fusillade762: So in related news, my local fishwrap actually printed this drivel the other day. I almost punched my newspaper.

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I oppose Oregon House Bill 3063, which would make vaccinations absolutely mandatory, and deprive children of an education if parents don't comply.

I've been a Christian Scientist for nearly 30 years. Our daughter, now 20, has almost never been ill. We've seen swift healings of sickness or injury through scientific prayer alone, usually within hours, or, at most a day or so (even of flu and chicken pox). Christian Scientists aren't against medicine; but turning to God as a first resort, there's generally no need for medical treatment.

Parents must be mindful when making the decision to vaccinate. We must all make informed choices according to our highest sense of right. Most who request a religious or philosophical exemption from some or all vaccines do so not out of fear but from personal conviction based upon research and experience.

I'm for separation of church and state, and for freedom of choice. Protecting public health is vital. But medical tyranny is just plain wrong.

Our discussions shouldn't be clouded by emotional manipulation, superstition, pharmaceutical companies' influence, or fearmongering.

It was on the news on tv here last night. I was so disgusted. Kids in cages on the border, and they want to protest this. It's like they just want to make others suffer for their ignorance.

HOWEVER. There is a right way and a wrong way to go about things, and feeding into the anti-vaxxers fears by acting like thugs is not exactly a right way. Kids are yanked out of homes all the time and CPS does it, and if they want to really shine a light on the trauma inducing organization that handles that dept from county to county and state to state, and almost without fail is a huge clusterfark by showing how Child Protective Services handles legal child abductions, then that would be another thing.

But two wrongs don't make a right. Swat isn't needed, and the foster care system, all of them, are often fronts for human trafficking cartels at worst, and are filled with neglectful and abusive foster parents as well, that have no oversight themselves.

and all the people wanting to punch and murder the parents..I'm sure the children would just love that..to have people judge the only ones they know love them and are keeping them from them and wish ill on their mom and dad.

By the way, the kid was NOT ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AFTER BEING TAKEN AWAY. The child has a respiratory infection, and the other children were not ill. So the parents were telling the truth, the child did get better, however since the views of the parents are anti-authoritarian and unpopular, then they deserve to have their children legally kidnapped and still not given back.

I think that's digusting. But then again, I've been in foster homes, and was always taken away from the home without need or cause, and always place in a worse and more neglectful and abusive situation, not a better one.

Mouren: Also regarding "treating us like criminals"

13-3623. Child or vulnerable adult abuse; emotional abuse; classification; exceptions; definitions
A. Under circumstances likely to produce death or serious physical injury, any person who causes ...a child or vulnerable adult to be placed in a situation where the person or health of the child or vulnerable adult is endangered is guilty of an offense as follows:
1. If done intentionally or knowingly, the offense is a class 2 felony and if the victim is under fifteen years of age it is punishable pursuant to section 13-705.

The cops and the system that took them were MORE ABUSIVE THAN THE PARENTS.

two wrongs don't make a right. They just make the children suffer more.