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(ZDNet)   The Linux desktop is in trouble. This is not a repeat from every single year since Linux first came out   (zdnet.com) divider line
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
5 days ago  
Of course it's not a repeat since forever. Year 0 Linux did not have a desktop. It had a shell.
 
5 days ago  

ZAZ: Of course it's not a repeat since forever. Year 0 Linux did not have a desktop. It had a shell.


I started using it a out a year after it came out and X11 was already available.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
5 days ago  
enry

If memory serves, Linux was unveiled soon after it booted to a shell, before it was a useful system. I saw it at that stage but didn't use it until c. 1993.
 
5 days ago  

ZAZ: enry

If memory serves, Linux was unveiled soon after it booted to a shell, before it was a useful system. I saw it at that stage but didn't use it until c. 1993.


True, it was just a kernel.  But most of GNU was ported fairly quickly.  I started using it in the summer of '92 and I'm pretty sure it had X already available or shortly after as I remember playing Xtank with my roommates.
 
5 days ago  
I use Linux Mint, but I really miss #! Linux; Debian based with a minimal OpenBox desktop interface that
ran excellently on downmarket hardware.
 
5 days ago  
Let's just use Budgie. Fast, slick, stays out of the way, and isn't amateurish or toylike.
 
5 days ago  
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

/ everybody loves the interjection copypasta
 
5 days ago  
Also, just use Ubuntu. Other stuff's for friggin' nerds or CIOs who don't actually have to use the software they've chosen.
 
5 days ago  

DjangoStonereaver: I use Linux Mint, but I really miss #! Linux; Debian based with a minimal OpenBox desktop interface that
ran excellently on downmarket hardware.


I used it on a fairly beefy laptop and it just worked beautifully easily the best distro I ever used. Of course like all good distros it gets discontinued and then a bunch of people try to carry it on with their own spin. Linux distros and religions have a lot in common.
 
5 days ago  

Marine1: I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

/ everybody loves the interjection copypasta


Hey guys!  We just found Richard Stallman's Fark handle!

/Has a perverse love of Stallman's butthurt over Linux
//Yes, I called it Linux.  Go clip your nasty toenails and then let's talk about it.
 
5 days ago  
I have converted most of my family's computers over to Ubuntu because Win 10 is such a clusterfark.  Win 10 ran so slow on good computers.  Running the Linux desktop makes them run so much better and with 98% of the functionality we need anyway.

We had a cheap HP streambook I bought for my kids to use.  It's a nice laptop, good battery life, touchscreen, light, but Win 10 took up almost the entire onboard hard drive space.  Put Mint on them and it works great and uses only a few gigs of space.  Win 10 is so bloated and such a resource hog it's unreal.

The only reason Win 10 exists is because most people are so computer illiterate they just use whatever comes pre-installed.
 
5 days ago  

k4mi: The only reason Win 10 exists is because most people are so computer illiterate they just use whatever comes pre-installed


You're somewhat correct there.  The computer is an appliance now.  I've been in IT for over 20 years and can run any operating system I want.  But people like my mother-in-law, sister, wife - most of the people where I work - et al, they just want to to turn it on and have it work - just like a TV.  They don't know a thing about drivers and patches and security updates.  If they are even using a PC still, they just wan it to work and don't care about anything else.
 
5 days ago  

k4mi: I have converted most of my family's computers over to Ubuntu because Win 10 is such a clusterfark.  Win 10 ran so slow on good computers.  Running the Linux desktop makes them run so much better and with 98% of the functionality we need anyway.

The only reason Win 10 exists is because most people are so computer illiterate they just use whatever comes pre-installed.


1 - 'Runs so much better, but' is the common refrain of the Linux Desktop user. Limited gaming support, mediocre driver support, no DirectX support, etc. etc.

2 - Yes and no. Windows exists because it is EASY TO USE. Shocking I know that a consumer product gets used because it's both easy to use and cheap, and runs on pretty much any hardware.

3 - Limiting kids to a distribution that no one uses is not a great thing to do I would imagine. Most schools and offices use either MacOS or Windows 10, they should be familiar with both, particularly Windows given its market share.

