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2019-04-14 06:33:31 PM  
Honestly, what other alternatives are there to Windows these days? I know MS doesn't have the monopoly they used to, but what OS is most viable or even comparable with MS apps?

And no, I don't mean Apple. If someone wanted to format C: on their PC and install fresh, what would be a good alternative to windows?
 
2019-04-14 06:43:46 PM  
After hackintoshing for over a decade I done gave it up and now use primarily Ubuntu 16.04

I still boot into Windows for games
 
2019-04-14 06:51:26 PM  
Windows 10 is an abomination before the Lord, ranking just below people who move their taskbar from its normal bottom position.
 
2019-04-14 07:08:51 PM  
The problem isn't the OS, per se, but that Microsoft isn't doing enough QA before pushing an update to make sure it won't gloriously fark something up.
 
2019-04-14 07:26:27 PM  
Not that a future Windows update won't fark up my laptop, but I have never experienced a problem yet with a 2014 Dell XPS that followed the upgrade path from Win 7 to the current Win 10 1809. I turned off automatic driver updates because I have an Intel 7260 wireless card and Intels driver updates made performance worse, so I'm sticking with the 2015 MS driver, which works fine all the time. It's perplexing why so many other update problems are reported. I guess it's luck on my part because how can one plan ahead for a BSOD?
 
2019-04-14 08:28:40 PM  
I've been hearing that for my entire life. Not that I'm old, but I'm not particularly young at this point either.
 
2019-04-14 08:31:56 PM  
For 95% of the things that 95% of the people want to do, every OS works just fine. Windows, Apple, Linux, iOS, Chromebook etc.

So yeah, use whatever you like.
 
2019-04-14 09:06:52 PM  

Gubbo: For 95% of the things that 95% of the people want to do, every OS works just fine. Windows, Apple, Linux, iOS, Chromebook etc.

So yeah, use whatever you like.


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2019-04-14 09:10:27 PM  
They end expended support for Windows 7 in January. After that, I'm out. I have never heard one person say a single positive thing about 10 (save for the occasional lukewarm "It's not as bad as everyone says"). Am I scared of using Linux as my primary desktop OS? Sure, but against getting files deleted, computers bricked, personal information stolen, and god knows what other fresh hell MS could dream up, I'll take my chances that someone will sneer at me for being a Linux geek.
 
2019-04-14 09:12:02 PM  
So... the actual body of the article says the exact opposite of what the headline claims.  It's basically begging the reader to switch operating systems specifically because everyone appears to be fine with Win10 and aren't showing any real inclination to move away from it.

The issue with MacOS is that it's intentionally crippled in order to keep the user from doing things to hurt themselves, and the issue with Chrome is that it's... basically not remotely feature-complete and has compatibility issues.  Or, rather, poor optimization when running some software that borders on being outright compatibility walls, which is the same thing from the user's perspective.  Neither OS is "bad", per se, but assuming someone is using Windows because of the primary things it's good at (that it's compatible with basically anything without issue and that it's not particularly hard to tweak if you're even slightly to the right of complete novicehood on the power-user spectrum) they're probably not going to find either to be a viable alternative.

Plenty of Linux distros that'll serve as a feature-complete, non-crippled replacement, though, so I'm not crowning Windows god-king of all computers forever or whatever, though.  They come with their own issues (in that the manual control that is somewhat optional for Windows in terms of micromanaging drivers and updates and blocking updates with bad feedback is now 100% mandatory and you have to do it all the farking time) but they're far more of a "replacement OS" than anything the native advertisement subby linked advocates.

// Zero issues with Windows 10 even running it on what is at this point an anachronistic hodgepodge of legacy and modern hardware, including a Motherboard from when XP was the most modern OS.  Because I, y'know, learned how to actually manually manage updates within windows 10 and don't install them until a week or so after deployment... instead of trashing all of my shiat to migrate to a different OS that would let me manually manage updates while also obligating me to learn an entire new farking OS.  It's almost like learning to properly use the thing you've already got is dramatically more effort-efficient than tossing the baby out with the bathwater every time you stub your digital toe.
 
