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(Some Guy)   You might be a communist if...you think working folks should have a roof over their head? Subby's avoided living in a tent in the woods by *this much* recently and is wondering how the Fark community feels about rent control & other landlord regs   (kctenants.org) divider line
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2019-04-13 11:22:01 PM  
Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.
 
2019-04-13 11:26:36 PM  

Thundrull: Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.


It's working as designed, you just got lucky enough to slip through.
 
2019-04-13 11:44:33 PM  
There were (way too) many times I was *this* close to being homeless. Thankfully, I am where I am now.

Lots of things need to change. Big time. This is just one of the myriad of things needing change.

I hope this is just the beginning of an unbelievably long string of things to go right in your life.

May the wind always be at your back.
 
2019-04-14 12:06:12 AM  

ltnor:
It's working as designed, you just got lucky enough to slip through.

Actually, I survived long enough to overcome the system before it killed me. That's what it's designed to do. Don't think otherwise.

Kellner21: There were (way too) many times I was *this* close to being homeless. Thankfully, I am where I am now.

Lots of things need to change. Big time. This is just one of the myriad of things needing change.

I hope this is just the beginning of an unbelievably long string of things to go right in your life.

May the wind always be at your back.


Thank you! I'm gonna do a little dance and ask the Great Spirit to bestow the same blessing on you. Accompanied by some fine music:

Cusco - APURIMAC lll (FULL ALBUM)
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2019-04-14 12:23:24 AM  
Human beings are entitled to food, water, clothing, shelter, and medical care. Period. Them's the basics. And when people don't get them, they get all torchy and pitchforky and deservedly so. I think this current crop of Robber Barons need some highly polished guillotines in their sight-line.
 
2019-04-14 12:40:21 AM  

silvervial: Human beings are entitled to food, water, clothing, shelter, and medical care. Period. Them's the basics. And when people don't get them, they get all torchy and pitchforky and deservedly so. I think this current crop of Robber Barons need some highly polished guillotines in their sight-line.


And incursion of brown people. Don't forget about incursions of brown people.

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2019-04-14 04:43:39 AM  
Once upon a time, societies arranged their taxes so that they mostly fell on people who were "rent seeking" (or just making more money off of assets they already owned) and tried to tax income based on an individual's own labor as little as possible.

The more the landlords squeezed the general population, the higher the tax burden fell upon them. Especially when they owned more and more rental property.

In America, we have reversed this and shifted as much of the tax burden over to payroll taxes paid by the working class as possible.

We had a huge round of temporary inheritance and capital gains tax cuts under Bush (which were made permanent in turn under Obama) and now another round of huge corporate tax cuts under Trump.

I don't think we will reverse this second Gilded Age without kicking the Republicans and their "centrist" allies in the Democratic party to the curb.
 
2019-04-14 05:40:28 AM  

Thundrull: Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.


Wow are we twins? Same exact situation. It's not doing anyone any good to have us poor getting kicked to the curb so property owners and their minions ( managers etc ) can do whatever they plan to do. I've had to hole up with my parents, me being the youngest at 53, when the apartment building we rented separate apartments in got sold and Upscaled *harumph*. Sucks because the property owners can -- we're getting so many fleeing higher priced cities they're willing to pay a few bucks less ( which to us is hundreds and hundreds more ). No one wants to build for us Poors -- what with the poverty. We must be bad people! Same here bud, can relate.

/ Nope we can't get into elderly/assisted/anything, nope we can't move away, we're stuck and this is it.
// I was hoping for a longshot at a trailer park as we don't have tornadoes but nope!
 
2019-04-14 05:45:22 AM  
Seriously this crap ticks me off. The place I was renting in 2016 for $625/mo is now charging $1150/mo. Fuuuuuuuuuu .....

/ At least they got a fancy sign and a new name!
 
2019-04-14 06:23:55 AM  

Thundrull: Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.


Glad you wound up not-homeless.

Long-term, we're seeing a LOT of softness in the high-end residential market...but morons are still building high-end condos, propped up by erosion of the (very minimal) lending standards put in after the '08 crash.

