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2019-04-12 04:00:11 PM  
When I'm flying on smaller aircraft with less pitch, I have a device that prevents reclining.  They're called my knees.  Long haul or overnight flights are one thing, but reclining on an RJ on a one or two hour flight should be cause for keelhauling at 39,000 feet.
 
2019-04-12 04:12:21 PM  

Datanerd: When I'm flying on smaller aircraft with less pitch, I have a device that prevents reclining.  They're called my knees.  Long haul or overnight flights are one thing, but reclining on an RJ on a one or two hour flight should be cause for keelhauling at 39,000 feet.


Screw you poor person. I buy (we'll get free upgrades) to "business" seats. I recline because I've likely been flying for a good 10 hours before climbing on the RJ.

Gah, I hate flying commercial because of people like you. Well, and the airlines who decided to stuff more seats on aircraft than reasonable, but you too.
 
2019-04-12 04:14:38 PM  
In general, interacting with any aspect of the aviation industry sucks. Restricting how seats recline is unlikely to change that in any meaningful way.
 
Juc
2019-04-12 04:15:09 PM  
the seats are so close together now a days the person in front of me doesn't get an option to recline, not unless they happen to take my legs clean off; I'm too tall for modern seating plans.
First class is a different story though, flying in first class actually has some amount of comfort to it.
 
2019-04-12 04:18:16 PM  

inglixthemad: Datanerd: When I'm flying on smaller aircraft with less pitch, I have a device that prevents reclining.  They're called my knees.  Long haul or overnight flights are one thing, but reclining on an RJ on a one or two hour flight should be cause for keelhauling at 39,000 feet.

Screw you poor person. I buy (we'll get free upgrades) to "business" seats. I recline because I've likely been flying for a good 10 hours before climbing on the RJ.

Gah, I hate flying commercial because of people like you. Well, and the airlines who decided to stuff more seats on aircraft than reasonable, but you too.


Yeah. Why can't everyone fly business class?
 
2019-04-12 04:27:27 PM  
While it may sound like a chance for the airline to stuff another few seats into an already tight aircraft, airline officials promise that's not what they're doing.

Well, of course, because the stuffing already happened.
 
2019-04-12 04:31:11 PM  
I wanted to work, but if he reclined while I was writing, my laptop might not survive it.

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2019-04-12 04:32:17 PM  
Delta's new seating

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2019-04-12 04:42:53 PM  
FTFA: "While it may sound like a chance for the airline to stuff another few seats into an already tight aircraft, airline officials promise that's not what they're doing."

Of course not, that comes in 6 months when you've forgotten your outrage over the seat reclining issue, and there won't be an accompanying news article.
 
2019-04-12 04:44:18 PM  
Seat recliners sniff more farts
 
2019-04-12 04:47:25 PM  

OkieDookie: Delta's new seating

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At FlyU Air we welcome our new Amistad seating guests.  Visit us online at FU.com
 
2019-04-12 05:01:50 PM  

Datanerd: When I'm flying on smaller aircraft with less pitch, I have a device that prevents reclining.  They're called my knees.  Long haul or overnight flights are one thing, but reclining on an RJ on a one or two hour flight should be cause for keelhauling at 39,000 feet.


That's just silly.

Airplanes don't have keels.
 
2019-04-12 05:29:07 PM  
Good. Now restrict seats exit rows to people who are taller than a farking ewok.

I swear to god it's always some five foot college girl with her legs curled under her
ass who then needs to recline after flopping her hair over the seat back.
 
2019-04-12 06:16:53 PM  
I have no problem with limiting the recline angle. I only recline when I'm trying to sleep, and even then only a slight amount and after looking back to make sure the person behind me is already asleep or at least doesn't have their tray down. I find it uncomfortable otherwise; I'm hunching my shoulders and leaning my neck forward. And since I prefer the window seat, I'd rather have a couple more pillows that would allow me to rest against the side.

On some of their newer A330s and A350s, Cathay Pacific has seats that shift the seat bottom forward at the same time, so it actually works better if everyone reclines. And some other configurations are more-or-less "pre-reclined" and if I recall correctly you can't move them at all.
 
2019-04-12 06:22:32 PM  
Wait until the semi-standing seat becomes a thing.
 
2019-04-12 06:32:36 PM  
In ten years there will be no more seats.  They'll just shove a meat hook up your bum and hang you on a rack in the plane.  Lubricant is extra.
 
2019-04-12 06:35:50 PM  
If the ticket you bought did not take into account your leg length, I'm not sure why anyone would think the one I bought would.
 
