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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Here's why a lot of Hollywood agents suddenly found themselves unemployed this weekend   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line
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2019-04-15 01:13:38 AM  
I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.
 
2019-04-15 01:20:39 AM  

redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.


Authors have literary agents
 
2019-04-15 01:26:36 AM  

pxlboy: redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.

Authors have literary agents


And sportsball players too. I bet there are a few visual artist agents as well. Anything where the only people making money are considered extraordinarily talented.

Why would agents be necessary only for the extraordinarily talented? It seems like they would be the easiest to identify.
 
2019-04-15 01:28:16 AM  

redbucket: pxlboy: redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.

Authors have literary agents

And sportsball players too. I bet there are a few visual artist agents as well. Anything where the only people making money are considered extraordinarily talented.

Why would agents be necessary only for the extraordinarily talented? It seems like they would be the easiest to identify.


Maybe it's still practiced out of tradition? I really don't know.
 
2019-04-15 01:30:13 AM  

redbucket: pxlboy: redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.

Authors have literary agents

And sportsball players too. I bet there are a few visual artist agents as well. Anything where the only people making money are considered extraordinarily talented.

Why would agents be necessary only for the extraordinarily talented? It seems like they would be the easiest to identify.


Now that I think about it, a talent agent is like a real estate agent: someone who knows the local market and knows how to find what you're looking for.

They do a lot of networking and negotiating on behalf of their clients.
 
2019-04-15 01:35:07 AM  

pxlboy: Now that I think about it, a talent agent is like a real estate agent: someone who knows the local market and knows how to find what you're looking for.

They do a lot of networking and negotiating on behalf of their clients.


That's what I don't get, why are the extraordinarily talented people hiring connected agents to go look for work for them?  Shouldn't studios be hiring headhunters to find the best talent?
 
2019-04-15 01:41:47 AM  
thats a lot of drama
 
2019-04-15 02:01:22 AM  

redbucket: pxlboy: Now that I think about it, a talent agent is like a real estate agent: someone who knows the local market and knows how to find what you're looking for.

They do a lot of networking and negotiating on behalf of their clients.

That's what I don't get, why are the extraordinarily talented people hiring connected agents to go look for work for them?  Shouldn't studios be hiring headhunters to find the best talent?


No idea
 
2019-04-15 02:05:32 AM  

redbucket: pxlboy: Now that I think about it, a talent agent is like a real estate agent: someone who knows the local market and knows how to find what you're looking for.

They do a lot of networking and negotiating on behalf of their clients.

That's what I don't get, why are the extraordinarily talented people hiring connected agents to go look for work for them?  Shouldn't studios be hiring headhunters to find the best talent?


Possibly because otherwise studios would only hire known bankable talent, rather than take a chance with unknown actors?
 
2019-04-15 02:14:17 AM  
Here is a very good explanation of what is happening and why:
Agency Conflicts of Interest
Youtube v5p6urW6c7I
 
2019-04-15 02:15:11 AM  

no1curr: Possibly because otherwise studios would only hire known bankable talent, rather than take a chance with unknown actors?


So you think there's some greater being that has willed agents into being to prevent studios from relying on known talent?

Or you mean the best move by studios would be to use known talent but the super smart agents can trick them into using the talent who play them?

Because I think studios would not be better off always using the same 40 people and they know that. I don't understand why the talent pays for the studio's recruitment department.
 
2019-04-15 02:32:45 AM  

Lighting: Here is a very good explanation of what is happening and why:
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/v5p6urW6​c7I]


Another good explanation here, for the readers among us.

Writers Vs. Agents: 12 Things You Need to Know to Understand the WGA-ATA Standoff
 
2019-04-15 02:39:44 AM  
I've often wondered why the majority of them are Jewish. (This comment will no doubt draw fire  but I'd love a logical explanation nevertheless)
 
2019-04-15 02:42:42 AM  

redbucket: no1curr: Possibly because otherwise studios would only hire known bankable talent, rather than take a chance with unknown actors?

So you think there's some greater being that has willed agents into being to prevent studios from relying on known talent?

Or you mean the best move by studios would be to use known talent but the super smart agents can trick them into using the talent who play them?

