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(EurekAlert)   A diet rich in animal protein is associated with a greater risk of death, which if you have been paying attention, is still 100%   (eurekalert.org) divider line
    More: Followup, Nutrition, animal protein, greater risk of death, new study, PhD Student Heli Virtanen, University of Eastern Finland finds, high intake of meat, higher risk of death  
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2019-04-10 11:23:53 AM  
Where's the beef?

So is it the beef itself or the lifestyle of the beef eaters?
Is it how the beef was raised? Grass fed or grown fast to weight and sold for maximum profit?
Does the breed of beef make a difference?
 
2019-04-10 11:24:52 AM  
Be fastidious in your health, and you may live even to 100 years or so.

But, having seen up close and personal what happens when people live beyond 80 or so, how the hell can anybody actually want to do it? It looks awful. You know, I haven't shiat myself since I was a little kid. I'd rather not start that business up again.
 
2019-04-10 11:44:45 AM  

BKITU: Be fastidious in your health, and you may live even to 100 years or so.

But, having seen up close and personal what happens when people live beyond 80 or so, how the hell can anybody actually want to do it? It looks awful. You know, I haven't shiat myself since I was a little kid. I'd rather not start that business up again.


I've always wondered why people say things that shorten your life are a bad thing.
Is it really so bad to miss out on the golden years when you have eat soft foods, and have someone wipe your ass for you while you watch all your friends die?
Nah, I'm planning to get out before that happens.
 
2019-04-10 11:48:22 AM  
Umm, no.  That's wrong!  They know nothing of getting your ketos in alignment!  I eat nothing but meat and I've never felt better.  The REAL killer is these scientists that tell you to not eat meat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  They need to watch the Joe Rogan show and get a REAL education.
 
2019-04-10 12:08:26 PM  

BKITU: Be fastidious in your health, and you may live even to 100 years or so.

But, having seen up close and personal what happens when people live beyond 80 or so, how the hell can anybody actually want to do it? It looks awful. You know, I haven't shiat myself since I was a little kid. I'd rather not start that business up again.


It depends on the person. There are people in their 60s in nursing homes. Then there's William Shatner. People don't like to face how much genetics have to do with it.
 
2019-04-10 12:37:19 PM  
What about 150 g/day?

/stupid study
 
2019-04-10 12:38:37 PM  
The only info about which you need to care (emphasis mine):

Methods
The study population consisted of 2641 Finnish men, aged 42-60 y at baseline in 1984-1989. We estimated protein intakes with 4-d dietary records at baseline and collected data on disease deaths from the national Causes of Death Register. Cox proportional hazards regression models were used to estimate HRs and 95% CIs. Results During the average follow-up of 22.3 y, we observed 1225 deaths due to disease. Higher intakes of total protein and animal protein had borderline statistically significant associations with increased mortality risk: multivariable-adjusted HR (95% CI) in the highest compared with the lowest quartile for total protein intake = 1.17 (0.99, 1.39; P-trend across quartiles = 0.07) and for animal protein intake = 1.13 (0.95, 1.35; P-trend = 0.04). Higher animal-to-plant protein ratio (extreme-quartile HR = 1.23; 95% CI: 1.02, 1.49; P-trend = 0.01) and higher meat intake (extreme-quartile HR = 1.23; 95% CI: 1.04, 1.47; P-trend = 0.01) were associated with increased mortality. When evaluated based on disease history at baseline, the association of total protein with mortality appeared more evident among those with a history of type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, or cancer (n = 1094) compared with those without disease history (n = 1547) (P-interaction = 0.05 or 0.07, depending on the model). Intakes of fish, eggs, dairy, or plant protein sources were not associated with mortality.

Conclusions
Higher ratio of animal to plant protein in diet and higher meat intake were associated with increased mortality risk. Higher total protein intake appeared to be associated with mortality mainly among those with a predisposing disease. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT03221127.


Again - stop reading the articles, start reading the studies. The article's disingenuously worded (which is why they're using percentages of risk increase, instead of actual percentage of risk - it looks far more dramatic) to make the correlation outlined in the study appear far more significant than it is.
 
2019-04-10 12:42:10 PM  
Seriously, the study describes a correlation, nothing more, that barely qualifies as statistically significant, and did so based on a rather specific set of framing assumptions and "extensive controls" of lifestyle factors and dietary habits.
 
2019-04-10 12:44:22 PM  
"I'm judgemental as hell about other people's dietary choices but any criticism (scientific or otherwise) of mine is invalid, uncalled for and intrusive!"

- everyone
 
2019-04-10 12:45:12 PM  
A life without hot beef injections is not a life I want to live.
 
2019-04-10 12:53:51 PM  

Mugato: It depends on the person. There are people in their 60s in nursing homes. Then there's William Shatner. People don't like to face how much genetics have to do with it.


