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(The New York Times)   Ladies and Gentleman, I'd like to present our new global Brownshirts...(checks notes)....no farking way...the Pinkertons?   (nytimes.com) divider line
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2019-04-12 10:26:08 AM  
Well that was a very comforting read.
 
2019-04-12 10:45:38 AM  

naughtyrev: Well that was a very comforting read.


Or "How rich assholes are using the descendants of violent union busters to escape the consequences of decades of corporate and financial malfeasance".
 
2019-04-12 10:53:55 AM  
Hey, when the only tool you are is a Pinkerton, every problem looks like an ethnic cleansing.
 
2019-04-12 10:54:17 AM  
Feudalism 2.0

The aristocracy (the rich) live in castles (gated communities) protected by knights (pinkertons) will serfs (us) struggle to survive. Only thing left is for some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at Trump.
 
2019-04-12 10:56:25 AM  
What this story also tells me is that some of them may have sprouted a tiny bit of self-awareness to realize that the longer this goes on, the uglier it's going to get, but enough to correct their actions.

These are people who have broken the country because having everything is not enough. Rather than do something about it, they're just going to try to hide from the inevitable consequences of their greed.
 
2019-04-12 10:57:37 AM  
Sure New Pinkertons.  Why not?  Everything's a reboot.  Expecting some pretty decent crossovers, though, what with CBP: The Immigration Defense Team out for release this summer and the anticipated Muslim Wars due for release early 2020.

Still.  Not expecting too much.  D.C. universe sucks.
 
2019-04-12 10:59:19 AM  
I think I'd rather be shot by the Pinkertons than by Erik Prince's private mercenary army, given the choice.  But either one would open fire on a crowd of unarmed civilians, if you paid them enough.  Hell, some of them will do it for kicks.
 
2019-04-12 11:00:36 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: Sure New Pinkertons.  Why not?  Everything's a reboot.  Expecting some pretty decent crossovers, though, what with CBP: The Immigration Defense Team out for release this summer and the anticipated Muslim Wars due for release early 2020.

Still.  Not expecting too much.  D.C. universe sucks.


Not new Pinkertons - this is the same uninterrupted bunch of baby-killers as back in the 1800s, just with deadlier weapons.
 
2019-04-12 11:03:14 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I think I'd rather be shot by the Pinkertons than by Erik Prince's private mercenary army, given the choice.


Why???  You got a bunch of Irish-American ancestors and have a fetish to die like great-great-great-uncle Sean to show familial solidarity or something?  The only thing that differentiates the Pinkertons from Erik Prince's bunch is the Pinkertons have more American blood on their hands.
 
2019-04-12 11:22:28 AM  

phalamir: Why???


Tradition.  The Pinkertons have a long and storied history of oppressing American citizens for their corporate overlords.  Their treatment of striking workers would make Reagan blush.
 
2019-04-12 11:24:01 AM  

phalamir: Not new Pinkertons - this is the same uninterrupted bunch of baby-killers as back in the 1800s, just with deadlier weapons.


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Stepping on my jokes, kid!
 
2019-04-12 11:24:20 AM  
 
2019-04-12 11:24:28 AM  
It's funny that rich people think these private militias are going to save them in the apocalypse. Right now they have bills to pay and families to support financially. In an apocalyptic scenario, your money will be worthless. You won't have anything of value to offer that they can't just take themselves.

They won't care about you. They may care about the stocked compound you created but they may just kill you and take it. You're just an ex-billionaire that probably doesn't even know how to change a car tire or how to put gas in the car.

Unless you have some very specialized skill other than avoiding taxes and using law loopholes which would be completely useless skills in the apocalypse, you're worthless and I can think of no reason to keep you around. You're nothing more than a drain on resources.
 
2019-04-12 11:25:03 AM  
Reminder that they are suing Rockstar Games for making them the bad guys in Red Dead 2
 
2019-04-12 11:25:46 AM  
smells like trouble

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2019-04-12 11:28:07 AM  

Cheron: Feudalism 2.0

The aristocracy (the rich) live in castles (gated communities) protected by knights (pinkertons) will serfs (us) struggle to survive. Only thing left is for some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at Trump.


Which will last about 20 minutes until the Pinkertons realize that the rich git at the top has a bunch of useful and valuable stuff and no real value or skills.

I really fail to understand this idea that our corporate overlords seem to have that when the SHTF that somehow a bunch of 1s and 0s in a non-functioning computer data that *was* their money will somehow protect them from a bunch of amoral thugs armed to the teeth.
 
2019-04-12 11:29:30 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Cheron: Feudalism 2.0

The aristocracy (the rich) live in castles (gated communities) protected by knights (pinkertons) will serfs (us) struggle to survive. Only thing left is for some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at Trump.

