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(Miami Herald)   It's not quite a corporate death penalty, but Carnival cruise ships could be banned from the United States after the company pissed off a federal judge   (miamiherald.com) divider line
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2019-04-11 10:52:09 AM  
I got violent diarrhea reading that headline.
 
2019-04-11 11:03:33 AM  
There's a judge who just made Trump's list. How dare he go against business? Doesn't he know who's in charge?
 
2019-04-11 11:35:31 AM  
"dumped plastic garbage into the ocean and illegally discharged gray water into Glacier Bay National Park in Alaska. "

I've always thought of Carnival ships as floating portopotties; now I have my proof.

Fark 'em!
 
2019-04-11 11:37:01 AM  

ShonenBat: "dumped plastic garbage into the ocean and illegally discharged gray water into Glacier Bay National Park in Alaska. "

I've always thought of Carnival ships as floating portopotties; now I have my proof.

Fark 'em!


Was the Dave Matthews Band performing on the Lido deck?
 
2019-04-11 11:38:02 AM  
So many questions:
During a ship audit in December 2018, according to court filings, monitors found the Carnival Elation ship had dumped plastic overboard; the plastic wasn't being separated from the food waste. "

so if they were just Dumping food waste that would have been OKAY?

In addition, according to court documents, Holland America's Westerdam ship dumped 26,000 gallons of gray water into Glacier Bay National Park in Alaska in September 2018. Holland America paid a $250 fine"
What's that? like 1/10 of a penny a gallon?  WTF?
 
2019-04-11 11:42:10 AM  
Sailor's proverb: "If thou wouldst learn to pray, then go to sea."

I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

(I'd make an exception for the lower St-Lawrence, where many villages still have no road link to the rest of Canada.)
 
2019-04-11 11:54:04 AM  

Magorn: so if they were just Dumping food waste that would have been OKAY?


It just becomes fish food. I believe most cruise lines do this.
 
2019-04-11 11:55:18 AM  

Magorn: so if they were just Dumping food waste that would have been OKAY?


Considering that the ocean is full of fish pee, it might be an improvement.
 
2019-04-11 11:59:24 AM  
I'm ok with this.
Infact, I'm ok with torpedoing all the cruse ships. Their fule efficiency is something like three feet per gallon of crude oil, and let's face it: no one on a cruse ship is having a net positive impact on the world. As far as I'm concerned, they can all fark off to the bottom of the ocean, and we'd be better for it.
 
2019-04-11 12:03:10 PM  
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2019-04-11 12:19:03 PM  
I wonder if this will totally tank my asshole coworker's cruise in May.
 
2019-04-11 12:20:36 PM  
Sure, because who wouldn't want to embark on a fun-filled, fluid-discharging week aboard the Lady of Listeria or Norovirus Nautilus?
 
TWX
2019-04-11 12:33:26 PM  

MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.


The cruise I've been on, and the way my wife did cruises before we met, was to use the ship as a hotel that magically changed locations overnight, and to book shore excursions each day and to use the onboard evening entertainment provided as part of one's fare.

In the morning you wake up and eat a nice English breakfast, get off the ship and go do something in-port or in the surrounding countryside, return in the afternoon after a day of fun, get cleaned up and have a fashionably-late dinner in the dining room, then go see a show, or go dancing in one of the elevated lounges overlooking the port as the ship prepares to depart, or go lounge on deck. Go to bed, and the next morning do it all over again.

If you get on the ship and stay on the ship then you're wasting your time and money, with the only major exceptions being special-purpose cruises like going through the Panama Canal, or going to see Glacier Bay, or going down through the fjords in Tierra del Fuego or down to Antarctica.

The nice thing about the hotel-that-moves model is you aren't spending your waking hours traveling, you're spending those hours enjoying each stop that the cruise ship makes. The actual traveling is all happening at night while you're asleep.

Also, don't spring for a fancy cabin. The lower in the ship you are, the less the rocking of the ship affects you. Use the cabin as little more than a crash-pad, somewhere to sleep and to relatively securely stow your personal belongings when you're not using them. If you want a view, find a lounge or go out on deck.
 
2019-04-11 12:34:38 PM  

Magorn: so if they were just Dumping food waste that would have been OKAY?


Yes. Anything biodegradable can basically be dumped overboard when you are far enough offshore. Food and toilet waste are the two largest volumes. Treat the sewage, grind up food waste, and it's a slurry you pump overboard.
 
2019-04-11 12:49:26 PM  
A $250 fine? Yeah, that'll larn 'em.
 
2019-04-11 01:14:25 PM  
yup. it is perfectly ok to grind up actual food and dump it. they dumped grey water and that is water from showers, kitchen sinks, etc.. black water is the poo poo and pee pee from the toilets.

/insert your cruise line food isn't fit for charlie the tuna joke here.
 