Seems to be even more stochastic than just genetics. 

Reminds me of one of my favorite Onion articles:
https://local.theonion.com/114-year-o​l​d-attributes-longevity-to-sheer-random​-chanc-1819563850

And it's been a known thorn in humanity's side for a long, long time: 
"We study Health, and we deliberate upon our meats, and drink, and ayre, and exercises, and we hew, and wee polish every stone, that goes to that building; and so our Health is a long and regular work; But in a minute a Canon batters all, overthrowes all, demolishes all" -John Donne, Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, 1624
 
2019-04-10 01:01:36 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Mugato: It depends on the person. There are people in their 60s in nursing homes. Then there's William Shatner. People don't like to face how much genetics have to do with it.

Seems to be even more stochastic than just genetics.
Reminds me of one of my favorite Onion articles:
https://local.theonion.com/114-year-ol​d-attributes-longevity-to-sheer-random​-chanc-1819563850

And it's been a known thorn in humanity's side for a long, long time:
"We study Health, and we deliberate upon our meats, and drink, and ayre, and exercises, and we hew, and wee polish every stone, that goes to that building; and so our Health is a long and regular work; But in a minute a Canon batters all, overthrowes all, demolishes all" -John Donne, Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, 1624

Thanks for that link.
 
2019-04-10 01:24:24 PM  

Hooker with a Penis: A life without hot beef injections is not a life I want to live.


That's the thing about the study - their focus was on animal flesh, specifically, not "animal protein", as they were happy to exclude fish, eggs, dairy products, and plant proteins, and yet their identified correlation barely made the cut of "statistical significance."

In other words, I wouldn't worry too much about the results of the study in isolation.
 
2019-04-10 02:01:51 PM  
Articles like this always make me hungry for a burger.
 
2019-04-10 02:21:05 PM  

Hooker with a Penis: A life without hot beef injections is not a life I want to live.


Name checks out
 
2019-04-10 02:27:17 PM  

BKITU: Be fastidious in your health, and you may live even to 100 years or so.

But, having seen up close and personal what happens when people live beyond 80 or so, how the hell can anybody actually want to do it? It looks awful. You know, I haven't shiat myself since I was a little kid. I'd rather not start that business up again.


Don't be fastidious in your health so you can live tomorrow, be fastidious in your health so you can live today.

It's possible to live for decades in very poor health but, from what I've seen, calling that a life is a stretch.
 
2019-04-10 03:20:51 PM  

FormlessOne: The only info about which you need to care (emphasis mine):

Methods
The study population consisted of 2641 Finnish men, aged 42-60 y at baseline in 1984-1989. We estimated protein intakes with 4-d dietary records at baseline and collected data on disease deaths from the national Causes of Death Register. Cox proportional hazards regression models were used to estimate HRs and 95% CIs. Results During the average follow-up of 22.3 y, we observed 1225 deaths due to disease. Higher intakes of total protein and animal protein had borderline statistically significant associations with increased mortality risk: multivariable-adjusted HR (95% CI) in the highest compared with the lowest quartile for total protein intake = 1.17 (0.99, 1.39; P-trend across quartiles = 0.07) and for animal protein intake = 1.13 (0.95, 1.35; P-trend = 0.04). Higher animal-to-plant protein ratio (extreme-quartile HR = 1.23; 95% CI: 1.02, 1.49; P-trend = 0.01) and higher meat intake (extreme-quartile HR = 1.23; 95% CI: 1.04, 1.47; P-trend = 0.01) were associated with increased mortality. When evaluated based on disease history at baseline, the association of total protein with mortality appeared more evident among those with a history of type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, or cancer (n = 1094) compared with those without disease history (n = 1547) (P-interaction = 0.05 or 0.07, depending on the model). Intakes of fish, eggs, dairy, or plant protein sources were not associated with mortality.

Conclusions
Higher ratio of animal to plant protein in diet and higher meat intake were associated with increased mortality risk. Higher total protein intake appeared to be associated with mortality mainly among those with a predisposing disease. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT03221127.

Again - stop reading the articles, start reading the studies. The article's disingenuously worded (which is why they're using percentages of risk increase, instead of actual percentage of risk - i ...


Did the study specify 200 grams of meat, or 200 grams of meat protein?
 
2019-04-10 03:48:46 PM  
I'm familiar with my family genetics - I'm not making 80, let alone 100.

I damned well want to enjoy the years I have - all these pseudo-study-articles that disingeniously grab data from actual studies to prove a given bias aren't helping anyone.

100% of people that consumed water have Died.  Eat, drink, and be merry.  (Or Mary, if you prefer.)  Hell, marry Mary, and be merry.  You do you.
 
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