If your computer is 'running slow' with Windows 10, the hardware you think of as good, is likely not. Win10 is the best OS at memory management, has the best overall driver support, can run an 'embedded' version on a potato, and with UEFI+GPT, I have boot times that measure around 5-10 seconds.

Linux dominates the server space for a good reason, they have a great product. They don't dominate the desktop space because they don't, for all the reasons noted in TFA.
 
5 days ago  
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5 days ago  

Marine1: Also, just use Ubuntu. Other stuff's for friggin' nerds or CIOs who don't actually have to use the software they've chosen.


Ubuntu is horrible...at least it was a few months ago when I tried it.  I prefer Centos.  Ubuntu is for the previously mentioned "computer as an appliance" people.
 
5 days ago  

Explodo: Marine1: Also, just use Ubuntu. Other stuff's for friggin' nerds or CIOs who don't actually have to use the software they've chosen.

Ubuntu is horrible...at least it was a few months ago when I tried it.  I prefer Centos.  Ubuntu is for the previously mentioned "computer as an appliance" people.


That makes up 95% of the computing public, including software developers.

This reflects upon one of the GNU/Linux communities most fundamental misunderstandings, especially since 2001-ish: their main competition isn't Windows, it's OS X. I used to use Ubuntu as my main software development OS. I noticed that every time I logged on, I was spending more time dicking with customizing the OS than I was actually writing code, which is the thing that makes me money and earns me career advancement. For the last two years, I've been using OS X, which gets me the same set of tools for the most part, but less to screw with.

I can't imagine if I used something like Arch. People don't use Arch Linux, they configure Arch Linux.
 
5 days ago  
"Linux on the Desktop" will make you laugh until you realize Android is Linux and is in almost every pocket.

/Linux in your Pocket doesn't sound as sexy, oh wait, it does
 
5 days ago  
Are you telling me this is not the year of the linux desktop?
 
5 days ago  

k4mi: I have converted most of my family's computers over to Ubuntu because Win 10 is such a clusterfark.  Win 10 ran so slow on good computers.  Running the Linux desktop makes them run so much better and with 98% of the functionality we need anyway.

We had a cheap HP streambook I bought for my kids to use.  It's a nice laptop, good battery life, touchscreen, light, but Win 10 took up almost the entire onboard hard drive space.  Put Mint on them and it works great and uses only a few gigs of space.  Win 10 is so bloated and such a resource hog it's unreal.

The only reason Win 10 exists is because most people are so computer illiterate they just use whatever comes pre-installed.


Counterpoint: I went from using Linux Mint for years to running Win 10 on my home PC (I use a Mac at work).  I've found it to be faster and less headache than the Linux machine. I can use a scanner now and my sound works.  Also I like games.

But I will agree that for web + email and some word processing, grandma's computer probably is better off with Linux, so you should probably just get her a Chromebook.  Or if someone needs more power, get a mac.

Also in response to the article's complaint about subscription based software (which is probably their complaint about chromebooks as well), Office365 is a godsend for anyone who has to manage computers for a business.  Runs on Mac or Windows, auto-updates, and I don't have to think about licenses at all.  Once Windows 10 goes to the same model, I'll be the first to sign-up.

/ I'm old enough that my time is worth more than my idealism
 
5 days ago  

Wine Sipping Elitist: "Linux on the Desktop" will make you laugh until you realize Android is Linux and is in almost every pocket.

/Linux in your Pocket doesn't sound as sexy, oh wait, it does


Android is not a desktop OS. Full stop.
 
5 days ago  

Marine1: Explodo: Marine1: Also, just use Ubuntu. Other stuff's for friggin' nerds or CIOs who don't actually have to use the software they've chosen.

Ubuntu is horrible...at least it was a few months ago when I tried it.  I prefer Centos.  Ubuntu is for the previously mentioned "computer as an appliance" people.

That makes up 95% of the computing public, including software developers.