When enough of them don't sell, the current bubble will pop, just like last time, and prices will eventually fall across the board.  Plus, not all the contractors will go out of business, and hopefully more low-end/high volume construction will easy prices at the entry level of the market...which will in turn help low-income renters, regardless of local rent control.

I view rent control like affirmative action: a little goes a long way, and it needs a sundown clause.
Teachers, police, fire, and sewer workers can't afford to live in your city?  (looking at you, San Fran)  Ya need some rent control, and it needs to be tied to income AND assets, or you get wealthy tenants squatting in the rent-controlled properties. (looking at you, NYC)
 
2019-04-14 07:18:06 AM  

Thundrull: Subby here


I mean, to be fair, that site does have a very communisty vibe to it in both look and verbiage.
 
2019-04-14 07:23:10 AM  
Also, if you were looking for a real answer, possibly in audio form: http://freakonomics.com/podcast​/rent-c​ontrol/

TL;DR:  Rent control would only help you if you were already renting.  It makes things worse for those who are trying to find a place.  It also prevents new supply from being created.
 
2019-04-14 08:08:35 AM  
learn to code
 
2019-04-14 08:29:16 AM  
Has the cost of building housing gone up as much as the price of the home? If not, building affordable housing is perfectly reasonable.
 
2019-04-14 08:52:40 AM  

Chabash: Has the cost of building housing gone up as much as the price of the home? If not, building affordable housing is perfectly reasonable.


Depending on where you are, land can be the biggest part of the cost of a house, which in turn makes it so building a small house makes no financial sense.
 
2019-04-14 09:04:40 AM  
Around here, trying to get permission to build anything other than high end, luxury accommodations is a huge waste of time.  The zoning boards know that anything below the high water mark will not bring in the tax revenues that are needed to build and sustain the luxury office buildings the entire county simply must have and refurbish after every election.

Between that and the actual regulations to make certain that a building is safely constructed, yeah it's real hard to find affordable housing that isn't a firetrap, with lead paint and plumbing, and rotten wallboard from China.  The other concern is evictions.  All it takes is one or two assholes as tenants, and landlords start looking at ways to not rent to riffraff.  Iron clad rental contracts that favor owners, large non-refundable security deposits, and high rents translate into owners not having to deal with as many people that have questionable stuff in their history.

I work with a group that has tried to be a source for rapid rehousing, as well as settling refugees and immigrants.  If we dedicate at least one staffer to a case, and have some serious conversations before hand, we have a measure of success.  But whenever we slack off even for a moment, we end up having to formally evict someone, and spend thousands in repairs.
 
2019-04-14 09:10:21 AM  
Everybody should have some basic form of guaranteed housing, food, water, clothes, minimum health care, education, transportation and communication....
...But not necessarily WHERE one wants it.
 
2019-04-14 09:10:45 AM  
forgot...education
 
2019-04-14 09:11:13 AM  

mr lawson: forgot...education


need more coffee...lol
 
2019-04-14 09:53:58 AM  

CrazyCurt: Thundrull: Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.

Wow are we twins? Same exact situation. It's not doing anyone any good to have us poor getting kicked to the curb so property owners and their minions ( managers etc ) can do whatever they plan to do. I've had to hole up with my parents, me being the youngest at 53, when the apartment building we rented separate apartments in got sold and Upscaled *harumph*. Sucks because the property owners can -- we're getting so many fleeing higher priced cities they're willing to pay a few bucks less ( which to us is hundreds and hundreds more ). No one wants to build for us Poors -- what with the poverty. We must be bad people! Same here bud, can relate.

/ Nope we can't get into elderly/assisted/anything, nope we can't move away, we're stuck and this is it.
// I was hoping for a longshot at a trailer park as we don't have tornadoes but nope!


