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2019-04-11 01:10:11 PM  
That system works fine in many other countries.

They have the numbers and they have to do them to check anyway. It would remove a lot of worry from people.

Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?
 
2019-04-11 01:13:17 PM  

EvilEgg: That system works fine in many other countries.

They have the numbers and they have to do them to check anyway. It would remove a lot of worry from people.

Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?


Because H&R Block and Turbo Tax have spent a ton of money lobbying to fight making people's lives easier
 
2019-04-11 01:13:31 PM  
The people who would lose out on this are the wealthy with their many loopholes.  Of course they're against it.
 
2019-04-11 01:13:58 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: EvilEgg: That system works fine in many other countries.

They have the numbers and they have to do them to check anyway. It would remove a lot of worry from people.

Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?

Because H&R Block and Turbo Tax have spent a ton of money lobbying to fight making people's lives easier


Don't forget Grover Norquist.
 
2019-04-11 01:15:36 PM  

EvilEgg: That system works fine in many other countries.

They have the numbers and they have to do them to check anyway. It would remove a lot of worry from people.

Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?


Then how exactly are the rich going to game the system in their favor?
 
2019-04-11 01:23:58 PM  

ChimpNipples: EvilEgg: That system works fine in many other countries.

They have the numbers and they have to do them to check anyway. It would remove a lot of worry from people.

Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?

Then how exactly are the rich going to game the system in their favor?


They'll still be able to hire accountants and tax lawyers to shed any tax burdens. The people against this are the tax preparer corporations who really shouldn't need to exist. Those bastards should go get legitimate work.
 
2019-04-11 01:27:13 PM  

dr_blasto: ChimpNipples: EvilEgg: That system works fine in many other countries.

They have the numbers and they have to do them to check anyway. It would remove a lot of worry from people.

Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?

Then how exactly are the rich going to game the system in their favor?

They'll still be able to hire accountants and tax lawyers to shed any tax burdens. The people against this are the tax preparer corporations who really shouldn't need to exist. Those bastards should go get legitimate work.


"[E]liminating the middleman is never as simple as it sounds. ... 'Bout 50% of the human race is middlemen, and they don't take kindly to being eliminated." - Capt Reynolds, Ret.
 
2019-04-11 01:34:15 PM  

Bootleg: dr_blasto: ChimpNipples: EvilEgg: That system works fine in many other countries.

They have the numbers and they have to do them to check anyway. It would remove a lot of worry from people.

Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?

Then how exactly are the rich going to game the system in their favor?

They'll still be able to hire accountants and tax lawyers to shed any tax burdens. The people against this are the tax preparer corporations who really shouldn't need to exist. Those bastards should go get legitimate work.

"[E]liminating the middleman is never as simple as it sounds. ... 'Bout 50% of the human race is middlemen, and they don't take kindly to being eliminated." - Capt Reynolds, Ret.


"Oh, I'm going to the special Hell." - CPT Reynolds.
 
2019-04-11 01:41:14 PM  
The IRS does do your taxes for you. That's how they know when you make a typo entering your W-2 information, or make a subtraction error if you're old-school pencil-and-papering it. For tons of people, the 1040 is just a typing or math test.

This is neither controversial nor secret. If it weren't for stuff the IRS doesn't know about automatically, like your charitable donations and your side hustle and whether you had a baby or got divorced or whatnot, there'd already be no tax filing at all.

If this is the same Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who is the crazy radical satanic Trotskyite illiterate bartender from the most socialist level of Hell I've been reading about, she needs to up her game, because this is a pretty farking moderate-to-technocratic position to be taking.
 
2019-04-11 01:44:22 PM  

EvilEgg: That system works fine in many other countries.

They have the numbers and they have to do them to check anyway. It would remove a lot of worry from people.

Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?


Could be said about so many things that America refuses to do
 
2019-04-11 01:44:39 PM  

EvilEgg: Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?


Some people are of the opinion that it *should* be aggravating to file your taxes, because we shouldn't be paying so much in taxes, and that making it easy to file will just lead to more taxes.  You know, the types that are for government small enough to fit inside women's bodies.
 