2019-04-12 06:44:36 PM  

BretMavrik: I only recline when I'm trying to sleep


Not to pick on you, but many/most airline passengers are not so considerate (and neither are the airlines who so restrict our space that reclining is no longer an option). In light of that, no one gets to recline.

// also, if you have a drink on the tray when the person in front decides now's the time to recline, I hope you're not wearing anything that stains
// I swear, the first airline to have a few rows of "tall people ONLY seating" will get 100% of my travel money for the rest of my life
 
2019-04-12 06:48:02 PM  

Dr Dreidel: BretMavrik: I only recline when I'm trying to sleep

Not to pick on you, but many/most airline passengers are not so considerate (and neither are the airlines who so restrict our space that reclining is no longer an option). In light of that, no one gets to recline.

// also, if you have a drink on the tray when the person in front decides now's the time to recline, I hope you're not wearing anything that stains
// I swear, the first airline to have a few rows of "tall people ONLY seating" will get 100% of my travel money for the rest of my life


Special tall seating? Hell the want to get rid of toilets on flights shorter than 5 hours to squeeze in 4 more row of super ultra economy miles minus minus seats.
 
2019-04-12 06:57:01 PM  
Ya know, Those extra 2 inches don't make that much difference if you allow enough room between seats. I got moved to a seat that had 4 inches of extra leg room once. The person in front of me reclines and I didn't even notice.
 
2019-04-12 07:08:35 PM  

OkieDookie: Dr Dreidel: BretMavrik: I only recline when I'm trying to sleep

Not to pick on you, but many/most airline passengers are not so considerate (and neither are the airlines who so restrict our space that reclining is no longer an option). In light of that, no one gets to recline.

// also, if you have a drink on the tray when the person in front decides now's the time to recline, I hope you're not wearing anything that stains
// I swear, the first airline to have a few rows of "tall people ONLY seating" will get 100% of my travel money for the rest of my life

Special tall seating? Hell the want to get rid of toilets on flights shorter than 5 hours to squeeze in 4 more row of super ultra economy miles minus minus seats.


Oh, I know. It's one of those "If I had airline-staring money..." ideas.

I've been 6'4 since I was a teenager, which means I've taken 10+ trans-Atlantic flights with decreasing leg room (and that's not counting a few cross-country flights, and smaller jaunts where there was literally not enough room for me to stand up straight). Once I finished growing up I broadened, so my shoulders ended up wider than the seats.

I've also gained like 100 lbs since then (thankfully it's mostly forward, not sideways; so I'm not the kind of fatty who spills into the other seat - not at the waist, anyway), but I don't think my shoulders will get less broad even if I manage to lose half of it.

// anyway
// I have feelings about flying
// I also get motion sick, which is, just, fun as all hell (and thank every god that was for Dramamine)
// CSB: after a long-story-in-itself kind of overnight 10-hour layover at the Paris airport, I mixed Dramamine and Xanax for the flight back to DC - a flight attendant had to wake me up for the safety announcement
// which I slept through anyway
 
2019-04-12 07:15:06 PM  

Dr Dreidel: OkieDookie: Dr Dreidel: BretMavrik: I only recline when I'm trying to sleep

Not to pick on you, but many/most airline passengers are not so considerate (and neither are the airlines who so restrict our space that reclining is no longer an option). In light of that, no one gets to recline.

// also, if you have a drink on the tray when the person in front decides now's the time to recline, I hope you're not wearing anything that stains
// I swear, the first airline to have a few rows of "tall people ONLY seating" will get 100% of my travel money for the rest of my life

Special tall seating? Hell the want to get rid of toilets on flights shorter than 5 hours to squeeze in 4 more row of super ultra economy miles minus minus seats.

Oh, I know. It's one of those "If I had airline-staring money..." ideas.

I've been 6'4 since I was a teenager, which means I've taken 10+ trans-Atlantic flights with decreasing leg room (and that's not counting a few cross-country flights, and smaller jaunts where there was literally not enough room for me to stand up straight). Once I finished growing up I broadened, so my shoulders ended up wider than the seats.

I've also gained like 100 lbs since then (thankfully it's mostly forward, not sideways; so I'm not the kind of fatty who spills into the other seat - not at the waist, anyway), but I don't think my shoulders will get less broad even if I manage to lose half of it.