Because I think studios would not be better off always using the same 40 people and they know that. I don't understand why the talent pays for the studio's recruitment department.


We all we look at is the big guys. The big writers the big studios. The Stephen King...etc. We don't look at some slob laid off from the Tim Allen show or Rosanne. Those writers need their union packages to keep the lights on and health care active.

The big guys...the writers from Star Wars, Whatever Stephen King movie is happen to be filming now...
Those guys get the retirement packages, they get the big bucks, and they get all the benefits of striking it rich in the writers market. But they knew they got started and got their contracts by sticking with a UNION, that protected them from skinflint producers who could just open up their purse a bit and PAY THEIR WORKERS. So, the guild is really sticking to their roots there. And Stephen King should STFU and go count some money or buy New Hampshire as a vacation home for Maine or something instead of complaining about writers and his Agents wanting a bit more of the pie from Hollywood mega millions.
 
2019-04-15 02:49:01 AM  

optikeye: The big guys...the writers from Star Wars, Whatever Stephen King movie is happen to be filming now...
Those guys get the retirement packages, they get the big bucks, and they get all the benefits of striking it rich in the writers market. But they knew they got started and got their contracts by sticking with a UNION, that protected them from skinflint producers who could just open up their purse a bit and PAY THEIR WORKERS. So, the guild is really sticking to their roots there. And Stephen King should STFU and go count some money or buy New Hampshire as a vacation home for Maine or something instead of complaining about writers and his Agents wanting a bit more of the pie from Hollywood mega millions.


What do agents have to do with union membership?
 
2019-04-15 02:51:49 AM  

bigpeeler: I've often wondered why the majority of them are Jewish. (This comment will no doubt draw fire  but I'd love a logical explanation nevertheless)


I'm not saying you're not right, because you're probably right. But it's there any data to back that claim up?
 
2019-04-15 02:56:18 AM  

redbucket: What do agents have to do with union membership?


It's part of how unions work. If say  the writer's union. Goes on strike...then the Screen actors guild associated guilds also go on strike. Like a teachers strike can effect garbage pickup in union towns.
Now, I don't know all the tentacles and associations of Hollywood guilds and their entanglements. But they exist.
 
2019-04-15 03:01:49 AM  

optikeye: redbucket: What do agents have to do with union membership?

It's part of how unions work. If say  the writer's union. Goes on strike...then the Screen actors guild associated guilds also go on strike. Like a teachers strike can effect garbage pickup in union towns.
Now, I don't know all the tentacles and associations of Hollywood guilds and their entanglements. But they exist.


No one is going on strike, they are just firing their agents..
 
2019-04-15 04:12:28 AM  

redbucket: bigpeeler: I've often wondered why the majority of them are Jewish. (This comment will no doubt draw fire  but I'd love a logical explanation nevertheless)

I'm not saying you're not right, because you're probably right. But it's there any data to back that claim up?


If true, probably the same reason so many of them are bankers, accountants, etc: historically Jews were forbidden from owning land in a lot places and often had to be ready to move at a moment's notice so they chose professions that kept them liquid.

That's a theory I've heard, could be wrong.
 
2019-04-15 06:08:06 AM  

pxlboy: redbucket: pxlboy: Now that I think about it, a talent agent is like a real estate agent: someone who knows the local market and knows how to find what you're looking for.

They do a lot of networking and negotiating on behalf of their clients.

That's what I don't get, why are the extraordinarily talented people hiring connected agents to go look for work for them?  Shouldn't studios be hiring headhunters to find the best talent?

No idea


It pushes the recruiting costs on the employee.
 
2019-04-15 06:42:10 AM  

redbucket: no1curr: Possibly because otherwise studios would only hire known bankable talent, rather than take a chance with unknown actors?

So you think there's some greater being that has willed agents into being to prevent studios from relying on known talent?

Or you mean the best move by studios would be to use known talent but the super smart agents can trick them into using the talent who play them?

Because I think studios would not be better off always using the same 40 people and they know that. I don't understand why the talent pays for the studio's recruitment department.


