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2019-04-14 09:41:42 AM  
Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...
 
2019-04-14 09:49:53 AM  

edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...


Walmart is doing that. They are paying 80K+ a year with 3 years of experience.
 
2019-04-14 09:51:44 AM  
"Be a trucker! See Real American, one gross truck stop at a time"

I travel a lot and in my work capacity I have been engaged with some construction of truck depots for some of these large companies. They are paranoid as hell about the whackadoodles getting in and going postal. Perhaps a pay hike could mitigate that. But I bet you they still don't want them in their buildings.
 
2019-04-14 09:55:53 AM  
Is that a home security system mounted on that truck's roof?  Cause that ain't lidar....
 
2019-04-14 10:51:17 AM  

edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...


Because free market also means people are a resource, a thing to be exploited.
 
2019-04-14 11:00:10 AM  
best part is the training software is already developed

American Truck Simulator Game Features
Youtube K5T6UZWSUbs
 
2019-04-14 11:05:34 AM  

AsparagusFTW: edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...

Walmart is doing that. They are paying 80K+ a year with 3 years of experience.


When Walmart leads the industry in paying for labor, you know you are in one shaitty industry.
/bet the schedule still makes you want to jump ship for Amazon
//and the software *always* wants to route you under the 6'-11" bridge (probably.  Wallmart tends to have a highly effective internal IT department)
///and you are docked pay for deviating from that route
 
2019-04-14 11:27:16 AM  

edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...


Unless Hollywood has misinformed me, I'm pretty sure most truckers supplement their income on the professional arm wrestling circuit.
 
2019-04-14 11:51:04 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Is that a home security system mounted on that truck's roof?  Cause that ain't lidar....


Lidar is expensive, much of the industry is still insistent it can all be done with camera only.
 
2019-04-14 11:57:47 AM  
A growing issue is also cannabis (pun slightly intended). Trucking companies are required to do pre-employment and random drug testing for the "Federal Five (now Six with other metabolites of opioids)," including THC. We're kicking about 20%* of applicants out due to a positive THC metabolite test.
I've said it before; we need an objective test for impairment. We shouldn't have to care if you toked or ate some MJ over the weekend, or on vacation, as long as you don't show up stoned on Monday.

*I think that was the most recent number from HR.
 
2019-04-14 12:24:06 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: AsparagusFTW: edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...

Walmart is doing that. They are paying 80K+ a year with 3 years of experience.

When Walmart leads the industry in paying for labor, you know you are in one shaitty industry.
/bet the schedule still makes you want to jump ship for Amazon
//and the software *always* wants to route you under the 6'-11" bridge (probably.  Wallmart tends to have a highly effective internal IT department)
///and you are docked pay for deviating from that route


There's also the standard bait and switch.
"We NEED truckers NOW!"
"But we won't pay for them until they've been here for 3 years."
 
2019-04-14 01:20:49 PM  

Unobtanium: A growing issue is also cannabis (pun slightly intended). Trucking companies are required to do pre-employment and random drug testing for the "Federal Five (now Six with other metabolites of opioids)," including THC. We're kicking about 20%* of applicants out due to a positive THC metabolite test.
I've said it before; we need an objective test for impairment. We shouldn't have to care if you toked or ate some MJ over the weekend, or on vacation, as long as you don't show up stoned on Monday.

*I think that was the most recent number from HR.


When I was growing up, an airline pilot friend of my fathers used to say the rule of thumb for flying was "8 hours from bottle to throttle"
Nowadays I think the rule is 8 feet.
 
2019-04-14 01:26:45 PM  

AsparagusFTW: edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...

Walmart is doing that. They are paying 80K+ a year with 3 years of experience.


There is a sticking point , in order to get that 80k Salary you have to have that experience, the new folks just starting out are not getting anywhere near that much.   LIkely no more than half or less than that $80k offer Walmart has.

Inthe end it comes down to the classic job seekers quandary , you can't get a job without experience but how can you get experience if no one will hire you?
 
2019-04-14 01:34:25 PM  
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2019-04-14 01:51:02 PM  

Invincible: Marcus Aurelius: Is that a home security system mounted on that truck's roof?  Cause that ain't lidar....

Lidar is expensive, much of the industry is still insistent it can all be done with camera only.


Most of what industry? The only car company that thinks camera only is feasible is Tesla. Everyone else insists that LIDAR is necessary.
 