// anyway
// I have feelings about flying
// I also get motion sick, which is, just, fun as all hell (and thank every god that was for Dramamine)
// CSB: after a long-story-in-itself kind of overnight 10-hour layover at the Paris airport, I mixed Dramamine and Xanax for the flight back to DC - a flight attendant had to wake me up for the safety announcement
// which I slept through anyway


Did you ever get to fly Midwest Express?  They fitted their entire planes with business class.  I flew them whenever it was even remotely sane.  Even with somewhat tight pitch it was a joy.  Sadly, they went under.
 
2019-04-12 07:53:28 PM  

Datanerd: Did you ever get to fly Midwest Express?  They fitted their entire planes with business class.  I flew them whenever it was even remotely sane.  Even with somewhat tight pitch it was a joy.  Sadly, they went under.


Sad to hear that, I never flew with them. That sounds great.

I did fly USAir a bunch of times, does that count?
 
2019-04-12 08:11:49 PM  
Just wait until people see the new "Nutbuster 4000" seats.

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2019-04-12 08:30:13 PM  

FarkingSmurf: Just wait until people see the new "Nutbuster 4000" seats.

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Oh, she could bust my nuts any time she wanted...

/not in those seats though.
//they never show people in the back row when demoing those seats.
///wonder if the seats recline?
////but hey, we can fit a fourth row of slashes now.
 
2019-04-12 09:09:54 PM  

Stile4aly: In ten years there will be no more seats.  They'll just shove a meat hook up your bum and hang you on a rack in the plane.  Lubricant is extra.


I'm pretty sure you stole that from Spirit's business model
 
2019-04-12 09:22:45 PM  

OkieDookie: Delta's new seating

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2019-04-12 09:32:38 PM  
I must be the only tall person who likes people reclining in front of him. I just sit all the way back (gets my knees so they're out of the way and I can almost straighten my legs) and I can lean forward onto the back of their headrest and sleep (since the headrests push my head forward so I have to tighten my shoulders if I lean back, but if I lean forward, I can actually fully relax and sleep).

It's one time where discourteous people are actually benefiting me.
 
2019-04-12 09:51:11 PM  
Does anyone expect tall people to not go to the front of a music show or sit in the front of a theater? Of course not. You short folk go ahead and recline. It's your seat, use it as designed. Life is full of tradeoffs.
 
2019-04-12 10:28:17 PM  
I'll be honest here, I don't fly a ton, yet I've flown a couple dozen times or so. Typically one or two round trips a year, typically 4-6 hour flights on average depending where I'm headed. Nothing too exotic or extravagant and typically not business class because I don't fly often enough to get the free upgrades from loyalty programs and I'm not paying the face value for those seats (although I have been lucky enough to snag them at the gate paying for the upgrade at pennies on the dollar a few times)

That said, the seats recline so little I barely notice the difference between the reclined position vs not reclined when I'm in them and when the person in front of me reclines I notice it but nothing more than a "oh his seat moved" sort of thing. Still have plenty of room (plenty being generous given the way they pack the seats on planes but speaking as it relates to the unreclined position it doesn't seem to take that much space to cause me any annoyance), typically don't have any issue using my laptop and honestly doesn't bother me. Of course I'm a skinny guy so even with the cramped space I typically have room to move a little. So honestly it kind of surprised me when I first heard others talking about how annoying the guy in front of you reclining is on flights and how you should never do it. It's literally one of the few things that doesn't bother me on a flight and while I used to recline, I stopped doing it because it never made a huge difference to me and if it makes even 5% of travelers who might be behind happy then it was worth the "sacrifice".

For me the bigger issue has always been leg space, I might be skinny but I'm not short. Half the time I take my "personal item" out from under the seat in front of me just to stretch my legs into the space (yes it's a tight angle but it gives me just the couple extra inches needed to make the trip bearable). Leg space is the reason I always seek isle seats (yes I'm the asshole with his feet in the isle, fark off), exit rows, front rows (although on some planes these front rows aren't even an improvement if they have a solid barrier as you loose the personal item space under the seat in front of you to stretch into) or if possible business class upgrades.

I swear if I could get another 5 inches of leg room the guy in front of me could recline so far his head was in my lap for all I care.
 
2019-04-12 10:29:22 PM  

mrmopar5287: OkieDookie: Delta's new seating

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I was showing 1st class
 
2019-04-12 10:34:20 PM  

OkieDookie: mrmopar5287: OkieDookie: Delta's new seating

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I was showing 1st class


Nah, that's business class. First class gets beds.
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2019-04-13 01:20:59 AM  
I flew across the Atlantic on Delta recently, and while it was a pretty cheap and decent option in terms of overall flight time and everything, I swear to god that seat was the most uncomfortable thing I've ever sat on. Even with several blankets on it, it was like sitting on a farking concrete slab.