2019-04-11 01:45:39 PM  

semiotix: The IRS does do your taxes for you. That's how they know when you make a typo entering your W-2 information, or make a subtraction error if you're old-school pencil-and-papering it. For tons of people, the 1040 is just a typing or math test.

This is neither controversial nor secret. If it weren't for stuff the IRS doesn't know about automatically, like your charitable donations and your side hustle and whether you had a baby or got divorced or whatnot, there'd already be no tax filing at all.

If this is the same Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who is the crazy radical satanic Trotskyite illiterate bartender from the most socialist level of Hell I've been reading about, she needs to up her game, because this is a pretty farking moderate-to-technocratic position to be taking.


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2019-04-11 01:48:44 PM  

enry: The people who would lose out on this are the wealthy with their many loopholes.  Of course they're against it.


The way the system works in socialist paradises/hellholes (Delete as applicable) like the UK is that by default for everyone with a typical 9-5 job and a steady paycheque does not have to think about their tax. Their employer works out their income tax and pays that to HMRC (the UK IRS) so Joe Sixpack employee gets a paycheque where they get to keep every penny. If you move jobs during the year or something you will get a refund automatically in the post or, rarer, a notice that you underpaid. (Refunds are far more common because employers will assume you earned the same throughout the year even if you may have had a couple of months with no income, so they generally tax you too much and you then get a refund automatically from HMRC). Brits watch episodes of shows like The Simpsons where Homer has to file his taxes and wonder why on earth he has to do that.

You can choose to file your own taxes and take advantage of 'loopholes' if you want. Typically if you have a side business, income from rental property or shares, a huge inheritance etc you can choose to fill out a tax return and exploit many methods of reducing tax.

So it's actually a lot like the NHS. By default everyone has NHS cover, but you can choose private insurance or private treatment if you want.

And like the NHS it is the established industry that lobbies to prevent their profitable business being taken away.
 
2019-04-11 01:48:59 PM  
The thing is, the IRS will do your taxes for you. If you aren't going to itemize then just send them a blank form 1040, 1040ez, or whatever along with supporting documents (W-2, 1099 etc) and your taxes will be filed appropriately. And your refund or bill will be mailed to you in a timely manner.
 
2019-04-11 01:50:21 PM  

NightSteel: Some people are of the opinion that it *should* be aggravating to file your taxes, because we shouldn't be paying so much in taxes,


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Fortunately, this one's dead now.
 
2019-04-11 01:52:00 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: You can choose to file your own taxes and take advantage of 'loopholes' if you want. Typically if you have a side business, income from rental property or shares, a huge inheritance etc you can choose to fill out a tax return and exploit many methods of reducing tax.


Probably more accurate to say that if you have any significant sources of income like those then you should file a tax return.....
 
2019-04-11 01:56:32 PM  
I don't trust them.
 
2019-04-11 01:58:51 PM  
if you are spending "hours every year" preparing your taxes, then you do not have "straight forward taxes".

if we can't rely on the government to not put kids in cages, how the fark are we supposed to rely on the government only taking their share?

I would be all for it as it would crsuh HR Block, Intuit and turbo...but no way in hell do I have that lvl of faith in the IRS.
 
2019-04-11 02:00:15 PM  
LOL she's so stupid!  As if there's some MAGICAL computer that can do math.  And who's going to pay for that anyway, huh?  Huh?  Huh!?
 
2019-04-11 02:13:09 PM  

brizzle365: if you are spending "hours every year" preparing your taxes, then you do not have "straight forward taxes".

if we can't rely on the government to not put kids in cages, how the fark are we supposed to rely on the government only taking their share?

I would be all for it as it would crsuh HR Block, Intuit and turbo...but no way in hell do I have that lvl of faith in the IRS.


A common misconception about these proposals. None of these proposals force you to file your taxes the way the IRS calculates them, in fact many high wealth individuals would still need to file taxes themselves or have an accountant/3rd party provider do their taxes. The process is fairly simple, tax season comes, the IRS mails you a few page letter/tax form (or emails or whatever) with details of your income, your filing status, your dependants, deductions, credits, etc. You then review it, if it's correct you sign it and send it back, if its incorrect you update what's wrong and send it back OR you completely ignore it and file your own taxes just like we've all done to date. They calculate it wrong after you updated something and sent it back? No problem file an amended return.