I think it's mostly because the skill set of someone that is extraordinarily talented at xxxxxxx does not necessarily or even likely include also being extraordinarily talented at negotiating business deals, so they hire someone to do the business while they do the art. This is also why so many artists historically get royally farked by their agents.
 
2019-04-15 07:14:13 AM  
The money-pigs in the middle negotiate in bad faith and participate in self dealing to profit at the expense of the people actually doing the work? Let me go find my shocke

fusillade762: Lighting: Here is a very good explanation of what is happening and why:
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/v5p6urW6​c7I]

Another good explanation here, for the readers among us.

Writers Vs. Agents: 12 Things You Need to Know to Understand the WGA-ATA Standoff


The money-pigs in the middle negotiate in bad faith and participate in self dealing to profit at the expense of the people actually doing the work? Let me go find my shocked face.

/good read btw
 
2019-04-15 07:57:36 AM  

optikeye: And Stephen King should STFU and go count some money or buy New Hampshire as a vacation home for Maine or something instead of complaining about writers and his Agents wanting a bit more of the pie from Hollywood mega millions.


He's going along with the union.  Why the hell should he STFU?  All he said is that he wants both sides to get it figured out, but he's fully supporting his union here.
 
2019-04-15 08:08:39 AM  

redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.


img.fark.netView Full Size


laywer/agent, same thing:
Indecent Proposal (3/8) Movie CLIP - Never Negotiate Without Your Lawyer (1993) HD
Youtube wJCqOhdzatA
 
2019-04-15 08:16:14 AM  

Lighting: Here is a very good explanation of what is happening and why:
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Interesting video. Thank you for sharing.
 
2019-04-15 08:25:38 AM  
Well thank God all this nonsense didn't affect Game of Thrones.
 
2019-04-15 08:26:50 AM  

pxlboy: redbucket: pxlboy: redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.

Authors have literary agents

And sportsball players too. I bet there are a few visual artist agents as well. Anything where the only people making money are considered extraordinarily talented.

Why would agents be necessary only for the extraordinarily talented? It seems like they would be the easiest to identify.

Maybe it's still practiced out of tradition? I really don't know.


Agents are basically the only thing between writers and Hollywood stealing their scripts.
There needs to be some neutral party to verify whether 2 similar scripts are just a coincidence.
 
2019-04-15 08:38:40 AM  

fusillade762: Lighting: Here is a very good explanation of what is happening and why:
[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/v5p6urW6​c7I]

Another good explanation here, for the readers among us.

Writers Vs. Agents: 12 Things You Need to Know to Understand the WGA-ATA Standoff


Thanks
 
2019-04-15 08:41:14 AM  

redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.


Because most people are very, very, VERY stupid when it comes to signing legal contracts.
 
2019-04-15 08:44:21 AM  

redbucket: no1curr: Possibly because otherwise studios would only hire known bankable talent, rather than take a chance with unknown actors?

So you think there's some greater being that has willed agents into being to prevent studios from relying on known talent?

Or you mean the best move by studios would be to use known talent but the super smart agents can trick them into using the talent who play them?

Because I think studios would not be better off always using the same 40 people and they know that. I don't understand why the talent pays for the studio's recruitment department.


The talent makes more money if their agent shops them around to several studios rather than negotiating with a single studio. That's 10% commission should pay for itself with more competitive pay.

In this case, the writer's agents were acting like studio recuiting departments. They got  bonuses for funneling writers to a project or studio instead of making studios compete. The only party not making bank in these deals are the writers.
 
2019-04-15 08:55:02 AM  

Techhell: redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.

Because most people are very, very, VERY stupid when it comes to signing legal contracts.


Also, because it's reasonable to say that agents/agencies do serve a useful role in many industries. But on reading up on this particular spat, it appears that pure, unbridled greed is at the core of the dispute.
 
2019-04-15 08:55:36 AM  

Lighting: Here is a very good explanation of what is happening and why:
[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/v5p6urW6​c7I?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]


Good video.  Thanks.
 
2019-04-15 09:06:41 AM  

incendi: redbucket: no1curr: Possibly because otherwise studios would only hire known bankable talent, rather than take a chance with unknown actors?

