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2019-04-15 07:24:30 AM  
I remember years ago, in a much harsher, crueler Fark, someone posted a link to the Great White concert in Providence. And not to the beginning where nothing is happening and they're tuning guitars, but right to the nightmarish parts. I clicked and watched for like five seconds while my brain tried to figure out what it was. That shiat haunted me for days.

I just don't get why you'd want to watch the video enough for there to be a demand for it. But, then again I live in this world, so it shouldn't surprise me. Good for the authorities for prosecuting it and trying to keep this trash from getting any fame.
 
2019-04-15 08:15:34 AM  
I'm uncomfortable with the idea of having a government "chief censor."

I'm much much more uncomfortable with the kind of people who seem to be behind sharing this video.

The entire thing sucks.
 
2019-04-15 08:24:53 AM  
"teenager is charged with sharing the livestream video with the caption "target acquired."

Classy
 
2019-04-15 08:27:39 AM  
New Zealand apparently isn't farking around when it comes to White Nationalism.
 
2019-04-15 08:27:46 AM  
For those who exclaim, "but mah freedom" I put sharing this video in the same category as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.

The only reason you'd share this video is to cause harm.
 
2019-04-15 08:30:05 AM  

holdmybones: I remember years ago, in a much harsher, crueler Fark, someone posted a link to the Great White concert in Providence. And not to the beginning where nothing is happening and they're tuning guitars, but right to the nightmarish parts. I clicked and watched for like five seconds while my brain tried to figure out what it was. That shiat haunted me for days.

I just don't get why you'd want to watch the video enough for there to be a demand for it. But, then again I live in this world, so it shouldn't surprise me. Good for the authorities for prosecuting it and trying to keep this trash from getting any fame.


All for government censorship huh? Sorry, but as much as I would never want to see it, having a person(s) sitting in DC telling me, and all citizens, what we can watch because it does or doesn't meet their standards doesn't work for me. I get that this is another country and that's their business but not here.
 
2019-04-15 08:30:44 AM  

Boojum2k: I'm uncomfortable with the idea of having a government "chief censor."

I'm much much more uncomfortable with the kind of people who seem to be behind sharing this video.

The entire thing sucks.


Well put
 
2019-04-15 08:33:17 AM  

Reverend J: For those who exclaim, "but mah freedom" I put sharing this video in the same category as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.

The only reason you'd share this video is to cause harm.


Or to use it as training as a real life example of what happens in a mass shooting.
But I'm sure giving someone 14 years for sharing it won't at all fan the flames of anti-government sentiment.
 
2019-04-15 08:33:49 AM  

Reverend J: For those who exclaim, "but mah freedom" I put sharing this video in the same category as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.

The only reason you'd share this video is to cause harm.


You're wrong.

*FALSELY* yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater is likely to cause injury or perhaps even death in the panic to escape.  Of course, if there really is a fire in the theater, it's your duty to let everyone know so they can escape.  That part, about falsely yelling "Fire!" is often left out.

This is just posting something that's in poor taste.  No one is going to be trampled by it.  No one is going to suffer an actual physical injury because of it.

So your analogy is completely worthless.
 
2019-04-15 08:34:56 AM  
"The charge of supplying or distributing objectionable material carries a penalty of up to 14 years in prison."

Yeesh; I thought hobbit land was supposed to be a laid back and easygoing place.
 
2019-04-15 08:36:31 AM  
Absolutely ban this kind of stuff.  No one needs to see this.
And photos of the Holocaust.  No one needs to see that either.
And reports of crime.  Not needed.
Or war.  Not needed either.
Now that folks are going to jail for passing along information crime will go back to zero.
 
2019-04-15 08:37:58 AM  

holdmybones: Yeah, I don't agree with that.


You must be a fascist, then.
 
2019-04-15 08:38:02 AM  

dittybopper: Reverend J: For those who exclaim, "but mah freedom" I put sharing this video in the same category as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.

The only reason you'd share this video is to cause harm.

You're wrong.

*FALSELY* yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater is likely to cause injury or perhaps even death in the panic to escape.  Of course, if there really is a fire in the theater, it's your duty to let everyone know so they can escape.  That part, about falsely yelling "Fire!" is often left out.

