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2019-04-14 04:37:20 PM  
If their "reasons" include not wanting criminals to wander the streets they are sworn to keep safe, then I don't see the problem.  Good for them.  They should also seize the vehicle if the person has more than 4 or 5 unpaid tickets.
 
2019-04-14 05:17:05 PM  
Hell - when I worked there, Tacoma would pursue prosecution for library fines.
 
2019-04-14 05:21:41 PM  

Lucky LaRue: If their "reasons" include not wanting criminals to wander the streets they are sworn to keep safe, then I don't see the problem.  Good for them.  They should also seize the vehicle if the person has more than 4 or 5 unpaid tickets.


Why make things so onerous for the State?  Seize the vehicle right there at any speeding stop, suspend their license, and revoke their voting rights until they pay the ticket.  If there are any children in the car, obviously they'll have to be moved to foster care right there (you could have a van that goes around and picks up the kids all day and night.)

When they pay the ticket, they get everything back.  Except one tire.  The State keeps a tire for punishment.
 
2019-04-14 05:25:43 PM  

Lucky LaRue: If their "reasons" include not wanting criminals to wander the streets they are sworn to keep safe, then I don't see the problem.  Good for them.  They should also seize the vehicle if the person has more than 4 or 5 unpaid tickets.


Apparently I got modded for baiting you. But you know, I know, everyone knows these are the sorts of laws on the books that are selectively enforced according to who the perp is. This tags minorities extensively and those who 'just don't look right.'

And you know it.
 
2019-04-14 06:34:46 PM  
Because you're black subby?

.....rtfa


Ohhhh, cuz you're poor. My mistake.
 
2019-04-14 06:42:35 PM  
Texas has a poverty rate near 15 percent. It's the 14th poorest state in the country

But I've been assured low taxes and lax regulations would make everybody rich?
 
2019-04-14 07:20:11 PM  

fusillade762: Texas has a poverty rate near 15 percent. It's the 14th poorest state in the country

But I've been assured low taxes and lax regulations would make everybody rich?


How is Texas defining that term?  Because I am sure they believe all the humans are quite rich - and the untermenschen don't matter.
 
2019-04-14 07:34:49 PM  
Hey Subby, here's a list of ALL the states that WON'T  arrest you for unpaid parking tickets:
 
2019-04-14 07:52:21 PM  
Micro$ofts fault?
 
2019-04-14 07:53:27 PM  
Don't live in TX.  Depopulate the state.  If for some reason you literally (and I mean it) you can't leave, don't have children there.  Don't produce goods or services that go to TX or send any funds to TX.  Shun anybody including family who does.  Siege the state.  Eventually it will collapse and everybody in the state will die.  Then wipe TX from the history books.  Resettle the land with the right people.
 
2019-04-14 07:53:39 PM  

phalamir: fusillade762: Texas has a poverty rate near 15 percent. It's the 14th poorest state in the country

But I've been assured low taxes and lax regulations would make everybody rich?

How is Texas defining that term?  Because I am sure they believe all the humans are quite rich - and the untermenschen don't matter.


/roll eyes
 
2019-04-14 07:54:22 PM  
We still have debtors' prisons in America.
 
2019-04-14 07:55:52 PM  
I think ALL those yawlin' drawlin' Texan "justice"system officers need to be thrown in jail without bail.

Southerners just don't get it.  Maybe the hot sun down there cooks their brains and makes them dumb.
 
2019-04-14 07:58:37 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Because you're black subby?

.....rtfa


Ohhhh, cuz you're poor. My mistake.


Do poor people not have to follow traffic laws?
 
2019-04-14 08:09:31 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Lucky LaRue: If their "reasons" include not wanting criminals to wander the streets they are sworn to keep safe, then I don't see the problem.  Good for them.  They should also seize the vehicle if the person has more than 4 or 5 unpaid tickets.

Apparently I got modded for baiting you. But you know, I know, everyone knows these are the sorts of laws on the books that are selectively enforced according to who the perp is. This tags minorities extensively and those who 'just don't look right.'

And you know it.


I dont know "it".  Sounds like your just making up shiat without facts.
 
2019-04-14 08:19:50 PM  
It's Texas.
Have 2 or more parking tickets, it's off to the electric chair for you.
Plus your extended family.
And your little dog too!
 
2019-04-14 08:20:01 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Hell - when I worked there, Tacoma would pursue prosecution for library fines.


Here's the deal... If you have $2,000 in unpaid tickets and are obviously not interested in following the law, then putting you in jail for, say, 80 days to pay off at $25/day is perfectly acceptable to me.