2019-04-14 09:18:27 PM  

Jim_Callahan: It's almost like learning to properly use the thing you've already got is dramatically more effort-efficient than tossing the baby out with the bathwater every time you stub your digital toe.


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2019-04-14 09:26:23 PM  
I may be possibly the only person on fark who not only had zero problems with any updates, but actually really likes Win 10. It is a solid OS that has never crashed my ancient budget craptop, and seems loads faster than 7 ever was.

And, every single iteration of Windows I've ever used needed a good amount of settings adjustment before they ran like I wanted. 10 hasn't really taken much at all, apart from the obvious security bits, and putting the taskbar on the righthand side vertically like it should be.
 
2019-04-14 09:28:37 PM  
No it's not.. Stop it.. This is the stupidest clickbait I've read this month...
 
2019-04-14 09:31:21 PM  

uttertosh: I may be possibly the only person on fark who not only had zero problems with any updates, but actually really likes Win 10. It is a solid OS that has never crashed my ancient budget craptop, and seems loads faster than 7 ever was.

And, every single iteration of Windows I've ever used needed a good amount of settings adjustment before they ran like I wanted. 10 hasn't really taken much at all, apart from the obvious security bits, and putting the taskbar on the righthand side vertically like it should be.


Nah I'm in the same boat, it's been great both for my personal machine and the 4 others in our household/home business. I'm not denying that people have had issues or are annoyed by certain aspects, but I think at this point people just love to hate it.
 
2019-04-14 09:34:27 PM  
If you work on a computer every day, what is the alternative?  I haven't had a serious problem with Windows in the last 2 years except for one slow update.  it helps to a clean install after buying a new computer.
It's not like Microsoft is going to offer all of their business software for Linux platforms, or that Apple products will suddenly become 100% compatible with the latest Windows products.
 
2019-04-14 09:39:19 PM  

uttertosh: I may be possibly the only person on fark who not only had zero problems with any updates, but actually really likes Win 10.


Nope, you aren't the only one
 
2019-04-14 09:42:51 PM  

cman: After hackintoshing for over a decade I done gave it up and now use primarily Ubuntu 16.04

I still boot into Windows for games


I tried Ubuntu this year.  It was farking horrible for me and I went back to Centos.

Is the point of Ubuntu to make your PC more like using a phone or tablet(less actual control)?  Why use it?  I'm genuinely curious what you get out of using Ubuntu because I don't see the appeal.
 
2019-04-14 09:44:19 PM  

Fabric_Man: They end expended support for Windows 7 in January. After that, I'm out. I have never heard one person say a single positive thing about 10 (save for the occasional lukewarm "It's not as bad as everyone says"). Am I scared of using Linux as my primary desktop OS? Sure, but against getting files deleted, computers bricked, personal information stolen, and god knows what other fresh hell MS could dream up, I'll take my chances that someone will sneer at me for being a Linux geek.


I love it. And I'm not a Windows fanboy by any means. I stuck with XP through the entire Vista and 7 era  and only upgraded to 8 because (a) XP was getting on a bit and (b) MS offered a full upgrade for £25.

8 was Great. Once you installed Classic Shell to fix the touch centric UI that didn't have a Start button or menu.

10 Fixes that problem with 8 by bringing back the Start button and menu while keeping the touch UI for tablet users. It's fast, stable, boots in seconds. (I use Hibernate which keep all folders and programs open and exactly where they were ready for me when I next switch the machine on.
I love little features like it keeps a history of stuff you have copied so you can copy a bunch of quotes for example and then paste them one by one into a document, rather than having to go back and forward copying and pasting one at a time.
If you choose to use a MS account and have more than one machine then you can tell it to remember tasks, files opened, websites visited etc. So if you see an interesting article at work and then want to read it when you get home you just open Task View and you can see your history and one click will open that web site. Or turn stuff like that off if you don't want it to track you. You can even not have a MS account and log in with a local account and not have any of the cloud storage features if you prefer. Personally I like having all my documents and files available on my three machines.