I caught a lot of crap from folks for moving into an RV. My lot rent is less than half the cost of an apartment and I can have my dog without penalty. There is a pool, hot tub, playground, etc. Beauty is that I do not have to maintain any of it :)  I have some savings while the same folks that dissed me over living in an RV are broke and have high debt.  People who make bad life choices are tossed out of here pretty quickly as the mgmt is not going to put up with BS.  Problematic is that RV parks have taken the stance that if your unit is over 10 years old, you can't rent a lot in their park. RV's are not inexpensive. I am fortunate that my unit was grandfathered in - I bought it sitting on the lot. I put a lot of sweat equity into it, cleaned it up so its not an eyesore. It runs down the road just fine so if the weather gets ugly, I'm out...
/the gov does not give one fark if your homeless. If they did, we would not have homeless people. Rinse and repeat for lacking healthcare, decent wages, an education system that was not also farkled. Most people want/need a hand up - not a hand out.
//vote accordingly
 
2019-04-14 12:30:55 PM  

cherryl taggart: Around here, trying to get permission to build anything other than high end, luxury accommodations is a huge waste of time.


That's what zoning boards are designed to do. And they are supported by voters who already own homes and don't want their property values to go down. It's institutionalized NIMBY. If you want to fix it you need federal regulations to force affordable housing into every town and city and good luck getting them.
 
2019-04-14 01:28:54 PM  
I live in my Subaru camper, thank you very much. It's always an interesting sociological experience.

Not difficult at all, if you live in a town big enough to not notice your vehicle loitering around, but small enough that you don't lose your identity completely. And I am not the only one doing this around here. It is the result of that charming consumania that we do so well. As well as overrunning the national park here like farking ants, and with about as much sense. But they have the money, and they want services and they want warm bodies to give them things and be farking quick about it, too. They paid good money for that!

It's a disgusting scenario that we'd reject with both hands, if you all had any goddamned sense of your own. But I guess that isn't necessary if you have money. Just buy another diversion, and try to forget real life, because that shiat is not looking good. Good thing it's not your fault.

This goes on all over the country on one scale or another--actual working people being priced out of the places they grew up in, for the benefit of some rich Consumer who needs another vacation home or a place to Getaway.
(After everyone gets away enough, I guess, and we're all in the same place, we'll have another consumer trend of "Going Home Again", when everyone will denounce all that crass materialism, and line up at Home Depot to buy more things to make their home better. And more valuable, of course. Otherwise, why do it?)

The only drivers of this are advertising, and YOU. Mostly you.
Now I post pictures. So many pictures and quotes and cartoons, all of them proving my point. But fark it, you all aren't worth it. You probably need to go buy something to improve your image about now, anyway. I just insulted your entire reason for living.

/I do have a real house somewhere.
 
2019-04-14 02:54:27 PM  

silvervial: Human beings are entitled to food, water, clothing, shelter, and medical care. Period. Them's the basics. And when people don't get them, they get all torchy and pitchforky and deservedly so. I think this current crop of Robber Barons need some highly polished guillotines in their sight-line.


Have pitchforks will travel.
 
2019-04-14 02:59:20 PM  

BullBearMS: In America, we have reversed this and shifted as much of the tax burden over to payroll taxes paid by the working class as possible.

We had a huge round of temporary inheritance and capital gains tax cuts under Bush (which were made permanent in turn under Obama) and now another round of huge corporate tax cuts under Trump.

I don't think we will reverse this second Gilded Age witho


Have boot willing to help kick them to the curb.
 
2019-04-14 03:22:34 PM  

cryinoutloud: I live in my Subaru camper, thank you very much. It's always an interesting sociological experience.

Not difficult at all, if you live in a town big enough to not notice your vehicle loitering around, but small enough that you don't lose your identity completely. And I am not the only one doing this around here. It is the result of that charming consumania that we do so well. As well as overrunning the national park here like farking ants, and with about as much sense. But they have the money, and they want services and they want warm bodies to give them things and be farking quick about it, too. They paid good money for that!

It's a disgusting scenario that we'd reject with both hands, if you all had any goddamned sense of your own. But I guess that isn't necessary if you have money. Just buy another diversion, and try to forget real life, because that shiat is not looking good. Good thing it's not your fault.