Worst case scenario you are literally back where you are today by having an accountant, 3rd party or manually doing your taxes yourself. However for probably 65-70% of americans with fairly simple returns (especially now that the standard deduction doubled and SALT was capped) it becomes a pretty simple review, sign and return process.
 
2019-04-11 02:18:16 PM  

brizzle365: if you are spending "hours every year" preparing your taxes, then you do not have "straight forward taxes".

if we can't rely on the government to not put kids in cages, how the fark are we supposed to rely on the government only taking their share?

I would be all for it as it would crsuh HR Block, Intuit and turbo...but no way in hell do I have that lvl of faith in the IRS.


The point is that you could check their math, then file an amended copy if you choose/want to claim some more complicated deductions.
 
2019-04-11 02:29:38 PM  
She's right.  If you disagree, you're a bad person and you should feel bad.
 
2019-04-11 02:29:57 PM  

brizzle365: if you are spending "hours every year" preparing your taxes, then you do not have "straight forward taxes".

if we can't rely on the government to not put kids in cages, how the fark are we supposed to rely on the government only taking their share?

I would be all for it as it would crsuh HR Block, Intuit and turbo...but no way in hell do I have that lvl of faith in the IRS.


Nothing quite like destroying any and all faith in government institutions.
 
2019-04-11 02:33:07 PM  

keldaria: Worst case scenario you are literally back where you are today by having an accountant, 3rd party or manually doing your taxes yourself. However for probably 65-70% of americans with fairly simple returns (especially now that the standard deduction doubled and SALT was capped) it becomes a pretty simple review, sign and return process.


90%
 
2019-04-11 02:39:57 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: NightSteel: Some people are of the opinion that it *should* be aggravating to file your taxes, because we shouldn't be paying so much in taxes,

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Fortunately, this one's dead now.


Too late.
 
2019-04-11 02:39:59 PM  
I don't have any faith in the government to do things because of all the things they do that liberals hate that I also support.

I'm arguing in good faith.
 
2019-04-11 02:41:35 PM  

EvilEgg: Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?


A lot of people generally don't trust the government and see taxation as the most personal and direct way the government screws them over.  This would come across as another way for the government to reach directly into their pocket.
 
2019-04-11 02:45:36 PM  

BMFPitt: keldaria: Worst case scenario you are literally back where you are today by having an accountant, 3rd party or manually doing your taxes yourself. However for probably 65-70% of americans with fairly simple returns (especially now that the standard deduction doubled and SALT was capped) it becomes a pretty simple review, sign and return process.

90%


Taking the standard deduction does not mean you won't need to add or adjust other things that the IRS system may not take into account. For example, I own a rental property so I have additional income to claim, depreciation to claim and expenses to claim (taxes, insurance, interest, etc). Others may have investment income to claim or tax credits like dependent care or energy efficiency upgrades to claim. None of this impacts the complexity involved if you have a llc or s Corp with that income flowing onto your return along with its own quirks like section 179 depreciation or the new qualified business tax credits.

Taking the standard deduction does not necessarily mean your taxes can be handled by the trained monkeys at H&R Block.
 
2019-04-11 02:47:37 PM  
Done in the 1st 2 posts (2 boobies, as it were).
 
2019-04-11 02:50:06 PM  
ITT: A number of people who don't quite grasp the concept that the IRS already does their taxes, already decides how much they want to take, and already decides if you're on the up and up.

The only difference this proposal would make, aside from putting Intuit out of business, is that managing your taxes would be way easier.
 
2019-04-11 02:51:39 PM  

dr_blasto: Those bastards should go get legitimate work.


Like investment bankers and short sellers.
 
2019-04-11 02:53:39 PM  

GoldSpider: EvilEgg: Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?

A lot of people generally don't trust the government and see taxation as the most personal and direct way the government screws them over.  This would come across as another way for the government to reach directly into their pocket.


