Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(CNN)   Get out your shocked face: Police officer won't face charges for shooting an inmate in a holding cell after DA said he was "excused" for thinking it was okay   (amp.cnn.com) divider line
    More: Asinine, Constable, Police, small-town Pennsylvania police officer, Manslaughter, Crime, Firearm, Criminal law, Gun  
•       •       •

5062 clicks; posted to Main » on 14 Apr 2019 at 4:19 AM (13 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



118 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2019-04-14 02:42:44 AM  
I'm certain the DA would extend any of us civilians the same courtesy.
 
2019-04-14 04:29:26 AM  
Sounds like the guy who got shot will recover.  Also that he has a very clear case for damages.  He'll settle for cash and hopefully not continue to harass the people whom he robbed and intimidated.
 
2019-04-14 04:36:42 AM  
My quick question is what was a gun doing in a "Cell"? I was aware that at once your dealing w/a peep in any kinda cell ya takes your gun off and lock it up..... But I'm not a cop just a possible "Vic" if I go out and just decide "Orange" is my favorite colour and I ain't out hunting turkeys!! (read other story first)
 
2019-04-14 04:41:58 AM  
*sigh*
 
2019-04-14 04:48:40 AM  
Now, I finally feel safe.
 
2019-04-14 04:56:59 AM  
My experience with my Dallas suburb is that guns get lockered around the Sally Port. Anyone inside the jail-space is unarmed. If a cop has to reign a suspect in, they stow their peice in a gun locker.
 
2019-04-14 05:11:03 AM  

Dave and the Mission: Sounds like the guy who got shot will recover.  Also that he has a very clear case for damages.  He'll settle for cash and hopefully not continue to harass the people whom he robbed and intimidated.


He should sue the taser company as well, since this isn't the first police officer making this claim. Take their word at face value and go after the company.
 
2019-04-14 05:25:10 AM  
"I though he had a bag of drugs"

Oh, well then it's totally fine to shoot him in a holding cell, you pig piece of shiat.

Another name for the "remind people forever" list.
 
2019-04-14 05:30:42 AM  
Although there was a bit of excitement when a prisoner grabbed at a guards gun in the courthouse.

Seriously, death by cop sucks. You only increase the stress involved. You can fast your way into making them worried about you.
 
2019-04-14 05:49:16 AM  

wildcardjack: Although there was a bit of excitement when a prisoner grabbed at a guards gun in the courthouse.

Seriously, death by cop sucks. You only increase the stress involved. You can fast your way into making them worried about you.


Depends. If you make the guards life hell, they just let you dehydrate to death.
 
2019-04-14 06:01:56 AM  

Dave and the Mission: Sounds like the guy who got shot will recover.  Also that he has a very clear case for damages.  He'll settle for cash and hopefully not continue to harass the people whom he ALLEGEDLY robbed and intimidated.


FTFY; he may not have been a model citizen, but I didn't see any convictions mentioned in the article.  Maybe the local cops are corrupt, and just hung the charges on him; it's not like they've got a competent D.A. to backstop them.

From tfa:

"The statement mentions a section of the Pennsylvania Crimes Code which says a person has a defense to a criminal charge if he makes a mistake for which there is "a reasonable explanation or excuse."
The DA's statement says the officer violated a department policy by wearing the Taser on his right side, in front of his firearm, instead of on the . "non-dominant side, in what is known as a cross-draw position."
That policy violation didn't constitute a violation of law, though, the statement concludes."

The DA's statement is horseshiat, since he fails to mention what "reasonable explanation or excuse" Officer Shooty had for violating the policy.  The cop had one hand?  That's not a reasonable excuse, since they put the taser off-side to avoid exactly this kind of accident.

Cop probably didn't intend to shoot the prisoner, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't face lesser criminal charges.
 
2019-04-14 06:35:28 AM  
so is this a new Monopoly house rule? Like the money from fines collected via chance and community chest cards goes in the center of the board and the person landing on free parking gets to collect it?
 
2019-04-14 06:49:57 AM  
Will said officer/da like to play a game of russian roulette with a baretta 9mm to even the field?
 