Which will last about 20 minutes until the Pinkertons realize that the rich git at the top has a bunch of useful and valuable stuff and no real value or skills.

I really fail to understand this idea that our corporate overlords seem to have that when the SHTF that somehow a bunch of 1s and 0s in a non-functioning computer data that *was* their money will somehow protect them from a bunch of amoral thugs armed to the teeth.


You would think the French and russian lessons would sink in. Nope, apparently not
 
2019-04-12 11:29:59 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Tradition.  The Pinkertons have a long and storied history of oppressing American citizens for their corporate overlords.


Yep, those farkers wouldn't leave me and my buddies alone ever since that incident in Blackwater.

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2019-04-12 11:32:32 AM  
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2019-04-12 11:32:35 AM  
Good read is good.

Well, yeah.

Basically the continued shift into an increasingly wealth stratified society with increasingly powerful global entities and increased "storm of the century" type events mean that privatized security is coming back in a big way.

Hell, Prince tried to sell Trump on the zany notion of privatizing the fight in Afghanistan recently, FFS.

They are relic of a bygone past.

They are, sadly, our future.

So there's that.
 
2019-04-12 11:33:59 AM  

Cheron: Feudalism 2.0

The aristocracy (the rich) live in castles (gated communities) protected by knights (pinkertons) will serfs (us) struggle to survive. Only thing left is for some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at Trump.


I've been convinced for awhile that this is the end game. The 14th century plague wiped out much of the feudalism from that time, unleashing the Renaissance, Reformation, Enlightenment, and Democracy on Europe. The old money wealthy have been trying to put that genie back in the bottle ever since, and they're coming precariously close to it now.
 
2019-04-12 11:34:53 AM  
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Not this shait again!
 
2019-04-12 11:35:28 AM  
Hmm we are getting to be more and more cyberpunk as time goes on, we have an up and coming "Militech" in the works here.
 
2019-04-12 11:36:53 AM  
Meh.

That article was supposed to be comfort feud for the uber rich.  If society collapses as they hypothesize there will be nowhere and nobody that can protect them.

The only real solution is to make sure enough of the world shares our resources that there's no collapse in the first place.

That the rich don't get this is another example of how generational inbreeding among the wealthy hurts, rather than helps their social class.
 
2019-04-12 11:37:11 AM  

abhorrent1: It's funny that rich people think these private militias are going to save them in the apocalypse. Right now they have bills to pay and families to support financially. In an apocalyptic scenario, your money will be worthless. You won't have anything of value to offer that they can't just take themselves.

They won't care about you. They may care about the stocked compound you created but they may just kill you and take it. You're just an ex-billionaire that probably doesn't even know how to change a car tire or how to put gas in the car.

Unless you have some very specialized skill other than avoiding taxes and using law loopholes which would be completely useless skills in the apocalypse, you're worthless and I can think of no reason to keep you around. You're nothing more than a drain on resources.


Amongst many other salutary ideas, they're considering making their bunker guards wear disciplinary* collars, farking off to Mars, and uploading themselves to digital Heaven. Helping fix the farking mess they've been riding high on notably absent.

*Blowing their heads off for giving El Jefe the side-eye is a kind of discipline.
 
2019-04-12 11:38:16 AM  
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Cocksuckers.
 
2019-04-12 11:39:14 AM  
Good read is good.

Well, yeah.

Basically the continued shift into an increasingly wealth stratified society with increasingly powerful global entities and increased "storm of the century" type events mean that privatized security is coming back in a big way.

Hell, Prince tried to sell Trump on the zany notion of privatizing the fight in Afghanistan recently, FFS.

They are not relics of a bygone past.

They are, sadly, our future.

So there's that.
 
2019-04-12 11:40:16 AM  
Pinkertons were always assholes.
 
2019-04-12 11:41:14 AM  
"When the SHTF, you're going to do whatever you need to in order to survive. In order to feed your family. We will be there to stop you."
-The Pinkertons.
 
2019-04-12 11:42:52 AM  

SurfaceTension: Cheron: Feudalism 2.0

The aristocracy (the rich) live in castles (gated communities) protected by knights (pinkertons) will serfs (us) struggle to survive. Only thing left is for some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at Trump.

I've been convinced for awhile that this is the end game. The 14th century plague wiped out much of the feudalism from that time, unleashing the Renaissance, Reformation, Enlightenment, and Democracy on Europe. The old money wealthy have been trying to put that genie back in the bottle ever since, and they're coming precariously close to it now.


