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2019-04-14 04:20:53 PM  
For those of you that don't want to give ClownHall a click, I took one for the team...

Editor's note: This column was co-authored by Dr. Susan Crockford.

Netflix has recently premiered their new eight-part series titled Our Planet, with narration from the inveterate David Attenborough. One particularly grisly scene of walruses falling to their death from a high cliff in northern Russia has caused shock and revulsion among many viewers. It has also raised serious questions about the truth of a number of claims made in the documentary, in particular the claim that "climate change" is responsible for the deaths.

Other questionable claims include that a huge walrus herd ended up on a beach because there was not enough ice for them in the sea, and that they fell from a cliff due to poor eyesight. However, this was not the first year that large herds of walruses used beaches for hauling out during the early Fall.

There are extensive historical records of walruses hauling out in huge herds, up to 60,000, all across the Arctic. These observations date back to the 1930s and the 1970s, when there was extensive ice cover throughout the region. This behavior is clearly natural and seems strongly correlated to peaks in overall population size, which decline again as food resources are depleted.

Netflix seems unwilling to precisely identify the site, or sites, that were included for the walrus herd in their film or to specify exactly when the cliff incident occurred. The circumstances of the event are eerily similar to a mass death involving walruses falling from a cliff in northeastern Russia, reported in The Siberian Times on October 19, 2017.

The report is very clear in attributing the incident to a pack of at least 20 polar bears approaching the walruses. This caused panic among the walruses, resulting in a few hundred of the approximately 5,000 mammals falling to their death. The bears then feasted on the carcasses. This is as natural an event as lions taking down Cape buffalo in Africa or American Indians driving bison over cliffs at buffalo jumps.
The event was witnessed by Viktor Nikiforov, Head of the WWF Polar Bear Patrol, who was quoted stating, "The walruses were obviously frightened by the predators, panicked and fell from the top to their deaths."
However, walruses have also been known to fall off cliffs without the presence of polar bears. In some instances, lack of sea ice could not possibly have been a factor, such as at Cape Pierce, Alaska, during the 1990s.

It is ironic that activists have long insisted that polar bears are endangered by loss of ice caused by human-caused climate change. In fact both polar bear and walrus populations have increased dramatically in recent decades due largely to restrictions on hunting. The Inuit government of the northern Canadian territory Nunavut recently received a report from their committee stating that polar bears are now overpopulated in the Arctic.

The people of Ryrkaypiy, the town on the Russian coast where the incident occurred, have also been besieged by polar bears in recent years. A 2016 survey of polar bears of the Chukchi Sea, where Ryrkaypiy is located, showed they are healthy and reproducing well.

Walrus populations have grown to such an extent that many coastal haul-out locations are overcrowded, as they were in the 1970s before the population crashed. It is clear that modern-day sea ice changes, which have so far not exceeded similar changes over millions of years, have not been detrimental to the populations of these Arctic species.

Indeed, the US Fish and Wildlife service determined in 2017 that the Pacific Walrus "Does Not Require Endangered Species Act Protection" for any reason, including reduced sea ice extent. The 2007 prediction that two-thirds of the world's polar bears would disappear when summer sea ice declined dramatically has obviously failed.

The dire predictions of climate change activists have so often been proven wrong that to just automatically give them credibility is folly. Predictions that we "only have 10 years left" began in 1989 and have continued unabated ever since, now culminating with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's dire warning that the "The world is gonna end in 12years if we don't address climate change."
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To the contrary, NASA has recently demonstrated conclusively from satellite records that our CO2 emissions are greening the Earth. This has resulted in higher yields in agriculture and forestry, and more efficient use of water by vegetation generally. In fact, there is nothing occurring in weather or climate today that is anywhere near out of the ordinary with the past 10,000 years of this Holocene Interglacial Period.
It is galling that David Attenborough often finds multiple opportunities in his narrative to blame human-caused climate change for situations that are perfectly natural. Even if there were no polar bears involved it would not be justified to blame falling walruses on climate change.