This reflects upon one of the GNU/Linux communities most fundamental misunderstandings, especially since 2001-ish: their main competition isn't Windows, it's OS X. I used to use Ubuntu as my main software development OS. I noticed that every time I logged on, I was spending more time dicking with customizing the OS than I was actually writing code, which is the thing that makes me money and earns me career advancement. For the last two years, I've been using OS X, which gets me the same set of tools for the most part, but less to screw with.

I can't imagine if I used something like Arch. People don't use Arch Linux, they configure Arch Linux.


Yes, OS X is the most useful from a multiple OS perspective. I used Parallels to have one desktop with a Windows and Linux VM running. It's great having a super fast, super expensive customized lightweight laptop...
... If the company will pay for it.

But then my keyboard stopped working (hardware/manufacturing problem) and then upgrades and degraded performance etc.

I'd rather have a cheap and speedy Fedora laptop than a beefy, pretty Mac OS X these days, and a dedicated windows 10 computer that I can have fun reinstalling when it breaks.
 
5 days ago  

phimuskapsi: Wine Sipping Elitist: "Linux on the Desktop" will make you laugh until you realize Android is Linux and is in almost every pocket.

/Linux in your Pocket doesn't sound as sexy, oh wait, it does

Android is not a desktop OS. Full stop.


My point is the war is being fought elsewhere with much success.
 
5 days ago  

phimuskapsi: k4mi: I have converted most of my family's computers over to Ubuntu because Win 10 is such a clusterfark.  Win 10 ran so slow on good computers.  Running the Linux desktop makes them run so much better and with 98% of the functionality we need anyway.

The only reason Win 10 exists is because most people are so computer illiterate they just use whatever comes pre-installed.

1 - 'Runs so much better, but' is the common refrain of the Linux Desktop user. Limited gaming support, mediocre driver support, no DirectX support, etc. etc.

2 - Yes and no. Windows exists because it is EASY TO USE. Shocking I know that a consumer product gets used because it's both easy to use and cheap, and runs on pretty much any hardware.

3 - Limiting kids to a distribution that no one uses is not a great thing to do I would imagine. Most schools and offices use either MacOS or Windows 10, they should be familiar with both, particularly Windows given its market share.

If your computer is 'running slow' with Windows 10, the hardware you think of as good, is likely not. Win10 is the best OS at memory management, has the best overall driver support, can run an 'embedded' version on a potato, and with UEFI+GPT, I have boot times that measure around 5-10 seconds.


Yep. I use Redhat and Centos at work, and would love to have it at home, but the kids pretty much need windows for school. My next home machine will be a beast, so I can run a Linux VM.

/or should I run Linux as the base and have Windows on a VM? Hmmm...
 
5 days ago  
IC Stars:
Yep. I use Redhat and Centos at work, and would love to have it at home, but the kids pretty much need windows for school. My next home machine will be a beast, so I can run a Linux VM.

/or should I run Linux as the base and have Windows on a VM? Hmmm...


You shouldn't need a beast to run Linux in a VM, though I guess that depends on what you want to do with it. I run a hackintosh Mohave image in Virtual Box for Safari testing. You could also run the Ubuntu Windows Subsystem, which basically gives you a Linux terminal to do whatever you want. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-u​s/windo​ws/wsl/install-win10
 
5 days ago  

Wine Sipping Elitist: phimuskapsi: Wine Sipping Elitist: "Linux on the Desktop" will make you laugh until you realize Android is Linux and is in almost every pocket.

/Linux in your Pocket doesn't sound as sexy, oh wait, it does

Android is not a desktop OS. Full stop.

My point is the war is being fought elsewhere with much success.


It's not really a war, and if it is, then FOSS is winning a battle in a way that most adherents wouldn't have wanted when things were popping up in the 80s and 90s. Sure, FOSS is everywhere, but since you can't charge for the software, companies have found other ways of generating revenues, particularly by collecting data for marketing purposes. Stallman wouldn't even get a RFID card to swipe into the labs at MIT because he thought he would be tracked.
 
5 days ago  
I wish I could find some of the old "Year of the Linux Desktop" posts on Slashdot from the 1990s...  the oldest I can find is 2002, and even then they weren't sounding so optimistic anymore.
 