As opposed to the deductions which already come out of their paychecks - you know, the part which ACTUALLY settles their debt to the IRS. Not the part where IRS compares what you thought you owed (your W-4) to what you actually paid (your tax return), as happens now; or the IRS telling you "You owed X. You paid Y. Anything else we need to know?" (AOC's proposal, an idea which has been around since probably before she was in middle school).

People are (still) dumb.

// even accepting that this won't become law, what on earth compels people to be OK with being forced to pay someone to complete a simple return?
// "$50 to file a return it takes zero brainpower and 15 minutes to complete? SIGN ME THE FARK UP!"
 
TWX
2019-04-11 03:08:53 PM  

enry: The people who would lose out on this are the wealthy with their many loopholes.  Of course they're against it.


Last I checked, the idea was that those that have simple tax filings would be affected, and anyone would be free to independently calculate and submit their tax filings anyway.

This was for people that don't have nonretirement-investments, Roth IRAs, income from real property, or private businesses. Basically most people. IRS calculates their tax burden based on employer and bank provided information, and if they agree, they accept.

I could've done that for the first decade of my working life easy. If my wife and I had chosen to file separately I could've kept doing that another four years or so until the joint purchase of real estate would've made it more difficult to file separately.
 
2019-04-11 03:18:28 PM  
What we have now: You spend time, effort, and possibly money doing your taxes. The IRS takes a look at what you sent them, and either says, "Yeah, looks good" or "Nope, you f*cked this part up; fix it."

What we could have: The IRS sends you what they think your taxes are. You take a look at what they sent you and either say, "Yeah, looks good" or "Nope, you f*cked this part up; fix it."

The advantage to the first option is...well, there really isn't one. The advantage to the second one is that most people will get to spend less than 5 minutes dealing with their taxes and the IRS will have to spend less time and money processing tax returns.
 
2019-04-11 03:30:05 PM  

keldaria: BMFPitt: keldaria: Worst case scenario you are literally back where you are today by having an accountant, 3rd party or manually doing your taxes yourself. However for probably 65-70% of americans with fairly simple returns (especially now that the standard deduction doubled and SALT was capped) it becomes a pretty simple review, sign and return process.

90%

Taking the standard deduction does not mean you won't need to add or adjust other things that the IRS system may not take into account. For example, I own a rental property so I have additional income to claim, depreciation to claim and expenses to claim (taxes, insurance, interest, etc). Others may have investment income to claim or tax credits like dependent care or energy efficiency upgrades to claim. None of this impacts the complexity involved if you have a llc or s Corp with that income flowing onto your return along with its own quirks like section 179 depreciation or the new qualified business tax credits.

Taking the standard deduction does not necessarily mean your taxes can be handled by the trained monkeys at H&R Block.


All those tax words make you sound like a rich 1% to most of Fark. Prepare to be flamed for being successful.
 
2019-04-11 03:30:25 PM  
Dr Dreidel:
// even accepting that this won't become law, what on earth compels people to be OK with being forced to pay someone to complete a simple return?
// "$50 to file a return it takes zero brainpower and 15 minutes to complete? SIGN ME THE FARK UP!"


That's not exactly the case.  The companies provide a free efile service now for people below an income threshold, though you do pay to efile in most states(small fee).

My understanding is that this law specifically says is that the IRS can't release its own software to do this.  It means you're forced to use the 3rd party software to efile your taxes for free, if you qualify.

Of course, you can still print out the forms and mail them without any software.
 
2019-04-11 03:37:11 PM  
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2019-04-11 03:43:37 PM  

brizzle365: if you are spending "hours every year" preparing your taxes, then you do not have "straight forward taxes".


Took me an entire day to do mine, and I filed the electronic equivalent of a 1040EZ (single, standard deductions, no itemizing, made about 20k last year.)