It is also great, and years ahead of Apple, when it comes to users who have a desktop/laptop and a tablet by having the exact same OS for both, with the ability to switch seamlessly between the desktop UI (windows, Start button and menu etc) and tablet UI with a full Start screen, apps and programs run full screen or split screen (a feature Apple copied from MS for the iPad, though it took them three years) and so on. You have total flexibility of choosing how to use it. You can use apps and full programs in both desktop and tablet UI, and use mouse/trackpad and/or touchscreen on both. Some things are just more natural with touchscreen and some things are easier with a trackpad or mouse. MS lets you use both. With Apple it is trackpad/mouse on macs and touchscreen on iPads, that's it. No choice.

It's also really cool to have apps on desktop machines. For example I have a PC with three screens and keep the Twitter app open in the corner of one display. Far neater than keeping a Chrome window open for just Twitter. And when you switch between desktop PC and tablet it's great to have the exact same apps and programs, rather than being used to one program on your desktop but having to learn how to use a cut down app on your tablet.

I had one problem with one update, 1709, which was a problem with my video card. The spec on my video card said "Built for XP and Vista" so it was rather out of date. MS support was very helpful and completely free, though it did take them a couple of days to narrow it down to my video card.
Bought a new video card and it worked perfectly. Never lost any data or files. In fact W10 has some great backup features, including cloud storage and automatic backup onto external hard drives etc that should save me from losing any files if a drive dies.

As for all the "spying" stuff, well any cloud storage by definition needs to copy the files and data you choose to backup to those companies servers, whether it is Microsoft, Apple, Google, Dropbox whoever. Considering all the people around the world who must be looking at exactly what MS are doing I have yet to see any reports of actual "spying", like uploading files you have not told it to or something. Switch those features off if you don't want to use them, or don't set up a Microsoft account at all.

So, you now have heard at least one person say something positive about Windows 10.
 
2019-04-14 09:47:42 PM  

Explodo: cman: After hackintoshing for over a decade I done gave it up and now use primarily Ubuntu 16.04

I still boot into Windows for games

I tried Ubuntu this year.  It was farking horrible for me and I went back to Centos.

Is the point of Ubuntu to make your PC more like using a phone or tablet(less actual control)?  Why use it?  I'm genuinely curious what you get out of using Ubuntu because I don't see the appeal.


Because the devs who created Unity were inspired by macOS. As I said, I used a hackintosh for 10 years. Its UI feels more comfortable (especially when ya move the Launcher to the bottom of the screen).
 
2019-04-14 09:56:48 PM  

Fabric_Man: They end expended support for Windows 7 in January. After that, I'm out. I have never heard one person say a single positive thing about 10 (save for the occasional lukewarm "It's not as bad as everyone says")...


How many people have you asked about Win10? It's not the worst Windows OS (Win Me), and it has a lot of important updates to let you effectively use current hardware. I've rarely had a Blue Screen of Death show on W10.

Really, W10 isn't that big of a deal. If you can't work with it, then I don't know what to say. Aside from the updates, Windows hasn't really got in the way of my daily use. Get a Chromebook is my suggestion to you.
 
2019-04-14 09:59:43 PM  
I hate that my work is switching to Windows 10.  I really wish we could go back to XP.
 
2019-04-14 09:59:59 PM  
I can't say I've had any real dramas with Windows 10. My current machine is a Skylake laptop but six months ago back to 2012 I had been running a Sandy Bridge-E Xeon machine and upgrading to Win10 when it first came out.

Been through several GPUs in this time and migrated to SSDs etc.

Absolutely love Linux for my servers, though. I was primarily using CentOS until I got a C-series blade enclosure and it didn't have the RAID drivers for the older Gen1 blades. Now running Ubuntu Server and will probably drift from CentOS as it's too annoying running both.
 
2019-04-14 10:00:41 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Fabric_Man: They end expended support for Windows 7 in January. After that, I'm out. I have never heard one person say a single positive thing about 10 (save for the occasional lukewarm "It's not as bad as everyone says"). Am I scared of using Linux as my primary desktop OS? Sure, but against getting files deleted, computers bricked, personal information stolen, and god knows what other fresh hell MS could dream up, I'll take my chances that someone will sneer at me for being a Linux geek.

