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(The Coloradoan)   U.S. now spends more on healthcare than any other country, at $8,000 per person. Healthcare executives defend findings, say those beach houses in the Hamptons don't come cheap   (coloradoan.com) divider line
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2019-04-12 12:33:51 PM  
B-b-b-but the only alternative is SOSHALIZM.
 
2019-04-12 12:40:03 PM  
It ain't the beach homes.
The problem is "Healthcare executives".
Sic 'em.
 
2019-04-12 12:45:14 PM  
My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00
 
2019-04-12 12:49:58 PM  

Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00


Are you her first born child? It might not be all in yet.
 
2019-04-12 12:50:27 PM  
 
2019-04-12 12:55:45 PM  
Whar pie chart showing what the rest of entire world wide medical costs compared to USA?
I figure it is gonna look a lot like the military spending chart.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2019-04-12 01:04:27 PM  
It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.
 
2019-04-12 01:08:34 PM  

vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.


Even the koch brothers study showed the US would save  around a trillion a year with universal coverage. The US spends around 3.5 trillion a year already on health care.
 
2019-04-12 01:27:52 PM  
All that extra money though, surely outcomes are the best in the world though.
 
2019-04-12 01:32:17 PM  
But the US would not be exceptional if we just copied everyone else. Instead, we get the best health care money can buy... money paid by health care lobbyists to our elected officials that is.
 
2019-04-12 01:34:25 PM  

eurotrader: vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.

Even the koch brothers study showed the US would save  around a trillion a year with universal coverage. The US spends around 3.5 trillion a year already on health care.


I thought it was a trillion over 10 years?
Like 33T vs 32T over 10 years?
Still savings and that is the worst case as it was an obviously biased report looking to show public healthcare would be the worst option.
I don't think it took into consideration either the knock on effect of that money being spent elsewhere in the economy thus helping other industries.
 
2019-04-12 01:35:32 PM  
It's a broken system, rife with exploitation and bloated bureaucracy which results in high administrative costs.

One thing I've wondered is if we could argue for a consolidation of the various government programs as a step towards single payer.  Currently, we have Medicare, 50 different Medicaid programs, Tricare, VA, IHS, and the BCBS Federal Employee program, in addition to publicly funded private insurance that covers state and local government employees.  That's a lot of programs with different guidelines to support, but in the end they all have the same goal.
 
2019-04-12 02:14:20 PM  
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2019-04-12 02:16:15 PM  

Coredatum: It's a broken system, rife with exploitation and bloated bureaucracy which results in high administrative costs.

One thing I've wondered is if we could argue for a consolidation of the various government programs as a step towards single payer.  Currently, we have Medicare, 50 different Medicaid programs, Tricare, VA, IHS, and the BCBS Federal Employee program, in addition to publicly funded private insurance that covers state and local government employees.  That's a lot of programs with different guidelines to support, but in the end they all have the same goal.


No no no.  The only answer is a single-step fix-all that everyone 100% agrees with.   Until we figure that out, its much better to do nothing
 
2019-04-12 02:24:25 PM  

vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.


They don't mean it, though. Look, the real reason is that right now there's people who need health care who aren't getting it. And if we give everybody health care, then that means people who have health care now might have to wait a bit in line behind the poor folks (No, I don't know why the Invisible Hand of the Market wouldn't step in and and fix that.). That's the real objection. Single-payer health care for all means some people are mildly inconvencienced. Now they can't just come right out and say, "It's more important to me that poor people die than I have to stand in line," so they just lie about costs.

Republicans are greedy, amoral, un-American, inhuman motherfarkers. Never forget that.
 
2019-04-12 02:37:31 PM  

Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00


Wow. I spent 5 days in the hospital in 2015, including a day in ICU. The bill was $13,000 and change. Ended up a month later getting a defillibrator implant. That stay was for $120,000.

/ventricular tachycardia
//Bring on Universal Healthcare
///Or affordable healthcare
 
2019-04-12 02:37:52 PM  
Hey, at least the market will ensure that our healthcare outcomes are the best in the world.  You get what you pay for, after all.

https://interactives.commonwealthfund​.​org/2017/july/mirror-mirror/

No other industrialized country has a healthcare track record like that!
 
2019-04-12 02:42:36 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: B-b-b-but the only alternative is SOSHALIZM.