Started about 10am. First I have to log into the website to print out my 1099R (retirement income). Because the government thinks it's more secure to make people change their password every 6 months, I had to spend 10 minutes on that. Now to the credit union website for my interest statement. Well, seeing as It's been over 3 months since I logged into that, they suspended my access for "security reasons", and to contact them directly to get it reset. So off to the credit union I go, wait in the lobby for 30 minutes before someone calls my name. Get my password reset to some generic 6 digit number (real secure), and am told I could have just called them on the phone. (Because not logging in recently is some kind of risk, but a phone call to gain access is the height of security.) Over two hours down, but now I can report that 12 bucks in interest I made last year, which the government already knows about BTW.

Back home, I try logging into the free file site I used last year, what do you know, my password there has expired too. After resetting that and waiting 30 minutes for a conformation email, I'm finally logged in and ready to start my return. First up, all the basic info (name, address, SSN etc.) that should be on file from last year, but that would make things too easy. Now on to the 1099R, oh look, an option to import the info from last year. Click that. "Document importing only available with premium membership. For just 29.99 you can enjoy all the befits of premium service..." Ok, I guess you get what you "pay" for, just type that in manually, along with the info for the interest statement too.

Now it's time for the questionnaire. Instead of just asking if I want to itemize or use the standard deduction, you have to sit there for 45 minutes answering a bunch of questions, only for them to come back with "you don't seem to have any deductions to itemize, would you like to use the standard deduction instead?"

Now that over two more hours have passed, I'm finally done. WooHoo, I get a whopping $19 for all my time and effort. Now just download, print, and mail it in. (I have to mail it, because whenever I e-file it gets kicked back for an invalid SSN, to which the IRS has no answer for.) Wait. What's this? Why is there large grey letters across the PDF saying "File copy. Not to be mailed to the IRS"? Well, maybe I have to print it straight off the website. Oh, what's this? "Document printing only available with premium membership. For just 29.99 you can enjoy all the befits of premium service..."

So after about an hour of ranting and swearing about that bullshiat, I go back to the IRS website to find another free file site, set up another account, fill everything out once again (this one actually let me skip the questionnaire and use standard deduction), Print, sign and stick in an envelope to be mailed the next day, because it's now 7pm and the post office is closed.

The IRS already knows how much I made last year, including the lousy $12 in interest, and they know how much taxes I paid. There really should be an easier way to do something so simple.
 
2019-04-11 03:57:01 PM  
I'm convinced she's an elaborate Koch Brothers scheme to make Democrats look stupid.
 
2019-04-11 03:58:41 PM  

Monkey2: The thing is, the IRS will do your taxes for you. If you aren't going to itemize then just send them a blank form 1040, 1040ez, or whatever along with supporting documents (W-2, 1099 etc) and your taxes will be filed appropriately. And your refund or bill will be mailed to you in a timely manner.


They will do it even if you itemize, but you have to do the itemization and provide the reciepts
 
2019-04-11 04:01:14 PM  

bhcompy: Dr Dreidel:
// even accepting that this won't become law, what on earth compels people to be OK with being forced to pay someone to complete a simple return?
// "$50 to file a return it takes zero brainpower and 15 minutes to complete? SIGN ME THE FARK UP!"

That's not exactly the case.  The companies provide a free efile service now for people below an income threshold, though you do pay to efile in most states(small fee).

My understanding is that this law specifically says is that the IRS can't release its own software to do this.  It means you're forced to use the 3rd party software to efile your taxes for free, if you qualify.

It is free for anyone who does not itemize or have complex investment income
 
2019-04-11 04:07:38 PM  

FLMountainMan: I'm convinced she's an elaborate Koch Brothers scheme to make Democrats look stupid.


AOC: *suggests a number of different policy changes that would be good for the country and its citizens in the long run*

You: "HURR, SHE DUM, DURR"
 
2019-04-11 04:08:00 PM  

keldaria: brizzle365: if you are spending "hours every year" preparing your taxes, then you do not have "straight forward taxes".

if we can't rely on the government to not put kids in cages, how the fark are we supposed to rely on the government only taking their share?

I would be all for it as it would crsuh HR Block, Intuit and turbo...but no way in hell do I have that lvl of faith in the IRS.