I love it. And I'm not a Windows fanboy by any means. I stuck with XP through the entire Vista and 7 era  and only upgraded to 8 because (a) XP was getting on a bit and (b) MS offered a full upgrade for £25.

8 was Great. Once you installed Classic Shell to fix the touch centric UI that didn't have a Start button or menu.

10 Fixes that problem with 8 by bringing back the Start button and menu while keeping the touch UI for tablet users. It's fast, stable, boots in seconds. (I use Hibernate which keep all folders and programs open and exactly where they were ready for me when I next switch the machine on.
I love little features like it keeps a history of stuff you have copied so you can copy a bunch of quotes for example and then paste them one by one into a document, rather than having to go back and forward copying and pasting one at a time.
If you choose to use a MS account and have more than one machine then you can tell it to remember tasks, files opened, websites visited etc. So if you see an interesting article at work and then want to read it when you get home you just open Task View and you can see your history and one click will open that web site. Or turn stuff like that off if you don't want it to track you. You can even not have a MS account and log in with a local account and not have any of the cloud storage features if you prefer. Personally I like having all my documents and files available on my three machines.

It is also great, and years ahead of Apple, when i ...


I would like to echo all of this and say that i've never had a major update "brick" my system, and just a few minor snags here and there that can easily be fixed by someone who isn't afraid of computers in general.
 
2019-04-14 10:01:09 PM  
And just to add, re "It does updates when you're in the middle of something!" I can accept that if you run processes that take days this is something MS need to address. I have a 3D printer for example, where prints take ten hours and the advice is always "Never run the print from a PC, put it on an SD card and run it from that", but that advice predated Windows 10.

But first thing is you tell it your usual working house and it will not do any updates during those hours. Outside those it will ask you before starting. Booting up to be faced with updates is one thing, but I use Hibernate (as mentioned, which keeps folders, programs etc open right where you left them.)
Since booting from Hibernate isn't a full boot it won't start any update even if there is one pending. Only a full shut down and reboot does that. Once a week or two I leave my machine on overnight and let it update and restart.
I can see why these updates could be annoying, but for years MS had millions of clueless users who never did any updates, security patches, virus definitions etc and allowed their machines to become virus and trojan ridden cesspits. I can't really blame MS for finally snapping and saying "Right! That's it! Now updates are mandatory!"
 
2019-04-14 10:07:49 PM  

dyhchong: I can't say I've had any real dramas with Windows 10. My current machine is a Skylake laptop but six months ago back to 2012 I had been running a Sandy Bridge-E Xeon machine and upgrading to Win10 when it first came out.


I'm typing this on a Core2Duo E8400 from 2009 running the latest Windows 10. It shipped with Vista.
 
2019-04-14 10:13:18 PM  

uttertosh: taskbar on the righthand side vertically like it should be.


Username checks out.
 
2019-04-14 10:36:24 PM  
For all of you saying 'it's not such a bad OS', punch yourself in the nuts.

Fun story. I was DJing weddings. As in, $1500 a pop weddings. I needed a rock solid laptop. I went with a Windows 10 based system. Now, I did my best to ping for updates, particularly the night before a gig. Here's the blast: 

First wedding, Windows decided to update. Luckily this was hours before the Bride was going to walk. Still, upsetting.

After that, I'd still update the night before. Then, I'd make sure to turn off ALL of Windows 10's ability to perform updates. I thought I had, too. 

End of the season, at a $2000 wedding, just before the Bride was to begin her walk, Windows Fscking 10 decided to update. And it was a long one. That almost cost me everything. Know what that feels like? It's unique. Your asshole goes infinitely tight while your bowels go looser than a fainting looney tunes character.

Windows 10 is the Boeing MAX of the Operating System world. After that, I went out with the money from that gig the VERY NEXT GODDAMN DAY, and purchased a Macbook Pro. 

Which, I might add, has worked fscking flawlessly with the number of times its updates screwing with my business down to ZERO.