The best part is that since those "universal healthcare countries" can negotiate for drug prices, Americans pay more - we're already subsidizing socialized medicine, just for other countries.
 
2019-04-12 03:22:57 PM  

nicholasneko: eurotrader: vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.

Even the koch brothers study showed the US would save  around a trillion a year with universal coverage. The US spends around 3.5 trillion a year already on health care.

I thought it was a trillion over 10 years?
Like 33T vs 32T over 10 years?
Still savings and that is the worst case as it was an obviously biased report looking to show public healthcare would be the worst option.
I don't think it took into consideration either the knock on effect of that money being spent elsewhere in the economy thus helping other industries.


You don't need any report to stop and realize that the Annual American Medical Bill is already being paid one way or another. FARKIE: in the most expensive way possible.
 
2019-04-12 03:44:38 PM  
Fark Medicare For All. What is needed is Better Medicare For All.
Reality is Medicare fails to cover way too much. Ever hear of Medigap?

Cost of Supplemental Medicare Insurance (Medigap)Medigap PlanAverage Monthly Premium3
C$347
D$299
F$326
F (High Deductible)$68

Medicare is not going to solve America's health expense problem.
 
2019-04-12 04:01:07 PM  

Gubbo: All that extra money though, surely outcomes are the best in the world though.


Our cancer five year survival rates are higher than the rest of the world something on the order of 85% vs. 83%. It's like saying if you pay 1/3 more on your insurance you get 1.2 more months of life.
 
2019-04-12 04:14:41 PM  

snocone: Fark Medicare For All. What is needed is Better Medicare For All.
Reality is Medicare fails to cover way too much. Ever hear of Medigap?

Cost of Supplemental Medicare Insurance (Medigap)Medigap PlanAverage Monthly Premium3
C$347
D$299
F$326
F (High Deductible)$68

Medicare is not going to solve America's health expense problem.


Medicare for all is just a catch-all term for universal coverage. The details are all still up for debate.
 
2019-04-12 04:42:58 PM  

Gubbo: snocone: Fark Medicare For All. What is needed is Better Medicare For All.
Reality is Medicare fails to cover way too much. Ever hear of Medigap?

Cost of Supplemental Medicare Insurance (Medigap)Medigap PlanAverage Monthly Premium3
C$347
D$299
F$326
F (High Deductible)$68

Medicare is not going to solve America's health expense problem.

Medicare for all is just a catch-all term for universal coverage. The details are all still up for debate.


BETTER MEDICARE FOR ALL
Debates start in two months.
Git er dun. Be Best.
 
2019-04-12 04:45:36 PM  

Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00


Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.
 
2019-04-12 04:48:25 PM  

Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.


We have decades of lying and Real Bigtime Grifting to overcome.
All those rich bastards are not going to give it up easily.
Can we relocate some to Canada? They are starting to visit.
 
2019-04-12 04:53:42 PM  
We've all had this argument on Fark before. Almost monthly.
America has the greatest health care you can afford.
If you're the upper 10% of society, you're literally laughing through life at the middle class peons you've convinced " Da Mexican r stealin' ur jerbs " while they go bankrupt after their insurance company cancels their policy once they hear you or a loved one is sick.
Europe, Canada and basically the rest of the modern world have socialized medicine and everyone is happier for it.
Especially my taxes are higher but on average Canadians are healthier than Americans becuase we aren't afraid of visiting the Dr.
Bbbbbb DEATH PANELS RUN SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.
I've never heard of someone dieing I'm Canada or Europe becuase an Insurance company refuses to pay or the individual cant afford treatment but I have heard it from Americans happening in America.
Medicine is based on severity scale here, the worse you are the quicker you're seen by a dr. Not by the size of your wallet.
My father had a quad bypass, out of pocket expenses to him and my mother were the daily parking for the car and tv/internet/phone access at his bedside.
Ya, he paid $200,000 over 20 years through taxes but ya know what?
He still has his house, his savings, Pension and isn't afraid of loosing everything if anything happens again.
You cant put a price tag on that kind of feeling of security.
 
2019-04-12 04:54:09 PM  

Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.


Yeah but if she had something really minor it might have been 2 months on a waiting list.

/Evil of socialism
 
2019-04-12 05:30:09 PM  

Gubbo: Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.

Yeah but if she had something really minor it might have been 2 months on a waiting list.