2019-04-11 01:14:55 PM  

TWX: MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

The cruise I've been on, and the way my wife did cruises before we met, was to use the ship as a hotel that magically changed locations overnight, and to book shore excursions each day and to use the onboard evening entertainment provided as part of one's fare.

In the morning you wake up and eat a nice English breakfast, get off the ship and go do something in-port or in the surrounding countryside, return in the afternoon after a day of fun, get cleaned up and have a fashionably-late dinner in the dining room, then go see a show, or go dancing in one of the elevated lounges overlooking the port as the ship prepares to depart, or go lounge on deck. Go to bed, and the next morning do it all over again.

If you get on the ship and stay on the ship then you're wasting your time and money, with the only major exceptions being special-purpose cruises like going through the Panama Canal, or going to see Glacier Bay, or going down through the fjords in Tierra del Fuego or down to Antarctica.

The nice thing about the hotel-that-moves model is you aren't spending your waking hours traveling, you're spending those hours enjoying each stop that the cruise ship makes. The actual traveling is all happening at night while you're asleep.

Also, don't spring for a fancy cabin. The lower in the ship you are, the less the rocking of the ship affects you. Use the cabin as little more than a crash-pad, somewhere to sleep and to relatively securely stow your personal belongings when you're not using them. If you want a view, find a lounge or go out on deck.


Cruises are the only time I can legitimately disconnect from work for a few days or even a week. Disney? Still checking emails at night, dodging "emergency" phone calls. Europe, Asia-just like the US, but with better broadband and cell service. But on a boat, out in the middle of the ocean? "Sorry, I am unable to respond until we disembark." Throw in an all-you-can-drink package, and some nice weather, and you have yourself a actual vacation. One ship even had a dedicated tequila and taco bar, a comedy club, and a steak house with a passable bone-in ribeye.
 
2019-04-11 01:26:19 PM  

FormlessOne: Sure, because who wouldn't want to embark on a fun-filled, fluid-discharging week aboard the Lady of Listeria or Norovirus Nautilus?


One of the norovirus stories I read, it was basically one sick kid whose mother insisted that he go to every event, every show, lots of trips to the buffet, because she didn't want him to "miss anything."

Sick kid plus crowded places plus nowhere to hide equals PLAGUE. About a third of the ship got laid up, events canceled, guests quarantined because one Mum wouldn't keep junior in his cabin until he felt better.

That kind of entitlement mentality is the mistaken sense that you're on a once-in-a-lifetime adventure, combined with the fact that you spent a lot of money and don't want it wasted. I see it in the theater - yes, your tickets to Cats were expensive, but if you sound like you belong in a TB ward, perhaps a night out isn't for you.
 
2019-04-11 01:27:03 PM  
My boss is currently on the Carnival Valor out in the Gulf of Mexico... God this would be great if he got stranded out there.
 
2019-04-11 01:37:35 PM  
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/is there some way other than incognito to get around this crap? Many sites now blast this crap in incognito mode.
 
TWX
2019-04-11 02:20:21 PM  

capn' fun: Cruises are the only time I can legitimately disconnect from work for a few days or even a week. Disney? Still checking emails at night, dodging "emergency" phone calls. Europe, Asia-just like the US, but with better broadband and cell service. But on a boat, out in the middle of the ocean? "Sorry, I am unable to respond until we disembark." Throw in an all-you-can-drink package, and some nice weather, and you have yourself a actual vacation. One ship even had a dedicated tequila and taco bar, a comedy club, and a steak house with a passable bone-in ribeye.


I can do that in Hawaii. On one trip to Kauai I drove out to Polihale Beach, parked, and walked out to find the most beautiful beach I'd ever seen, and I couldn't see another soul in either direction. I could just see Ni'ihau off across the ocean. I like Kauai. I don't think I could live there, but it's a wonderful place to visit.
 
2019-04-11 02:23:02 PM  
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2019-04-11 03:13:59 PM  
Is it legal to smoke ganja once you're 3 miles off the coast?

/ Asking for a friend.
 
2019-04-11 03:26:27 PM  

TWX: MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

The cruise I've been on, and the way my wife did cruises before we met, was to use the ship as a hotel that magically changed locations overnight, and to book shore excursions each day and to use the onboard evening entertainment provided as part of one's fare.

In the morning you wake up and eat a nice English breakfast, get off the ship and go do something in-port or in the surrounding countryside, return in the afternoon after a day of fun, get cleaned up and have a fashionably-late dinner in the dining room, then go see a show, or go dancing in one of the elevated lounges overlooking the port as the ship prepares to depart, or go lounge on deck. Go to bed, and the next morning do it all over again.

If you get on the ship and stay on the ship then you're wasting your time and money, with the only major exceptions being special-purpose cruises like going through the Panama Canal, or going to see Glacier Bay, or going down through the fjords in Tierra del Fuego or down to Antarctica.