2019-04-14 02:13:36 PM  
My brother is a truck driver. My other brother is a diesel mechanic. Both have helped my brother buy and maintain the truck until he got it paid off- which is becoming harder and harder to do.

The toll it takes on the body is another story. Back, hip issues from sitting all day with no chance to stand up and stretch.

And with everyone as an "independent contractor" that means little or no health care.
 
2019-04-14 02:18:44 PM  

edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...


And stop butting into what people do on their own time.  Can't smoke weed ever, and you're saddled with a crazy .02 bac limit even when driving your personal vehicle.
 
2019-04-14 02:25:04 PM  
No, self driving trucks are not here.
Walmart is going all-in on hiring the unicorn drivers, the safe ones who can pass physical, drug, financial, criminal background, and driving tests, and paying them well. If Walmart isn't in on auto- and electric trucks, then book it, it's NOT happening anytime soon. Structural conditions arising from a contraction of the labor force (retiring boomers) and relatively high bars to entry for the average idiot (drugs, physical, mental, financial, criminal) will keep truck driver supply low.

The only shortage is of companies willing to pay drivers what they're worth.
Also, the first time a driverless truck kills a family or a school bus full of kids, it's over.

Truck driving is a zero-error activity and machines are too stupid to do it all the time, everywhere, under all the conditions in which humans operate. Never mind pre- and post-trip inspections, attempted hijackings, and just plain human nature, which will lead to events like people shooting at and brake checking self-driving vehicles just for kicks.

Might as well get all excited for autonomous electric-powered plumbers.
 
2019-04-14 02:33:17 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: AsparagusFTW: edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...

Walmart is doing that. They are paying 80K+ a year with 3 years of experience.

When Walmart leads the industry in paying for labor, you know you are in one shaitty industry.
/bet the schedule still makes you want to jump ship for Amazon
//and the software *always* wants to route you under the 6'-11" bridge (probably.  Wallmart tends to have a highly effective internal IT department)
///and you are docked pay for deviating from that route


Uh, not really. 
Fifty bucks a night for sleeping in the truck, that's harsh.
Qualcom and navigo are industry standard nav equipment. Smart drivers use don't depend only on them.
Amazon doesn't have a private fleet.
Health insurance kicks in on day one of employment.
Trucking hours are standard across the industry, and getting two days/three nights off is becoming the new normal.
Eighty thousand per year is well above the average two-earner household income in the United States.
 
2019-04-14 03:07:00 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Invincible: Marcus Aurelius: Is that a home security system mounted on that truck's roof?  Cause that ain't lidar....

Lidar is expensive, much of the industry is still insistent it can all be done with camera only.

Most of what industry? The only car company that thinks camera only is feasible is Tesla. Everyone else insists that LIDAR is necessary.


You're right, all the mature efforts are using lidar and intensity maps. I deal a lot with the startups and academics in the autonomous car effort. Both on road and off. Every newcomer has to learn it the hard way.
 
2019-04-14 03:13:06 PM  
Low pay, treated like shiat by the companies you work for and everyone is in a race to the bottom and then get under cut by East Indians who are happy making 1/4 of what a North American requires to make things work then add the most regulations of any industry and I wonder why no one wants to be a truck driver.
Good paying runs/companies are far and few between and Walmart may pay good.  But they'll also expect you to run 20 hour days.
As they were charged here in Ontario with making a driver run 20 hours straight or be fired and then rear end a car.
 
2019-04-14 03:20:32 PM  

Hyjamon: best part is the training software is already developed

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/K5T6UZWS​Ubs]


No wonder I keep getting fired, I used this for training

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My best jump so far

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2019-04-14 03:30:31 PM  

Invincible: Marcus Aurelius: Is that a home security system mounted on that truck's roof?  Cause that ain't lidar....

Lidar is expensive, much of the industry is still insistent it can all be done with camera only.


That and Lidar is fairly easily defeated in snow / heavy rain. So yes in perfect weather lidar is superior but it degrades rapidly so cameras augmented with ultrasonics / radar is really the most well rounded approach.
 
2019-04-14 04:08:19 PM  

Loki009: Invincible: Marcus Aurelius: Is that a home security system mounted on that truck's roof?  Cause that ain't lidar....

Lidar is expensive, much of the industry is still insistent it can all be done with camera only.

