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(Seattle Times)   Southwest pilots start to think that relying on an aircraft manufacturer that builds in a crash feature might not be a great idea   (seattletimes.com) divider line
    More: Awkward, Southwest Airlines, leadership of the Southwest Airlines pilots union, Airline, Boeing's business, Federal Aviation Administration, three-hour meeting, pilot union, MAX crashes  
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2019-04-13 06:54:44 PM  
FTA:

The process of FAA delegating oversight to Boeing "may be too ingrained to reverse and further complicated because of the FAA's budget and lack of available and qualified personnel," Weaks wrote.

Too soon for thoughts and prayers?  Will it take planes crashing here for them to see what a terrible idea this is?  "We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong."  You think a for profit business is going to do the right thing if it involves cutting into their profit margin?
 
2019-04-13 07:08:05 PM  

dkulprit: FTA:

The process of FAA delegating oversight to Boeing "may be too ingrained to reverse and further complicated because of the FAA's budget and lack of available and qualified personnel," Weaks wrote.

Too soon for thoughts and prayers?  Will it take planes crashing here for them to see what a terrible idea this is?  "We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong."  You think a for profit business is going to do the right thing if it involves cutting into their profit margin?


Everyone knows it's too soon to talk about plane control.
 
2019-04-13 07:12:53 PM  

themindiswatching: dkulprit: FTA:

The process of FAA delegating oversight to Boeing "may be too ingrained to reverse and further complicated because of the FAA's budget and lack of available and qualified personnel," Weaks wrote.

Too soon for thoughts and prayers?  Will it take planes crashing here for them to see what a terrible idea this is?  "We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong."  You think a for profit business is going to do the right thing if it involves cutting into their profit margin?

Everyone knows it's too soon to talk about plane control.


And controlling planes
 
2019-04-13 07:14:04 PM  
I am 100% pro-Airbus
 
2019-04-13 07:37:19 PM  
They wanted the paycheck... seems a little late to start complaining.
 
2019-04-13 09:14:33 PM  
You think that writing avionics software is demanding. Try writing software for the Space Shuttle. From way back in 1996...

They Write The Right Stuff

Wait until the autonomous vehicle crowd starts hiring techbros and app developers to write safe and reliable hard real-time control software for something like a self-driving 18-wheel truck.  It won't be pretty.
 
2019-04-13 09:15:35 PM  

iToad: You think that writing avionics software is demanding. Try writing software for the Space Shuttle. From way back in 1996...

They Write The Right Stuff

Wait until the autonomous vehicle crowd starts hiring techbros and app developers to write safe and reliable hard real-time control software for something like a self-driving 18-wheel truck.  It won't be pretty.


Yeah but that's a completely different kind of flying, altogether.
 
2019-04-13 09:23:35 PM  

iToad: You think that writing avionics software is demanding. Try writing software for the Space Shuttle. From way back in 1996...

They Write The Right Stuff

Wait until the autonomous vehicle crowd starts hiring techbros and app developers to write safe and reliable hard real-time control software for something like a self-driving 18-wheel truck.  It won't be pretty.


That's already happening right now.
 
2019-04-13 09:30:44 PM  

iToad: You think that writing avionics software is demanding. Try writing software for the Space Shuttle. From way back in 1996...

They Write The Right Stuff

Wait until the autonomous vehicle crowd starts hiring techbros and app developers to write safe and reliable hard real-time control software for something like a self-driving 18-wheel truck.  It won't be pretty.


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2019-04-13 09:56:10 PM  
Their fundamental structure is that any flight crew can fly any equipment. Having to entirely rebuild their scheduling system to arrange their pilots by aircraft type would likely sink them
 
2019-04-13 10:05:41 PM  

cman: I am 100% pro-Airbus


I am 98% pro-Airbus.

/yoke those controls together please
 
2019-04-13 10:25:57 PM  
Southwest might do well to consider Airbus A220 models (Bombardier CSeries). Boeing has abandoned the 100-150 seat market.
 
2019-04-13 10:56:50 PM  
There's always Embraer. If or when the partnership is finalized, Boeing won't be involved in its management.
 
2019-04-14 12:06:18 AM  

Schlubbe: Their fundamental structure is that any flight crew can fly any equipment. Having to entirely rebuild their scheduling system to arrange their pilots by aircraft type would likely sink them


Seeing as how most of their fleet is 737-200,-700,and -800 planes, that's an understandable way to go.  It keeps things simple.
 
2019-04-14 12:38:23 AM  

Bslim: iToad: You think that writing avionics software is demanding. Try writing software for the Space Shuttle. From way back in 1996...

They Write The Right Stuff

Wait until the autonomous vehicle crowd starts hiring techbros and app developers to write safe and reliable hard real-time control software for something like a self-driving 18-wheel truck.  It won't be pretty.

Yeah but that's a completely different kind of flying, altogether.


That's a completely different kind of flying.
 
2019-04-14 01:56:20 AM  

mrmopar5287: Southwest might do well to consider Airbus A220 models (Bombardier CSeries). Boeing has abandoned the 100-150 seat market.


The "we must fly nothing but 737s because of easy maintenance" was a Herb Kelleher idea, wasn't it? Maybe Southwest will become a totally different company without his presence (I know, he had been out of power for a while, but maybe the chairman emeritus title he held until his passing fed into the company's mission).
 
2019-04-14 08:30:05 AM  

dkulprit: FTA:

The process of FAA delegating oversight to Boeing "may be too ingrained to reverse and further complicated because of the FAA's budget and lack of available and qualified personnel," Weaks wrote.

Too soon for thoughts and prayers?  Will it take planes crashing here for them to see what a terrible idea this is?  "We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong."  You think a for profit business is going to do the right thing if it involves cutting into their profit margin?


Congress (well 2004's Congress anyway) has as much blood on their hands as Boeing. They should never have let Boeing be in this position. This is also an object lesson in how sometimes deregulation that looks good to an industry can screw it later.
 
2019-04-15 02:42:28 AM  
I get the hate on Boeing and the FAA here, they majorly screwed up here.

What I don't understand is the framing that Boeing is deficient in making planes. That plane did EXACTLY what it was supposed to but it was based on bad sensor data. That's why there's a way to turn off MCAS.

The heinous thing Boeing did was bill the additional sensor as an add on and neglect proper training initiatives to make money faster. The planes are dangerous when the proper information was withheld.

I'm curious where people think Boeing screwed up? Was it in not mandating training on this new system? Was it implementing this system? Making the MAX in the first place?
 
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