2019-04-14 07:01:43 AM  
Looking at the still photo in the article:
the victim is in a "choke hold" by the other officer while seated, while his arms are open to his sides
How is he demonstrating "imminent threat?"
 
2019-04-14 07:17:25 AM  
cdn.cnn.comView Full Size
 
2019-04-14 07:17:50 AM  
img.fark.netView Full Size
No really this is farked up but my face can't move from this placid expression
 
2019-04-14 07:28:46 AM  

Zevon's Evil Twin: Looking at the still photo in the article:
the victim is in a "choke hold" by the other officer while seated, while his arms are open to his sides
How is he demonstrating "imminent threat?"


Hard to tell exactly what's happening from a still photo, but I agree - it doesn't look like there's any justification for using a taser at that point.

That said, even if we were to give the cop the benefit of the doubt, this is obvious and dangerous negligence.  Whether that falls on this particular cop or the department for failing to train/evaluate its employees (or both) is up for debate. Regardless, we're going to have to declare him incompetent to handle a firearm in any stressful situation (which is to say, any situation in which he'd need to reach for a taser or firearm).  He could still take reports or write parking tickets, I suppose...
 
2019-04-14 07:31:03 AM  
If you point a gun at someone with an "honest but mistaken belief" that it's empty and pull the trigger, you go to jail.

If your a psych patient, and point a gun at a cop with an "honest but mistaken belief" that it's a stick, you go to the morgue.
 
2019-04-14 07:39:49 AM  
He quietly retired? That was the plea deal. DA didn't want to deal with it.

As a couple people upstream noted, the gun (and probably the Taser) was not supposed to go past the sally port. The only legal way to take someone down in this spot is good old fashioned hand to hand combat.
 
2019-04-14 07:40:23 AM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: If you point a gun at someone with an "honest but mistaken belief" that it's empty and pull the trigger, you go to jail.

If your a psych patient, and point a gun at a cop with an "honest but mistaken belief" that it's a stick, you go to the morgue.


If you point a stick at a cop in the sincere and accurate belief that it is a stick you also have a pretty good chance of going to the morgue, psych patient or not.
 
2019-04-14 07:54:04 AM  
OK...not a snarky question:

What is the official use of a taser?  Legally, is it a less than lethal option to subdue an assailant or is it a valid means of getting compliance (similar to a pain compliance hold)?

I know that Taser ADVERTISES it as a less than lethal option but that is clearly not how it is being used.  If it is legally allowed to be a pain compliance tool, then we should either change the law or stop beotching about it and pretending it is only for less than lethal uses.
 
2019-04-14 07:56:49 AM  
'Murica.
 
2019-04-14 07:58:04 AM  
Maybe having tasers and guns have the same type of handle, then have people carrying both isn't such a hot idea.
 
2019-04-14 08:14:14 AM  
Unrelated to TFA, but New Hope, PA is a cool little town and also right across the Delaware River from Lambertville, NJ which is another cool little town.

Great place to spend a day with your SO.
 
2019-04-14 08:18:57 AM  

ChuckRoddy: Maybe having tasers and guns have the same type of handle, then have people carrying both isn't such a hot idea.


Maybe training cops that one of their Weenerss should always be to draw a weapon is a bad idea.
 
2019-04-14 08:19:40 AM  

Pernicious Q. Varmint: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: If you point a gun at someone with an "honest but mistaken belief" that it's empty and pull the trigger, you go to jail.

If your a psych patient, and point a gun at a cop with an "honest but mistaken belief" that it's a stick, you go to the morgue.

If you point a stick at a cop in the sincere and accurate belief that it is a stick you also have a pretty good chance of going to the morgue, psych patient or not.


Also fair.

Point being, this is bullshiat.
 
2019-04-14 08:35:31 AM  

PunGent: Cop probably didn't intend to shoot the prisoner, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't face lesser criminal charges.


Yeah, this may not have been intentional but it was preventable.
 
2019-04-14 08:37:36 AM  
"I feared for my life"
 
2019-04-14 08:44:06 AM  
So does the cop get fired for incompetence when he confuses a firearm for a taser or does he just go on his merry way?  If an ordinary person made an honest mistake that resulted in death or severe bodily injury, wouldn't you expect that person to get fired?
 