That and Lidar is fairly easily defeated in snow / heavy rain. So yes in perfect weather lidar is superior but it degrades rapidly so cameras augmented with ultrasonics / radar is really the most well rounded approach.


The have cameras as well and cameras are worse in snow.
There are no level 5 autonomous vehicles
 
kab
2019-04-14 04:11:20 PM  
Yikes, we should pay drivers and try to not fark them over with schedule and route nonsense.
 
2019-04-14 04:56:40 PM  
lots of support for buggy whip manufacturers.

As for the whole "the first time there's a collision/death..." if that were true we wouldn't have a motorized vehicle industry to begin with.  I'd be willing to lay down good money that the same was said about the first automobiles.

I'm in favor of self-driving vehicles, and highway driving is far more predictable and controlled than city driving.  I've driven long distance across the US (> 1000 miles) many times, and it's not hard to do.  The difficult part was staying awake.

Anyone who brake-checks deserves exactly what happens to them, although I expect a computer will have not only a faster response time, but better control of the vehicle than a person, once the software has matured.

The trucking industry is going through what the steel industry already went through.  At the end there will be fewer but more advanced and specialized jobs handling the rigs.
 
2019-04-14 05:15:24 PM  
Ya, no, we aren't even close on automated trucks running across this country. In empty country like New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and parts of California/Texas where the weather is optimal all year long? MAYBE. but for the other 40+ states with heavy traffic, shiatty roads, and snow/ice, we're still decades away from AI handling that.
 
2019-04-14 05:58:21 PM  

the voice of raisin: Anyone who brake-checks deserves exactly what happens to them, although I expect a computer will have not only a faster response time, but better control of the vehicle than a person, once the software has matured.


I'm not going to buy into any internet evangelism of autonomous vehicles, but if there's anything they will be able to do well, it's trace the plate, upload a video and tag anyone driving like an ass.
 
2019-04-14 07:41:17 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Invincible: Marcus Aurelius: Is that a home security system mounted on that truck's roof?  Cause that ain't lidar....

Lidar is expensive, much of the industry is still insistent it can all be done with camera only.

Most of what industry? The only car company that thinks camera only is feasible is Tesla. Everyone else insists that LIDAR is necessary.


Then no one thinks that "camera only" is feasible, because Tesla uses a combination of cameras, ultrasonic, and radar.
 
2019-04-14 07:49:13 PM  
What the trucking industry needs is a good smack up the side of the head in the form of national regulations that do not allow semi-trucks with two or more trailers, single trailers longer than 45 feet, or other over sized monstrosities. That quantity of goods should move on a FREIGHT train with trucks picking up the goods at the freight station nearest the final destination.
 
zez
2019-04-14 07:54:56 PM  
A friend of mine is a feeder driver for UPS, he seems to make good money and has fantastic insurance.
 
2019-04-14 08:38:26 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: No, self driving trucks are not here.
Walmart is going all-in on hiring the unicorn drivers, the safe ones who can pass physical, drug, financial, criminal background, and driving tests, and paying them well. If Walmart isn't in on auto- and electric trucks, then book it, it's NOT happening anytime soon. Structural conditions arising from a contraction of the labor force (retiring boomers) and relatively high bars to entry for the average idiot (drugs, physical, mental, financial, criminal) will keep truck driver supply low.

The only shortage is of companies willing to pay drivers what they're worth.
Also, the first time a driverless truck kills a family or a school bus full of kids, it's over.

Truck driving is a zero-error activity and machines are too stupid to do it all the time, everywhere, under all the conditions in which humans operate. Never mind pre- and post-trip inspections, attempted hijackings, and just plain human nature, which will lead to events like people shooting at and brake checking self-driving vehicles just for kicks.

Might as well get all excited for autonomous electric-powered plumbers.


This would make perfect sense, if human drivers never got in accidents.

But they do.  Human drivers drive drunk, get distracted and run off the road, fall asleep, and do everything else under the sun wrong.  Computer driven vehicles don't have to be perfect, they just have to be better then people, which won't be all that hard to do.

Pre and post trip inspections can still be done by people.  Loading and unloading can still be done by people.  All you need the computer system to do is to drive down the highway hour after hour.  When something eventually goes wrong, like an accident blocking the road or a blizzard or a flat tire, the truck can just pull over and wait for a human to rescue it or tell it what to do.
 