They don't want to put the genie back in the bottle per se. That genie made them a lot of money compared to straight feudalism. And right there is their catch 22. Functional modern society is what made them their money but it also threatens, now, to demand that they contribute to its maintenance. So they want their collapse so they can finally move to the last stage and become overlords and barons, but they don't want things to collapse because then the instability will destroy their ability to make money and continue fueling their power. Besides, a lightly moderated anarchy is just as likely as a popular uprising to eat them just like they would like to eat the poor. So they're basically pacing around, wearing a hole in the carpet going back and forth between actually doing something to prop up and save capitalism and on the opposite end trying to extract as much wealth before the system seizes up and breaks.
 
2019-04-12 11:43:52 AM  
Heh. The Pinkertons will know where all your stuff is, you silly rich folks. When the stuff hits the fan, protecting your supplies is the opposite of what they will be doing.

Sleep well!
 
2019-04-12 11:45:06 AM  

Cheron: Feudalism 2.0

The aristocracy (the rich) live in castles (gated communities) protected by knights (pinkertons) will serfs (us) struggle to survive. Only thing left is for some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at Trump.



It doesn't have to be this way.
Immanuel Wallerstein: The Global Systemic Crisis and the Struggle for a Post-Capitalist World
Youtube riK3dlgusrI
 
2019-04-12 11:47:04 AM  
But what if Blackwater under bids them?
 
2019-04-12 11:47:34 AM  
First thing that came to mind: Lone Star.

Second thing that came to mind: farking re-runs, man.

You can watch a whole video of these folks here (https://vimeo.com/163550025).
 
2019-04-12 11:50:07 AM  
Rich people profiting from actively denying global warming are going to be hiring personal armies to defend themselves from the average person (i.e., killing them) whose world has been destroyed by their very behavior.    Did I summarize that correctly?
 
2019-04-12 11:50:46 AM  
"And if and when desperate people discovered that cache of water and food," he continued, it was the Pinkertons' job to protect it at whatever cost.

Well, yes. Notice the bolded portion. That's not the word "you". Convincing a billionaire to build an uber-compound capable of self-sustenance for years while promising to protect it is win-win for them. They're going to be among those desperate people.

Ultimately, if it's a full-on Mad Max collapse, the rich will have to learn skills fast, before their militant flunkies realize they don't need them.  However, if there's only a partial collapse, like a riot or a civil war, those militant flunkies might not rebel, if they think order will be restored. So since fixing the problem isn't an option, the rich just have to make sure it doesn't all go to hell at the same time, just in waves of chaos followed by brutal oppression disguised as 'restoring order'.
 
2019-04-12 11:55:12 AM  
Wow these idiots again. They still have Gatling guns for mowing down families?

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With a rifle that doesn't exist. How'd they put an AK47 front/stock on a VZ58 rifle? Doesn't anyone care about details!

Funny thing about the trainers in the article using commie AKs to protect rich people. The irony there.
 
2019-04-12 11:56:02 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Reminder that they are suing Rockstar Games for making them the bad guys in Red Dead 2


Apparently their lawyers are unfamiliar with the doctrine of the "libel-proof plaintiff."
 
2019-04-12 11:57:06 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Cheron: Feudalism 2.0

The aristocracy (the rich) live in castles (gated communities) protected by knights (pinkertons) will serfs (us) struggle to survive. Only thing left is for some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at Trump.

Which will last about 20 minutes until the Pinkertons realize that the rich git at the top has a bunch of useful and valuable stuff and no real value or skills.

I really fail to understand this idea that our corporate overlords seem to have that when the SHTF that somehow a bunch of 1s and 0s in a non-functioning computer data that *was* their money will somehow protect them from a bunch of amoral thugs armed to the teeth.


Because history.  We have millennia of evidence that you pay the guards and the guards protect you, even if they could skewer you and take the money. Generally, most people are not particularly interested in much more than food to eat and a roof over their heads.  If you provide that, people will generally let you run things, even if they are objectively able to end you, because that means they don't have to worry about higher-level crap.  Bought thugs tend to remain bought thugs as long as they get their low-level Maslow needs met.  Humans are hierarchical primates, not loner psychopaths - Mad Max dystopias are not documentaries.  Actual societal breakdowns ramp up violence, but remarkably little slaughter of elites by their own head-thumpers goes on.  Generally, an elite with head-thumping tendencies will often be the guy who comes out on top, but he is almost always an elite before the breakdown, not some rando with a sword who cut down all those above him.  The exceptions tend to get the news because they are such oddballs that writers mention them like the National Enquirer mentions Batboy.
 
2019-04-12 11:59:23 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: Heh. The Pinkertons will know where all your stuff is, you silly rich folks. When the stuff hits the fan, protecting your supplies is the opposite of what they will be doing.

Sleep well!


Not true. They will be protecting the supplies. They just won't be protecting you.
 
2019-04-12 12:00:35 PM  

phalamir: Glockenspiel Hero: Cheron: Feudalism 2.0

The aristocracy (the rich) live in castles (gated communities) protected by knights (pinkertons) will serfs (us) struggle to survive. Only thing left is for some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at Trump.