10 is a sh*t operating system. Period. Hands down.
 
2019-04-14 10:43:20 PM  
I just Windows 10 a little over a week ago and it seems just fine so far, and I'm usually kinda nitpicky about things. Though I confess that if it weren't for games I'd probably be using Debian or something.

The biggest complaint I have about Windows is the price, but I was able to get it activated with my old Windows 7 key so that's not really a big deal either.
 
2019-04-14 10:48:12 PM  

Znuh: For all of you saying 'it's not such a bad OS', punch yourself in the nuts.

Fun story. I was DJing weddings. As in, $1500 a pop weddings. I needed a rock solid laptop. I went with a Windows 10 based system. Now, I did my best to ping for updates, particularly the night before a gig. Here's the blast: 

First wedding, Windows decided to update. Luckily this was hours before the Bride was going to walk. Still, upsetting.

After that, I'd still update the night before. Then, I'd make sure to turn off ALL of Windows 10's ability to perform updates. I thought I had, too. 

End of the season, at a $2000 wedding, just before the Bride was to begin her walk, Windows Fscking 10 decided to update. And it was a long one. That almost cost me everything. Know what that feels like? It's unique. Your asshole goes infinitely tight while your bowels go looser than a fainting looney tunes character.

Windows 10 is the Boeing MAX of the Operating System world. After that, I went out with the money from that gig the VERY NEXT GODDAMN DAY, and purchased a Macbook Pro. 

Which, I might add, has worked fscking flawlessly with the number of times its updates screwing with my business down to ZERO.

10 is a sh*t operating system. Period. Hands down.


....yeah, it's totally not your fault for leaving WiFi on when you knew there's always a chance of update.
 
2019-04-14 10:53:56 PM  
The problem with Mac OS is that MacBook Pros are kind of shiatty now, especially for what you are paying. The keyboards are crap and the port selection is much more limited compared to my Late 2013 MacBook Pro. They are really sad compared to my new work-issued laptop, which is a relative beast compared to the typical office computer with a six-core i7, a Quadro GPU, an NVMe hard drive, and 16GB of RAM (I'm working a lot with Adobe Creative Cloud, so I need a little more under the hood).

The really impressive bit was when I unlatched the bottom and slid the tool-less cover off, finding that there were two empty RAM slots, one open M.2 NVMe slot, and a whole 2.5" drive bay just waiting for a SATA drive. If there a need down the line, my IT department could upgrade the fark out of that thing. There's just nothing in the Apple laptop lineup with that kind of flexibility.
 
2019-04-14 10:54:13 PM  

Explodo: cman: After hackintoshing for over a decade I done gave it up and now use primarily Ubuntu 16.04

I still boot into Windows for games

I tried Ubuntu this year.  It was farking horrible for me and I went back to Centos.

Is the point of Ubuntu to make your PC more like using a phone or tablet(less actual control)?  Why use it?  I'm genuinely curious what you get out of using Ubuntu because I don't see the appeal.


The default Desktop Environment for Ubuntu used to be Unity, and yeah... it was hot garbage that was meant to be like a phone or tablet interface (like Win 8 tried). Now, it's reverted back to Gnome, but I still prefer Cinnamon (or at least Mate). Best out-of-the-box is likely Linux Mint - it's Ubuntu based with Cinnamon installed and quite a bit of polish. It's a bit behind Ubuntu in development, so if you have brand new hardware, Ubuntu + Cinnamon would be better for you, but Mint works on most everything just fine.
 
2019-04-14 10:57:22 PM  

Jack Sabbath: Windows 10 is an abomination before the Lord, ranking just below people who move their taskbar from its normal bottom position.


Ha! I see you've seen me share my desktop. I've been putting it at the top for years. It's more efficient, all your other application menus are up there already (File, Edit, etc.).
Of course nowadays, what with the death of UI design and controls placed any which-where, or all mashed into one undifferentiated elipsis or hamburger menu, perhaps it doesn't matter as much.
 