In order to clarify this particular allegation further we call on Netflix to immediately identify all locations used for the walrus segment and the precise details of each shoot, including dates.

It is shocking enough to present such a gruesome incident to the general public without making them feel personally guilty for driving their cars or blame energy companies for CO2 emissions.

Dr. Susan Crockford is a Canadian zoologist specializing in evolution and the ecology of Holocene mammals, including polar bears and walrus. She is currently an adjunct assistant professor at the University of Victoria.

Dr. Patrick Moore serves as the Chairman of the CO2 Coalition, Co-Founder & 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986), Chairman and Chief Scientist for Ecosense Environmental.
 
2019-04-14 04:39:21 PM  
I rarely chime in on headlines, but goddamn it subby, fark you for making me chuckle and getting that goddamn song stuck in my head.

Numbers (I can only count to four) + LYRICS [Official] by PSYCHOSTICK Drowning Pool Bodies Parody
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2019-04-14 04:40:36 PM  
Uh, seems as though that article gets its facts wrong, or at least cherrypicks them.

"These haul-outs aren't new events, but they were once rarer, smaller, and less dangerous, according to Anatoly Kochnev, a Russian naturalist who has studied walruses for 36 years. When he started, only males gathered on these sites; now females and calves do too, and many are trampled in the scrum. When he started, haul-outs were rare in the northerly Chukchi Sea; now many sites there regularly heave with walruses."
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/a​r​chive/2019/04/why-are-walruses-walking​-off-cliffs/586510/
 
2019-04-14 04:44:27 PM  
I did not know that walruses and lemmings were related.
 
2019-04-14 04:52:34 PM  
405ppm and climbing, and CO2 is not greening the earth.  That's a crock of shiat.
 
2019-04-14 04:58:24 PM  
BTW, thanks Demetrius. No way in hell was I going to click on that.
 
2019-04-14 05:16:48 PM  
(David Attenborough voice):
It is a hard life today's denialists. Shrinking in numbers, and increasingly isolated, each day is a arduous search for scraps of blog posts to feed their thirst for talking points. But there is not enough to go around. They begin to turn on each other. Some claim the universe is electric. Others say that gravity itself keeps the world warm. In the end, these proverbial frogs entertain each other while the water in the pot begins to boil.
(graphic footage)
 
2019-04-14 05:19:46 PM  
Hoo boy, those conservatives sure do win again. Shame about our habitat no longer supporting any of us but I gotta admit, we sure got our liberal snowflake asses owned. I'm so owned, god I'm just so owned it's hilarious.
 
2019-04-14 05:21:35 PM  

make me some tea: Uh, seems as though that article gets its facts wrong, or at least cherrypicks them.

"These haul-outs aren't new events, but they were once rarer, smaller, and less dangerous, according to Anatoly Kochnev, a Russian naturalist who has studied walruses for 36 years. When he started, only males gathered on these sites; now females and calves do too, and many are trampled in the scrum. When he started, haul-outs were rare in the northerly Chukchi Sea; now many sites there regularly heave with walruses."
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/ar​chive/2019/04/why-are-walruses-walking​-off-cliffs/586510/


It's TownHall. Odds are they deliberately got the facts wrong.
 
2019-04-14 05:22:35 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: BTW, thanks Demetrius. No way in hell was I going to click on that.


Indeed. Demetrius is the Real MVP.
 
2019-04-14 05:33:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I did not know that walruses and lemmings were related.


In that neither of them really naturally throw themselves off cliffs unless humans are farking shiat up,,,yeah exactly like lemmings
 
2019-04-14 05:45:55 PM  
Well then, it's a good thing that I am the Eggman.

/goo goo g'joob
 
2019-04-14 05:54:24 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I did not know that walruses and lemmings were related.


The timeline in which human beings shoot billions of tons of chemicals into the air and people have to prove this is a bad thing has been an interesting one.
 