But threatening you with jail time for any ticketable offense is absolutely ludicrous.

There's a line here, but a lot of these places seem to thrive on crossing that line..
 
2019-04-14 08:21:37 PM  
A truth they left out of the article, payment plans are available.
Get a fine for a traffic ticket and don't have the money, arrange with the court to pay it off over a period of months.
I do not find it unreasonable to impose fines for violating traffic laws.
 
2019-04-14 08:21:53 PM  
I'm poor so I get to ignore fines and laws? Go smell Frisco, Seattle, and Pooland, Oregon, see how that's working out. Go Texas.
 
2019-04-14 08:25:53 PM  
Cobos, who has been on the bench for 23 years, is vehemently against using jail as a punishment for poverty-he calls it a "last resort." He remembers a case in which a woman was fined $300 for not having insurance. Instead of making her pay the fine, he required her to use the money to buy insurance.

This isn't a thing everywhere? In AZ, if you get a ticket like this (No insurance, expired tags, suspended license, etc...), this fine is like $450(in the no insurance example), but if you have it taken care of before you show up in court, it's like$50. Of course, it's not "required"  You can either do the grown up thing and fix your mistake, or you can pay waaaaaaay more and continue to skate. It's an incentive...
 
2019-04-14 08:28:42 PM  
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2019-04-14 08:30:40 PM  
Can't they just send them to California?
 
2019-04-14 08:31:20 PM  
Pay your tickets, then you won't go to jail.
 
2019-04-14 08:32:44 PM  

abiigdog: I'm poor so I get to ignore fines and laws? Go smell Frisco, Seattle, and Pooland, Oregon, see how that's working out. Go Texas.


If you're wealthy you get to ignore them.
 
2019-04-14 08:34:25 PM  

Begoggle: abiigdog: I'm poor so I get to ignore fines and laws? Go smell Frisco, Seattle, and Pooland, Oregon, see how that's working out. Go Texas.

If you're wealthy you get to ignore them.


Oh and if you're middle class you have to pay them.
If you're poor, you can't pay them, so nobody gets anything, and the middle class pays more.
I'm going to bet you are middle class that is taking it up the ass to protect rich people.
 
2019-04-14 08:35:09 PM  

American-Irish eyes: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Lucky LaRue: If their "reasons" include not wanting criminals to wander the streets they are sworn to keep safe, then I don't see the problem.  Good for them.  They should also seize the vehicle if the person has more than 4 or 5 unpaid tickets.

Apparently I got modded for baiting you. But you know, I know, everyone knows these are the sorts of laws on the books that are selectively enforced according to who the perp is. This tags minorities extensively and those who 'just don't look right.'

And you know it.

I dont know "it".  Sounds like your just making up shiat without facts.


Lol, is this a new alt?
 
2019-04-14 08:36:00 PM  
Meh.  All folks have to do is quit parking like assholes.  I don't buy this bs that they can't afford a parking ticket.  If that were true they wouldn't be able to to drive around in a car.  All they have to do is not pay for gas for a couple weeks, take the bus instead, and pay the damn ticket.  Besides, if they knew they couldn't afford a parking ticket then why did they park illegally?  These sorts of crims have only themselves to blame.  Instead they want to blame "the system" or whatever for keeping them down.  Their total unwillingness to take accountability for their actions is why they end up in the messes they do.
 
2019-04-14 08:38:21 PM  

Mikey1969: Cobos, who has been on the bench for 23 years, is vehemently against using jail as a punishment for poverty-he calls it a "last resort." He remembers a case in which a woman was fined $300 for not having insurance. Instead of making her pay the fine, he required her to use the money to buy insurance.

This isn't a thing everywhere? In AZ, if you get a ticket like this (No insurance, expired tags, suspended license, etc...), this fine is like $450(in the no insurance example), but if you have it taken care of before you show up in court, it's like$50. Of course, it's not "required"  You can either do the grown up thing and fix your mistake, or you can pay waaaaaaay more and continue to skate. It's an incentive...


No, we're seeing a rise in debtors prisons in some states. People thrown behind bars for not being able to pay fines. It's very lucrative for the prison industry.
 
2019-04-14 08:38:41 PM  

Lucky LaRue: If their "reasons" include not wanting criminals to wander the streets they are sworn to keep safe, then I don't see the problem.  Good for them.  They should also seize the vehicle if the person has more than 4 or 5 unpaid tickets.


I get that actual liberal media such as Mother Jones is to Hundred Percent Red Blood Americans roughly as penicillin is to Escherichia coli, but could you be a sport and RTFA just this once?
 
