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2019-03-26 08:13:10 AM  
Let's face it, the beatings Batman puts down on some people probably result in lifelong injuries and debilitating pain. Death may be preferable.
 
2019-03-26 08:15:36 AM  
You peaked with DotD Snyder.
 
2019-03-26 08:21:50 AM  
Kills minions but not the big bad.
What a guy
 
2019-03-26 08:26:09 AM  
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2019-03-26 08:36:08 AM  
The Michael Keaton Batman definitely did.
 
2019-03-26 08:41:16 AM  
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2019-03-26 08:42:04 AM  
....no shiat?
 
2019-03-26 08:42:48 AM  
Listen, children
"Batman" is a fictional character. He doesn't kill anyone.
You're thinking of Thor.

"I just gave Chrith Hemthworth the ride of hith life."
"Is he Thor?
"Yeth!"
 
2019-03-26 08:43:36 AM  
I hope the fark so
 
2019-03-26 08:44:51 AM  
Batman vs. The Penguin (with Patton Oswalt)
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He fights bad guys and they go to sleep
 
2019-03-26 08:45:53 AM  
"But you're living in a farking dream world."  Ummmm...hey, Zack?  It's farking fiction, bro.
 
2019-03-26 08:46:54 AM  

gopher321: You peaked with DotD Snyder.


Which is itself wildly overrated and it's not even rated that well.
 
2019-03-26 08:47:23 AM  

naughtyrev: Let's face it, the beatings Batman puts down on some people probably result in lifelong injuries and debilitating pain. Death may be preferable.


This bro gets it! Wanna circle jerk, bro?
 
2019-03-26 08:47:39 AM  
someone in a Batman costume needs to do this to Snyder

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2019-03-26 08:47:57 AM  
I was going to have an opinion on this, and then I remembered that I'm not an enormous nerd.
 
2019-03-26 08:49:31 AM  
Zach Snyder's Batman couldn't figure out that Superman is the secret identity of a guy called Clark Kent who love's his mom.

How about we leave deciding whether he kills people to someone with some competence at handling the character.
 
2019-03-26 08:50:31 AM  

Mugato: The Michael Keaton Batman definitely did.


That was one of the big problems that comic fans had at the time (*one* of the many).

But is Gizmodo telling comic fans not to nitpick?  Batman not killing was one of the major points with his character.  Personally, I don't mind it as the newer Batmans over the last decades have been quite good and more like the comics and I can look past it.

/Rubber bullets...honest.
 
2019-03-26 08:50:53 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Zach Snyder's Batman couldn't figure out that Superman is the secret identity of a guy called Clark Kent who love's his mom.

How about we leave deciding whether he kills people to someone with some competence at handling the character.


"love's" - no, I've not farking clue what that apostrophe is doing their either. I swear the damned thing appeared just as I hit submit.
 
2019-03-26 08:52:00 AM  
Of course Batman kills people. As the epitome of rich white male privilege, killing people without repercussions comes with the territory. Those hookers were killed by the Joker and planted at Wayne Manor as part of some nefarious plot, no need to investigate, Commissioner Gordon.
 
2019-03-26 08:53:29 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Zach Snyder's Batman couldn't figure out that Superman is the secret identity of a guy called Clark Kent who love's his mom.

How about we leave deciding whether he kills people to someone with some competence at handling the character.


"Instead of having Batman do any kind of detective to work to find out more about who Superman actually is what if I just have him do some CrossFit before fighting him." - Zack Snyder, man who knows Batman.
 
2019-03-26 08:53:55 AM  
I'm a big batman fan and I don't care of people get killed by him;

Batman hating guns because his parents were shot makes sense.
Batman trying not to kill people if he can avoid it makes sense.
Batman never killing anybody is a pretty unrealistic goal given that the beatings he delivers could easily result in death.
 
2019-03-26 08:57:36 AM  
If Bruce Wayne really wanted to reduce crime he could do things proven to work like provided funding for additional police officers or invest in after school programs.  Those are far more cost-effective than running around at night in a rubber suit punching people.  But Bruce Wayne doesn't want to reduce crime.  He wants vengeance.  He'll never fill the hole in his heart left by his dead parents until he accepts that.