2019-04-14 05:59:43 PM  
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Studies were done that showed, conclusively that environmental lead was increasing. And that leaded gasoline was responsible for a good chunk of that, as well as data sets showing increases in violence and medical issues related to lead toxicity.

It took almost a hundred years for folks to finally do something, because industry said, "we need more time to study the issue" or "the data is inconclusive."

It took how long for cigarettes to even carry a warning as a carcinogen? Despite years of data showing direct correlations with the risk factors involved?

The difficulty here is that we don't have a hundred years to correct this. We've already wasted a LOT of years, and we're reaching a nasty tipping point, and yet...here we are with folks willing to bet that they are going to be dead before the bill comes due, and that their comfort NOW is worth more than their posterity. And it's not particularly saving walruses, or any other specific species, it's a matter of survival for hundreds of thousands of species. And we're not even the most populous of them.

It's well past time to show the door to apologists who are being paid to obfuscate an issue, because it would just be easier to keep doing things until we fall off the cliff.
 
2019-04-14 06:23:36 PM  

Demetrius: the inveterate David Attenborough


Inveterate what, exactly? You can't just use that word by itself. English does not work that way.
 
2019-04-14 06:25:10 PM  

Demetrius: For those of you that don't want to give ClownHall a click, I took one for the team...


Perhaps we could link to an archived version of the site instead? This way the content is still readable, but we aren't giving clicks to media sources we don't like.
 
2019-04-14 06:25:15 PM  

fusillade762: Demetrius: the inveterate David Attenborough

Inveterate what, exactly? You can't just use that word by itself. English does not work that way.


Ever notice how the very people who demand everyone speak English often have no grasp of the language themselves?
 
2019-04-14 06:25:30 PM  

fusillade762: Demetrius: the inveterate David Attenborough

Inveterate what, exactly? You can't just use that word by itself. English does not work that way.


I'm pretty sure Attenborough is a vertebrate
 
2019-04-14 06:27:51 PM  

make me some tea: Uh, seems as though that article gets its facts wrong, or at least cherrypicks them.

"These haul-outs aren't new events, but they were once rarer, smaller, and less dangerous, according to Anatoly Kochnev, a Russian naturalist who has studied walruses for 36 years. When he started, only males gathered on these sites; now females and calves do too, and many are trampled in the scrum. When he started, haul-outs were rare in the northerly Chukchi Sea; now many sites there regularly heave with walruses."
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/ar​chive/2019/04/why-are-walruses-walking​-off-cliffs/586510/


Clownhall is cherry-picking things?

Surely, you jest!
 
2019-04-14 06:28:35 PM  
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2019-04-14 06:28:39 PM  
Oh, yeah, but I'm the pessimistic one.
 
2019-04-14 06:29:34 PM  
Dr. Patrick Moore serves as the Chairman of the CO2 Coalition, Co-Founder & 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986), Chairman and Chief Scientist for Ecosense Environmental.

This guy. Again.

Greenpeace statement updated this year:  https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/g​r​eenpeace-statement-on-patric/
 
2019-04-14 06:31:09 PM  
Winners don't click Clownhall links.
 
2019-04-14 06:31:55 PM  

Badmoodman: Dr. Patrick Moore serves as the Chairman of the CO2 Coalition, Co-Founder & 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986), Chairman and Chief Scientist for Ecosense Environmental.

This guy. Again.

Greenpeace statement updated this year:  https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/gr​eenpeace-statement-on-patric/


It doesn't matter. Lying right-wing assholes are going to keep quoting Patrick Moore because they can. It doesn't matter how discredited or full of bullshiat that guy is, he's willing to prostitute himself to the cause, so the cause is happy to peddle what he's sellin'.
 
2019-04-14 06:32:15 PM  
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"How did they fit so much derp into one website?!"
 
2019-04-14 06:33:07 PM  
Summoning The Beast (when it all started) StickDeath.com
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In a way, it functions as a metaphor for climate change.
 
2019-04-14 06:34:13 PM  
Dr. Patrick Moore serves as the Chairman of the CO2 Coalition, Co-Founder & 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986)

Patrick Moore is full of sh*t.