The nice thing about the hotel-that-moves model is you aren't spending your waking hours traveling, you're spending those hours enjoying each stop that the cruise ship makes. The actual traveling is all happening at night while you're asleep.

Also, don't spring for a fancy cabin. The lower in the ship you are, the less the rocking of the ship affects you. Use the cabin as little more than a crash-pad, somewhere to sleep and to relatively securely stow your personal belongings when you're not using them. If you want a view, find a lounge or go out on deck.


All against a backdrop of violent illness from everyone else's filth. Sounds great.
 
2019-04-11 03:26:34 PM  

MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.


WTF? It's literally a bar that takes you to the beach.
 
TWX
2019-04-11 03:33:12 PM  

DecemberNitro: TWX: MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

The cruise I've been on, and the way my wife did cruises before we met, was to use the ship as a hotel that magically changed locations overnight, and to book shore excursions each day and to use the onboard evening entertainment provided as part of one's fare.

In the morning you wake up and eat a nice English breakfast, get off the ship and go do something in-port or in the surrounding countryside, return in the afternoon after a day of fun, get cleaned up and have a fashionably-late dinner in the dining room, then go see a show, or go dancing in one of the elevated lounges overlooking the port as the ship prepares to depart, or go lounge on deck. Go to bed, and the next morning do it all over again.

If you get on the ship and stay on the ship then you're wasting your time and money, with the only major exceptions being special-purpose cruises like going through the Panama Canal, or going to see Glacier Bay, or going down through the fjords in Tierra del Fuego or down to Antarctica.

The nice thing about the hotel-that-moves model is you aren't spending your waking hours traveling, you're spending those hours enjoying each stop that the cruise ship makes. The actual traveling is all happening at night while you're asleep.

Also, don't spring for a fancy cabin. The lower in the ship you are, the less the rocking of the ship affects you. Use the cabin as little more than a crash-pad, somewhere to sleep and to relatively securely stow your personal belongings when you're not using them. If you want a view, find a lounge or go out on deck.

All against a backdrop of violent illness from everyone else's filth. Sounds great.


You think that hotels are any better?
 
2019-04-11 03:50:04 PM  

TWX: You think that hotels are any better?


Zero risk of a watery grave from a thunderstorm, so yes.
 
2019-04-11 05:31:52 PM  

SloppyFrenchKisser: Is it legal to smoke ganja once you're 3 miles off the coast?

/ Asking for a friend.


Ships have a country of registration. Often this is Panama or Liberia, because taxes are for little people. If I understand correctly, while you're in international waters, the laws of the country of registration apply.

And of course the cruise line can tell you not to bring your weed on board, whether it's legal under any applicable law or not.
 
2019-04-11 05:51:15 PM  
When I was in Belize there's a beach called "Lucky" because of the occasional drug bundles that wash up.  Unfortunately though, most days it's hundreds of pounds of travel sized plastic containers from passing cruise ships.  Little toothbrushes and shampoo bottles everywhere.
 
2019-04-11 06:17:15 PM  

extroverted_suicide: MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

WTF? It's literally a bar that takes you to the beach.


You can drink ON THE BEACH too.
 
2019-04-11 06:19:06 PM  

TWX: You think that hotels are any better?


When all the corridors are open air, absolutely yes.
 
2019-04-11 06:57:48 PM  
Carnival, a frequent and continuing violator of MARPOL.
 
2019-04-11 08:33:55 PM  

12349876: extroverted_suicide: MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

WTF? It's literally a bar that takes you to the beach.

You can drink ON THE BEACH too.


Yeah. Once you get there.
 
2019-04-11 08:38:58 PM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: SloppyFrenchKisser: Is it legal to smoke ganja once you're 3 miles off the coast?

/ Asking for a friend.

Ships have a country of registration. Often this is Panama or Liberia, because taxes are for little people. If I understand correctly, while you're in international waters, the laws of the country of registration apply.

And of course the cruise line can tell you not to bring your weed on board, whether it's legal under any applicable law or not.


To add to that... I mean, if you're departing from the US your bags are subject to any search either the port authority or the cruise line deem fit. Plus customs when you return.

But sure, go nuts. Risk all your shiat for what you can do freely in your back yard or living room right now.

Or wait til you get to Kingston and get that shiat for pennies on the dollar while you're ashore.
 
2019-04-11 09:10:41 PM  

extroverted_suicide: 12349876: extroverted_suicide: MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

WTF? It's literally a bar that takes you to the beach.

You can drink ON THE BEACH too.

Yeah. Once you get there.


The nearest port to me is a 10 hour drive.  I can fly to the Caribbean just as fast.
 
2019-04-11 09:24:09 PM  
The judge said:
"The people at the top are treating this as a gnat," Seitz said. "If I could, I would give all the members of the executive committee a visit to the detention center for a couple of days. It's amazing how that helps people come to focus on reality."