Also, cool car.
 
2019-03-26 08:58:09 AM  
Oooooooh, Zack, you're soooooooooo edgy.
 
2019-03-26 09:00:41 AM  
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2019-03-26 09:01:07 AM  
Yes, he did kill in his very earliest days.  Anyone who hides behind that defense is not the comic fan they
claim to be in my opinion.

Besides, he has all sorts of other.... nonstandard... ways of dealing with people....
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2019-03-26 09:01:10 AM  
We put some brightly colored rainbows in the dingy grey clouds Zach was yelling at. Let's see if he notices!
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2019-03-26 09:01:41 AM  
I'm not taking any remark about how delusional I am from a guy who's excited about filming The FountainHead.
 
2019-03-26 09:02:17 AM  

Rapmaster2000: If Bruce Wayne really wanted to reduce crime he could do things proven to work like provided funding for additional police officers or invest in after school programs.  Those are far more cost-effective than running around at night in a rubber suit punching people.  But Bruce Wayne doesn't want to reduce crime.  He wants vengeance.  He'll never fill the hole in his heart left by his dead parents until he accepts that.

Also, cool car.


Depending on the writer he does do a lot of those things.  He also lives in a world where supervillains exist. I don't think after school programs will do much to stop the Killer Crocs of his world.
 
2019-03-26 09:07:24 AM  
Yeah, his version of Batman clearly does.

There's a video that's been posted to Fark before that counts down all the people Batman kills in BvS, and it's quite a few.

But at least Batman being non-lethal is slightly more plausible than Green Arrow, who basically is a less dark Batman who shoots people with arrows.
 
2019-03-26 09:08:38 AM  
Jason Todd explains Batman why he want to kill the joker
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2019-03-26 09:10:55 AM  
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2019-03-26 09:11:20 AM  
Zack just needs to let this shiat go. Move on to your next project, man. WB won't let you near another DC property again no matter what you say about how people just aren't getting your vision.
 
2019-03-26 09:12:45 AM  

spongeboob: Kills minions but not the big bad.
What a guy


This is where the no kill ethics came from. If he is perfectly okay with dealing out death, especially in the reckless manner he behaves in the snyderverse, then the logical thing is for him to become an assassin. It's the cleanest, most efficient, most collateral damage minimizing way to go about his crusade. The no killing thing isn't because he's a pansy, it makes things more challenging and more interesting, and allows his rogue's gallery, who are a huge part of his appeal, to persist. It also explains why his existence is tolerated by the GCPD.

Same goes for superman. He's too powerful, so one way to hamstring him, especially against Luther, is that Superman actually cares about innocents caught in the crossfire. He cant just burn luther where he stands because he has to go save the people Luther kidnapped and put into a lethal trap.

It's fine to toy around with the long established character traits of these characters, but they aren't random things drawn from a hat, they were developed by people who had the longevity of the characters in mind, and who successfully kept them relevant for decades. Snyder flamed out because he didn't care about the longevity, just the short term impact.

It isnt just that nerds don't like that he changed the characters, both these characters have been reinvented dozens of times. The problem is that what he replaced them with didn't hold anyone's attention, because he didn't put any thought at all into doing that.
 
2019-03-26 09:14:21 AM  
What a proper homoerotic crime fighting team looks like.
 
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2019-03-26 09:17:56 AM  
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2019-03-26 09:19:35 AM  

Egoy3k: Rapmaster2000: If Bruce Wayne really wanted to reduce crime he could do things proven to work like provided funding for additional police officers or invest in after school programs.  Those are far more cost-effective than running around at night in a rubber suit punching people.  But Bruce Wayne doesn't want to reduce crime.  He wants vengeance.  He'll never fill the hole in his heart left by his dead parents until he accepts that.

Also, cool car.

Depending on the writer he does do a lot of those things.  He also lives in a world where supervillains exist. I don't think after school programs will do much to stop the Killer Crocs of his world.


If someone had reached out to Killer Croc when he was just Teenage Loner Croc, then maybe all the killing could have been avoided.
 