/not to be confused with Sir Patrick Moore, a real scientist.
 
2019-04-14 06:35:56 PM  

fusillade762: Demetrius: the inveterate David Attenborough

Inveterate what, exactly? You can't just use that word by itself. English does not work that way.


Basically they're just saying that he's been David Attenborough for a long time.
 
2019-04-14 06:36:08 PM  

Wonktnod: Demetrius: For those of you that don't want to give ClownHall a click, I took one for the team...

Perhaps we could link to an archived version of the site instead? This way the content is still readable, but we aren't giving clicks to media sources we don't like.


It's not about not supporting sites we don't like, it's the undeniable fact that right wing news and commentary outlets lack credibility. I would love to find a credibility conservative outlet for news and opinion.  I don't mind reading things I disagree with or seeing points of view that are contrary to my own, in fact I like to do that.  It may change my mind, it may strengthen my views. But I will not support propaganda outlets that can't support that opinions with actual facts.
 
2019-04-14 06:37:53 PM  

FormlessOne: Badmoodman: Dr. Patrick Moore serves as the Chairman of the CO2 Coalition, Co-Founder & 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986), Chairman and Chief Scientist for Ecosense Environmental.

This guy. Again.

Greenpeace statement updated this year:  https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/gr​eenpeace-statement-on-patric/

It doesn't matter. Lying right-wing assholes are going to keep quoting Patrick Moore because they can. It doesn't matter how discredited or full of bullshiat that guy is, he's willing to prostitute himself to the cause, so the cause is happy to peddle what he's sellin'.


So they don't believe the consensus of thousands of scientists but suddenly the guy that says he'd drink a glass of weed killer is the true genius they believe
 
2019-04-14 06:41:25 PM  

fusillade762: Demetrius: the inveterate David Attenborough

Inveterate what, exactly? You can't just use that word by itself. English does not work that way.


Inveterate David, dude! It's right there in front of you. Sumbiatch wanders around daviding left and right, in case you hadn't noticed. Why, just last Thursday he was at Buckingham Palace and davided two guards and a chambermaid. It was all over the news.
 
2019-04-14 06:42:08 PM  

webron: I would love to find a credibility conservative outlet for news and opinion.


We are at a point now where "conservative" in the modern understanding falls along a continuum between "reactionary anti-government bunker dweller" and "expectant gas chamber operator." The main dividing line between left and right has shifted so radically that it's no longer a discussion about the extent to which government should be deployed to solve society's problems, but rather one side that's generally in favor of rational government existing, and another side that wants clown cars full of HYDRA operatives flame-throwering everything outside of gated communities.

All of that is to say by definition, you will not find such a thing anymore.
 
2019-04-14 06:44:17 PM  
I had to go and look at the comments of the article so much stupid in one place!

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2019-04-14 06:45:24 PM  

hubiestubert: We've already wasted a LOT of years, and we're reaching a nasty tipping point, and yet...here we are with folks willing to bet that they are going to be dead before the bill comes due, and that their comfort NOW is worth more than their posterity.


The younger ones, who don't seriously believe they'll be long dead before it inconveniences them personally, are hard at work working on selecting the scapegoats they can blame it on. Enter the "eco-fascism" of the Christchurch shooter.
 
2019-04-14 06:46:36 PM  

HairyNevus: Dr. Patrick Moore serves as the Chairman of the CO2 Coalition, Co-Founder & 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986)

Patrick Moore is full of sh*t.

/not to be confused with Sir Patrick Moore, a real scientist.


I gotta say, going after a Ph.D. can drive anyone crazy, and I have first-hand experience with that.  If, after years of work, the job offers you get conflict with your ethics and morals, you're gonna take a job and toe their corporate line because you have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

It's not necessarily wrong that folks with credentials in the field are contesting issues in a documentary, but using a platform like Clownhall ain't the place to do it.  Try to pick a fairly neutral site to air your grievances, and provide citations.
 