2019-04-14 08:49:28 AM  
It's a bit of a farking huge flaw in design and police training that a cop can confuse a taser and a firearm.
 
2019-04-14 09:01:35 AM  

Dave and the Mission: Sounds like the guy who got shot will recover.


An article I read yesterday says he is expected to have lifetime complications from his injuries. You know that people shot in the gut don't fully "recover," right?
 
2019-04-14 09:02:28 AM  

Karac: It's a bit of a farking huge flaw in design and police training that a cop can confuse a taser and a firearm.


Not likely.

I'd give it a 99.999% chance that the pig is lying and the gun was used intentionally.
 
2019-04-14 09:14:00 AM  
"......small town Pennsylvanian police officer....."

That's all the explaining I need right there.
 
2019-04-14 09:16:32 AM  
This story already confirms what's been long established.

New Hope sucks.

Pumpin' 4 the Man (Live)
Youtube hVJB39-qswM
 
2019-04-14 09:19:27 AM  

ko_kyi: So does the cop get fired for incompetence when he confuses a firearm for a taser or does he just go on his merry way?  If an ordinary person made an honest mistake that resulted in death or severe bodily injury, wouldn't you expect that person to get fired?


It's a first offense, so probably a verbal warning.
 
2019-04-14 09:19:43 AM  
I don't fell sorry for the perp, I can see it happening, and somebody's training was lacking. But really, who among us has not violated employer policy resulting in serious injury and not been excused?
 
2019-04-14 09:19:48 AM  

insain1: My quick question is what was a gun doing in a "Cell"? I was aware that at once your dealing w/a peep in any kinda cell ya takes your gun off and lock it up..... But I'm not a cop just a possible "Vic" if I go out and just decide "Orange" is my favorite colour and I ain't out hunting turkeys!! (read other story first)


That has sadly been my experience as well. The police who arrested me would lock their weapons in a locker in one room before moving me into the intake part of the facility and none of the officers inside had weapons. That being said, the vast majority of the "cops shoot someone" stories involve some sort of law breaking or struggle with the cops. I have less reason to  like to police than most here, I have been arrested on several occasions, but even I know to shut up and say "yes sir/no sir" and comply with simple orders. Probably why I can keep getting arrested without being shot. Just do what the fark you're told.
 
2019-04-14 09:27:02 AM  

insain1: I was aware that at once your dealing w/a peep in any kinda cell ya takes your gun off and lock it up


It depends on the policy and physical layout of a police department.

Most county jails that have genuine booking and holding areas are where a police officer parks their cruiser in a sally port, stows their firearms in a lockbox, and then pats the detained person down one more time before entering the booking area of the lockup.

Police departments with cells for detaining people who are being questioned or having charges worked up might not have that. My small town police department has two small cells in the back of their office and they don't have any lockboxes that I know of for storing guns. Those aren't cells like a county jail so the department might not have a formal policy on weapon storage like that. Still, I'm sure they are thoroughly patting people down before they put anyone in the cells.
 
2019-04-14 09:30:38 AM  
He had a revolver and couldn't tell the difference between that and a taser. I hope he burns.
 
2019-04-14 09:30:39 AM  

fusillade762: I'm certain the DA would extend any of us civilians the same courtesy.


Do you regularly attempt to subdue people in custody who are attempting to destroy evidence and resisting, whilst wearing both a pistol and a taser?
 
2019-04-14 09:31:43 AM  

ChuckRoddy: Maybe having tasers and guns have the same type of handle, then have people carrying both isn't such a hot idea.


DarkVader: Karac: It's a bit of a farking huge flaw in design and police training that a cop can confuse a taser and a firearm.

Not likely.

I'd give it a 99.999% chance that the pig is lying and the gun was used intentionally.


I've been thinking for a while with all of these "Oops, I thought I had my Taser" incidents that the two weapons should have different mechanisms for activation. Maybe have the Taser activated with a side button using the thumb or a trigger activated by the middle finger (where pulling with the "trigger finger" does nothing). That way if they pull a gun thinking it's the Taser but wind up shooting someone anyway, it would be fairly obvious that they knew they were using the firearm not the Taser (since a firearm wouldn't activate the same way as the Taser). It'll probably take a lot of re-training, though.
 