This goes on all over the country on one scale or another--actual working people being priced out of the places they grew up in, for the benefit of some rich Consumer who needs another vacation home or a place to Getaway.
(After everyone gets away enough, I guess, and we're all in the same place, we'll have another consumer trend of "Going Home Again", when everyone will denounce all that crass materialism, and line up at Home Depot to buy more things to make their home better. And more valuable, of course. Otherwise, why do it?)

The only drivers of this are advertising, and YOU. Mostly you.
Now I post pictures. So many pictures and quotes and cartoons, all of them proving my point. But fark it, you all aren't worth it. You probably need to go buy something to improve your image about now, anyway. I just insulted your entire reason for living.

/I do have a real house somewhere.


Hey COL,
In blaming the general "YOU", I hope you aren't pushing away people in real life.

I've always enjoyed your posts. I've read some of the challenges that life has thrown at you (challenges is putting it mildly), and to read that shows even more.
:(
I have also seen your usually thoughtful posts almost reach vitriol levels.

I'm just a name in these pages. I can turn away and read another post. I just hope the people that DO care about you in real life are not turned away.

That I feel you are a genuinely nice and thoughtful person is why I'm typing this. If this was just another troll thoughtless person here I wouldn't be saying this.

/hope things pick up so much your head spins
 
2019-04-14 03:43:40 PM  

CrazyCurt: Wow are we twins? Same exact situation. It's not doing anyone any good to have us poor getting kicked to the curb so property owners and their minions ( managers etc ) can do whatever they plan to do. I've had to hole up with my parents, me being the youngest at 53, when the apartment building we rented separate apartments in got sold and Upscaled *harumph*. Sucks because the property owners can -- we're getting so many fleeing higher priced cities they're willing to pay a few bucks less ( which to us is hundreds and hundreds more ). No one wants to build for us Poors -- what with the poverty. We must be bad people! Same here bud, can relate.

/ Nope we can't get into elderly/assisted/anything, nope we can't move away, we're stuck and this is it.
// I was hoping for a longshot at a trailer park as we don't have tornadoes but nope!


Thanks bud, good to know you're here. And yea, we do have much in common. I had a great 1 bedroom apartment I lived in for 10 years at $300 dollars a month. The landlord raised my rent only once in that time and even then it was only by $35. The homeowners around that building called him a slumlord and were always 311 reporting him for zoning violations - stupid shiat like chipping paint or a rotted fascia board. But being a home improvement guy I worked with him and fixed stuff as long as he paid for the materials. We had a great relationship. But I always pay rent and utilities on time every month without fail...no excuses. And even if I don't have food money.

Same situation as you, he sold the building when he retired and his youngest kid graduated from college. The guy rented a U-haul truck and helped me move to a new place. And when that proved too expensive for me he did it again, and again six months later. He finally helped me get hooked it with this current property management/faith based group he happened to hear about. So I am set here until I farking die.

Also like you I have lived in the ghettos with drive by shootings and domestic violence shiat going on daily. It took me a few years to fully adjust to this...being the only white boy, lol. But the funny thing is black folks treat me way better than the f*cking rich, white suburbanites I used to live and work amongst.

So the link I submitted this with goes to a group that canvassed me the other day. They are the same people who helped push through the $15/hour minimum wage legislation in our state last November. I'm not even sure what they want to do. So far they've only held a couple events on the steps of City Hall. They need to be in front of the court house where all the goddamn evictions happen, or in front of the State House where the racketeering landlord laws get passed. I don't know if I want to get involved. I'm on disability for PTSD and I don't need anyone helping me stoke outrage, if you know what I mean.

Anyhow, I got you farkied as a brother. Nice to meet you!
 
2019-04-14 03:53:36 PM  

Thundrull: Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.