A common misconception about these proposals. None of these proposals force you to file your taxes the way the IRS calculates them, in fact many high wealth individuals would still need to file taxes themselves or have an accountant/3rd party provider do their taxes. The process is fairly simple, tax season comes, the IRS mails you a few page letter/tax form (or emails or whatever) with details of your income, your filing status, your dependants, deductions, credits, etc. You then review it, if it's correct you sign it and send it back, if its incorrect you update what's wrong and send it back OR you completely ignore it and file your own taxes just like we've all done to date. They calculate it wrong after you updated something and sent it back? No problem file an amended return.

Worst case scenario you are literally back where you are today by having an accountant, 3rd party or manually doing your taxes yourself. However for probably 65-70% of americans with fairly simple returns (especially now that the standard deduction doubled and SALT was capped) it becomes a pretty simple review, sign and return process.


Yep. I am a tax preparer. I am all for this. It won't affect the returns I prepare.

Now this stupid new 1040 they came up with to make it look like they simplified your taxes is annoying as hell having to globe between a half dozen pages for what used to be on one b
 
2019-04-11 04:16:22 PM  

FLMountainMan: I'm convinced she's an elaborate Koch Brothers scheme to make Democrats look stupid.


Just because you don't understand what someone is telling you, that does not automatically mean that they're the stupid one.
 
2019-04-11 04:16:48 PM  

GoldSpider: EvilEgg: Why don't Americans want the government to make their life easier?

A lot of people generally don't trust the government and see taxation as the most personal and direct way the government screws them over.  This would come across as another way for the government to reach directly into their pocket.


If they think that about his proposal they are idiots.

Current:
You prepare your return and submit it. The IRS ties their data to your return and if you are missing anything they issue a proposed assessment and ask you to respond with any additional information.

Proposed:
The IRS reviews their data and issues a proposed assessment and asks you to provide any additional information.
 
2019-04-11 04:23:40 PM  

TWX: enry: The people who would lose out on this are the wealthy with their many loopholes.  Of course they're against it.

Last I checked, the idea was that those that have simple tax filings would be affected, and anyone would be free to independently calculate and submit their tax filings anyway.

This was for people that don't have nonretirement-investments, Roth IRAs, income from real property, or private businesses. Basically most people. IRS calculates their tax burden based on employer and bank provided information, and if they agree, they accept.

I could've done that for the first decade of my working life easy. If my wife and I had chosen to file separately I could've kept doing that another four years or so until the joint purchase of real estate would've made it more difficult to file separately.


Correct, see NPR Planet Money episode 760 "Tax Hero". California implemented a pilot program called Ready Return that did exactly that.
 
2019-04-11 04:23:57 PM  

bhcompy: Dr Dreidel:
// even accepting that this won't become law, what on earth compels people to be OK with being forced to pay someone to complete a simple return?
// "$50 to file a return it takes zero brainpower and 15 minutes to complete? SIGN ME THE FARK UP!"

That's not exactly the case.  The companies provide a free efile service now for people below an income threshold, though you do pay to efile in most states(small fee).

My understanding is that this law specifically says is that the IRS can't release its own software to do this.  It means you're forced to use the 3rd party software to efile your taxes for free, if you qualify.

Of course, you can still print out the forms and mail them without any software.


Don't those "freebies" usually only do Federal for free, but the state'll cost you?

// I remembered paying $50, but that might have been when I had no W-2 and like 4 or 5 1099s
// from 2 states, plus DC
// the bonus of software is that they ask me questions and provide the forms (and sanity checks) required to do it - would IRS be allowed to create a bare-bones version of that, which asked a few questions and then gave me a list of forms to file in my return without filling them in or doing any math?
 
2019-04-11 04:24:17 PM  

ReapTheChaos: brizzle365: if you are spending "hours every year" preparing your taxes, then you do not have "straight forward taxes".

Took me an entire day to do mine, and I filed the electronic equivalent of a 1040EZ (single, standard deductions, no itemizing, made about 20k last year.)