2019-04-14 08:39:04 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Hell - when I worked there, Tacoma would pursue prosecution for library fines.


When was this?
 
2019-04-14 08:40:44 PM  
I get folk saying pay your tickets so you don't go to jail. That does seem to be the status quo.

The problem I have is that when you jail a person he is no longer able to contribute to society. Instead he becomes a ward of society. And his employer will probably fire him for being unable to show up for work.

Now you have a ward of society who can't ever pay any fines. And since he has been a prisoner and unable to pay his fines, he becomes a pariah who is unable to acquire a job from the vast majority of employers given the fact that they dislike pariahs especially.

So let me get this straight. In your attempt to collect a fine, you created a career criminal who is unemployable even at Wal-Mart, McDonald's, or the steel mill. And this is a good thing for the rest of us?

/was neither wisdom nor justice which led you to this result, mr. jail-them-all
 
2019-04-14 08:43:29 PM  
This is common all over. I got arrested in MN over one more than a decade ago.
 
2019-04-14 08:44:17 PM  

SurelyShirley: Can't they just send them to California?


California is already 100% Mexican in some places, 90% most others; you might want to wait until the rest of the white richers bail out for Colorado, Arizona, and unfortunately Texas to make room first.
 
2019-04-14 08:44:53 PM  
Which means the legislature wouldn't pass 7th grade history. Texas was settled by people just ahead of debtors prison.
 
2019-04-14 08:44:55 PM  
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2019-04-14 08:46:32 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Meh.  All folks have to do is quit parking like assholes.  I don't buy this bs that they can't afford a parking ticket.  If that were true they wouldn't be able to to drive around in a car.  All they have to do is not pay for gas for a couple weeks, take the bus instead, and pay the damn ticket.  Besides, if they knew they couldn't afford a parking ticket then why did they park illegally?  These sorts of crims have only themselves to blame.  Instead they want to blame "the system" or whatever for keeping them down.  Their total unwillingness to take accountability for their actions is why they end up in the messes they do.


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This is fun, how about "let them eat cake"?
 
2019-04-14 08:47:56 PM  

casual disregard: I get folk saying pay your tickets so you don't go to jail. That does seem to be the status quo.

The problem I have is that when you jail a person he is no longer able to contribute to society. Instead he becomes a ward of society. And his employer will probably fire him for being unable to show up for work.

Now you have a ward of society who can't ever pay any fines. And since he has been a prisoner and unable to pay his fines, he becomes a pariah who is unable to acquire a job from the vast majority of employers given the fact that they dislike pariahs especially.

So let me get this straight. In your attempt to collect a fine, you created a career criminal who is unemployable even at Wal-Mart, McDonald's, or the steel mill. And this is a good thing for the rest of us?

/was neither wisdom nor justice which led you to this result, mr. jail-them-all


No, it was breaking the law in the first place. They don't like the penalty then they shouldn't commit the crime.

Texas may indeed lean towards being overly legalistic, but come out here to the wild west frontier of West Texass and see how the townies and out-of-townies drive: trust me, with one of the highest traffic fatality rates in the country we need the enforcement.
 
2019-04-14 08:47:58 PM  

casual disregard: I get folk saying pay your tickets so you don't go to jail. That does seem to be the status quo.

The problem I have is that when you jail a person he is no longer able to contribute to society. Instead he becomes a ward of society. And his employer will probably fire him for being unable to show up for work.

Now you have a ward of society who can't ever pay any fines. And since he has been a prisoner and unable to pay his fines, he becomes a pariah who is unable to acquire a job from the vast majority of employers given the fact that they dislike pariahs especially.

So let me get this straight. In your attempt to collect a fine, you created a career criminal who is unemployable even at Wal-Mart, McDonald's, or the steel mill. And this is a good thing for the rest of us?

/was neither wisdom nor justice which led you to this result, mr. jail-them-all


The bigger problem I have is that fines in the US are fixed.dollar amounts. John Smith, Attorney At Law, doesn't care if he gets a parking ticket or a hundred parking tickets. Worst case he'll take an Uber Black for a few weeks and have it resolved in court. John Q. Public, who just finished a shift at McDonald's can't get to his next job because his car has been booted. Now he loses the job because he was late once, and can't make his next payment so the car is repossessed. Then he loses the other job because he has no car.

That ain't equal justice under the law.
 