/Evil of socialism


My sister found a lump and went to the doctor.  Then she waited six weeks for an opening in the specialists office to do a detailed biopsy.  Then she had a mastectomy and reconstructive surgery.   They screwed up the reconstruction, and she is about to go back in for her seventh shot at fixing it.

Total time, about five years.  I have no idea what it cost, but it was way more than gas.
 
2019-04-12 05:58:48 PM  

Gubbo: Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.

Yeah but if she had something really minor it might have been 2 months on a waiting list.

/Evil of socialism


That's what i thought too when I went to the ER with a toothache.
It was a Sunday an I couldn't get a hold of my dentist so I went to the ER for some antibiotics because may face was pretty swollen.
Waited about 20 minutes until a doctor came in and he asked me a few questions and wrote something down in a chart and then left. A few minutes later a nurse came into the room and said "come on were taking you to get a CAT scan" so now I start to panic and am asking her WTF is wrong with me that I need a CAT scan? and she's like "probably nothing but the doctor just wants to make sure it's only a toothache."
So I have the scan and like 30 minutes later the nurse was yup just a tootheache we're going to give you some antibiotics by IV and then we'll let you go.
Total time there, a little over 2 hours.
There's an A&W across the street from the hospital and I got a Teenbuger and fries.
Cost $10.
Hospital $0
 
2019-04-12 06:08:12 PM  

Fishbulb30w: Gubbo: Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.

Yeah but if she had something really minor it might have been 2 months on a waiting list.

/Evil of socialism

That's what i thought too when I went to the ER with a toothache.
It was a Sunday an I couldn't get a hold of my dentist so I went to the ER for some antibiotics because may face was pretty swollen.
Waited about 20 minutes until a doctor came in and he asked me a few questions and wrote something down in a chart and then left. A few minutes later a nurse came into the room and said "come on were taking you to get a CAT scan" so now I start to panic and am asking her WTF is wrong with me that I need a CAT scan? and she's like "probably nothing but the doctor just wants to make sure it's only a toothache."
So I have the scan and like 30 minutes later the nurse was yup just a tootheache we're going to give you some antibiotics by IV and then we'll let you go.
Total time there, a little over 2 hours.
There's an A&W across the street from the hospital and I got a Teenbuger and fries.
Cost $10.
Hospital $0


I was fishing once and did a "chuck and forget to duck" and hooked a nymph in the back of my ear.   My wife was out of town, so rather than fark myself up even more by trying to push the hook through the ear I went to the e-room.     I met with a PA, who clipped the barb off, pushed it through and patched it up with a bit of ointment and a band-aid.  Total time in and out, half an hour.

Bill:  $1800.
 
Xai [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2019-04-12 06:15:22 PM  

vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.


a single payer system would quickly lead to regulating drug and treatment prices, since taxpayers won't stand for cough drops costing hundreds of dollars or insulin that costs $1 to make retailing for over $1000. The people leading the campaign against single payer own the pharmaceutical companies and for-profit hospitals that charge those prices and that stand to lose out while the average American gains, and they can't have that.

They've got the best deal of any industry in the US since it's literally your money or your life, so they can force you to hand over everything you have and more.
 
2019-04-12 06:19:43 PM  

Xai: vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.

a single payer system would quickly lead to regulating drug and treatment prices, since taxpayers won't stand for cough drops costing hundreds of dollars or insulin that costs $1 to make retailing for over $1000. The people leading the campaign against single payer own the pharmaceutical companies and for-profit hospitals that charge those prices and that stand to lose out while the average American gains, and they can't have that.

They've got the best deal of any industry in the US since it's literally your money or your life, so they can force you to hand over everything you have and more.


There should be bankruptcy firms located  across from hospitals. Medical bills are the number 1 reason for declaring personal bankruptcy.
 
2019-04-12 06:43:12 PM  

Xai: a single payer system would quickly lead to regulating drug and treatment prices, since taxpayers won't stand for cough drops costing hundreds of dollars or insulin that costs $1 to make retailing for over $1000.


Medicare part D already regulates drug prices.  Except it regulates them the wrong way by prohibiting the US government, the largest purchaser of drugs in the world, from using that purchasing power to negotiate a cheaper rate.   By law, they pay market prices.

Thanks Bush.  And Obama, for doing Jack fark to fix it.
 