Which will last about 20 minutes until the Pinkertons realize that the rich git at the top has a bunch of useful and valuable stuff and no real value or skills.

I really fail to understand this idea that our corporate overlords seem to have that when the SHTF that somehow a bunch of 1s and 0s in a non-functioning computer data that *was* their money will somehow protect them from a bunch of amoral thugs armed to the teeth.

Because history.  We have millennia of evidence that you pay the guards and the guards protect you, even if they could skewer you and take the money. Generally, most people are not particularly interested in much more than food to eat and a roof over their heads.  If you provide that, people will generally let you run things, even if they are objectively able to end you, because that means they don't have to worry about higher-level crap.  Bought thugs tend to remain bought thugs as long as they get their low-level Maslow needs met.  Humans are hierarchical primates, not loner psychopaths - Mad Max dystopias are not documentaries.  Actual societal breakdowns ramp up violence, but remarkably little slaughter of elites by their own head-thumpers goes on.  Generally, an elite with head-thumping tendencies will often be the guy who comes out on top, but he is almost always an elite before the breakdown, not some rando with a sword who cut down all those above him.  The exceptions tend to get the news because they are such oddballs that writers mention them like the National Enquirer mentions Batboy.


Except

Hattusa
Egypt, second interregnum
Western Roman Empire
Egypt middle ages
Russia
France
China, pick one

I have more
 
2019-04-12 12:04:43 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Wow these idiots again. They still have Gatling guns for mowing down families?

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With a rifle that doesn't exist. How'd they put an AK47 front/stock on a VZ58 rifle? Doesn't anyone care about details!

Funny thing about the trainers in the article using commie AKs to protect rich people. The irony there.


See, that's why guitars are more fun than guns. No one ever said, "how could you put a Telecaster neck on a Les Paul body?"
 
2019-04-12 12:09:36 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Wow these idiots again. They still have Gatling guns for mowing down families?

Psylence: [ih1.redbubble.net image 750x1000]

With a rifle that doesn't exist. How'd they put an AK47 front/stock on a VZ58 rifle? Doesn't anyone care about details!

Funny thing about the trainers in the article using commie AKs to protect rich people. The irony there.


I get what you're saying here, but the use of AKs probably has more to do with some quirk in Mexican firearm import laws than anything else.
 
2019-04-12 12:13:54 PM  

naughtyrev: Well that was a very comforting read.


Don't be alarmed based off that article. The Pinkertons and other agencies that tout themselves as risk management professionals have marketing firms that focus on worst-case scenarios. They are right though. One of my particular talents is risk management and policy analysis. It's what made me stand out int he hiring process when I went law enforcement. Unfortunately, local, state and federal law enforcement agencies aren't very good at proactive measures that mitigate risk to the public. There will always be a need for agencies like The Pinkertons because we just can't do it. 

Lets say that a terrorist cell takes out downtown KC. We aren't going to be responding to home invasion calls, traffic accidents, etc. Not that we don't want to but those take a much lower priority. Those with money and resources are going to need private security. You can bet that every financial institution with large deposits of cash on hand already have contracts in place with private security to dispatch teams to their sites in the event of a disaster.

It's very lucrative and the more I sit here the more I wonder why I don't quit my job and join up in the private sector.
 
2019-04-12 12:15:30 PM  
Open up a history book sometime, subby. You'll find that the Pinkertons are pretty much always on the side of the bad guys.
 
2019-04-12 12:15:40 PM  
Are they still pissy about how they were portrayed in Red Dead Redemption 2?
 
2019-04-12 12:19:18 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: commie AKs


I was very disappointed to discover while at the range, that I am a much better shot with a friends AK than I am with my own M1A. The sight on the AK just farkin' works.
 
2019-04-12 12:25:11 PM  
If shiat ever does hit the fan the preppers who have been AWing on social media will be the first ones to get jacked for their cache of food and weapons. I'm not saying that you shouldn't prepare, just don't be Captain Obvious about it.

/I'll be in my panic room bunk
 
2019-04-12 12:25:20 PM  
How many of these Pinkertons are working inside ICE, DHS, and other government agencies right now?
 
2019-04-12 12:25:48 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Wow these idiots again. They still have Gatling guns for mowing down families?

Psylence: [ih1.redbubble.net image 750x1000]

With a rifle that doesn't exist. How'd they put an AK47 front/stock on a VZ58 rifle? Doesn't anyone care about details!

Funny thing about the trainers in the article using commie AKs to protect rich people. The irony there.


It actually looks like a bastardized milled AK-47 receiver without the safety lever or the cutout in the top cover for said safety lever. But yea, the irony is delish. The rich don't care enough about their militias to arm them properly, they still have to find a way to pinch a penny.
 
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