Hey Subs,
Glad you have a roof over your head.
I was going to write about opinion drivers and markets, but you asked how we felt about this, so here goes:
-government should give incentives to building "starter homes" or even "starter apartments" that have decent facilities; playgrounds, kindergartens, etc, and most importantly public transport. These are to get people on their feet and start saving money. In non-industrialized countries:locales this used to be the family household with the added bonus that family acts as babysitters as well.
-rent control is good as long as a) it matches the initial building cost/payback period of investment b) it matches inflation, ie the property owner is making at least the same even though salaries of supers or material or maintenance. Landlord should also have the option to match market rate when tenants leave on their own free will
-when the cost of land becomes the expensive factor, construction should go upwards. What this means is that as the downtown starts encroaching on suburbia, the owners of said houses should be encouraged, by financial sense and drive for profit to turn houses into buildings. Government should also support this by ensuring any buildings over a certain height to be guaranteed good public transport within a certain radius.
-some sort of singles' housing units specifically designed for roommates and governed that way should be set up.

This is what comes to mind now.
I hope the thread didn't close while I was typing all of that.
:D
 
2019-04-14 03:56:42 PM  

cryinoutloud: I live in my Subaru camper, thank you very much. It's always an interesting sociological experience.


That's sort of my fantasy - living off the grid. Not that I'm on the lam or anything. I just like the idea of being able to move my living quarters if and whenever the need arises. I follow this guy on youtube called Nomadic Fanatic. He's making good money with his videos and merching and a lot of people don't like him for that. But he does have a lot of good info for those of us who have no idea what it's like to live full time out of an RV.
 
2019-04-14 03:58:59 PM  

Resident Muslim: Thundrull: Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.

Hey Subs,
Glad you have a roof over your head.
I was going to write about opinion drivers and markets, but you asked how we felt about this, so here goes:
-government should give incentives to building "starter homes" or even "starter apartments" that have decent facilities; playgrounds, kindergartens, etc, and most importantly public transport. These are to get people on their feet and start saving money. In non-industrialized countries:locales this used to be the family household with the added bonus that family acts as babysitters as well.
-rent control is good as long as a) it matches the initial building cost/payback period of investment b) it matches inflation, ie the property owner is making at least the same even though salaries of supers or material or maintenance. Landlord should also have the option to match market rate when tenants leave on their own free will
-when the cost of land becomes the expensive factor, construction should go upwards. What this means is that as the downtown starts encroaching on suburbia, the owners of said houses should be encouraged, by financial sense and drive for profit to turn houses into buildings. Government should also support this by ensuring any buildings over a certain height to be guaranteed good public transport within a certain radius.
-some sort of singles' housing units specifically designed for roommates and governed that way should be set up.

This is what comes to mind now.
I hope the thread didn't close while I was typing all of that.
:D


Oh, and of course, building interest in folks to the entities same as the one that helped you out (faith-based or not).
 
2019-04-14 04:25:31 PM  

Resident Muslim: Thundrull: Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.

Hey Subs,
Glad you have a roof over your head.
I was going to write about opinion drivers and markets, but you asked how we felt about this, so here goes:
-government should give incentives to building "starter homes" or even "starter apartments" that have decent facilities; playgrounds, kindergartens, etc, and most importantly public transport. These are to get people on their feet and start saving money. In non-industrialized countries:locales this used to be the family household with the added bonus that family acts as babysitters as well.
-rent control is good as long as a) it matches the initial building cost/payback period of investment b) it matches inflation, ie the property owner is making at least the same even though salaries of supers or material or maintenance. Landlord should also have the option to match market rate when tenants leave on their own free will
-when the cost of land becomes the expensive factor, construction should go upwards. What this means is that as the downtown starts encroaching on suburbia, the owners of said houses should be encouraged, by financial sense and drive for profit to turn houses into buildings. Government should also support this by ensuring any buildings over a certain height to be guaranteed good public transport within a certain radius.
-some sort of s ...


LOL, I think the thread has another 12 hours before closing. But don't quote me on that.

Thank you for the input. I don't have any answers myself. All I know is the rent is too goddamn high and the sidewalks are crowded with people sleeping in tents, some with young children. The same people who claim raising the minimum wage is unsustainable are the same ones who say the homeless choose to live that way.