2019-04-14 09:08:34 PM  

Nadie_AZ: My brother is a truck driver. My other brother is a diesel mechanic. Both have helped my brother buy and maintain the truck until he got it paid off- which is becoming harder and harder to do.

The toll it takes on the body is another story. Back, hip issues from sitting all day with no chance to stand up and stretch.

And with everyone as an "independent contractor" that means little or no health care.


Dont forget about the unspoken plight of drivers that buy their own rigs. The trucking company usually hires you less and less the more you have paid off, expecting you to eventually default on the loan for the truck and repoing it, all while expecting you to remain exclusive to them.

Trucking companies promise the sun and the moon but it is a sucker's bet.
 
2019-04-14 09:18:28 PM  

zez: A friend of mine is a feeder driver for UPS, he seems to make good money and has fantastic insurance.


This in indeed true. But they have to drive up and down 95 and the Turnpike overnight, and to me, that outweighs any potential benefit. I will continue to make my good money and fantastic insurance personally delivering your Amazon order, thank you very much.

\More nudity when answering the door would be much appreciated, thank you!!
 
2019-04-14 09:37:37 PM  
As I'm sure has been stated:  They pay like shiat and complain about not having drivers.  Pay up and people will show up.
 
2019-04-14 10:08:57 PM  

rummonkey: Nadie_AZ: My brother is a truck driver. My other brother is a diesel mechanic. Both have helped my brother buy and maintain the truck until he got it paid off- which is becoming harder and harder to do.

The toll it takes on the body is another story. Back, hip issues from sitting all day with no chance to stand up and stretch.

And with everyone as an "independent contractor" that means little or no health care.

Dont forget about the unspoken plight of drivers that buy their own rigs. The trucking company usually hires you less and less the more you have paid off, expecting you to eventually default on the loan for the truck and repoing it, all while expecting you to remain exclusive to them.

Trucking companies promise the sun and the moon but it is a sucker's bet.


Sounds like driving that truck into headquarters is the best repo they can get.

Trucking is a terrible, exploitative job industry. Pay people more and treat them better or die out. The end.
 
2019-04-14 10:55:09 PM  
I would be a trucker doing long-haul no problem. Im LEO now and don't make great money. The problem is I can't find a company that wants to pay for my schooling, pay me to train and cover my room and meal expenses.

If they want me to drive they gotta pay. My uncle is a truck driver and loves it. Always had. He makes less now though than he did in the 90s and early 2000s. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
2019-04-14 11:57:11 PM  
B.J. and the Bear made me think being a trucker would be more fun.
 
2019-04-15 12:26:13 AM  
Wait, you're saying that a job that any moron can be trained to do and which requires not much more than sitting all day doing nothing doesn't pay well?

Shocking!
 
2019-04-15 02:15:26 AM  

MizzouFTW: I would be a trucker doing long-haul no problem. Im LEO now and don't make great money. The problem is I can't find a company that wants to pay for my schooling, pay me to train and cover my room and meal expenses.

If they want me to drive they gotta pay. My uncle is a truck driver and loves it. Always had. He makes less now though than he did in the 90s and early 2000s. Doesn't make a lot of sense.


Best deal in trucking schools is community college. Five, six, eight weeks, whatever.
Then look for a company that hires newbies. Schneider is probably your best choice there.
They do paid orientation and a couple meals a day and a motel room for the duration.
If you make it through orientation, then take a servant's attitude that you're happy just to have a job and suck it up and be the serf for the experience. It will suck. Get over it.
 
2019-04-15 02:17:25 AM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: Wait, you're saying that a job that any moron can be trained to do and which requires not much more than sitting all day doing nothing doesn't pay well?

Shocking!


I'm sure you can back a 53-foot trailer with your eyes closed in the rain at night.
Anybody moron can do that, right?
 
2019-04-15 05:21:25 AM  
But if you replace all the truck drivers with robots the entire meth industry will collapse!
 
2019-04-15 06:40:49 AM  

2chris2: Computer driven vehicles don't have to be perfect, they just have to be better then people, which won't be all that hard to do.


It is pretty hard to do.  Even bad drivers do not cause very many accidents.  It does help that they take away people licensees
 
2019-04-15 07:14:24 AM  

edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...


well to be fair this country was founded on the idea of free labor
 
2019-04-15 08:40:43 AM  

Nadie_AZ: My brother is a truck driver. My other brother is a diesel mechanic. Both have helped my brother buy and maintain the truck until he got it paid off- which is becoming harder and harder to do.