2019-04-14 10:58:38 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I can see why these updates could be annoying, but for years MS had millions of clueless users who never did any updates, security patches, virus definitions etc and allowed their machines to become virus and trojan ridden cesspits. I can't really blame MS for finally snapping and saying "Right! That's it! Now updates are mandatory!"


This is what really bugs me with the update complaints. Yeah it's annoying if you're on Home edition and can't use group policy to control updates, but most users shouldn't be doing that. As you said, they would just postpone them indefinitely and then become indignant when something goes wrong that a patch would have prevented. Microsoft is going to get biatched at either way, so they might as keep everything up to date.
 
2019-04-14 11:04:33 PM  
Meh. I'll probably stick with win 7 for now, clone the install to a new drive when it's time to move to 10, do an upgrade, force install Windows Media Center, and see how it goes from there.

I love me some WMC. Free program guide, integrates DVB-S2 with ATSC.
 
2019-04-14 11:05:31 PM  
It's writers like this individual who create hysteria.  He cites files going missing, but leaves out the 'some', an important piece of context that he was forced to cover in his initial article on the topic.

if I shoot six of twenty people in a room.
Then I become a fugitive.
Upon being picked up by the police, that doesn't magically change to a 'a room full of people'.
 
2019-04-14 11:16:29 PM  
I'll admit that Win 10 makes it damn hard to do anything to the system files, so it required a lot of hoop-jumping to finally get my new machine configured properly.  Now that it is is, I turned off updates, since few of their patches ever addressed issues that effected my laptops in the past.  The ONE time i was forced to install a series on my old Win7, Microsoft installed spyware that was almost impossible to remove.  It was a program known as Lojack for Laptops, which basically tells Canada where your laptop is, even though you didn't buy the program, didn't install it and didn't want it.  Was a resource hog, which how I detected it in the first place.  You have to first kill the process, add Absolute Software to the host file, erase the autochk file and hunt down a clean copy.  The chkdisk had to then be run for the command line.  Pain in the arse.  Sometimes, you have to clean up the BIOS.  At least, disabling updates hasn't changed that much.
 
2019-04-14 11:19:05 PM  

Znuh: For all of you saying 'it's not such a bad OS', punch yourself in the nuts.

Fun story. I was DJing weddings. As in, $1500 a pop weddings. I needed a rock solid laptop. I went with a Windows 10 based system. Now, I did my best to ping for updates, particularly the night before a gig. Here's the blast: 

First wedding, Windows decided to update. Luckily this was hours before the Bride was going to walk. Still, upsetting.

After that, I'd still update the night before. Then, I'd make sure to turn off ALL of Windows 10's ability to perform updates. I thought I had, too. 

End of the season, at a $2000 wedding, just before the Bride was to begin her walk, Windows Fscking 10 decided to update. And it was a long one. That almost cost me everything. Know what that feels like? It's unique. Your asshole goes infinitely tight while your bowels go looser than a fainting looney tunes character.

Windows 10 is the Boeing MAX of the Operating System world. After that, I went out with the money from that gig the VERY NEXT GODDAMN DAY, and purchased a Macbook Pro. 

Which, I might add, has worked fscking flawlessly with the number of times its updates screwing with my business down to ZERO.

10 is a sh*t operating system. Period. Hands down.


Was this in the early days of W10? Because none of that would happen now. Windows will not update during your scheduled normal hours. W10 will not update before asking you first if you are using the machine. Windows will not download updates on metered connections. (It won't run Onedrive cloud backups either, unless you okay it). And W10 won't update on boot up from Hibernate.

I use my Surface Pro every day and have never had anything like what you are describing. In the early days of W10 maybe, but they added features like the schedule etc a long time ago.
 
2019-04-14 11:20:04 PM  
Haven't had any real problems with W10 but I'm sick of updates in general.
Firefox bugs me to update a million times a day. I finally do, then two days later it's bugging me again.
Same with flash, crap cleaner, antivirus, etc.
 
2019-04-14 11:21:35 PM  
Carter Pewterschmidt:

Do you work for windows?
 