Their side is finally coming along to addressing income inequality after lying about it for so many decades. My sense is that things will get a lot worse before it gets better.
 
2019-04-14 04:38:21 PM  

PunGent: Thundrull: Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.

Glad you wound up not-homeless.

Long-term, we're seeing a LOT of softness in the high-end residential market...but morons are still building high-end condos, propped up by erosion of the (very minimal) lending standards put in after the '08 crash.

When enough of them don't sell, the current bubble will pop, just like last time, and prices will eventually fall across the board.  Plus, not all the contractors will go out of business, and hopefully more low-end/high volume construction will easy prices at the entry level of the market...which will in turn help low-income renters, regardless of local rent control.

I view rent control like affirmative action: a little goes a long way, and it needs a sundown clause.
Teachers, police, fire, and sewer workers can't afford to live in your city?  (looking at you, San Fran)  Ya need some rent control, and it needs to be tied to income AND assets, or you get wealthy tenants squatting in the rent-controlled properties. (looking at you, NYC)


Rent control is the extreme, not the standard. In many jurisdictions there are no tenant protections at all. The landlord can just barge in with his goons and throw your ass to the curb. Or worse, he can just call the police department and have them do it.

I have worked in the property management business and have seen this happen dozens of times. No due process. The shiatbag can take your rent and kick you out if you piss him off. This is the reality in most of America. California and New York are the exceptions, not the rule.
 
2019-04-14 04:38:52 PM  

Thundrull: Resident Muslim: Thundrull: Subby here, and I'm not being snarky asking this question. I have the pictures of all the camping equipment and sites I staked out in the woods in the event nobody would rent to me. I'm not even a farking sex offender or even minor criminal, I'm just farking poor, low income with no credit.

I just happened to get lucky that a non-profit, faith-based property management company picked me up and cut me a deal while awaiting a federal subsidy. I still have to pay 80% of my Social Security income for rent and utilities but at least I'm not sleeping in front of your house.

I just wonder what the fark people think is going on and how this is supposed to work.

Hey Subs,
Glad you have a roof over your head.
I was going to write about opinion drivers and markets, but you asked how we felt about this, so here goes:
-government should give incentives to building "starter homes" or even "starter apartments" that have decent facilities; playgrounds, kindergartens, etc, and most importantly public transport. These are to get people on their feet and start saving money. In non-industrialized countries:locales this used to be the family household with the added bonus that family acts as babysitters as well.
-rent control is good as long as a) it matches the initial building cost/payback period of investment b) it matches inflation, ie the property owner is making at least the same even though salaries of supers or material or maintenance. Landlord should also have the option to match market rate when tenants leave on their own free will
-when the cost of land becomes the expensive factor, construction should go upwards. What this means is that as the downtown starts encroaching on suburbia, the owners of said houses should be encouraged, by financial sense and drive for profit to turn houses into buildings. Government should also support this by ensuring any buildings over a certain height to be guaranteed good public transport within a certain radius.
-some sort of s ...

LOL, I think the thread has another 12 hours before closing. But don't quote me on that.

Thank you for the input. I don't have any answers myself. All I know is the rent is too goddamn high and the sidewalks are crowded with people sleeping in tents, some with young children. The same people who claim raising the minimum wage is unsustainable are the same ones who say the homeless choose to live that way.

Their side is finally coming along to addressing income inequality after lying about it for so many decades. My sense is that things will get a lot worse before it gets better.


For the homeless with kids, that made me think we need more communes.
Apparently the conspiracy theory is that the government frowns on such set ups because it doesn't make them money. (Not their corporate overlords). So they'll always find a reason to break up said communes.

/that or that the ones we had were all set up by child-molesting cultists
 
2019-04-14 05:38:31 PM  

Thundrull: cryinoutloud: I live in my Subaru camper, thank you very much. It's always an interesting sociological experience.