2019-04-14 06:46:48 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: 405ppm and climbing, and CO2 is not greening the earth.  That's a crock of shiat.


Famine-Good Omens

First thing I thought of...sounds like his schtick.
 
2019-04-14 06:49:28 PM  
Getting climate news from Clownhall is like getting financial advice from a crack whore
 
2019-04-14 06:50:15 PM  

TorpedoOrca: FormlessOne: Badmoodman: Dr. Patrick Moore serves as the Chairman of the CO2 Coalition, Co-Founder & 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986), Chairman and Chief Scientist for Ecosense Environmental.

This guy. Again.

Greenpeace statement updated this year:  https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/gr​eenpeace-statement-on-patric/

It doesn't matter. Lying right-wing assholes are going to keep quoting Patrick Moore because they can. It doesn't matter how discredited or full of bullshiat that guy is, he's willing to prostitute himself to the cause, so the cause is happy to peddle what he's sellin'.

So they don't believe the consensus of thousands of scientists but suddenly the guy that says he'd drink a glass of weed killer is the true genius they believe


Confirmation bias, thy name is ClownHall.
 
2019-04-14 06:50:39 PM  

Avery614: Marcus Aurelius: 405ppm and climbing, and CO2 is not greening the earth.  That's a crock of shiat.

Famine-Good Omens

First thing I thought of...sounds like his schtick.


That book just refuses to lose relevance doesn't it. :)
 
2019-04-14 06:51:27 PM  

nyseattitude: Getting climate news from Clownhall is like getting financial advice from a crack whore


The latter might give you a gem, given how many financial neophytes are getting crack-whore hummers to "spice things up a bit." She might've overheard something.

Unlike Clownhall, who's busy giving alt-righters handjobs and wiping their hands on their jackets.
 
2019-04-14 06:55:24 PM  

Demetrius: For those of you that don't want to give ClownHall a click, I took one for the team...

Editor's note: This column was co-authored by Dr. Susan Crockford.

Netflix has recently premiered their new eight-part series titled Our Planet, with narration from the inveterate David Attenborough. One particularly grisly scene of walruses falling to their death from a high cliff in northern Russia has caused shock and revulsion among many viewers. It has also raised serious questions about the truth of a number of claims made in the documentary, in particular the claim that "climate change" is responsible for the deaths.

Other questionable claims include that a huge walrus herd ended up on a beach because there was not enough ice for them in the sea, and that they fell from a cliff due to poor eyesight. However, this was not the first year that large herds of walruses used beaches for hauling out during the early Fall.

There are extensive historical records of walruses hauling out in huge herds, up to 60,000, all across the Arctic. These observations date back to the 1930s and the 1970s, when there was extensive ice cover throughout the region. This behavior is clearly natural and seems strongly correlated to peaks in overall population size, which decline again as food resources are depleted.

Netflix seems unwilling to precisely identify the site, or sites, that were included for the walrus herd in their film or to specify exactly when the cliff incident occurred. The circumstances of the event are eerily similar to a mass death involving walruses falling from a cliff in northeastern Russia, reported in The Siberian Times on October 19, 2017.

The report is very clear in attributing the incident to a pack of at least 20 polar bears approaching the walruses. This caused panic among the walruses, resulting in a few hundred of the approximately 5,000 mammals falling to their death. The bears then feasted on the carcasses. This is as natural an event as lions taking down Cap ...


Susan Janet Crockford (born 1954) is a Canadian zoologist, author, and blogger specializing in Holocene mammals. She is currently an adjunct professor in Anthropology at the University of Victoria.[1]She is best known for her blog posts on polar bear biology, which oppose the scientific consensus that polar bears are threatened by ongoing climate change.[2]
 
2019-04-14 06:55:28 PM  
 
2019-04-14 07:02:45 PM  

HairyNevus: Dr. Patrick Moore serves as the Chairman of the CO2 Coalition, Co-Founder & 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986)

Patrick Moore is full of sh*t.

