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(Time)   It has been eight years since the Fukushima nuclear disaster. Officials: Well, I suppose we should start to clean up all this crap   (time.com) divider line
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2019-04-15 04:51:51 PM  
I suppose so. But you misspelled "carp".
 
2019-04-15 05:09:38 PM  
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2019-04-15 05:11:38 PM  
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2019-04-15 05:12:52 PM  
Well, TMI was only a partial meltdown that was fully contained and it took from March of 79 till October of 85 till they started to remove fuel, so yeah when you have 3 reactors that are toast and 2 of them done blew up I think 8 years is probably moving along briskly.
 
2019-04-15 05:15:44 PM  
Sure is a good thing we shelved those molten thorium salt breeder reactors that cannot melt down.   Yep, that was a good idea.
 
2019-04-15 05:17:48 PM  
Why don't they just put a party tent over it like Chernobyl?
 
2019-04-15 05:24:23 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Why don't they just put a party tent over it like Chernobyl?


I can't wait for that HBO miniseries to drop.
 
2019-04-15 05:26:22 PM  
Last I had heard, it took them a couple of years to build a robot even capable of withstanding the heat/radiation inside some sections of the plant.
 
2019-04-15 05:27:47 PM  

Stud Gerbil: Sure is a good thing we shelved those molten thorium salt breeder reactors that cannot melt down.   Yep, that was a good idea.


Or those pebble-bed reactors that don't require water for cooling at all.  Yep, no way we needed those at all.
 
2019-04-15 05:29:00 PM  

Driedsponge: Last I had heard, it took them a couple of years to build a robot even capable of withstanding the heat/radiation inside some sections of the plant.


Makes sense, I can't imagine a motor would last long against the heat those things would generate.  That said, I have no idea how they're going to get the melted fuel out.
 
2019-04-15 05:29:51 PM  

Comic Book Guy: Stud Gerbil: Sure is a good thing we shelved those molten thorium salt breeder reactors that cannot melt down.   Yep, that was a good idea.

Or those pebble-bed reactors that don't require water for cooling at all.  Yep, no way we needed those at all.


But your hippie-dippy reactors don't create the nasty byproducts we need to build nuclear weapons.
 
2019-04-15 05:31:42 PM  
We have mops and many plastic bags. The clean up is almost complete.

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2019-04-15 05:33:27 PM  
History repeats its self.

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2019-04-15 05:39:27 PM  
not 2 threadjack but Paris is up in flames

/or something
 
2019-04-15 05:46:19 PM  
Koko kara deteike, Stakaru!
 
2019-04-15 05:53:53 PM  
They should just admit the mutant infestation slowed down cleanup work.
 
2019-04-15 05:54:01 PM  

Comic Book Guy: Stud Gerbil: Sure is a good thing we shelved those molten thorium salt breeder reactors that cannot melt down.   Yep, that was a good idea.

Or those pebble-bed reactors that don't require water for cooling at all.  Yep, no way we needed those at all.


IIRC, pebble-bed reactors can be a potential source of radioactive dust as bits of the ceramic sphere flake off or if spheres become lodged in the feeding system.  Both were issues at the test PBR in Germany.
 
2019-04-15 05:59:32 PM  

uncleacid: History repeats its self.

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Nature points out the folly of Man?
 
2019-04-15 06:10:47 PM  
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2019-04-15 06:32:48 PM  

Comic Book Guy: That said, I have no idea how they're going to get the melted fuel out.


With TMI (and any other reactor) you want to wait some years for at least some of the decay heat to decline. The reactor at TMI was pretty much intact so from what I remember reading they flooded the entire containment building just as they would do with any refueling. They took the top off the reactor and used really long tools (sets of tongs) to break up pieces of the fuel and put it in shielded casks. Then the fuel was shipped... somewhere and buried.
 
2019-04-15 06:35:30 PM  
One recent aerial photo showed all those tanks of radioactive cooling water the Japanese have been storing because there is nowhere to put it. Have they figured out what they'll do with that? Best solution might be to pump the water into a few large barges, tow it out somewhere the Pacific is very deep, and sink them.
 
2019-04-15 07:06:04 PM  

mrmopar5287: One recent aerial photo showed all those tanks of radioactive cooling water the Japanese have been storing because there is nowhere to put it. Have they figured out what they'll do with that? Best solution might be to pump the water into a few large barges, tow it out somewhere the Pacific is very deep, and sink them.


Actually, most of it should just be pumped out into the Pacific Ocean.  If you do it right, it will not hurt anything.  Bad for PR, but not really harmful.
 
2019-04-15 07:12:09 PM  

tricycleracer: But your hippie-dippy reactors don't create the nasty byproducts we need to build nuclear weapons.


The TEPCO and US reactors don't make fuel for nuclear weapons either.  In order to get usable Pu-239 for nuclear weapons you have to cycle the fuel out of the reactor on a regular basis.  Japan and the US don't do that.  We leave the same fuel in there for years and the Pu-239 gets kicked up to Pu-240 which is useless.  Sure, there's a bit of Pu-239 in there but you can't easily extract it from the Pu-240.
 
2019-04-15 07:20:46 PM  

caljar: mrmopar5287: One recent aerial photo showed all those tanks of radioactive cooling water the Japanese have been storing because there is nowhere to put it. Have they figured out what they'll do with that? Best solution might be to pump the water into a few large barges, tow it out somewhere the Pacific is very deep, and sink them.

Actually, most of it should just be pumped out into the Pacific Ocean.  If you do it right, it will not hurt anything.  Bad for PR, but not really harmful.


Yes, but pumped far enough from shore to dilute and disperse. And that leaves whatever vessel used to carry the water contaminated enough that it needs disposal, so...

Easiest and cheapest option is some barges that are then sunk with explosives.
 
2019-04-15 07:42:50 PM  
makes me yern 4 the psychdelic glowinthedark chernobyl 🍄s i red @

/antideluvian
 
2019-04-15 08:48:40 PM  
Pee on it, save water.
/See other thread
//Pee
 
2019-04-15 08:55:28 PM  

swamp_of_dumb: uncleacid: History repeats its self.

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Nature points out the folly of Man?


... Woman inherits the earth.
 
2019-04-15 10:02:19 PM  
Most of the detritus has reached the shores of Alaska, British Columbia, the American Mainland, Mexico, Peru or Chile by now, hasn't it?

There are whole new species around the Ring of Fire.
 
2019-04-15 11:57:16 PM  

caljar: Bad for PR, but not really harmful.


Plastics in the ocean = bad, radioactive water = harmless. Got it.
 
2019-04-16 12:59:51 AM  

tricycleracer: Comic Book Guy: Stud Gerbil: Sure is a good thing we shelved those molten thorium salt breeder reactors that cannot melt down.   Yep, that was a good idea.

Or those pebble-bed reactors that don't require water for cooling at all.  Yep, no way we needed those at all.

But your hippie-dippy reactors don't create the nasty byproducts we need to build nuclear weapons.


I'm still curious the actual reasons that tech is so lethargically developed.  The excuse is always "oh the hippies" who somehow can't stop Texas City from exploding, any republican oil man from getting everything he ever wanted, or really have any political power at all.  I just don't find that convincing.
 
2019-04-16 09:19:05 AM  

DecemberNitro: caljar: Bad for PR, but not really harmful.

Plastics in the ocean = bad, radioactive water = harmless. Got it.


yep.   All US commercial reactors use water as shielding.  it works great.  so, the only worry is to not let it concentrate in any animals, so spread it out.  and, there is billions of pounds more plastic trash than there is radioactive waste.
 
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