This is just posting something that's in poor taste.  No one is going to be trampled by it.  No one is going to suffer an actual physical injury because of it.

So your analogy is completely worthless.


No one is got hurt from fanning the flames of bigotry? There are 50 people who would disagree with you if they could.
 
2019-04-15 08:39:29 AM  

dittybopper: holdmybones: Yeah, I don't agree with that.

You must be a fascist, then.


Weren't you defending Hitler's right to a capitalized name the other day?

Dial it the Fark down, beavis.
 
2019-04-15 08:40:45 AM  

dittybopper: This is not what free countries do. This is what fascist dictatorships do. Literally.


How do you feel about governments which kill their citizens? Like America does but New Zealand doesn't.
 
2019-04-15 08:40:54 AM  

holdmybones: I just don't get why you'd want to watch the video enough for there to be a demand for it.


Not everyone is as sensitive. I think it's mostly curiosity that makes people seek out this kind of material.  In the end this is still evidence of whatever crime or tragedy is involved and some people just want to see it for themselves.
While I haven't seen the whole of the video in question, and don't care to, I'm more alarmed by the fact that people are going to jail for hosting it.  Historically the internet has been able to serve all sorts of terrible content, and not just videos of shuttle explosions or people falling from WTC but truly graphic stuff. Some sites even made a business of it.
The internet was a place for the free exchange of information and ideas, which meant bad things would often be trafficked alongside the good. With few exceptions the network was extremely tolerant.
This attack, while horrific and tragic, is being treated as if its something that has to be covered up. Like its a state secret or something to be forgotten.
While that alone is questionable business, The act of arresting people for hosting video seems antithetical to the underpinning ideal of an information freeway in a free society.  Especially when large corporations got away with no penalty for carrying it live.
The top down control of information by governments should be as alarming as any terrorist attack.

/Old internet would have been outraged at the idea that this could happen.
/New internet embraces censorship and the heavy handed tactics needed to enforce it.
/At least it will, up until the boots come for them.
 
2019-04-15 08:42:30 AM  

Reverend J: No one is got hurt from fanning the flames of bigotry? There are 50 people who would disagree with you if they could.


Sharing what happened after the fact is in poor taste, but doesn't actually harm anyone.

Do you not see the potential for harm that is inherent in punishing people for having unpopular political views?   Do you not see how this was done in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, and how it's done today in places like the People's Republic of China and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

The antidote to speech you abhor is more speech, not less.
 
2019-04-15 08:44:50 AM  

dittybopper: This is just posting something that's in poor taste.


The guy filmed his massacre to encourage your fellow conservatives to follow his example.

White nationalism is a movement. This is not an isolated incident.
 
2019-04-15 08:45:28 AM  
Just 4 teenagers sharing the video?

So New Zealand has still not discovered 4chan?  Man are they in for a rude awakening.
 
2019-04-15 08:52:40 AM  

jaytkay: dittybopper: This is just posting something that's in poor taste.

The guy filmed his massacre to encourage your fellow conservatives to follow his example.

White nationalism is a movement. This is not an isolated incident.


And any number of other white nationalists committed their crimes for the same purpose of "inspiring others to rise up and begin the race war".

The photos of the results of their atrocities inspire horror in 96% of humanity, and document those crimes in a way that is difficult to deny.

I say "difficult" and not "impossible" because even now, people deny the Holocaust, despite the overwhelming evidence. Twenty years from now, people will deny this mass murder ever occurred, and who will be able to demonstrate otherwise?
 
2019-04-15 08:57:34 AM  
This is why the Second Amendment is right behind the First. You can say that guns have free speech's back.
 
2019-04-15 09:00:54 AM  

Boojum2k: I'm uncomfortable with the idea of having a government "chief censor."

I'm much much more uncomfortable with the kind of people who seem to be behind sharing this video.

The entire thing sucks.