2019-04-14 11:26:34 PM  

Animatronik: If you work on a computer every day, what is the alternative?  I haven't had a serious problem with Windows in the last 2 years except for one slow update.  it helps to a clean install after buying a new computer.
It's not like Microsoft is going to offer all of their business software for Linux platforms, or that Apple products will suddenly become 100% compatible with the latest Windows products.


I've had Linux as my desktop OS for over 20 years now. I do all of my development on it. Has all the tools I need. Have a Win10 virtual machine and Mac laptop for testing on those platforms, but that's it. All of my work is done on Linux.
 
2019-04-14 11:31:15 PM  
I can just pick up a MacBook or Chromebook while I work on changing my main desktop's OS? REALLY? Just pick one up? This I did not know.

/ To the pick-up truck!
 
2019-04-14 11:50:23 PM  

Pincy: Animatronik: If you work on a computer every day, what is the alternative?  I haven't had a serious problem with Windows in the last 2 years except for one slow update.  it helps to a clean install after buying a new computer.
It's not like Microsoft is going to offer all of their business software for Linux platforms, or that Apple products will suddenly become 100% compatible with the latest Windows products.

I've had Linux as my desktop OS for over 20 years now. I do all of my development on it. Has all the tools I need. Have a Win10 virtual machine and Mac laptop for testing on those platforms, but that's it. All of my work is done on Linux.


I use Linux sometimes but virtually all the people I work with use Office applications and I need seamless doc exchange and some other features.
So its Windows 10 or bust for my work.

I think Linux Mint and Ubuntu are quite good and LibreOffice and other solutions are decent if you dont need perfect office compatibility.
 
2019-04-14 11:56:27 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Znuh: For all of you saying 'it's not such a bad OS', punch yourself in the nuts.

Fun story. I was DJing weddings. As in, $1500 a pop weddings. I needed a rock solid laptop. I went with a Windows 10 based system. Now, I did my best to ping for updates, particularly the night before a gig. Here's the blast: 

First wedding, Windows decided to update. Luckily this was hours before the Bride was going to walk. Still, upsetting.

After that, I'd still update the night before. Then, I'd make sure to turn off ALL of Windows 10's ability to perform updates. I thought I had, too. 

End of the season, at a $2000 wedding, just before the Bride was to begin her walk, Windows Fscking 10 decided to update. And it was a long one. That almost cost me everything. Know what that feels like? It's unique. Your asshole goes infinitely tight while your bowels go looser than a fainting looney tunes character.

Windows 10 is the Boeing MAX of the Operating System world. After that, I went out with the money from that gig the VERY NEXT GODDAMN DAY, and purchased a Macbook Pro. 

Which, I might add, has worked fscking flawlessly with the number of times its updates screwing with my business down to ZERO.

10 is a sh*t operating system. Period. Hands down.

Was this in the early days of W10? Because none of that would happen now. Windows will not update during your scheduled normal hours. W10 will not update before asking you first if you are using the machine. Windows will not download updates on metered connections. (It won't run Onedrive cloud backups either, unless you okay it). And W10 won't update on boot up from Hibernate.

I use my Surface Pro every day and have never had anything like what you are describing. In the early days of W10 maybe, but they added features like the schedule etc a long time ago.


I just ditched my almost 3 year old Dell XPS, that was replacing an 8 year old Mac Pro they I was only replacing because Mac wasn't supporting the chipset anymore, for a Mac mini because Win 10 was a colossal clusterfark from the jump. I regretted switching almost immediately. There were a few programs that I wanted to use that weren't on Mac, but now are and reviews said it wasn't as bad as windows 7/8 so I went with the PC.  I'd get 2 or 3 BSODs a day. I'd often wake up the system to one daily. It couldn't even crash correctly. It's would give me the collecting info will restart when done and would never restart. Tried to to a clean reinstall and it failed that. I dont have the patience or time anymore to troubleshoot every possible error or conflict on my computer. I work in graphics and need a stable platform that works when I need it to. I've had my new computer for a few weeks new and haven't had so much as an unresponsive program, let alone a crash. I never went a work day without my Win10 machine taking a dump. Fark windows, never again.
 