Started about 10am. First I have to log into the website to print out my 1099R (retirement income). Because the government thinks it's more secure to make people change their password every 6 months, I had to spend 10 minutes on that. Now to the credit union website for my interest statement. Well, seeing as It's been over 3 months since I logged into that, they suspended my access for "security reasons", and to contact them directly to get it reset. So off to the credit union I go, wait in the lobby for 30 minutes before someone calls my name. Get my password reset to some generic 6 digit number (real secure), and am told I could have just called them on the phone. (Because not logging in recently is some kind of risk, but a phone call to gain access is the height of security.) Over two hours down, but now I can report that 12 bucks in interest I made last year, which the government already knows about BTW.

Back home, I try logging into the free file site I used last year, what do you know, my password there has expired too. After resetting that and waiting 30 minutes for a conformation email, I'm finally logged in and ready to start my return. First up, all the basic info (name, address, SSN etc.) that should be on file from last year, but that would make things too easy. Now on to the 1099R, oh look, an option to import the info from last year. Click that. "Document importing only available with premium membership. For just 29.99 you can enjoy all the befits of premium service..." Ok, I guess you get what you "pay" for, just type that in manually, along with the info for the interest statement too.

Now it's time for the questionnaire. Instead of just asking if I want to itemize or use the ...


In the UK HMRC (the British IRS) posts me a form each year of my income, tax paid etc. I look at it and file it. That's it. I don't even have to sign it and post it back or anything.

As you say, the IRS already knows all this stuff. It's the politicians who refuse to allow the IRS to do it the British way, because companies lobby them because they want people like you to pay that $29.99 and more.
 
2019-04-11 04:29:07 PM  

Dr Dreidel: As opposed to the deductions which already come out of their paychecks - you know, the part which ACTUALLY settles their debt to the IRS.


I didn't claim it was a reasonable objection.
 
2019-04-11 04:30:23 PM  

ReapTheChaos: brizzle365: if you are spending "hours every year" preparing your taxes, then you do not have "straight forward taxes".

Took me an entire day to do mine, and I filed the electronic equivalent of a 1040EZ (single, standard deductions, no itemizing, made about 20k last year.)

Started about 10am. First I have to log into the website to print out my 1099R (retirement income). Because the government thinks it's more secure to make people change their password every 6 months, I had to spend 10 minutes on that. Now to the credit union website for my interest statement. Well, seeing as It's been over 3 months since I logged into that, they suspended my access for "security reasons", and to contact them directly to get it reset. So off to the credit union I go, wait in the lobby for 30 minutes before someone calls my name. Get my password reset to some generic 6 digit number (real secure), and am told I could have just called them on the phone. (Because not logging in recently is some kind of risk, but a phone call to gain access is the height of security.) Over two hours down, but now I can report that 12 bucks in interest I made last year, which the government already knows about BTW.

Back home, I try logging into the free file site I used last year, what do you know, my password there has expired too. After resetting that and waiting 30 minutes for a conformation email, I'm finally logged in and ready to start my return. First up, all the basic info (name, address, SSN etc.) that should be on file from last year, but that would make things too easy. Now on to the 1099R, oh look, an option to import the info from last year. Click that. "Document importing only available with premium membership. For just 29.99 you can enjoy all the befits of premium service..." Ok, I guess you get what you "pay" for, just type that in manually, along with the info for the interest statement too.

Now it's time for the questionnaire. Instead of just asking if I want to itemize or use the ...


Well, I am not in the same boat as you, but it certainly didn't take me all day to do simple taxes. It took me longer to find last years taxes on my computer than it took to complete the questionnaire and send it out. Some of the issues you describe are unrelated to the gov however, such as your credit union, etc.

Gubbo: brizzle365: if you are spending "hours every year" preparing your taxes, then you do not have "straight forward taxes".

if we can't rely on the government to not put kids in cages, how the fark are we supposed to rely on the government only taking their share?

I would be all for it as it would crsuh HR Block, Intuit and turbo...but no way in hell do I have that lvl of faith in the IRS.

Nothing quite like destroying any and all faith in government institutions.


Nothing like them destroying it themselves through years of mismanagement and lies, right? Or should we forget about all of that and just hope they get it right?
 
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