So you think there's some greater being that has willed agents into being to prevent studios from relying on known talent?

Or you mean the best move by studios would be to use known talent but the super smart agents can trick them into using the talent who play them?

Because I think studios would not be better off always using the same 40 people and they know that. I don't understand why the talent pays for the studio's recruitment department.

I think it's mostly because the skill set of someone that is extraordinarily talented at xxxxxxx does not necessarily or even likely include also being extraordinarily talented at negotiating business deals, so they hire someone to do the business while they do the art. This is also why so many artists historically get royally farked by their agents.


See also "Athletes, Professional"

/Understanding your playbook doesn't necessarily mean you understand some of the legalese in your contract
 
2019-04-15 09:08:27 AM  
Seismic sensors report unusually strong temblors in the vicinity of Harlan Ellison's grave.
 
2019-04-15 09:09:25 AM  

bigpeeler: I've often wondered why the majority of them are Jewish. (This comment will no doubt draw fire  but I'd love a logical explanation nevertheless)


The writers, the agents, or both?

\either way, the answer is nepotism
 
2019-04-15 09:14:25 AM  

no1curr: redbucket: pxlboy: Now that I think about it, a talent agent is like a real estate agent: someone who knows the local market and knows how to find what you're looking for.

They do a lot of networking and negotiating on behalf of their clients.

That's what I don't get, why are the extraordinarily talented people hiring connected agents to go look for work for them?  Shouldn't studios be hiring headhunters to find the best talent?

Possibly because otherwise studios would only hire known bankable talent, rather than take a chance with unknown actors?


Which is practically what they're doing anyway.
 
2019-04-15 09:14:43 AM  

fusillade762: If true, probably the same reason so many of them are bankers, accountants, etc: historically Jews were forbidden from owning land in a lot places and often had to be ready to move at a moment's notice so they chose professions that kept them liquid.

That's a theory I've heard, could be wrong.


Three aspects:

Jewish residents were often used as middlemen or overseers, between the Christian peasantry and nobility. This had the advantage on both sides of having a disposal outgroup as the face of evil on either side should things start getting pitchforky.

Also, Jewish residents didn't have the religious prohibition on usury that Christians had (and once took seriously). Thus, you tended to find Jews in positions of moneyholding and moneylending, or tradesman jobs in general, because their religion allowed them to do so. For similar, but converse reasons, you didn't find many Jewish pork-processors or gumbo cooks.

Also, as part of their religious tradition, Jews tended to gravitate towards educated positions like lawyers and accountants (and oddly, physicists). In part because their religious traditions were inclined that way.

Taken together, you find Jews in a position of being a money-negotiating middle man, especially in predominantly Christian societies.
 
2019-04-15 09:33:25 AM  
Okay that was 2000 years ago.   How do you explain today?
 
2019-04-15 09:40:59 AM  

Straight Outta Hate: Agents are basically the only thing between writers and Hollywood stealing their scripts.
There needs to be some neutral party to verify whether 2 similar scripts are just a coincidence.


Agents don't do that. The Writer's Guild does that.
 
2019-04-15 09:43:39 AM  

bigpeeler: I've often wondered why the majority of them are Jewish. (This comment will no doubt draw fire  but I'd love a logical explanation nevertheless)


Historically, a group European Jews were master lens makers.  This led them to be master writers, master camera makers, and master jewelry appraisers.
 
2019-04-15 09:50:18 AM  

redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.


legal issues.  Most actors or such in Hollywood don't want to be bothered with learning the ins and outs of some legal issues.  So they hire agents to do that for them.  And to screen out crap the actor don't want.  Some big name actors such as Bill Murry don't have agents.  they deal with everything.
 
2019-04-15 10:05:32 AM  
Sounds like a recipe for graft. You know, like rich and powerful people hiring insiders to do things for them, like get their kids into the colleges of their choice...
 
2019-04-15 10:30:30 AM  

Techhell: redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.

Because most people are very, very, VERY stupid when it comes to signing legal contracts.


This would include contracts for exclusive representation by an agent, right? Where do you get an agent to review that deal?
 