2019-04-12 07:16:59 PM  

eurotrader: Xai: vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.

a single payer system would quickly lead to regulating drug and treatment prices, since taxpayers won't stand for cough drops costing hundreds of dollars or insulin that costs $1 to make retailing for over $1000. The people leading the campaign against single payer own the pharmaceutical companies and for-profit hospitals that charge those prices and that stand to lose out while the average American gains, and they can't have that.

They've got the best deal of any industry in the US since it's literally your money or your life, so they can force you to hand over everything you have and more.

There should be bankruptcy firms located  across from hospitals. Medical bills are the number 1 reason for declaring personal bankruptcy.


Do you know how to spot a smart bankruptcy lawyer? When their office is next to a hospital.
 
2019-04-12 07:44:20 PM  

eurotrader: vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.

Even the koch brothers study showed the US would save  around a trillion a year with universal coverage. The US spends around 3.5 trillion a year already on health care.


This.  Besides the massive waste in paying share holders profits, there are likely more than 1 million jobs at stake in records, billing, debt collections, and benefits "coordination".
 
2019-04-13 12:37:18 AM  

Fishbulb30w: Gubbo: Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.

Yeah but if she had something really minor it might have been 2 months on a waiting list.

/Evil of socialism

That's what i thought too when I went to the ER with a toothache.
It was a Sunday an I couldn't get a hold of my dentist so I went to the ER for some antibiotics because may face was pretty swollen.
Waited about 20 minutes until a doctor came in and he asked me a few questions and wrote something down in a chart and then left. A few minutes later a nurse came into the room and said "come on were taking you to get a CAT scan" so now I start to panic and am asking her WTF is wrong with me that I need a CAT scan? and she's like "probably nothing but the doctor just wants to make sure it's only a toothache."
So I have the scan and like 30 minutes later the nurse was yup just a tootheache we're going to give you some antibiotics by IV and then we'll let you go.
Total time there, a little over 2 hours.
There's an A&W across the street from the hospital and I got a Teenbuger and fries.
Cost $10.
Hospital $0


Your doctor wanted to make sure there was no abscess cavity that needed draining, or your infection hadn't spread.  Can go down retropharyngeal space and reach the mediastinum.  That's nice big surgery and ICU stay.  Good doc.

https://www.cda-adc.ca/jcda/vol-67/iss​ue-6/324.html
 
2019-04-13 02:23:31 AM  
In dec of 2017 I stepped on a rusty nail and went to a urgent care.  The nail broken the skin, but it didn't go that deep.  They cleaned the wound and gave me a tetanus shot.  I had a $15 copay.

Two weeks ago I got a bill from urgent care.  I was billed $403, insurance covered $82, and my copay covered $15, and now they were requesting the remaining $300.  I called my insurance company and told them about this, and asked if there was anyway of reducing the total amount owed, more so blaming urgent care because they really didn't provide any kind of breakdown for costs.  I was put on hold for a few minutes, when they came back they advised that the remainder of the balance is approved and that I don't have to worry about the bill.  While I'm glad it worked out, this is the kind of stressful bullshiat we shouldn't have to deal with, I shouldn't have to call my insurance company to encourage them to provide me with complete coverage.
 
2019-04-13 09:53:19 AM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: B-b-b-but the only alternative is SOSHALIZM.


making billions off disease and misery is the ticket!!
 
2019-04-13 09:56:39 AM  

Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00


hey YOU try making a living by sitting at home and collecting stock capital gains.

it aint easy.
 
2019-04-13 09:57:45 AM  

snocone: It ain't the beach homes.
The problem is "Healthcare executives".
Sic 'em.


the problem is run amuck capitalism.
 
2019-04-13 10:00:12 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.

They don't mean it, though. Look, the real reason is that right now there's people who need health care who aren't getting it. And if we give everybody health care, then that means people who have health care now might have to wait a bit in line behind the poor folks (No, I don't know why the Invisible Hand of the Market wouldn't step in and and fix that.). That's the real objection. Single-payer health care for all means some people are mildly inconvencienced. Now they can't just come right out and say, "It's more important to me that poor people die than I have to stand in line," so they just lie about costs.

Republicans are greedy, amoral, un-American, inhuman motherfarkers. Never forget that.


but they do think highly of themselves.
 
2019-04-13 10:04:15 AM  

Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.


those Monsters!

in America(tm) humans have rights and dignity.
 