2019-04-14 09:32:54 AM  

Resident Muslim: Dave and the Mission: Sounds like the guy who got shot will recover.  Also that he has a very clear case for damages.  He'll settle for cash and hopefully not continue to harass the people whom he robbed and intimidated.

He should sue the taser company as well, since this isn't the first police officer making this claim. Take their word at face value and go after the company.


It's not the fault of the Tasers so much as it is the unfortunate result of pistols and tasers evolving to an almost identical feel in terms of grip design and materials.

An old 38 service revolver would have felt differently, but also would have left police outgunned when dealing with anything stronger than a BB gun.
 
2019-04-14 09:35:13 AM  

sleze: OK...not a snarky question:

What is the official use of a taser?  Legally, is it a less than lethal option to subdue an assailant or is it a valid means of getting compliance (similar to a pain compliance hold)?

I know that Taser ADVERTISES it as a less than lethal option but that is clearly not how it is being used.  If it is legally allowed to be a pain compliance tool, then we should either change the law or stop beotching about it and pretending it is only for less than lethal uses.


Tasers began being used in an effort to reduce the use of chokeholds and nightsticks.
 
2019-04-14 09:37:08 AM  

mrmopar5287: Dave and the Mission: Sounds like the guy who got shot will recover.

An article I read yesterday says he is expected to have lifetime complications from his injuries. You know that people shot in the gut don't fully "recover," right?


Hopefully that makes it harder for him to engage in victim retaliation and intimidation.
 
2019-04-14 09:39:05 AM  
This is another variation of the "It's coming right for us!" defense. Only in this case, you intentionally shoot someone with a gun then say "I thought it was my taser. My bad." and suffer no penalties for attempted murder.

Watch for this to happen more often. Cops "accidentally" grabbing their gun instead of their taser.
 
2019-04-14 09:40:40 AM  

gar1013: Tasers began being used in an effort to reduce the use of chokeholds and nightsticks.


Also to reduce physical altercations, period. One of the largest number of injury claims to police officers is back injuries because that often comes with the job of physically subduing quarrelsome people. When you bring in the taser it's a quick zap for compliance and it's nice to have about 90% fewer officers who are on medical leave to recover from strained back muscles.
 
2019-04-14 09:45:00 AM  

Zevon's Evil Twin: Looking at the still photo in the article:
the victim is in a "choke hold" by the other officer while seated, while his arms are open to his sides
How is he demonstrating "imminent threat?"


I saw the video. Dude was fighting the cops and he appeared to be doing better than fair against the officers in the cel.

It was a pretty serious situation, but that doesn't make what happened "OK" by any stretch.
 
2019-04-14 09:48:09 AM  

gar1013: Resident Muslim: Dave and the Mission: Sounds like the guy who got shot will recover.  Also that he has a very clear case for damages.  He'll settle for cash and hopefully not continue to harass the people whom he robbed and intimidated.

He should sue the taser company as well, since this isn't the first police officer making this claim. Take their word at face value and go after the company.

It's not the fault of the Tasers so much as it is the unfortunate result of pistols and tasers evolving to an almost identical feel in terms of grip design and materials.

An old 38 service revolver would have felt differently, but also would have left police outgunned when dealing with anything stronger than a BB gun.


So it's not the fault of tasers, except that they designed their non-lethal product to have the identical feel, grip design, and materials as lethal weapons.
 
2019-04-14 09:48:25 AM  
Maybe the cop just needs some remedial training.
It's important to not be a dumbass with firearms.
Full Metal Jacket (1987) - "What side was that Private Pyle!?"
Youtube Em4-DyiAB2A
 
2019-04-14 09:52:04 AM  

NutWrench: Maybe the cop just needs some remedial training.
It's important to not be a dumbass with firearms.
[YouTube video: Full Metal Jacket (1987) - "What side was that Private Pyle!?"]


Not likely gonna happen......he retired.. No can read the full article hun?
 
Displayed 50 of 118 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking





On Twitter




In Other Media
Top Commented
Javascript is required to view headlines in widget.
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report