2019-04-15 10:41:27 AM  

Straight Outta Hate: bigpeeler: I've often wondered why the majority of them are Jewish. (This comment will no doubt draw fire  but I'd love a logical explanation nevertheless)

Historically, a group European Jews were master lens makers.  This led them to be master writers, master camera makers, and master jewelry appraisers.


Like...a master race?
 
2019-04-15 10:45:25 AM  

pxlboy: redbucket: pxlboy: redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.

Authors have literary agents

And sportsball players too. I bet there are a few visual artist agents as well. Anything where the only people making money are considered extraordinarily talented.

Why would agents be necessary only for the extraordinarily talented? It seems like they would be the easiest to identify.

Now that I think about it, a talent agent is like a real estate agent: someone who knows the local market and knows how to find what you're looking for.

They do a lot of networking and negotiating on behalf of their clients.


Im a consultant. In my specific specialty, there are maybe 10 people like me in Montreal, probably under 50 in Canada.

My skills are rarely needed, but when they are, my rate is appropriate for the scarcity on the market. So, for me to find a job on my own is difficult - word of mouth only goes so far and most clients will never need me again if I do my job right (beyond a few hours a year)

An agent - I call them pimps- can match companies I have never heard of to me. They take a cut, but they also keep me so busy that I no longer have a month or two between contracts. That gap used to cost me more than the cut I pay now, and I don't have to chase anyone for my payment. The pimp takes the risk and pays me.

It's a good model when you have very niche skills
 
2019-04-15 10:48:58 AM  

bigpeeler: I've often wondered why the majority of them are Jewish. (This comment will no doubt draw fire  but I'd love a logical explanation nevertheless)


Because because networking and community have always influenced hiring. Hollywood and some other fields have lots of Jewish people, others are loaded with Indian guys, still others are pretty evangelical Christian. At a less macro level, lots of small companies do a lot of their hiring from their own circles and as a result end up with people who share hobbies or cultural contexts.
 
2019-04-15 10:55:48 AM  

JerkStore: Well thank God all this nonsense didn't affect Game of Thrones.


I swear to God that my wife and I are the only 2 people on the planet that haven't ever seen an episode of that, and we have HBO, tivo, and on demand. If we're watching TV, it's the news, story bots (great series on netflix for kids. Teaches them a LOT, and in a fun way. Bonus: weird al) or a documentary.  We try and catch an episode together of ozark or Santa Clarita diet, but with sometimes opposite schedules, a 3 yo and another on the way, we just don't have time to invest in it. Maybe down the road when stuff settles down. Anyway, go writers! fark backdoor gladhanding agents. I hope they get this shiat figured out.
 
2019-04-15 11:05:24 AM  

redbucket: I still don't understand why agents are a thing in Hollywood. Imagine any other industry where a prospective employee would send a hired representative to interact with potential employers.


Most jobs don't involve enough money to make the grift worthwhile.
 
2019-04-15 11:54:22 AM  

redbucket: pxlboy: Now that I think about it, a talent agent is like a real estate agent: someone who knows the local market and knows how to find what you're looking for.

They do a lot of networking and negotiating on behalf of their clients.

That's what I don't get, why are the extraordinarily talented people hiring connected agents to go look for work for them?  Shouldn't studios be hiring headhunters to find the best talent?


Because agents work for you, headhunters work for the company.  An agent represents your interest and knows the market value of you, and their job is to convince the company to pay you the rate you're demanding.

Does this really need to be explained or are you trolling?
 
2019-04-15 12:04:07 PM  

bhcompy: redbucket: pxlboy: Now that I think about it, a talent agent is like a real estate agent: someone who knows the local market and knows how to find what you're looking for.

They do a lot of networking and negotiating on behalf of their clients.

That's what I don't get, why are the extraordinarily talented people hiring connected agents to go look for work for them?  Shouldn't studios be hiring headhunters to find the best talent?

Because agents work for you, headhunters work for the company.  An agent represents your interest and knows the market value of you, and their job is to convince the company to pay you the rate you're demanding.

Does this really need to be explained or are you trolling?


as well as the fact that a agent can be lining up new work as you are working on current things.

ie a movie actor can be filming one movie while their agent is in talks for the next movie.
 
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