2019-04-13 10:05:43 AM  

Kefka1911: We've all had this argument on Fark before. Almost monthly.
America has the greatest health care you can afford.
If you're the upper 10% of society, you're literally laughing through life at the middle class peons you've convinced " Da Mexican r stealin' ur jerbs " while they go bankrupt after their insurance company cancels their policy once they hear you or a loved one is sick.
Europe, Canada and basically the rest of the modern world have socialized medicine and everyone is happier for it.
Especially my taxes are higher but on average Canadians are healthier than Americans becuase we aren't afraid of visiting the Dr.
Bbbbbb DEATH PANELS RUN SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.
I've never heard of someone dieing I'm Canada or Europe becuase an Insurance company refuses to pay or the individual cant afford treatment but I have heard it from Americans happening in America.
Medicine is based on severity scale here, the worse you are the quicker you're seen by a dr. Not by the size of your wallet.
My father had a quad bypass, out of pocket expenses to him and my mother were the daily parking for the car and tv/internet/phone access at his bedside.
Ya, he paid $200,000 over 20 years through taxes but ya know what?
He still has his house, his savings, Pension and isn't afraid of loosing everything if anything happens again.
You cant put a price tag on that kind of feeling of security.


u r a Freedom Monster sir!
 
2019-04-13 10:07:27 AM  

Rent Party: Fishbulb30w: Gubbo: Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.

Yeah but if she had something really minor it might have been 2 months on a waiting list.

/Evil of socialism

That's what i thought too when I went to the ER with a toothache.
It was a Sunday an I couldn't get a hold of my dentist so I went to the ER for some antibiotics because may face was pretty swollen.
Waited about 20 minutes until a doctor came in and he asked me a few questions and wrote something down in a chart and then left. A few minutes later a nurse came into the room and said "come on were taking you to get a CAT scan" so now I start to panic and am asking her WTF is wrong with me that I need a CAT scan? and she's like "probably nothing but the doctor just wants to make sure it's only a toothache."
So I have the scan and like 30 minutes later the nurse was yup just a tootheache we're going to give you some antibiotics by IV and then we'll let you go.
Total time there, a little over 2 hours.
There's an A&W across the street from the hospital and I got a Teenbuger and fries.
Cost $10.
Hospital $0

I was fishing once and did a "chuck and forget to duck" and hooked a nymph in the back of my ear.   My wife was out of town, so rather than fark myself up even more by trying to push the hook through the ear I went to the e-room.     I met with a PA, who clipped the barb off, pushed it through and patched it up with a bit of ointment and a band-aid.  Total time in and out, half an hour.

Bill:  $1800.


and the hospital administrators/stock owners lived happily ever after.
 
2019-04-13 10:08:43 AM  

Xai: vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.

a single payer system would quickly lead to regulating drug and treatment prices, since taxpayers won't stand for cough drops costing hundreds of dollars or insulin that costs $1 to make retailing for over $1000. The people leading the campaign against single payer own the pharmaceutical companies and for-profit hospitals that charge those prices and that stand to lose out while the average American gains, and they can't have that.

They've got the best deal of any industry in the US since it's literally your money or your life, so they can force you to hand over everything you have and more.


but remember they r the Care in healthcare.  snicker
 
2019-04-13 10:09:58 AM  

eurotrader: Xai: vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.

a single payer system would quickly lead to regulating drug and treatment prices, since taxpayers won't stand for cough drops costing hundreds of dollars or insulin that costs $1 to make retailing for over $1000. The people leading the campaign against single payer own the pharmaceutical companies and for-profit hospitals that charge those prices and that stand to lose out while the average American gains, and they can't have that.

They've got the best deal of any industry in the US since it's literally your money or your life, so they can force you to hand over everything you have and more.

There should be bankruptcy firms located  across from hospitals. Medical bills are the number 1 reason for declaring personal bankruptcy.


yep.

but keep that on the downlow bec murca number 1!
 
2019-04-13 10:11:04 AM  

Rent Party: Xai: a single payer system would quickly lead to regulating drug and treatment prices, since taxpayers won't stand for cough drops costing hundreds of dollars or insulin that costs $1 to make retailing for over $1000.

Medicare part D already regulates drug prices.  Except it regulates them the wrong way by prohibiting the US government, the largest purchaser of drugs in the world, from using that purchasing power to negotiate a cheaper rate.   By law, they pay market prices.

Thanks Bush.  And Obama, for doing Jack fark to fix it.


the big business owned CONgress shut obama down.
 