The toll it takes on the body is another story. Back, hip issues from sitting all day with no chance to stand up and stretch.

And with everyone as an "independent contractor" that means little or no health care.


I'm not a big fan of the jump straight to autonomous driving talk.  Need to implement and perfect Drive-by-Wire technology first.  Then, you could drive truck with an X-box controller which would mean that you don't have to sit down and use your feet.  Add lane keep assist and smart cruise, now you've got the ability to have an exercise bike or treadmill in the cab.

Hell, with drive by wire, you could pilot the thing with a single joystick and now people who are stuck in wheelchairs can be long haul truckers...

/patent pending
 
2019-04-15 09:11:45 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: AsparagusFTW: edmo: Pay enough and people will flock to become truck drivers. Funny how the free market discussion always has an exemption for labor. Perhaps stop looking at labor as a parasitic cost and consider it a true value adder.

But I ramble...

Walmart is doing that. They are paying 80K+ a year with 3 years of experience.

When Walmart leads the industry in paying for labor, you know you are in one shaitty industry.
/bet the schedule still makes you want to jump ship for Amazon
//and the software *always* wants to route you under the 6'-11" bridge (probably.  Wallmart tends to have a highly effective internal IT department)
///and you are docked pay for deviating from that route


Read the article in the New Yorker on Warren Buffets Midwest mega-warehouse city.  He supplies WalMart, Amazon, and other big retailers with their plastic crap from China.  He setup six "temp to perm" agencies to ensure no workers actually get permanently hired and are perpetually paid rock bottom wages (they are fired then re-hires by another agency).  That includes the short haul truckers in the region.
Besides being absurdly profitable, health care costs are recently a big deterrent for hiring labor full time, why not pay them so little they get a big ACA subsidy?  It's almost as if single payer would be good or something.
Paul Krugman also had a good article on the decline of wages using truckers as an example.  Truck drivers have lost some 70% of compensation since the high water mark in the 1960s, yet there is a much higher demand today.  It turns out there is an exact inverse correlation between union membership and compensation, and that labor unions also boost professional salaries as well.
 
2019-04-15 09:15:35 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Pats_Cloth_Coat: Wait, you're saying that a job that any moron can be trained to do and which requires not much more than sitting all day doing nothing doesn't pay well?

Shocking!

I'm sure you can back a 53-foot trailer with your eyes closed in the rain at night.
Anybody moron can do that, right?


If its going straight back, sure. If it isn't, wouldn't you need your eyes open

You get some training, you get some practice, it's not a complicated skill.  So I've been told by a friend who has been driving semi's for somewhere around 25 years.
 
2019-04-15 09:46:21 AM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: HotIgneous Intruder: Pats_Cloth_Coat: Wait, you're saying that a job that any moron can be trained to do and which requires not much more than sitting all day doing nothing doesn't pay well?

Shocking!

I'm sure you can back a 53-foot trailer with your eyes closed in the rain at night.
Anybody moron can do that, right?

If its going straight back, sure. If it isn't, wouldn't you need your eyes open

You get some training, you get some practice, it's not a complicated skill.  So I've been told by a friend who has been driving semi's for somewhere around 25 years.


So, you think your friend is a moron?
 
2019-04-15 10:11:52 AM  

JellyPig: Pats_Cloth_Coat: HotIgneous Intruder: Pats_Cloth_Coat: Wait, you're saying that a job that any moron can be trained to do and which requires not much more than sitting all day doing nothing doesn't pay well?

Shocking!

I'm sure you can back a 53-foot trailer with your eyes closed in the rain at night.
Anybody moron can do that, right?

If its going straight back, sure. If it isn't, wouldn't you need your eyes open

You get some training, you get some practice, it's not a complicated skill.  So I've been told by a friend who has been driving semi's for somewhere around 25 years.

So, you think your friend is a moron?


Any moron can take a shiat. But not everyone who takes a shiat is a moron.

Not grasping that simple difference makes you a moron.
 
2019-04-15 10:44:33 AM  
Considering how competitive city bus driving jobs are (hint: government pension and benefits and union), the only, ONLY explanation for the shortage of truck drivers is "the remuneration is terrible, and no one's willing to pay more".
 
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