5 days ago  

phimuskapsi: If your computer is 'running slow' with Windows 10, the hardware you think of as good, is likely not. Win10 is the best OS at memory management, has the best overall driver support, can run an 'embedded' version on a potato, and with UEFI+GPT, I have boot times that measure around 5-10 seconds.


I would tell a family to by a windows pc or preferably a mac, but I have to call you on your embedded stuff.  CE and WIOT are barebones mock-ups of Windows.  They just boot to GDI/winforms/wpf without a window manager and run one or two apps as fast as your little digital moped will let them.
 
5 days ago  

Ambitwistor: I wish I could find some of the old "Year of the Linux Desktop" posts on Slashdot from the 1990s...  the oldest I can find is 2002, and even then they weren't sounding so optimistic anymore.


I started with slackware and redhat in the mid 90s, every year was going to be the year of the linux desktop. Good times.
 
5 days ago  
I'm just glad that Unity is (mostly) dead
 
5 days ago  

Snake Oiler: I'm just glad that Unity is (mostly) dead


Which, is a bit of a shame. The engine is pretty decent for a freebie, and some good games have used it quite well.
 
5 days ago  

thehellisthis: phimuskapsi: If your computer is 'running slow' with Windows 10, the hardware you think of as good, is likely not. Win10 is the best OS at memory management, has the best overall driver support, can run an 'embedded' version on a potato, and with UEFI+GPT, I have boot times that measure around 5-10 seconds.

I would tell a family to by a windows pc or preferably a mac, but I have to call you on your embedded stuff.  CE and WIOT are barebones mock-ups of Windows.  They just boot to GDI/winforms/wpf without a window manager and run one or two apps as fast as your little digital moped will let them.


I run Windows 10 on a core 2 from 2007, with 2 gigs of ram, and an ATI 9800 Pro from 2002.  It does great web browsing, you tubing, and even Netflix can run on a second screen while you are browsing.

Bang for the buck will be a Windows machine, and if you get a custom box from a local shop, then you have fairly cheap upgradeable path.

If you are already invested in the Apple Eco system, then get a Mac.

But by one with the most memory/hd you can afford if it is either a Macbook or a 21 Inch Imac, cause since 2014 they are not upgradeable.

Thankfully the new mac mini lets you upgrade the ram but alas not the hard drive.
 
5 days ago  
GNU is the cancer killing Linux
 
5 days ago  

thehellisthis:

I would tell a family to by a windows pc or preferably a mac, but I have to call you on your embedded stuff.  CE and WIOT are barebones mock-ups of Windows.  They just boot to GDI/winforms/wpf without a window manager and run one or two apps as fast as your little digital moped will let them.

Sure, they aren't much different from other 'kiosk' versions of an OS, but it is technically Windows and they can be setup pretty easily. 

theflatline: I run Windows 10 on a core 2 from 2007, with 2 gigs of ram, and an ATI 9800 Pro from 2002.  It does great web browsing, you tubing, and even Netflix can run on a second screen while you are browsing.


This was actually the most pleasant surprise I've had with 10 is it's support for older machines. I have a Windows 7 laptop that wouldn't run 8 (a whole bunch of devices were never found). Installed 10 on it, every stupid little thing works. It's farking magic. I don't think W10 gets enough credit for how much they revamped their driver system. Most drivers can even be installed 'hot' and immediately work without a reboot.
 
5 days ago  
Step 1:  Tries ubuntu
2: Runs into an issue that no amount of searching seems to be able to fix across god knows how many wikis and release pages
3: Goes to forum and asks, providing hardware and software specs down to a gnat's rear end
4: Gets biatched out for being the lowest common denominator that makes computers shiatty
5: Declare 'fark this' and goes back to windows.

Linux/Ubuntu/GNU/whatever might be user friendly, but it's mighty particular about who it makes friends with.
 
5 days ago  

phimuskapsi: Snake Oiler: I'm just glad that Unity is (mostly) dead

Which, is a bit of a shame. The engine is pretty decent for a freebie, and some good games have used it quite well.


