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(Tom's Guide)   T-Mobile's planned TV service will offer over 150 channels for $100 a month. So, instead of a Sling/YouTube TV competitor, it's basically a glorified cable package delivered through the Internet using a proprietary box   (tomsguide.com) divider line
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2019-04-10 09:20:57 PM  
jeenyus!
 
2019-04-11 03:31:17 AM  
The company boasts that you can watch more than 150 channels

At the same time?
 
2019-04-11 04:05:40 AM  
Try not to watch any channels on the way through the parking lot.
 
2019-04-11 05:53:48 AM  

fusillade762: The company boasts that you can watch more than 150 channels

At the same time?


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The future is now
 
2019-04-11 06:54:05 AM  

fusillade762: The company boasts that you can watch more than 150 channels

At the same time?


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2019-04-11 06:55:46 AM  
Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?
 
2019-04-11 07:37:17 AM  
The fun part is watching as everyone tries to make everyone else maintain the hardware.
 
2019-04-11 07:40:15 AM  
Two years from now T-mobile will be explaining to investors why this lost money...

No one is going to sign up for this lol
 
2019-04-11 07:42:41 AM  

MizzouFTW: Two years from now T-mobile will be explaining to investors why this lost money...

No one is going to sign up for this lol


Are you kidding? The moment I read "proprietary box" I was all "shut up and take my money!"
 
2019-04-11 08:00:37 AM  

freddyV: Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?


Don't forget the 8 Spanish channels, 4 Vietnamese (?), and a dozen sports channels dedicated to important things like curling?
 
hej
2019-04-11 08:11:40 AM  
Isn't a proprietary box how all cable TV is delivered?
 
2019-04-11 08:18:33 AM  

Snotnose: freddyV: Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?

Don't forget the 8 Spanish channels, 4 Vietnamese (?), and a dozen sports channels dedicated to important things like curling?


TFA actually lists some of the things both of you mentioned. And it's an extra $10 a month to rent the box.
Stupid tag is correct. Who are they courting with this? Cable subscribers will stick with cable, and those of us with streaming services are not going back to that model of programming. They say they'll "eventually" include streaming, but who knows if they can pull off deals with Netflix, Amazon, etc.
 
2019-04-11 08:21:19 AM  

hej: Isn't a proprietary box how all cable TV is delivered?


Well you could deliver it as a Roku app, but either way you need something, because TVs can't tune digital cable on their own
 
2019-04-11 08:51:00 AM  

Snotnose: freddyV: Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?

Don't forget the 8 Spanish channels, 4 Vietnamese (?), and a dozen sports channels dedicated to important things like curling?


It's really annoying that these streaming services haven't figured out people really want à la carte. My wife and I were seriously considering moving to YouTube TV from Comcast, but now they are bumping the price up to $50 a month to add the Discovery channel networks, which we don't want because all their shows are trash now. Another price bump and they'll be practically the same price as Comcast, and we won't be saving any money.
 
2019-04-11 09:20:09 AM  
Stupid crap like this is why Mrs. Kitty and I just use an antenna for OTA and a free-to-air dish for 125W (PBS east/west, Montana PBS, Create, World, First Nations Experience). Paying for much beyond that is overpriced due to all the extra crap that comes with the additional channel or two we might want.

We don't bother streaming beyond HBO, since contracts and streaming rights keep changing. It seems each content creator is making their own streaming service, so you might need 3-4 subscriptions for all the big, popular series, bringing the price up to cable/dish prices. Then a lot of that crap still has commercials.
 
2019-04-11 09:55:47 AM  

fusillade762: The company boasts that you can watch more than 150 channels

At the same time?


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2019-04-11 10:22:16 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Snotnose: freddyV: Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?

Don't forget the 8 Spanish channels, 4 Vietnamese (?), and a dozen sports channels dedicated to important things like curling?

It's really annoying that these streaming services haven't figured out people really want à la carte. My wife and I were seriously considering moving to YouTube TV from Comcast, but now they are bumping the price up to $50 a month to add the Discovery channel networks, which we don't want because all their shows are trash now. Another price bump and they'll be practically the same price as Comcast, and we won't be saving any money.