2019-04-14 08:48:45 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Don't live in TX.  Depopulate the state.  If for some reason you literally (and I mean it) you can't leave, don't have children there.  Don't produce goods or services that go to TX or send any funds to TX.  Shun anybody including family who does.  Siege the state.  Eventually it will collapse and everybody in the state will die.  Then wipe TX from the history books.  Resettle the land with the right people.


Wow... just wow...

FYI, Texas and Ohio had roughly the same percent of the population vote for Hillary. Texas generates more wind power than any other state in the US (just under four times what California generates). Four of the largest wind farms in the world are in Texas. We're third in patents generated by state. Silicon Valley tends to stack the deck with derivative patents. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your stupid.
 
M-G
2019-04-14 08:54:41 PM  
Subby's headline, and TFA headline both say "parking" tickets, but all I see mentioned in the article is "traffic" tickets and other misdemeanors.   Without any evidence provided, it's like they're trying to make us think that people are getting tossed in jail because they didn't feed the parking meter...
 
2019-04-14 08:54:59 PM  

thespindrifter: casual disregard: I get folk saying pay your tickets so you don't go to jail. That does seem to be the status quo.

The problem I have is that when you jail a person he is no longer able to contribute to society. Instead he becomes a ward of society. And his employer will probably fire him for being unable to show up for work.

Now you have a ward of society who can't ever pay any fines. And since he has been a prisoner and unable to pay his fines, he becomes a pariah who is unable to acquire a job from the vast majority of employers given the fact that they dislike pariahs especially.

So let me get this straight. In your attempt to collect a fine, you created a career criminal who is unemployable even at Wal-Mart, McDonald's, or the steel mill. And this is a good thing for the rest of us?

/was neither wisdom nor justice which led you to this result, mr. jail-them-all

No, it was breaking the law in the first place. They don't like the penalty then they shouldn't commit the crime.

Texas may indeed lean towards being overly legalistic, but come out here to the wild west frontier of West Texass and see how the townies and out-of-townies drive: trust me, with one of the highest traffic fatality rates in the country we need the enforcement.


I get a speeding ticket sometimes.
I pay it by mail.
Then I continue driving the same way as always, because it's just the cost of driving however I want.
If you like me doing the crime, you'll keep things the same as they are.
 
2019-04-14 08:55:53 PM  

wildcardjack: Which means the legislature wouldn't pass 7th grade history. Texas was settled by people just ahead of debtors prison.


I wasn't aware the Comanche, Apache, Wichita, Pueblo, Carrizo and dozen or so other tribes tribes had debtor prisons.
 
2019-04-14 08:57:53 PM  
Wouldn't work in my city. You actually have to pay to be in jail or if you're on house arrest. $25 a day.
 
2019-04-14 08:59:02 PM  

Begoggle: Ima4nic8or: Meh.  All folks have to do is quit parking like assholes.  I don't buy this bs that they can't afford a parking ticket.  If that were true they wouldn't be able to to drive around in a car.  All they have to do is not pay for gas for a couple weeks, take the bus instead, and pay the damn ticket.  Besides, if they knew they couldn't afford a parking ticket then why did they park illegally?  These sorts of crims have only themselves to blame.  Instead they want to blame "the system" or whatever for keeping them down.  Their total unwillingness to take accountability for their actions is why they end up in the messes they do.

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This is fun, how about "let them eat cake"?


All the derision toward the refrigerator stat was a bit unfair.  Its a fair point.  We are such a filthy rich nation that we look at people who have a car, a cell phone and a refrigerator and think they can be poor.  Its nuts.  Go to Uganda, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Congo or Liberia and see if they think someone with those things is poor.
 
2019-04-14 08:59:29 PM  

thespindrifter: casual disregard: I get folk saying pay your tickets so you don't go to jail. That does seem to be the status quo.

The problem I have is that when you jail a person he is no longer able to contribute to society. Instead he becomes a ward of society. And his employer will probably fire him for being unable to show up for work.

Now you have a ward of society who can't ever pay any fines. And since he has been a prisoner and unable to pay his fines, he becomes a pariah who is unable to acquire a job from the vast majority of employers given the fact that they dislike pariahs especially.

So let me get this straight. In your attempt to collect a fine, you created a career criminal who is unemployable even at Wal-Mart, McDonald's, or the steel mill. And this is a good thing for the rest of us?

/was neither wisdom nor justice which led you to this result, mr. jail-them-all

No, it was breaking the law in the first place. They don't like the penalty then they shouldn't commit the crime.

Texas may indeed lean towards being overly legalistic, but come out here to the wild west frontier of West Texass and see how the townies and out-of-townies drive: trust me, with one of the highest traffic fatality rates in the country we need the enforcement.