2019-04-15 12:02:55 AM  

Ambivalence: Honestly, what other alternatives are there to Windows these days? I know MS doesn't have the monopoly they used to, but what OS is most viable or even comparable with MS apps?

And no, I don't mean Apple. If someone wanted to format C: on their PC and install fresh, what would be a good alternative to windows?


It may be many years overdue, but there are finally stripped down Linux distros out there that install completely transparently to the user, no technical configurations needed, and have extremely good windows UI options. I have one that looks and functions very much like XP, but that's just my preference. It's all just UI choice, you can choose more of an Apple look and feel or a more modern windows feel if you like as well if that's what you are more familiar with. Hell, you can pick an ancient Amiga interface if you feel the need. It runs a choice of a couple different office suites that are very much compatible with MS Office documents, though not as polished or with as many esoteric options.
Really, Android does everything you need for 99% of office needs now anyway. I got a little Chromebook style Android thing for air travel and battery life but find my laptop stays home now as its a pig in comparison and its powerful side simply isn't needed most of the time.
 
2019-04-15 12:07:30 AM  

Animatronik: I think Linux Mint and Ubuntu are quite good and LibreOffice and other solutions are decent if you dont need perfect office compatibility.


I know its a bit obnoxious, but I have both LibreOffice and OpenOffice installed, they both have strengths. Given just one there will be rare times you have compatibility issues. They both have blind spots, but different ones it seems, so between the two I haven't found any compatibility problems that couldn't be solved by just using the other one. Not optimal, but it works.
 
2019-04-15 12:19:07 AM  
hausman007:

You don't understand. I've never had a problem with Windows 10, and as we all know annecdote equals evidence...
 
2019-04-15 12:25:54 AM  

Znuh: For all of you saying 'it's not such a bad OS', punch yourself in the nuts.

Fun story. I was DJing weddings. As in, $1500 a pop weddings. I needed a rock solid laptop. I went with a Windows 10 based system. Now, I did my best to ping for updates, particularly the night before a gig. Here's the blast: 

First wedding, Windows decided to update. Luckily this was hours before the Bride was going to walk. Still, upsetting.

After that, I'd still update the night before. Then, I'd make sure to turn off ALL of Windows 10's ability to perform updates. I thought I had, too. 

End of the season, at a $2000 wedding, just before the Bride was to begin her walk, Windows Fscking 10 decided to update. And it was a long one. That almost cost me everything. Know what that feels like? It's unique. Your asshole goes infinitely tight while your bowels go looser than a fainting looney tunes character.

Windows 10 is the Boeing MAX of the Operating System world. After that, I went out with the money from that gig the VERY NEXT GODDAMN DAY, and purchased a Macbook Pro. 

Which, I might add, has worked fscking flawlessly with the number of times its updates screwing with my business down to ZERO.

10 is a sh*t operating system. Period. Hands down.


Why did the couple spend $1500 on a iPod? They can get one for less than $200. Money problems aren't a good start to marriages.
 
2019-04-15 12:35:17 AM  
I have had windows 10 fark me less times than iOS.  In fact I've never had any issues with 10.  I know people that have and people that haven't.
 
2019-04-15 12:35:19 AM  
Anyone stuck having to use Quickbooks Manufacturing is pretty much stuck using Windows 10. If there were an alternative, we'd use it. My wife and I are small manufacturers and need that particular version of QB, there doesn't seem to be any economical alternative. Last year, the laptop we use for bookkeeping hung up on one of the updates requiring a trip to the Windows store to bring it back to life.
 
2019-04-15 12:51:33 AM  
Selective reporting to push a bs story is the best.

What the author fails to take in to account are two, very, salient facts:
1) The issues account for a tiny population of consumers
2) The significantly reduced number of infected botnet members out there because consumers don't update. Ever.

Win 10 has been, for me personally on multiple devices, the most stable yet. Add in the improved security models and I'm good.

The detractors remain whiny, malcontent, outliers desperate for validating their view that being an idiot means every issue you encounter is the fault of the OS. No. The common thread is the idiot.
 
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