There will never be true à la carte because the content providers want to bundle eight worthless channels with service people watch as part of a so-called "value proposal." They try to sell it by saying "no one's going to pay $7 per month for HGTV alone, so why not include Destination America and American Heroes Network too to sweeten the pot."
 
2019-04-11 10:32:36 AM  

DesertCoyote: Mad_Radhu: Snotnose: freddyV: Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?

Don't forget the 8 Spanish channels, 4 Vietnamese (?), and a dozen sports channels dedicated to important things like curling?

It's really annoying that these streaming services haven't figured out people really want à la carte. My wife and I were seriously considering moving to YouTube TV from Comcast, but now they are bumping the price up to $50 a month to add the Discovery channel networks, which we don't want because all their shows are trash now. Another price bump and they'll be practically the same price as Comcast, and we won't be saving any money.

There will never be true à la carte because the content providers want to bundle eight worthless channels with service people watch as part of a so-called "value proposal." They try to sell it by saying "no one's going to pay $7 per month for HGTV alone, so why not include Destination America and American Heroes Network too to sweeten the pot."


It's not just that, it's the percentage of people who will go for it. HGTV will charge a cable company $.25/subscriber if they are included on every package. But if people can pick channels and only 10% want HGTV, it will probably be $3-$4 month (you might think $2.50 to maintain revenue neutral, but you are forgetting with only 10% of the households, not as many will be watching so less commercial revenue will come in.
 
2019-04-11 10:36:15 AM  

DesertCoyote: Mad_Radhu: Snotnose: freddyV: Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?

Don't forget the 8 Spanish channels, 4 Vietnamese (?), and a dozen sports channels dedicated to important things like curling?

It's really annoying that these streaming services haven't figured out people really want à la carte. My wife and I were seriously considering moving to YouTube TV from Comcast, but now they are bumping the price up to $50 a month to add the Discovery channel networks, which we don't want because all their shows are trash now. Another price bump and they'll be practically the same price as Comcast, and we won't be saving any money.

There will never be true à la carte because the content providers want to bundle eight worthless channels with service people watch as part of a so-called "value proposal." They try to sell it by saying "no one's going to pay $7 per month for HGTV alone, so why not include Destination America and American Heroes Network too to sweeten the pot."


Plus with Disney owning so many of the channels now, can't dump all 20 ESPNs or you have to get rid of every other Disney property as well. I could probably be happy with 16-20 channels and dump the rest of the garbage but I am sure they would find a way to make it cost even more.
 
2019-04-11 10:52:51 AM  

c152atn67: DesertCoyote: Mad_Radhu: Snotnose: freddyV: Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?

Don't forget the 8 Spanish channels, 4 Vietnamese (?), and a dozen sports channels dedicated to important things like curling?

It's really annoying that these streaming services haven't figured out people really want à la carte. My wife and I were seriously considering moving to YouTube TV from Comcast, but now they are bumping the price up to $50 a month to add the Discovery channel networks, which we don't want because all their shows are trash now. Another price bump and they'll be practically the same price as Comcast, and we won't be saving any money.

There will never be true à la carte because the content providers want to bundle eight worthless channels with service people watch as part of a so-called "value proposal." They try to sell it by saying "no one's going to pay $7 per month for HGTV alone, so why not include Destination America and American Heroes Network too to sweeten the pot."

It's not just that, it's the percentage of people who will go for it. HGTV will charge a cable company $.25/subscriber if they are included on every package. But if people can pick channels and only 10% want HGTV, it will probably be $3-$4 month (you might think $2.50 to maintain revenue neutral, but you are forgetting with only 10% of the households, not as many will be watching so less commercial revenue will come in.


Right. The content providers want to make $X per month total from all sources. They can't let individual subscribers buy access to a channel for the same price a cable company pays for it. The cable company is paying a bulk rate because it resells that channel to its entire subscriber base whether the subscriber watches it or not. An individual subscriber would have to pay far, far more for it. At the end of the day, a la carte doesn't make business sense for anybody. The consumer needs to pay a certain amount of money, and I can practically guarantee it's going to be more than he wants to, to consume content no matter which content it is, otherwise nobody is going to provide him any content because there's no profit in it.