I think (s)he's referring to the now-discontinued Ubuntu desktop interface, not to the game engine.
 
5 days ago  
I've been using Manjaro for my daily driver for almost a year, and I love it. I get the good of Arch, and the ease of Ubuntu. Plus just about any software will install on it. It's the first distro I've been able to use as my main OS.

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/Manjaro Gnome Stable
 
4 days ago  

theflatline: thehellisthis: phimuskapsi: If your computer is 'running slow' with Windows 10, the hardware you think of as good, is likely not. Win10 is the best OS at memory management, has the best overall driver support, can run an 'embedded' version on a potato, and with UEFI+GPT, I have boot times that measure around 5-10 seconds.

I would tell a family to by a windows pc or preferably a mac, but I have to call you on your embedded stuff.  CE and WIOT are barebones mock-ups of Windows.  They just boot to GDI/winforms/wpf without a window manager and run one or two apps as fast as your little digital moped will let them.

I run Windows 10 on a core 2 from 2007, with 2 gigs of ram, and an ATI 9800 Pro from 2002.  It does great web browsing, you tubing, and even Netflix can run on a second screen while you are browsing.

Bang for the buck will be a Windows machine, and if you get a custom box from a local shop, then you have fairly cheap upgradeable path.

If you are already invested in the Apple Eco system, then get a Mac.

But by one with the most memory/hd you can afford if it is either a Macbook or a 21 Inch Imac, cause since 2014 they are not upgradeable.

Thankfully the new mac mini lets you upgrade the ram but alas not the hard drive.


If you can stand the antiquated display resolution (which is still better than typical 720p PC screens) get a 2011 or 2012 Macbook Pro with the i7. With a RAM upgrade and RAIDed SSD's mine is faster than a 2015 i5 Retina, the processor benchmarks are only about 10% slower. Only downside is that the max OS I can run with a RAID boot disk is 10.12 though, and no APFS RAID, for whatever reason. It's still pretty damn fast!
 
4 days ago  
"UGH, Windows is sooooooo bloated and slow! Linux is fast and efficient and does everything better on the same hardware!"
"Great, so I can expect to be able to get some extra functionality out of my ten-year-old Windows 7 machine? Better drivers, more features?"
"LOL NO"
 
4 days ago  

Snake Oiler: I'm just glad that Unity is (mostly) dead


Unfortunately, GNOME 3 still exists. It's really too bad that so few distros use KDE by default, it's really much more usable than the alternatives. Unfortunately there's a lot of NIH in the programming world. Also, leadership tends to get drunk with power in odd ways.

(I've been using Linux on the desktop for almost 20 years, FWIW.)
 
4 days ago  

I Like Bread: "UGH, Windows is sooooooo bloated and slow! Linux is fast and efficient and does everything better on the same hardware!"
"Great, so I can expect to be able to get some extra functionality out of my ten-year-old Windows 7 machine? Better drivers, more features?"
"LOL NO"


Linux is not a magical OS that upgrades your display to use the secret 4K resolution The Man doesn't want you to know about...
 
Juc
4 days ago  
so apparently people are leaving windows in droves and the linux desktop is dying.
What the hell are they going to all move to?
most office workers I know can barely use the mouse, having them use a command-line based OS would be nigh on impossible.
 
4 days ago  

Stibium: Linux is not a magical OS that upgrades your display to use the secret 4K resolution The Man doesn't want you to know about...


But on the bright side, they've had support for wireless cards for SEVERAL years now!
 
4 days ago  

danceswithcrows: Snake Oiler: I'm just glad that Unity is (mostly) dead

Unfortunately, GNOME 3 still exists. It's really too bad that so few distros use KDE by default, it's really much more usable than the alternatives. Unfortunately there's a lot of NIH in the programming world. Also, leadership tends to get drunk with power in odd ways.

(I've been using Linux on the desktop for almost 20 years, FWIW.)


I really liked openSuse's KDE implementation. The murders problems began when I would try to copy/paste filesystems from one drive to another. At some point the transfer rates dropped to basically nothing and the OS would start bugging out. Killing baloo helped, but it was something with dolphin going on.