Then the article mentioned:
Seitz requested that Holland America executives Stein Kruse, Keith Taylor and retired Rear Admiral Joseph Servidio and Carnival Cruise Line president Christine Duffy also attend the June hearing.

I think some executives may get a couple of free nights lodging for contempt.  One can hope.
 
2019-04-11 09:35:03 PM  

12349876: extroverted_suicide: 12349876: extroverted_suicide: MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

WTF? It's literally a bar that takes you to the beach.

You can drink ON THE BEACH too.

Yeah. Once you get there.

The nearest port to me is a 10 hour drive.  I can fly to the Caribbean just as fast.


Given that I enjoy the shore excursions more than the boat (and getting on and off the boat), AND Mrs. Skippy gets horrendously motion sick, that's pretty much our plan.

A couple of friends of mine from College had a wonderful time in St. Lucia. The best part of St. Lucia is that cruise ships DO NOT STOP THERE. Translation: Locals actually like the visitors.
 
2019-04-11 09:52:24 PM  
I suspected the judge was having a bad day and got carried away. Then I read the article. The judge was too lenient.
 
2019-04-11 10:00:08 PM  

TWX: MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

The cruise I've been on, and the way my wife did cruises before we met, was to use the ship as a hotel that magically changed locations overnight, and to book shore excursions each day and to use the onboard evening entertainment provided as part of one's fare.

In the morning you wake up and eat a nice English breakfast, get off the ship and go do something in-port or in the surrounding countryside, return in the afternoon after a day of fun, get cleaned up and have a fashionably-late dinner in the dining room, then go see a show, or go dancing in one of the elevated lounges overlooking the port as the ship prepares to depart, or go lounge on deck. Go to bed, and the next morning do it all over again.

If you get on the ship and stay on the ship then you're wasting your time and money, with the only major exceptions being special-purpose cruises like going through the Panama Canal, or going to see Glacier Bay, or going down through the fjords in Tierra del Fuego or down to Antarctica.

The nice thing about the hotel-that-moves model is you aren't spending your waking hours traveling, you're spending those hours enjoying each stop that the cruise ship makes. The actual traveling is all happening at night while you're asleep.

Also, don't spring for a fancy cabin. The lower in the ship you are, the less the rocking of the ship affects you. Use the cabin as little more than a crash-pad, somewhere to sleep and to relatively securely stow your personal belongings when you're not using them. If you want a view, find a lounge or go out on deck.


That does sound like the smart way to cruise. Of the people I know who have taken cruises, exactly one couple does what you describe. The others stayed on ship, getting drunk, through the whole cruise. They typically cite the extra expense of the port outings as a deterrent. But when I ask if alcoholic beverages are included in the price they answer "No, that's extra."
 
TWX
2019-04-11 11:21:08 PM  

Bruscar: That does sound like the smart way to cruise. Of the people I know who have taken cruises, exactly one couple does what you describe. The others stayed on ship, getting drunk, through the whole cruise. They typically cite the extra expense of the port outings as a deterrent. But when I ask if alcoholic beverages are included in the price they answer "No, that's extra."


Thing is that one doesn't have to do the excursions that the cruise line offers, one can do in-port whatever one would like. Only caveat is being back to re-board before they leave.

The cruise line hospitality employees do exactly this. We asked the gal that worked our table for dinner, the employees have a few joints in each port that they frequent, usually dives located close to the port itself, but they don't remain on-ship when they're not working if they can avoid it. Obviously some staff works daytime while they're in-port and I expect that a lot of the sailing crew remains onboard since being idle in port is good for any necessary maintenance tasks, but if the employees themselves get off the ship and find stuff to do that doesn't involve the expensive line-provided excursions, then there's no reason that the patrons can't do the same.
 
2019-04-11 11:45:41 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: 12349876: extroverted_suicide: 12349876: extroverted_suicide: MikeyFuccon: I can't imagine spending my vacation on a ship, unless there were no other practical way to get to my destination.

WTF? It's literally a bar that takes you to the beach.

You can drink ON THE BEACH too.

Yeah. Once you get there.

The nearest port to me is a 10 hour drive.  I can fly to the Caribbean just as fast.

Given that I enjoy the shore excursions more than the boat (and getting on and off the boat), AND Mrs. Skippy gets horrendously motion sick, that's pretty much our plan.

A couple of friends of mine from College had a wonderful time in St. Lucia. The best part of St. Lucia is that cruise ships DO NOT STOP THERE. Translation: Locals actually like the visitors.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but yes they do. Matter of fact, they snarled my drive from the airport to my resort. The main road runs right past the port, and our van got there just as the ships were leaving, and all of the vendors were vacating. Huge traffic jam.

/You should still go to St. Lucia though, its fantastic.
 
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