I believe in rehabilitation, not punishment. One is useful and one is cruel.

Have you ever made a mistake? Have you ever sinned? A mortal sin, perhaps? I bet if I sent secret police to pour over your life and rifle through it with a fine-toothed comb they could come up with a reason, maybe even a good reason, to grind your bones into dust while you still breathe.

That's what this is really about. What can I find given the opportunity? Those idiots got unlucky. Maybe given time you will be unlucky as well? Be careful how you make your wishes. The State may just grant them when it is inconvenient for you personally.

Or maybe there's another way. Maybe the gavel needn't shatter knees and elbows.
 
2019-04-14 09:01:11 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: A truth they left out of the article, payment plans are available.
Get a fine for a traffic ticket and don't have the money, arrange with the court to pay it off over a period of months.
I do not find it unreasonable to impose fines for violating traffic laws.


How weird, that "truth" is mentioned right farking here:

In 2017, the Texas Legislature passed a law that aimed to shift the penalty for being unable to pay out class C misdemeanors from jail time to alternatives like community service. It encouraged judges to consider longer-term payment plans instead of jail, and clarified that judges have the power to waive fines altogether.

Reading? Yeah, it's farking fundamental.
 
2019-04-14 09:03:44 PM  

Tex570: AmbassadorBooze: Don't live in TX.  Depopulate the state.  If for some reason you literally (and I mean it) you can't leave, don't have children there.  Don't produce goods or services that go to TX or send any funds to TX.  Shun anybody including family who does.  Siege the state.  Eventually it will collapse and everybody in the state will die.  Then wipe TX from the history books.  Resettle the land with the right people.

Wow... just wow...

FYI, Texas and Ohio had roughly the same percent of the population vote for Hillary. Texas generates more wind power than any other state in the US (just under four times what California generates). Four of the largest wind farms in the world are in Texas. We're third in patents generated by state. Silicon Valley tends to stack the deck with derivative patents. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your stupid.


So you are saying that it is right to jail people for parking tickets?

If it isn't right, according to texans, why don't they change the laws?  Why dint they do local sieges against any and all who have wrong thoughts and ideas?  How many good texans are willing to provide food and water and power and everything else to wrong thinking people?  They are complicit.  They are not willing to do whatever it takes to make sure only good people reproduce, genetically and memetically.  They are not willing to let darwin split the species into two and make competition prove that the idea of jailing for unpaid parking tickets is a bad choice for procreation and ongoing civilization.
 
2019-04-14 09:04:40 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Mikey1969: Cobos, who has been on the bench for 23 years, is vehemently against using jail as a punishment for poverty-he calls it a "last resort." He remembers a case in which a woman was fined $300 for not having insurance. Instead of making her pay the fine, he required her to use the money to buy insurance.

This isn't a thing everywhere? In AZ, if you get a ticket like this (No insurance, expired tags, suspended license, etc...), this fine is like $450(in the no insurance example), but if you have it taken care of before you show up in court, it's like$50. Of course, it's not "required"  You can either do the grown up thing and fix your mistake, or you can pay waaaaaaay more and continue to skate. It's an incentive...

No, we're seeing a rise in debtors prisons in some states. People thrown behind bars for not being able to pay fines. It's very lucrative for the prison industry.


Well, you have to be a little more precise there...

I went to jail twice for not being able to pay a ticket. But it was more than I could pay, and I understood that if I got my ID run, I was going to jail. This was acceptable to me. The difference is that I'm talking about a DUI fine and a fine for driving in a suspended license after the DUI. I'm not talking about a parking ticket here. My case is perfectly acceptable, but it is technically a "fine that I couldn't afford".
 
2019-04-14 09:08:21 PM  

casual disregard: I get folk saying pay your tickets so you don't go to jail. That does seem to be the status quo.

The problem I have is that when you jail a person he is no longer able to contribute to society. Instead he becomes a ward of society. And his employer will probably fire him for being unable to show up for work.

Now you have a ward of society who can't ever pay any fines. And since he has been a prisoner and unable to pay his fines, he becomes a pariah who is unable to acquire a job from the vast majority of employers given the fact that they dislike pariahs especially.

So let me get this straight. In your attempt to collect a fine, you created a career criminal who is unemployable even at Wal-Mart, McDonald's, or the steel mill. And this is a good thing for the rest of us?

/was neither wisdom nor justice which led you to this result, mr. jail-them-all


i think it's to act as a deterrent for others, not a solution for the afflicted !
 
2019-04-14 09:12:38 PM  
'Murica.
 
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