/not to be confused with Sir Patrick Moore, a real scientist.


CO2 Coalition? I'm not even going to Google that. It's very clear what it represents.
 
2019-04-14 07:08:55 PM  

hubiestubert: The difficulty here is that we don't have a hundred years to correct this. We've already wasted a LOT of years, and we're reaching a nasty tipping point, and yet...here we are with folks willing to bet that they are going to be dead before the bill comes due, and that their comfort NOW is worth more than their posterity. And it's not particularly saving walruses, or any other specific species, it's a matter of survival for hundreds of thousands of species. And we're not even the most populous of them.


The difficulty is we have basically zero years to correct this.  Past 2 degrees, we start looking at a self-sustaining warming cycle that doesn't need our help anymore.  To avoid 2 degrees, we probably need to go to flat out zero carbon emissions (preferably negative) by... uh... *checks notes* next year.

That means SHUT. EVERYTHING. DOWN. Ban the burning of any carbon-releasing fuels. Radical change in society overnight. Would be entirely impossible without causing mass famine, which leads to civil unrest, wars, of course it'd be hard to enforce it on nations that didn't want to do it...

Yeah, no, we're just farked.  Totally and completely. Our only actual, workable hope now is to invent a technology for sucking massive amounts of carbon out of the air.  My contingency plan is to find a real live genie in a lamp, and wish for all the excess carbon in the atmosphere to be converted into something useful (like carbon nanotubes maybe?) and deposited on top of the mansions of oil execs and any conservatives who have profited from putting out AGW-denialist propaganda.
 
2019-04-14 07:11:49 PM  

indy_kid: HairyNevus: Dr. Patrick Moore serves as the Chairman of the CO2 Coalition, Co-Founder & 15-year leader of Greenpeace (1971-1986)

Patrick Moore is full of sh*t.

/not to be confused with Sir Patrick Moore, a real scientist.

I gotta say, going after a Ph.D. can drive anyone crazy, and I have first-hand experience with that.  If, after years of work, the job offers you get conflict with your ethics and morals, you're gonna take a job and toe their corporate line because you have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

It's not necessarily wrong that folks with credentials in the field are contesting issues in a documentary, but using a platform like Clownhall ain't the place to do it.  Try to pick a fairly neutral site to air your grievances, and provide citations.


Bull farking shiat.

The only person that forces you to lose your own integrity is yourself. Outright lying is lying.

They should both be put in a room that is going to fill slowly with Co2 and they only way they can get out is by drinking a glass weed killer or fighting a polar bear.
 
2019-04-14 07:14:44 PM  

DemonEater: hubiestubert: The difficulty here is that we don't have a hundred years to correct this. We've already wasted a LOT of years, and we're reaching a nasty tipping point, and yet...here we are with folks willing to bet that they are going to be dead before the bill comes due, and that their comfort NOW is worth more than their posterity. And it's not particularly saving walruses, or any other specific species, it's a matter of survival for hundreds of thousands of species. And we're not even the most populous of them.

The difficulty is we have basically zero years to correct this.  Past 2 degrees, we start looking at a self-sustaining warming cycle that doesn't need our help anymore.  To avoid 2 degrees, we probably need to go to flat out zero carbon emissions (preferably negative) by... uh... *checks notes* next year.

That means SHUT. EVERYTHING. DOWN. Ban the burning of any carbon-releasing fuels. Radical change in society overnight. Would be entirely impossible without causing mass famine, which leads to civil unrest, wars, of course it'd be hard to enforce it on nations that didn't want to do it...

Yeah, no, we're just farked.  Totally and completely. Our only actual, workable hope now is to invent a technology for sucking massive amounts of carbon out of the air.  My contingency plan is to find a real live genie in a lamp, and wish for all the excess carbon in the atmosphere to be converted into something useful (like carbon nanotubes maybe?) and deposited on top of the mansions of oil execs and any conservatives who have profited from putting out AGW-denialist propaganda.