Eh.  As I've gotten older I went from being vehemently opposed to any sort of censorship to not caring.  All societies self-regulate on certain levels, with the most obvious being anything intending harm to others.  Some limpdick peckerwoods gotta try to weaponize footage of tragedy to traumatize others, well there you go.  Is it something that if the government is going to be involved in then it requires constant overwatch and regular questioning of authority?  Yes.  So is every other aspect of life and government.  That's just part and parcel of a working society.  "But what if?  What if?  What if?"  Yeah, well, that's true of everything the government touches.  What if, indeed.  Gotta stay vigilant, and kick some feds in the dick from time to time if need be.  Because we know "What if" we don't do shiat.  We get the aforementioned micro-penis losers using shiat like this as the new rick roll.  Lolbertarian anarchy is utopian bullshiat and has consistently failed just as thoroughly as trickle down economics.

No matter how stupid I find some of the people I argue with on Fark, and no matter the relative merits of drunken Fark arguments vs any sort of actual intellectual discussion/commentators, the truth of the matter is that as ridiculously sad as it is, folks here are pretty much mostly above average.

Which, again, is terrible.

But you know what's worse?  What's worse is that of those average people who are even dumber, by sheer math 50% of everyone is even dumber than them.  And those are the people you'd rather trust to maintain society out of fear of "What if" and an unwillingness to regulate the regulators as need be.

Are many governments full of equal levels of dumbassery?  Yes.  And it is far and away past time that we had a good old fashioned round of kicking their dicks into innies over it.  But that's no reason to throw up our hand and say that nothing can be done about anything.  That just means that WE need to start doing our job, so they do their job.  That's the only thing that keeps a society working.
 
2019-04-15 09:02:08 AM  
aagrajag:

And any number of other white nationalists committed their crimes for the same purpose of "inspiring others to rise up and begin the race war".

Manson was trying to start a war too, wasn't he? (thinking of examples, not just recent ones)
 
2019-04-15 09:02:33 AM  

orclover: Just 4 teenagers sharing the video?

So New Zealand has still not discovered 4chan?  Man are they in for a rude awakening.


I believe they attempted tocban that as well.
 
2019-04-15 09:12:35 AM  
Man, this thread y'all stoopid.
 
2019-04-15 09:13:01 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Man, this thread y'all stoopid.


ARGHHHGHGHHHHHHGHGGGHgghghhgh
 
2019-04-15 09:14:24 AM  

holdmybones: Mike_LowELL: Man, this thread y'all stoopid.

ARGHHHGHGHHHHHHGHGGGHgghghhgh


Smartest post so far in this thread.  Keep up the good work.
 
2019-04-15 09:15:45 AM  

jaytkay: dittybopper: This is just posting something that's in poor taste.

The guy filmed his massacre to encourage your fellow conservatives to follow his example.

White nationalism is a movement. This is not an isolated incident.


And?

He also posted this just prior to his attack:

Won't your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights in the New Zealand?
The gun owners of New Zealand are a beaten, miserable bunch of baby boomers, who have long since given up the fight.When was the last time they won increased rights? Their loss was inevitable.I just accelerated things a bit.
They had long since lost their cities, take a look at Auckland. Did you really expect they would not also lose their rights?


And because posting that is banned in New Zealand, I would expect that this cartoon would be also:

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2019-04-15 09:16:05 AM  
 Thankfully New Zealand doesn't have to abide by what some fat assed 2nd Amendment Trumphumper raging on FarK has to say. It's their country, they make the rules. Deal with it.
 
2019-04-15 09:16:20 AM  

aungen: aagrajag:

And any number of other white nationalists committed their crimes for the same purpose of "inspiring others to rise up and begin the race war".

Manson was trying to start a war too, wasn't he? (thinking of examples, not just recent ones)


He was. It didn't work, though. It never seems to work.
 
2019-04-15 09:35:05 AM  
I'm all for handing out 14 year sentences in jail for sharing child porn.  But a government having a chief censor is kinda not cool.
 
2019-04-15 09:36:13 AM  

dittybopper: This is not what free countries do.  This is what fascist dictatorships do.  Literally.


Unrestricted freedom of speech is just another tool of white supremacy.  It is joined by the electoral college and capitalism as some of the most dangerous poisons the united states has shat into this world.
 