Basically first world problems. But for real, those seats are ass.
 
2019-04-13 01:32:07 AM  

bdub77: I flew across the Atlantic on Delta recently, and while it was a pretty cheap and decent option in terms of overall flight time and everything, I swear to god that seat was the most uncomfortable thing I've ever sat on. Even with several blankets on it, it was like sitting on a farking concrete slab.

Basically first world problems. But for real, those seats are ass.


You should have splurged for the sandstone dildo upgrade, to take your mind off the seat.
 
2019-04-13 01:39:46 AM  

bdub77: I flew across the Atlantic on Delta recently, and while it was a pretty cheap and decent option in terms of overall flight time and everything, I swear to god that seat was the most uncomfortable thing I've ever sat on. Even with several blankets on it, it was like sitting on a farking concrete slab.

Basically first world problems. But for real, those seats are ass.


Yeah, that's one of my few complaints about Delta's long-hauls (I'm going the other direction, 9- to 13-hour cross-Pacific flights). I don't have much padding "down there", so their seats (including Comfort Plus) get pretty stiff after a while. I usually start with the pillow supporting my lower back then switch to my ass and thighs about five hours into the flight. Sometimes I get lucky and there's no one next to me so I can snag that pillow and support both.
 
2019-04-13 07:08:55 AM  
I wasn't aware seats still reclined.
 
2019-04-13 08:18:14 AM  
Not to rain on anyone's hate boner(may even possible enrage it more) but the recline mechanisms are $$ and wearout all the time. This isnt just about craming more seats its also about cutting (even more) cost so the big wigs can claim a good quarter....
 
2019-04-13 09:43:44 AM  

Tea_tempest_Cup: In general, interacting with any aspect of the aviation industry sucks. Restricting how seats recline is unlikely to change that in any meaningful way.


fly the friendly skies my ass.
 
2019-04-13 09:45:18 AM  

Juc: the seats are so close together now a days the person in front of me doesn't get an option to recline, not unless they happen to take my legs clean off; I'm too tall for modern seating plans.
First class is a different story though, flying in first class actually has some amount of comfort to it.


bec only first class murcans matter.

the riff raff is only there to be exploited.
 
2019-04-13 09:46:42 AM  

Raoul Eaton: inglixthemad: Datanerd: When I'm flying on smaller aircraft with less pitch, I have a device that prevents reclining.  They're called my knees.  Long haul or overnight flights are one thing, but reclining on an RJ on a one or two hour flight should be cause for keelhauling at 39,000 feet.

Screw you poor person. I buy (we'll get free upgrades) to "business" seats. I recline because I've likely been flying for a good 10 hours before climbing on the RJ.

Gah, I hate flying commercial because of people like you. Well, and the airlines who decided to stuff more seats on aircraft than reasonable, but you too.

Yeah. Why can't everyone fly business class?


id just be happy if theyd stop shipping their money to overseas tax havens.
 
2019-04-13 09:47:33 AM  

JohnBigBootay: Does anyone expect tall people to not go to the front of a music show or sit in the front of a theater? Of course not. You short folk go ahead and recline. It's your seat, use it as designed. Life is full of tradeoffs.


I also don't stand in the front of shows if I can avoid it. I also slouch so the people behind me have a chance of seeing.
 
2019-04-13 09:49:57 AM  

ranna: Not to rain on anyone's hate boner(may even possible enrage it more) but the recline mechanisms are $$ and wearout all the time. This isnt just about craming more seats its also about cutting (even more) cost so the big wigs can claim a good quarter....


well the sit at home stock owners do love a good quarter.
 
kab
2019-04-13 11:12:20 AM  
good
 
2019-04-13 02:13:50 PM  
They'll keep cramming more seats as long as customers keep clicking the cheapest option on Expediorbitzline.  I would love to see a travel portal where you can select your seat pitch with radio buttons.

This also applies to free checked luggage - they made it a separate charge because so many people didn't use it and the moment one company tried separating the charge, the gig was up - everyone would click that slightly cheaper option.

If you treat travel accommodations as a commodity, don't be surprised when they treat you like a commodity as well.
 
2019-04-13 05:20:20 PM  

Needlessly Complicated: Datanerd: When I'm flying on smaller aircraft with less pitch, I have a device that prevents reclining.  They're called my knees.  Long haul or overnight flights are one thing, but reclining on an RJ on a one or two hour flight should be cause for keelhauling at 39,000 feet.

That's just silly.

Airplanes don't have keels.


The 737 does: https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.​p​hp/t-273390.html
 
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