You're right. Everything and everyone comes to an end. There is no hope. No joy. No life beyond despair.  Why even bother trying to teach the unwashed masses of your enlightened ways? They are filth and deserve nothing. Tell the children, "sorry, lol." They will understand.
 
2019-04-14 07:17:56 PM  

Pernicious Q. Varmint: fusillade762: Demetrius: the inveterate David Attenborough

Inveterate what, exactly? You can't just use that word by itself. English does not work that way.

Inveterate David, dude! It's right there in front of you. Sumbiatch wanders around daviding left and right, in case you hadn't noticed. Why, just last Thursday he was at Buckingham Palace and davided two guards and a chambermaid. It was all over the news.


You must be thinking of Roger, not David.  It's more fun going around rogering things
 
2019-04-14 07:18:12 PM  
Walruses have always died when things got really bad! So we can ignore them dying now!
 
2019-04-14 07:18:59 PM  

DemonEater: hubiestubert: The difficulty here is that we don't have a hundred years to correct this. We've already wasted a LOT of years, and we're reaching a nasty tipping point, and yet...here we are with folks willing to bet that they are going to be dead before the bill comes due, and that their comfort NOW is worth more than their posterity. And it's not particularly saving walruses, or any other specific species, it's a matter of survival for hundreds of thousands of species. And we're not even the most populous of them.

The difficulty is we have basically zero years to correct this.  Past 2 degrees, we start looking at a self-sustaining warming cycle that doesn't need our help anymore.  To avoid 2 degrees, we probably need to go to flat out zero carbon emissions (preferably negative) by... uh... *checks notes* next year.

That means SHUT. EVERYTHING. DOWN. Ban the burning of any carbon-releasing fuels. Radical change in society overnight. Would be entirely impossible without causing mass famine, which leads to civil unrest, wars, of course it'd be hard to enforce it on nations that didn't want to do it...

Yeah, no, we're just farked.  Totally and completely. Our only actual, workable hope now is to invent a technology for sucking massive amounts of carbon out of the air.  My contingency plan is to find a real live genie in a lamp, and wish for all the excess carbon in the atmosphere to be converted into something useful (like carbon nanotubes maybe?) and deposited on top of the mansions of oil execs and any conservatives who have profited from putting out AGW-denialist propaganda.


Yup.


Newsroom Climate change
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The movie is over folks. We're just watching the credits.

If we're really lucky, it may be a double feature.

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2019-04-14 07:24:30 PM  

The Lurker at Your Threshold: DemonEater: hubiestubert: The difficulty here is that we don't have a hundred years to correct this. We've already wasted a LOT of years, and we're reaching a nasty tipping point, and yet...here we are with folks willing to bet that they are going to be dead before the bill comes due, and that their comfort NOW is worth more than their posterity. And it's not particularly saving walruses, or any other specific species, it's a matter of survival for hundreds of thousands of species. And we're not even the most populous of them.

The difficulty is we have basically zero years to correct this.  Past 2 degrees, we start looking at a self-sustaining warming cycle that doesn't need our help anymore.  To avoid 2 degrees, we probably need to go to flat out zero carbon emissions (preferably negative) by... uh... *checks notes* next year.

That means SHUT. EVERYTHING. DOWN. Ban the burning of any carbon-releasing fuels. Radical change in society overnight. Would be entirely impossible without causing mass famine, which leads to civil unrest, wars, of course it'd be hard to enforce it on nations that didn't want to do it...

Yeah, no, we're just farked.  Totally and completely. Our only actual, workable hope now is to invent a technology for sucking massive amounts of carbon out of the air.  My contingency plan is to find a real live genie in a lamp, and wish for all the excess carbon in the atmosphere to be converted into something useful (like carbon nanotubes maybe?) and deposited on top of the mansions of oil execs and any conservatives who have profited from putting out AGW-denialist propaganda.

Yup.


[YouTube video: Newsroom Climate change]

The movie is over folks. We're just watching the credits.

If we're really lucky, it may be a double feature.

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So, why are you still here?
 
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