Been using various Linux distros for the past 15 years, starting with Fedora Core 4. Things used to be built right, and you could understand how they were put together. Things are just a complete mess now. Screw FSH and GNU. I agree with Linus that some standardized method of installing packages needs to be made, instead of the indecipherable mess of paths we currently suffer.

/opt is there for a reason
 
4 days ago  

IC Stars: phimuskapsi: k4mi: I have converted most of my family's computers over to Ubuntu because Win 10 is such a clusterfark.  Win 10 ran so slow on good computers.  Running the Linux desktop makes them run so much better and with 98% of the functionality we need anyway.

The only reason Win 10 exists is because most people are so computer illiterate they just use whatever comes pre-installed.

1 - 'Runs so much better, but' is the common refrain of the Linux Desktop user. Limited gaming support, mediocre driver support, no DirectX support, etc. etc.

2 - Yes and no. Windows exists because it is EASY TO USE. Shocking I know that a consumer product gets used because it's both easy to use and cheap, and runs on pretty much any hardware.

3 - Limiting kids to a distribution that no one uses is not a great thing to do I would imagine. Most schools and offices use either MacOS or Windows 10, they should be familiar with both, particularly Windows given its market share.

If your computer is 'running slow' with Windows 10, the hardware you think of as good, is likely not. Win10 is the best OS at memory management, has the best overall driver support, can run an 'embedded' version on a potato, and with UEFI+GPT, I have boot times that measure around 5-10 seconds.

Yep. I use Redhat and Centos at work, and would love to have it at home, but the kids pretty much need windows for school. My next home machine will be a beast, so I can run a Linux VM.

/or should I run Linux as the base and have Windows on a VM? Hmmm...


Why not just dual boot?
 
4 days ago  

I Like Bread: Stibium: Linux is not a magical OS that upgrades your display to use the secret 4K resolution The Man doesn't want you to know about...

But on the bright side, they've had support for wireless cards for SEVERAL years now!


They've had support for non-Broadcom cards for longer than that, plebe-grade Broadcom cards too if you could follow instructions for compiling a driver.
 
4 days ago  

The Green Intern: Step 1:  Tries ubuntu
2: Runs into an issue that no amount of searching seems to be able to fix across god knows how many wikis and release pages
3: Goes to forum and asks, providing hardware and software specs down to a gnat's rear end
4: Gets biatched out for being the lowest common denominator that makes computers shiatty
5: Declare 'fark this' and goes back to windows.

Linux/Ubuntu/GNU/whatever might be user friendly, but it's mighty particular about who it makes friends with.


That's the same with just about every Linux community and they all fallback on the old "we are providing support voluntarily and nobody has to help you" excuse when you complain about their hostility. Lets be honest and admit that many Linux users are only using it to be part of an exclusive club and really don't want to see it take off.
 
4 days ago  

Stibium: compiling a driver.


Which is still a thing you have to do. Year of the desktop, my ass.

Thirty years ago, Microsoft decided that if you're going to make a GUI that primarily interfaces with the mouse, it damned well better be graphical and do everything with the mouse. They spent millions of dollars and tens of thousands of man-hours studying user experience and workflow and almost single-handedly developed the principles and rules of GUI design.

Linux distro designers said, "Does it kinda work like Windows? Eh, that's good enough. I SAID STOP, THAT'S ENOUGH."
 
4 days ago  

I Like Bread: almost single-handedly developed the principles and rules of GUI design.


Which explains Windows 8...
 
4 days ago  

Stibium: I Like Bread: almost single-handedly developed the principles and rules of GUI design.

Which explains Windows 8...


?  You mean the OS that also had a start menu that could be used for touch devices?  Metro was great for touch devices and was even fine for most users as most people don't use a lot of apps, it was just one giant start menu.
 
4 days ago  
M$ stole the GUI from Apple
Apple stole the GUI from Xerox
Xerox didn't steal the GUI, they invented it, poorly
/Used a Xerox Star to print my resume back in the early 80's
//It was a thing to behold in wonder and excitement
///It was slower than sap in winter
 
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