That's sort of my fantasy - living off the grid. Not that I'm on the lam or anything. I just like the idea of being able to move my living quarters if and whenever the need arises. I follow this guy on youtube called Nomadic Fanatic. He's making good money with his videos and merching and a lot of people don't like him for that. But he does have a lot of good info for those of us who have no idea what it's like to live full time out of an RV.


I'm seriously considering that for my retirement.  By some cheap unimproved land and set up a big camper, one that will never move.

I'm keeping my record, dvd, and cd collections as I doubt there will ever be high speed internet outside of the bigger cities.
 
2019-04-14 09:07:50 PM  
I have lived in the same neighborhood since the mid 80's, but the people who run the city thought it was a good idea to grant permits to people who have put up large 'condo' type housing that includes what the builders consider 'affordable' housing. One example is just down the road from me, the least expensive unit is a 'studio' for $1,500.00 (550 sf) - $2,400.00 (572 sf) a month. Some of the others are even more. I presently pay $800.00 for my place (small 1 bd), the landlord wanted to raise the rent last January to $900.00, I told him I couldn't afford it, I can barely afford to pay $800.00. Like subby, that is almost 80% of what I get from SS. I still have to pay for utilities, etc. from the rest. My landlord said that others were charging more, "I told him just because you can, doesn't mean you should". The city has recently passed some new landlord - tenant laws. Which are a step in the right direction but still not enough. I shouldn't have to leave the neighborhood I've lived in for over 30 years & move to a crappy part of town because landlords/builders are a bunch of greedy bastards.
 
2019-04-14 09:55:09 PM  

HempHead: I'm keeping my record, dvd, and cd collections as I doubt there will ever be high speed internet outside of the bigger cities.


Not a bad idea to keep your collections but I'm far enough out that cell reception ranges between slim and none and the cable company offers 150 mb and the phone company offers DSL with 80 mb now. This is small town New Hampshire. Vermont has a co-op called EC Fiber bringing fiber to some small towns.
 
2019-04-14 10:41:39 PM  

BMFPitt: Also, if you were looking for a real answer, possibly in audio form: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/​rent-control/

TL;DR:  Rent control would only help you if you were already renting.  It makes things worse for those who are trying to find a place.  It also prevents new supply from being created.


Yep...it's like a lot of complex things.  Lots of ways to do it wrong, only a few ways to do it right.
 
2019-04-14 10:48:58 PM  

Thundrull: Rent control is the extreme, not the standard.


Yep.  Didn't mean to imply it wasn't.

The little there is gets called "communism" by wingnut morons, so...I wouldn't hold my breath hoping for more of it.

Best to re-brand it...call it "bank competitive re-financing" or something...the R-ubes apparently have no trouble throwing tax dollars at banks, no matter how badly they're run.
 
2019-04-14 10:51:01 PM  

Thundrull: My sense is that things will get a lot worse before it gets better.


Ah, you're an optimist...you think things will get better :)

/hope you're right
//really hope the GOP doesn't succeed in completely flushing us down the crapper for another 30 years, that's about what I've got left.
 
2019-04-15 11:48:56 AM  

Kellner21: There were (way too) many times I was *this* close to being homeless. Thankfully, I am where I am now.

Lots of things need to change. Big time. This is just one of the myriad of things needing change.

I hope this is just the beginning of an unbelievably long string of things to go right in your life.

May the wind always be at your back.


That's a really nice thing to say. You are now favorited.

It truly is terrifying to think about, getting too sick to work and a partner tiring of me and kicking me out like an ageing incontinent dog.
 
2019-04-15 05:24:19 PM  

HempHead: Thundrull: cryinoutloud: I live in my Subaru camper, thank you very much. It's always an interesting sociological experience.

That's sort of my fantasy - living off the grid. Not that I'm on the lam or anything. I just like the idea of being able to move my living quarters if and whenever the need arises. I follow this guy on youtube called Nomadic Fanatic. He's making good money with his videos and merching and a lot of people don't like him for that. But he does have a lot of good info for those of us who have no idea what it's like to live full time out of an RV.