When cable is gone and everything is streaming, and those streaming companies are done with the promo pricing and have to start turning profits, the average household will probably pay just as much in total streaming costs to get all the content they want as they were paying for cable, and all of that is driven by the cost of generating the content in the first place. Your average YouTuber might be willing to work for peanuts but professionals get paid with actual money.
 
2019-04-11 11:10:05 AM  

pdieten: c152atn67: DesertCoyote: Mad_Radhu: Snotnose: freddyV: Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?

Don't forget the 8 Spanish channels, 4 Vietnamese (?), and a dozen sports channels dedicated to important things like curling?

It's really annoying that these streaming services haven't figured out people really want à la carte. My wife and I were seriously considering moving to YouTube TV from Comcast, but now they are bumping the price up to $50 a month to add the Discovery channel networks, which we don't want because all their shows are trash now. Another price bump and they'll be practically the same price as Comcast, and we won't be saving any money.

There will never be true à la carte because the content providers want to bundle eight worthless channels with service people watch as part of a so-called "value proposal." They try to sell it by saying "no one's going to pay $7 per month for HGTV alone, so why not include Destination America and American Heroes Network too to sweeten the pot."

It's not just that, it's the percentage of people who will go for it. HGTV will charge a cable company $.25/subscriber if they are included on every package. But if people can pick channels and only 10% want HGTV, it will probably be $3-$4 month (you might think $2.50 to maintain revenue neutral, but you are forgetting with only 10% of the households, not as many will be watching so less commercial revenue will come in.

Right. The content providers want to make $X per month total from all sources. They can't let individual subscribers buy access to a channel for the same price a cable company pays for it. The cable company is paying a bulk rate because it resells that channel to its entire subscriber base whether the subscriber watches it or not. An individual subscriber would have to pay far, far more for it. At the end of the day, a la carte doesn't make business sense for anybody. The consumer needs to pay a certain amount of money, and I can practically guarantee it's going to be more than he wants to, to consume content no matter which content it is, otherwise nobody is going to provide him any content because there's no profit in it.

When cable is gone and everything is streaming, and those streaming companies are done with the promo pricing and have to start turning profits, the average household will probably pay just as much in total streaming costs to get all the content they want as they were paying for cable, and all of that is driven by the cost of generating the content in the first place. Your average YouTuber might be willing to work for peanuts but professionals get paid with actual money.


As mentioned by someone else in this thread before, YouTube TV just raised their price to $50 a month after adding a number of Discovery-owned networks. Sling TV undercuts everyone else, but if you looked at Dish's Glassdoor reviews, you can see why the way they lowball salaries and benefits.
 
2019-04-11 11:28:29 AM  
Also, as many broadband providers are implementing caps, it will cost you more if you reach that cap. Given many people's viewing habits, this could start about the 17th day of people's Internet billing month. Eventually this will be better once T-Mo builds out its 5G Network, but that's a ways away.
 
2019-04-11 11:52:36 AM  
Advertise it to the cable/satellite holdovers who haven't cut the cord yet. You'll make millions.
 
2019-04-11 12:17:01 PM  

kittyhas1000legs: Stupid crap like this is why Mrs. Kitty and I just use an antenna for OTA and a free-to-air dish for 125W (PBS east/west, Montana PBS, Create, World, First Nations Experience). Paying for much beyond that is overpriced due to all the extra crap that comes with the additional channel or two we might want.


I got myself an Amazon Recast -- Nice DVR functionality for OTA TV, fully integrated in the FireTV ecosystem, for a single one-time payment.
 
2019-04-11 12:23:01 PM  

Excelsior: kittyhas1000legs: Stupid crap like this is why Mrs. Kitty and I just use an antenna for OTA and a free-to-air dish for 125W (PBS east/west, Montana PBS, Create, World, First Nations Experience). Paying for much beyond that is overpriced due to all the extra crap that comes with the additional channel or two we might want.