2019-04-13 10:18:46 AM  

Northern: eurotrader: vpb: It is strange that people believe that a single payer system would be unaffordable.  It would be less than we are spending now.

Even the koch brothers study showed the US would save  around a trillion a year with universal coverage. The US spends around 3.5 trillion a year already on health care.

This.  Besides the massive waste in paying share holders profits, there are likely more than 1 million jobs at stake in records, billing, debt collections, and benefits "coordination".


stock owner is more accurate than share holder.
 
2019-04-13 03:58:58 PM  

rga184: Fishbulb30w: Gubbo: Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.

Yeah but if she had something really minor it might have been 2 months on a waiting list.

/Evil of socialism

That's what i thought too when I went to the ER with a toothache.
It was a Sunday an I couldn't get a hold of my dentist so I went to the ER for some antibiotics because may face was pretty swollen.
Waited about 20 minutes until a doctor came in and he asked me a few questions and wrote something down in a chart and then left. A few minutes later a nurse came into the room and said "come on were taking you to get a CAT scan" so now I start to panic and am asking her WTF is wrong with me that I need a CAT scan? and she's like "probably nothing but the doctor just wants to make sure it's only a toothache."
So I have the scan and like 30 minutes later the nurse was yup just a tootheache we're going to give you some antibiotics by IV and then we'll let you go.
Total time there, a little over 2 hours.
There's an A&W across the street from the hospital and I got a Teenbuger and fries.
Cost $10.
Hospital $0

Your doctor wanted to make sure there was no abscess cavity that needed draining, or your infection hadn't spread.  Can go down retropharyngeal space and reach the mediastinum.  That's nice big surgery and ICU stay.  Good doc.

https://www.cda-adc.ca/jcda/vol-67/iss​ue-6/324.html


The next morning I went to see my dentist and she quite firmly told me to go see a dental surgeon right away. She gave me the name of one and repeated "NOW! not later, not tomorrow, right now!"

I go see the guy and next thing I know I'm flat on a table being gassed. He drained the abscess and pulled the tooth.
When I left a few hours later I stopped at a Tim Horton's for some chicken soup.
For some reason whenever I have an dental emergency I get really hungry. It's like I'm afraid I won't be able to eat anymore or something.
 
2019-04-13 09:26:52 PM  

Linux_Yes: Rent Party: Fishbulb30w: Gubbo: Nexzus: Circusdog320: My mom fell. Fractured her sacrum (painful but not overly serious). Spent one week in the hosptial. $61,000.00

Jeez. My broke-as-shiat mom found a lump, got the mammogram, mastectomy and started chemo treatments all within 2 weeks at a total cost of some gas and parking for myself to drive her around.

/Caveat, Canadian.
//Y'all need to fix your shiat.

Yeah but if she had something really minor it might have been 2 months on a waiting list.

/Evil of socialism

That's what i thought too when I went to the ER with a toothache.
It was a Sunday an I couldn't get a hold of my dentist so I went to the ER for some antibiotics because may face was pretty swollen.
Waited about 20 minutes until a doctor came in and he asked me a few questions and wrote something down in a chart and then left. A few minutes later a nurse came into the room and said "come on were taking you to get a CAT scan" so now I start to panic and am asking her WTF is wrong with me that I need a CAT scan? and she's like "probably nothing but the doctor just wants to make sure it's only a toothache."
So I have the scan and like 30 minutes later the nurse was yup just a tootheache we're going to give you some antibiotics by IV and then we'll let you go.
Total time there, a little over 2 hours.
There's an A&W across the street from the hospital and I got a Teenbuger and fries.
Cost $10.
Hospital $0

I was fishing once and did a "chuck and forget to duck" and hooked a nymph in the back of my ear.   My wife was out of town, so rather than fark myself up even more by trying to push the hook through the ear I went to the e-room.     I met with a PA, who clipped the barb off, pushed it through and patched it up with a bit of ointment and a band-aid.  Total time in and out, half an hour.

Bill:  $1800.

and the hospital administrators/stock owners lived happily ever after.


It was at that time that I learned that just to walk into an emergency room was going to cost you at least $800.   The extra thousand for the band aid and the ointment was because it was a "surgical procedure."   I asked the insurance lady when they started to let physicians assistants perform surgery.

At which point it got recoded to some other thousand dollar procedure.
 
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