2019-04-15 09:43:25 AM  

Pert: What you should be arguing about is whether this falls into the category which should be banned or not.


Yep.  Everything seems so out of whack these days.  There's no sense of "degrees".  Opinions, discussions, decisions, etc. have become so binary.  It's disheartening.
 
2019-04-15 09:45:34 AM  

Insertwitty Namehere: dittybopper: This is not what free countries do.  This is what fascist dictatorships do.  Literally.

Unrestricted freedom of speech is just another tool of white supremacy.  It is joined by the electoral college and capitalism as some of the most dangerous poisons the united states has shat into this world.


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2019-04-15 09:47:30 AM  
I'm a first amendment extremist.  I do not like the government censoring anything other than kiddie porn (I like the other parts of the first amendment too, such as freedom of religion and freedom to associate).  I'm glad I live in a country where the government simply can't do this sort of thing.
 
2019-04-15 09:48:25 AM  

Reverend J: For those who exclaim, "but mah freedom" I put sharing this video in the same category as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.

The only reason you'd share this video is to cause harm.


I certainly could be used for radicalizing people.

Or it could be used to convince casual pro-gun people just how horrible assault weapons can be.  I wish I could unsee it but I also wish that every gun loving friend I have would be FORCED to watch it to re-evaluate their position on reasonable 2nd Amendment limitations.
 
2019-04-15 09:49:50 AM  

orclover: Just 4 teenagers sharing the video?

So New Zealand has still not discovered 4chan?  Man are they in for a rude awakening.


You mean the site that cultivated this type of thinking? That the shooter spouted the memes of while gunning people down? The site literally cheering him on as he gunned down people? That site?

But hey. Completely unrestricted Free speech is more important than doing anything to prevent a mass shooting.
 
2019-04-15 09:51:11 AM  
I see false images and quotes on the internet all the time.  Often they are mislabeled, or taken out of contest.  One of the problems with censorship is if you ban the original content, how can people do research to try and find the truth, or context?  There are plenty of times where someone complains of a quote out of context, and I go watch the longer video or interview, and I have to agree.  This video is pure hatred, but others are not.  I don't watch gore, and never will, but censorship by it's nature will sooner or later ban something I want to see.
 
2019-04-15 09:55:59 AM  

Boojum2k: I'm uncomfortable with the idea of having a government "chief censor."

I'm much much more uncomfortable with the kind of people who seem to be behind sharing this video.

The entire thing sucks.


We're happy to send cruise missiles after people who propagandize for ISIS, how is this terrorist group any different?
 
2019-04-15 09:57:01 AM  

aagrajag: jaytkay: dittybopper: This is just posting something that's in poor taste.

The guy filmed his massacre to encourage your fellow conservatives to follow his example.

White nationalism is a movement. This is not an isolated incident.

And any number of other white nationalists committed their crimes for the same purpose of "inspiring others to rise up and begin the race war".

The photos of the results of their atrocities inspire horror in 96% of humanity, and document those crimes in a way that is difficult to deny.

I say "difficult" and not "impossible" because even now, people deny the Holocaust, despite the overwhelming evidence. Twenty years from now, people will deny this mass murder ever occurred, and who will be able to demonstrate otherwise?


For example the Civil Rights movement didn't really kick off until the national newspapers ran a graphic picture of Emit Til's bloody and beaten body.

On top of that I know several people who just watch gtaphic out of morbid curiosity. And it's nothing new, their has been Faces of Death videos since VHS, Rotton.com was one of the first sites I ever saw and as mention previosly newspaper use to print much more graphic pictures.

I think if there is video of any historic event, it should be made public.
 
2019-04-15 09:58:56 AM  

Geotpf: I'm a first amendment extremist.  I do not like the government censoring anything other than kiddie porn (I like the other parts of the first amendment too, such as freedom of religion and freedom to associate).  I'm glad I live in a country where the government simply can't do this sort of thing.


Pretty much my take as well.
Kiddie porn is about the only exception.
Find 'em kill 'em.
Everything else goes.
 