I got myself an Amazon Recast -- Nice DVR functionality for OTA TV, fully integrated in the FireTV ecosystem, for a single one-time payment.


The problem with OTA TV is the pending ATSC 3.0 rollout. Phoenix is about to get a signal downgrade for the local CW station because of the big science experiment the broadcasters are conducting here. No big loss given I don't watch much on The CW anyway.
 
2019-04-11 01:13:23 PM  

freddyV: Will it have 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and the horse racing channel like my cable does?


I dream of the days when I only had 4 shopping channels, 3 religious channels and a horse racing channel.

With WOW I had about 12 shopping channels, 8 religious channels, 10 sports channels that I never watched yet was charged and additional fee for and 5 news channels.

I am glad I dropped cable.  I don't miss it at all.
 
2019-04-11 01:47:59 PM  

DesertCoyote: Excelsior: kittyhas1000legs: Stupid crap like this is why Mrs. Kitty and I just use an antenna for OTA and a free-to-air dish for 125W (PBS east/west, Montana PBS, Create, World, First Nations Experience). Paying for much beyond that is overpriced due to all the extra crap that comes with the additional channel or two we might want.

I got myself an Amazon Recast -- Nice DVR functionality for OTA TV, fully integrated in the FireTV ecosystem, for a single one-time payment.

The problem with OTA TV is the pending ATSC 3.0 rollout. Phoenix is about to get a signal downgrade for the local CW station because of the big science experiment the broadcasters are conducting here. No big loss given I don't watch much on The CW anyway.


Also, the biggest negative of the Recast compared to, let's say, HDHomeRun or Tablo is that channels are not in numerical order.
 
2019-04-11 02:46:28 PM  

DesertCoyote: DesertCoyote: Excelsior: kittyhas1000legs: Stupid crap like this is why Mrs. Kitty and I just use an antenna for OTA and a free-to-air dish for 125W (PBS east/west, Montana PBS, Create, World, First Nations Experience). Paying for much beyond that is overpriced due to all the extra crap that comes with the additional channel or two we might want.

I got myself an Amazon Recast -- Nice DVR functionality for OTA TV, fully integrated in the FireTV ecosystem, for a single one-time payment.

The problem with OTA TV is the pending ATSC 3.0 rollout. Phoenix is about to get a signal downgrade for the local CW station because of the big science experiment the broadcasters are conducting here. No big loss given I don't watch much on The CW anyway.

Also, the biggest negative of the Recast compared to, let's say, HDHomeRun or Tablo is that channels are not in numerical order.


The free Locast  app streams local channels for free. You get a pick of about 8 cities.
 
2019-04-11 05:23:37 PM  

DesertCoyote: Excelsior: kittyhas1000legs: Stupid crap like this is why Mrs. Kitty and I just use an antenna for OTA and a free-to-air dish for 125W (PBS east/west, Montana PBS, Create, World, First Nations Experience). Paying for much beyond that is overpriced due to all the extra crap that comes with the additional channel or two we might want.

I got myself an Amazon Recast -- Nice DVR functionality for OTA TV, fully integrated in the FireTV ecosystem, for a single one-time payment.

The problem with OTA TV is the pending ATSC 3.0 rollout. Phoenix is about to get a signal downgrade for the local CW station because of the big science experiment the broadcasters are conducting here. No big loss given I don't watch much on The CW anyway.


I'm not too worried about ATSC 3 for now. It's barely getting into the testing phase.

I'm sticking with my fairly outdated stuff for as long as I can.  Two NTSC/ATSC/ClearQAM tuners, two DVB-S2 tuners, and I'm set for a while.
 
2019-04-11 08:22:11 PM  
This is...interesting. They call it IPTV but it seems a lot like the streaming boxes that other cable companies are already lining up. Unless those are going to be considered IPTV as well. I'd be interested to see if these can connect with coax or just Ethernet/wifi. If not coax, are those techs gonna run cables too? Are they gonna repair/troubleshoot any of the multitude of IPTV issues? Why even have techs install the boxes if the boxes are supposed to utilize any broadband...wouldn't it be simpler to let customers order boxes online or buy them in any electronics store?
 
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