I'm seriously considering that for my retirement.  By some cheap unimproved land and set up a big camper, one that will never move.

I'm keeping my record, dvd, and cd collections as I doubt there will ever be high speed internet outside of the bigger cities.


If you're really, really out in the boonies and can't get a wifi signal, satellite internet for $25 a month is an option.
 
2019-04-15 05:37:32 PM  

Thundrull: HempHead: Thundrull: cryinoutloud: I live in my Subaru camper, thank you very much. It's always an interesting sociological experience.

That's sort of my fantasy - living off the grid. Not that I'm on the lam or anything. I just like the idea of being able to move my living quarters if and whenever the need arises. I follow this guy on youtube called Nomadic Fanatic. He's making good money with his videos and merching and a lot of people don't like him for that. But he does have a lot of good info for those of us who have no idea what it's like to live full time out of an RV.

I'm seriously considering that for my retirement.  By some cheap unimproved land and set up a big camper, one that will never move.

I'm keeping my record, dvd, and cd collections as I doubt there will ever be high speed internet outside of the bigger cities.

If you're really, really out in the boonies and can't get a wifi signal, satellite internet for $25 a month is an option.


Do you still need a phone for satellite internet to work?
 
2019-04-15 05:57:40 PM  
Nah, you need a little receiver, which may be a small satellite dish or just an antenna. But if you can get a phone signal the cost is about the same to tether your phone to PC. I had to do that for the last six months. It's expensive to get both phone and internet through a phone.
 
2019-04-15 06:21:34 PM  

HempHead: Thundrull: HempHead: Thundrull: cryinoutloud: I live in my Subaru camper, thank you very much. It's always an interesting sociological experience.

That's sort of my fantasy - living off the grid. Not that I'm on the lam or anything. I just like the idea of being able to move my living quarters if and whenever the need arises. I follow this guy on youtube called Nomadic Fanatic. He's making good money with his videos and merching and a lot of people don't like him for that. But he does have a lot of good info for those of us who have no idea what it's like to live full time out of an RV.

I'm seriously considering that for my retirement.  By some cheap unimproved land and set up a big camper, one that will never move.

I'm keeping my record, dvd, and cd collections as I doubt there will ever be high speed internet outside of the bigger cities.

If you're really, really out in the boonies and can't get a wifi signal, satellite internet for $25 a month is an option.

Do you still need a phone for satellite internet to work?


HempHead: Thundrull: HempHead: Thundrull: cryinoutloud: I live in my Subaru camper, thank you very much. It's always an interesting sociological experience.

That's sort of my fantasy - living off the grid. Not that I'm on the lam or anything. I just like the idea of being able to move my living quarters if and whenever the need arises. I follow this guy on youtube called Nomadic Fanatic. He's making good money with his videos and merching and a lot of people don't like him for that. But he does have a lot of good info for those of us who have no idea what it's like to live full time out of an RV.

I'm seriously considering that for my retirement.  By some cheap unimproved land and set up a big camper, one that will never move.

I'm keeping my record, dvd, and cd collections as I doubt there will ever be high speed internet outside of the bigger cities.

If you're really, really out in the boonies and can't get a wifi signal, satellite internet for $25 a month is an option.

Do you still need a phone for satellite internet to work?


Wait, let me try that again. You canuse your phone for internet connection to a PC if you can tether it via a USB or bluetooth connection. But that is a little expensive in terms of broadband usage and is capped after about 10 GB of data for most carriers.

If you're really, really out in the boonies and can't get a cell phone signal, you can get either HughesNet or ViaSat satellite internet. Download speeds are about 25 MB down and 2 MB up. The price is very close wired internet through Time Warner or Comcast.

But you will need a receiver dish like DishTV:

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I have no idea what it costs, but I suspect it is much like DirectTV or a subsidized phone. You sign up for a one or two year contract, perhaps put down a small deposit and they supply the equipment. You just pay the monthly bill to maintain the service.

Hope this helps you.
 
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