2019-04-15 10:00:42 AM  
Hey, all rights have exceptions, so what's even the big deal about the government deciding what you're allowed to see and hear??
 
2019-04-15 10:12:34 AM  

thatboyoverthere: But hey. Completely unrestricted Free speech is more important than doing anything to prevent a mass shooting.


Your right, it is more important.  By far.   Wise of you to recognize that.
 
2019-04-15 10:16:58 AM  
I've seen the video and would not recommend it.

I've literally watched 100s of disturbing videos (beheadings, firing squads, ISIS torture, etc.) and for some reason this one really stuck with me.  Perhaps it was the first person perspective of the massacre or the fact that the victims were people simply praying, but for whatever reason it has haunted me.

Don't watch it if you haven't already.
 
2019-04-15 10:25:23 AM  
I don't like governmental censorship. Period. But I *am* for de-platforming people that use social media to spread lies and hatred. Furthermore, if these assholes should accidentally fall down some stairs, I'd have absolutely zero pity.
 
2019-04-15 10:28:40 AM  

sugar_fetus: Insertwitty Namehere: dittybopper: This is not what free countries do.  This is what fascist dictatorships do.  Literally.

Unrestricted freedom of speech is just another tool of white supremacy.  It is joined by the electoral college and capitalism as some of the most dangerous poisons the united states has shat into this world.

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I've met people who will seriously say things like this.  It's like they're perfectly ok with fascism, but it needs to be the right kind of fascism.
You can see how Germany or Venezuela could stumble into the messes they did, because someone relabeled authoritarianism as progress and just let it ride all the way down a rabbit hole.

/one day its all "our country, our rules".
/the next its "Oh God we didn't know so many could die, send food, send troops!".
 
2019-04-15 10:30:30 AM  

8 inches: I've seen the video and would not recommend it.

I've literally watched 100s of disturbing videos (beheadings, firing squads, ISIS torture, etc.) and for some reason this one really stuck with me.  Perhaps it was the first person perspective of the massacre or the fact that the victims were people simply praying, but for whatever reason it has haunted me.

Don't watch it if you haven't already.


I tend to agree with your evaluation, but I prefer the freedom to choose whether or not to view such material rather than government deciding for me.  The video certainly could inflame already what most believe are highly offensive viewpoints, but it also can serve as a training device for police, security, and even the general public on how to respond or not respond to a mass shooting.  It also can serve as a strong benefit potentially to the gun control movement or discredit opponents of gun control.

The video in question shows the real consequences of firearms ownership in the general public.  The freedom to wield such weapons means that some will use them for criminal purposes and the consequences of that choice by society.  Merely stating the grim statistics of a mass shooting event isn't nearly as powerful as seeing the horror of what those statistics actually mean.  Again, I would generally advocate against viewing such video for the sensitive, but I do think there are legitimate uses that justify allowing it to be viewed.
 
2019-04-15 10:34:21 AM  
This is fascism. You can't legislate morality. People have the right to be idiots.
 
2019-04-15 10:38:29 AM  

AwfulObject: I don't like governmental censorship. Period. But I *am* for de-platforming people that use social media to spread lies and hatred. Furthermore, if these assholes should accidentally fall down some stairs, I'd have absolutely zero pity.


There is a huge difference between de-platforming people by banning them from using certain social media sites, and jailing people for years for reposting things anywhere.
 
2019-04-15 10:40:53 AM  

dittybopper: Reverend J: For those who exclaim, "but mah freedom" I put sharing this video in the same category as yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.

The only reason you'd share this video is to cause harm.

You're wrong.

*FALSELY* yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater is likely to cause injury or perhaps even death in the panic to escape.  Of course, if there really is a fire in the theater, it's your duty to let everyone know so they can escape.  That part, about falsely yelling "Fire!" is often left out.

This is just posting something that's in poor taste.  No one is going to be trampled by it.  No one is going to suffer an actual physical injury because of it.

So your analogy is completely worthless.


Thank you for telling us what the unsaid, implied statement was. Next time I'm sitting in a theater when it's on fire, I'll remember this and know that it is ok to tell other people the theater is on fire.
 
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