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(Sports Business Daily)   Three months before kickoff, the AAF was running out of money, so they were hoping Vince McMahon would merge his XFL with them. "There were a lot of indications in those conversations that they were scrambling around and everyone's hair was on fire"   (sportsbusinessdaily.com) divider line
    More: Obvious, Vince McMahon, Charlie Ebersol, XFL kingpin Vince McMahon, AAF's prospective top investor, Carolina Hurricanes owner Tom Dundon, AAF's season, inaugural season, AAF  
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2019-04-14 03:51:59 PM  
Sound business planning.
 
2019-04-14 03:54:48 PM  
XFL is doomed.
 
2019-04-14 03:57:38 PM  

Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.


So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.
 
2019-04-14 04:19:51 PM  
There should be some major lawsuits coming out of this mess.
 
2019-04-14 04:24:40 PM  
I didn't realize they had already shut down.  There goes someone's weekly greenlit thread.
 
2019-04-14 04:26:13 PM  
And still the Hurricanes owner pledged $250 million (and actually spent about $70 million) on that mess.

If he piled up the cash and burned it it  might have lasted longer than his investment
 
2019-04-14 04:26:28 PM  

kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.


I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.
 
2019-04-14 04:29:32 PM  
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, we won't get fooled again

/ I'll watch if they have strippers for cheerleaders again
 
2019-04-14 04:33:10 PM  

Dafatone: kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.

I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.


An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?
 
2019-04-14 04:35:53 PM  
So it's like what the USFL planned, except with a savior organization that had already failed and didn't currently exist?
 
2019-04-14 04:40:32 PM  

Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.


This.  Vince is an idiot.  The XFL will never work
 
2019-04-14 04:43:59 PM  

mcreel: Dafatone: kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.

I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.

An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?


Who watches the NBA d-league?
 
2019-04-14 05:00:28 PM  

Dafatone: mcreel: Dafatone: kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.

I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.

An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?

Who watches the NBA d-league?


Actually it is currently called the G League, because of a promotional relationship with Gatorade.

That's how few people watch it.
 
2019-04-14 05:02:25 PM  

baorao: Dafatone: mcreel: Dafatone: kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.

I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.

An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?

Who watches the NBA d-league?

Actually it is currently called the G League, because of a promotional relationship with Gatorade.

That's how few people watch it.


Exactly. My point is that a developmental / minor football league could maaaaaaaybe work, but you'd have to set the expectations that low. Instead, we get things like the AAF, which set viewership and profit projections sky-high as if people will tune in in droves to watch Trent Richardson.
 
2019-04-14 05:27:31 PM  
Tom Dundon deserves all the pain and more coming his way.
 
2019-04-14 05:37:19 PM  

baorao: And still the Hurricanes owner pledged $250 million (and actually spent about $70 million) on that mess.

If he piled up the cash and burned it it  might have lasted longer than his investment


He bought the gambling app they were developing, plus I'm sure he got more out of it.
 
2019-04-14 05:48:57 PM  

Dafatone: Exactly. My point is that a developmental / minor football league could maaaaaaaybe work, but you'd have to set the expectations that low. Instead, we get things like the AAF, which set viewership and profit projections sky-high as if people will tune in in droves to watch Trent Richardson.


Well, I mean, it is Trent Richardson. You watch Trent Richardson to see how he's gonna fark up next.
 
2019-04-14 05:58:41 PM  

Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.


Security cameras in the cheerleaders locker rooms is still politically correct, right?
 
2019-04-14 07:11:34 PM  

mcreel: Dafatone: kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.

I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.

An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?


Portland checking in.  Mid-major cities without a D1 level college team?
 
2019-04-14 08:26:40 PM  
I watched a couple of games and didn't find it to be too terribly worse than the NFL it's just amazing how the NFL brand has people so entranced, it kind of defeats an argument I used to have from the movie The Replacements I honestly figured if NFL players went on strike people would still watch the NFL but maybe they wouldn't
 
2019-04-14 08:39:53 PM  
You're trusting a guy who got rich farking over his contemporaries, about whom one former promoter said "he killed my faith in the handshake deal". The man who is primarily known for killing his competition?

He wasn't going to merge with you. He was going to wait until you died of starvation and consume the corpse.
 
2019-04-14 08:50:45 PM  

dk47: mcreel: Dafatone: kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.

I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.

An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?

Portland checking in.  Mid-major cities without a D1 level college team?


Portland isn't that far from Eugene.
 
2019-04-14 09:09:12 PM  

WillofJ2: I honestly figured if NFL players went on strike people would still watch the NFL but maybe they wouldn't


Do you not remember 1987? The NFL went on strike. There were replacement players. People still watched.
 
2019-04-14 09:28:29 PM  
Worst part: AAF believes it's contracts are still legit and have value... so: Former AAF player, no CFL for you!
 
2019-04-14 09:41:24 PM  
Ebersol is a farking conman.
 
2019-04-14 09:41:29 PM  

Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.


Good. F*ck Vince McMahon.
 
2019-04-14 10:15:36 PM  
Vince didn't screw the AAF. The AAF screwed the AAF
 
2019-04-14 10:31:34 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Vince didn't screw the AAF. The AAF screwed the AAF


This. Their entire business model revolved around trying to force the NFL to buy something they never asked for.
 
2019-04-14 10:37:40 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Vince didn't screw the AAF. The AAF screwed the AAF


Exactly they screwed up and tried to launch with out NFL support something honestly that was doomed to fail unless they had a warchest of billions to operate on while the league got traction.
 
2019-04-14 10:38:12 PM  

Gonz: WillofJ2: I honestly figured if NFL players went on strike people would still watch the NFL but maybe they wouldn't

Do you not remember 1987? The NFL went on strike. There were replacement players. People still watched.


