my plan to take an electric Lyft bike to the hospital.
 
2019-04-15 10:58:26 AM  
Fark all the electric bikes and scooters.

They are a nuisance here at the beach.

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2019-04-15 11:01:48 AM  
On electric bikes you do NOT want to use just the front brake. You need to use both front and back. Also, if they designed them properly, squeezing the front should cut off the motor entirely. I've owned four electric bikes, and commuted by electric bike for over a decade. Every one had this front-brake cutoff switch. If the brake engages and the motor doesn't disengage, you can end up with worn brakes or a broken skull if the bike is rear-wheel powered (not all are. Some have the motor on the front wheel, some on the rear.)

Also, as with the rented scooters, the average (possibly drunken) joe shouldn't be allowed to just hop on without a lesson in controlling them. They aren't like a manual bike. There's a different control "feel" to them, and being able to squeeze the throttle (on one that isn't just pedal-assist) and instantly start going 25 mph is not something the average bike rider is used to. They're a hybrid of motorcycle and bicycle control. You can't take corners with them like you do a normal bike. You can't rely on the throttle entirely like you do a motorcycle or moped. The braking is also still just manual and that handles differently, too, when you have an electric motor pushing the thing instead of your legs.

I love electric bikes, but they aren't just toys you can hop on and be safe without a little lesson and some understanding that the rules are a little different.
 
2019-04-15 11:06:54 AM  
This would be a good place/time to review the geometry and algebra you thought you would never use.
Then we can go on to the OMYGOD! physics. With arrows and shiat.
 
2019-04-15 11:08:16 AM  
Next they'll take away our shopping carts.

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2019-04-15 11:09:58 AM  
I rented one in Santa Monica and did not have a problem. Seemed pretty intuitive for a normal sober person.
 
2019-04-15 11:23:55 AM  

WilderKWight: On electric bikes you do NOT want to use just the front brake. You need to use both front and back. Also, if they designed them properly, squeezing the front should cut off the motor entirely. I've owned four electric bikes, and commuted by electric bike for over a decade. Every one had this front-brake cutoff switch. If the brake engages and the motor doesn't disengage, you can end up with worn brakes or a broken skull if the bike is rear-wheel powered (not all are. Some have the motor on the front wheel, some on the rear.)

Also, as with the rented scooters, the average (possibly drunken) joe shouldn't be allowed to just hop on without a lesson in controlling them. They aren't like a manual bike. There's a different control "feel" to them, and being able to squeeze the throttle (on one that isn't just pedal-assist) and instantly start going 25 mph is not something the average bike rider is used to. They're a hybrid of motorcycle and bicycle control. You can't take corners with them like you do a normal bike. You can't rely on the throttle entirely like you do a motorcycle or moped. The braking is also still just manual and that handles differently, too, when you have an electric motor pushing the thing instead of your legs.

I love electric bikes, but they aren't just toys you can hop on and be safe without a little lesson and some understanding that the rules are a little different.


"You have to get a car that handles really well. This is extremely important, and there's a lot of debate on this subject - about what kind of car handles best. Some say a front-engined car; some say a rear-engined car. I say a rented car. Nothing handles better than a rented car. You can go faster, turn corners sharper, and put the transmission into reverse while going forward at a higher rate of speed in a rented car than in any other kind."

How to Drive Fast on Drugs While Getting Your Wing-Wang Squeezed and Not Spill Your Drink

P.J. O'Rourke - 1986
 
2019-04-15 11:46:27 AM  
Theres also the whole not making a profit part
 
2019-04-15 12:22:31 PM  
The people that ride them are insufferable assholes that treat the sidewalk as their own.
 
2019-04-15 12:23:16 PM  
Ford GoBikes -- the Pinto of electric cycling.
 
2019-04-15 01:39:28 PM  

BigChad: Fark all the electric bikes and scooters.

They are a nuisance here at the beach.


If they were typically parked in neat lines and somewhat out of the way, they might not be as reviled.

We had a company ("Lime"?) drop a few hundred in random spots in our little beach community - no approach to City Hall, no local business license. I'm sure they felt it was a masterstroke of "guerilla marketing" or some other BS. Of course they picked one of the weekends where the city offices are closed on Friday, for maximum impact. Well, they got it. Concerned citizens gathered them and dropped them at the police station - as one should do with lost items - and come Monday, the Mayor sent the company a letter asking them to please come collect their property, as storage is limited. There was also a paragraph about the city not yet having a policy on electric scooters and how recent events would likely be taken into account when formulating one. I like our Mayor.
 
2019-04-15 02:20:04 PM  
"I will stop at nothing to reach my objective,
But only because my brakes are defective."
 
2019-04-15 02:26:04 PM  

undernova: I rented one in Santa Monica and did not have a problem. Seemed pretty intuitive for a normal sober person.


What's a normal sober person doing on Fark?
 
2019-04-15 04:08:06 PM  
No disk rotor on the rear wheel on the image in the article. Bad design for an E-bike.
 
2019-04-15 06:19:45 PM  

robodog: Too strong of front brakes on a bike is a REAL problem. If they had said rear brakes I would shrug it off and say that they're just not used to an assisted brake but too strong on the front brake will lead to a potentially serious accident including broken limbs and head trauma.


As an avid bicyclist and a manager of bicycle shops for 20 years, 20 years ago I have to chime in.  There is some skill involved in cycling.  On any Bicycle worth anything at all you cannot merely grab the front brake as hard as possible and think that is proper technique.  Different pavement conditions, steering and weight distribution are very important considerations.  Also don't assume that full speed is always a safe speed.  Operate error is not a manufacturers error.
 
2019-04-15 06:38:13 PM  
Kinda top heavy even with out the basket full

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Basket should be on rear

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or while braking

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2019-04-16 08:30:33 AM  

mudpants: Kinda top heavy even with out the basket full

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Basket should be on rear

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2019-04-16 08:32:50 AM  

mudpants: robodog: Too strong of front brakes on a bike is a REAL problem. If they had said rear brakes I would shrug it off and say that they're just not used to an assisted brake but too strong on the front brake will lead to a potentially serious accident including broken limbs and head trauma.

As an avid bicyclist and a manager of bicycle shops for 20 years, 20 years ago I have to chime in.  There is some skill involved in cycling.  On any Bicycle worth anything at all you cannot merely grab the front brake as hard as possible and think that is proper technique.  Different pavement conditions, steering and weight distribution are very important considerations.  Also don't assume that full speed is always a safe speed.  Operate error is not a manufacturers error.


No operator error represented here. Manufacturer is not erroneous.
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