I would have been 4, but I'll take your word on it, ha
 
2019-04-14 10:45:53 PM  

stoli n coke: Representative of the unwashed masses: Vince didn't screw the AAF. The AAF screwed the AAF

This. Their entire business model revolved around trying to force the NFL to buy something they never asked for.


I mentioned in an AAF thread a few weeks ago, Ebersol was all over the radio and ESPN in the weeks leading up to the season and pretty much everyone asked him about funding because of previous start up league failures.

He assured everyone the money was there and was pretty much saying they were swimming in pools full of silicon valley cash because of their "technology". It was obviously all bullshiat. And I still don't know what "technology" they claimed to invent that's so great.

There are a billion gambling apps out there. I can't imagine theirs is so much more innovative than anything that already exists. If it was, they could have gotten the money they needed.
 
2019-04-14 11:01:30 PM  
XFL - which has secured liability and workers compensation insurance

Vince actually secured that?

mcreel: An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?


They did in Frankfort, Dusseldorf, Amsterdam, Berlin, London, Barcelona, Edinburgh, and Glasgow.
 
2019-04-14 11:32:21 PM  

tnpir: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

Good. F*ck Vince McMahon.


As if scoops will let a WWF venture to fark overthe NFL will fail.
 
2019-04-14 11:43:31 PM  

Gonz: WillofJ2: I honestly figured if NFL players went on strike people would still watch the NFL but maybe they wouldn't

Do you not remember 1987? The NFL went on strike. There were replacement players. People still watched.


i remember the replacement games well. as a steelers fan - it was great to have Steve "Sonny" Bono in at QB instead of the horrible, horrible, no good, awful Mark Malone.

one thing the replacement games did give us was one of the greatest SNL sports skits ever -

NFL Today: Scab Football - SNL
Youtube ew7u9LS9X08


/the "sip-n-save's you make the call" commercial at 1:48 still makes me laugh to this day...
//did i mention how bad Mark Malone was at QB?
 
2019-04-15 12:01:13 AM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: XFL - which has secured liability and workers compensation insurance

Vince actually secured that?

mcreel: An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?

They did in Frankfort, Dusseldorf, Amsterdam, Berlin, London, Barcelona, Edinburgh, and Glasgow.


They had a league which players were paid well under $100,000 and outside a couple German cities was barely watched until the NFL decided it had dumped enough cash down the drain and pulled the plug.

I don't think an NFL Developmental League has much of a chance to be successful. Football has a far larger roster than other major sports and much higher injury risks combined with extremely short seasons. Do you really want your bright up and coming player risking injury there? No, so it would largely be a league of the long shots and no shots.

The Arena Football League has stayed afloat but has struggled regularly with large turnover of teams and it runs at half the roster of a full sized team and far smaller facilities.
 
2019-04-15 12:05:04 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: baorao: And still the Hurricanes owner pledged $250 million (and actually spent about $70 million) on that mess.

If he piled up the cash and burned it it  might have lasted longer than his investment

He bought the gambling app they were developing, plus I'm sure he got more out of it.


Maybe not


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.acti​o​nnetwork.com/nfl/aaf-folds-tom-dundon-​technology
 
2019-04-15 12:46:57 AM  

johnny_vegas: Benevolent Misanthrope: baorao: And still the Hurricanes owner pledged $250 million (and actually spent about $70 million) on that mess.

If he piled up the cash and burned it it  might have lasted longer than his investment

He bought the gambling app they were developing, plus I'm sure he got more out of it.

Maybe not


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.actio​nnetwork.com/nfl/aaf-folds-tom-dundon-​technology


Hadn't heard that - thanks
 
2019-04-15 01:32:14 AM  
Again, as much of a shiatshow as the AAF was behind the scenes, it looked closer to real football than even the NFL is capable of these days.  The sky judge was a great idea, and I'd love to see that in the NFL.

Plus, as a Gators fan, Spurrier got a second championship in the forty years since UGA last won one, so there's that.
 
2019-04-15 09:53:48 AM  

poconojoe: Gonz: WillofJ2: I honestly figured if NFL players went on strike people would still watch the NFL but maybe they wouldn't

Do you not remember 1987? The NFL went on strike. There were replacement players. People still watched.

i remember the replacement games well. as a steelers fan - it was great to have Steve "Sonny" Bono in at QB instead of the horrible, horrible, no good, awful Mark Malone.

one thing the replacement games did give us was one of the greatest SNL sports skits ever -

[YouTube video: NFL Today: Scab Football - SNL]

/the "sip-n-save's you make the call" commercial at 1:48 still makes me laugh to this day...
//did i mention how bad Mark Malone was at QB?


So just me that the penalty missed an extra Patriots player?
 
2019-04-15 02:47:26 PM  

mcreel: Dafatone: kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.

I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.

An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?


Degenerate gamblers?
 
2019-04-15 03:41:55 PM  

Rwa2play: mcreel: Dafatone: kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.

I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.

An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?

Degenerate gamblers?


Why would they watch the game? They can google the results
 
2019-04-15 03:53:47 PM  

dywed88: Rwa2play: mcreel: Dafatone: kudayta: Big_Doofus: XFL is doomed.

So long as college football remains the de facto minor league for the NFL, all other football minor leagues are doomed as well.

I think there's room for an NFL d-league, but it will be about as popular as the NBA d-league.

An NFL funded league in cities that don't have a team with JuCo, undergrad, or practice squad guys playing for about $100K a year?
Who would watch that?

Degenerate gamblers?

Why would they watch the game? They can google the results

Degenerate

gamblers wouldn't just Google the results.  They'd watch and take in-game wagers, too.
 
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