2019-03-26 09:20:23 AM  

Egoy3k: Rapmaster2000: If Bruce Wayne really wanted to reduce crime he could do things proven to work like provided funding for additional police officers or invest in after school programs.  Those are far more cost-effective than running around at night in a rubber suit punching people.  But Bruce Wayne doesn't want to reduce crime.  He wants vengeance.  He'll never fill the hole in his heart left by his dead parents until he accepts that.

Also, cool car.

Depending on the writer he does do a lot of those things.  He also lives in a world where supervillains exist. I don't think after school programs will do much to stop the Killer Crocs of his world.


I also find the "if we kill the Joker, what's to stop us from summarily executing jaywalkers?" trope boring as FAAAAAAAAAARK.

You can put the line at, let's say, 5 cold-blooded murders without worrying the streets are going to run red with the blood of ecstasy dealers and welfare fraudsters. And even if you did move the line for capital punishment down to include any violent crime, Gotham's got enough Big Bads to keep Batman, Nightwing, Batwoman, Batgirl, Bat-person (Bat-Enby?), the Court of Owls, Bat-fetus, Owlman, Bat-Owl, Owlbat, Nightowl, Azrael's Jockstrap, Batbat, the man formerly known as Bat, and a B.A.T. busy for years before they get to the aggressive carjackers.
 
2019-03-26 09:21:23 AM  
If he killed people he wouldn't be Batman, he'd just be another Batman villain. Or possibly the Night Haunter.
 
2019-03-26 09:21:25 AM  

2chris2: I was going to have an opinion on this, and then I remembered that I'm not an enormous nerd.


You only paid attention to Batman when it was cool?
 
2019-03-26 09:21:49 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Zach Snyder's Batman couldn't figure out that Superman is the secret identity of a guy called Clark Kent who love's his mom.

How about we leave deciding whether he kills people to someone with some competence at handling the character.


And that whole thing about him branding criminals and it being a death sentence in jail didn't quite make sense. Wouldn't going up against Batman lend you some street cred instead? It would probably be a white glove invite to join the toughest gang at Blackgate.
 
2019-03-26 09:23:25 AM  

Mugato: The Michael Keaton Batman definitely did.


I watched it again last year and forgot how many people Batman will kill in the Burton movies. Watching Batman throw the lead ninja gangster off the side of the bell tower to his death is always fun. Then there is the scene when he just drives the Batmobile into chemical plant and kills probably a few dozen gangster factory workers.
 
2019-03-26 09:24:04 AM  

Mad_Radhu: You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Zach Snyder's Batman couldn't figure out that Superman is the secret identity of a guy called Clark Kent who love's his mom.

How about we leave deciding whether he kills people to someone with some competence at handling the character.

And that whole thing about him branding criminals and it being a death sentence in jail didn't quite make sense. Wouldn't going up against Batman lend you some street cred instead? It would probably be a white glove invite to join the toughest gang at Blackgate.


But your associates don't know if you gave them up while you had your little bat-chat.
 
2019-03-26 09:26:23 AM  

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Kingdome Come was so damn good.
 
2019-03-26 09:28:09 AM  

Dr Dreidel: I also find the "if we kill the Joker, what's to stop us from summarily executing jaywalkers?" trope boring as FAAAAAAAAAARK.


While that's true, there is the problem of organizations that do much accomplish their goals and so they start expanding those goals beyond the original scope.  MADD is usually cited as the prime example of that.  Batman is still a hammer.  He might look at every problem like a nail.
 
2019-03-26 09:28:33 AM  

TheMarchHare: You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: Zach Snyder's Batman couldn't figure out that Superman is the secret identity of a guy called Clark Kent who love's his mom.

How about we leave deciding whether he kills people to someone with some competence at handling the character.

"Instead of having Batman do any kind of detective to work to find out more about who Superman actually is what if I just have him do some CrossFit before fighting him." - Zack Snyder, man who knows Batman.


I thought Goyer was responsible for some of the worst parts of the stupid.  Except the Jesus parallels because god knows Snyder doesn't pretend he isn't responsible for those eyesores.
 
2019-03-26 09:29:53 AM  

That Reilly Monster: Zack just needs to let this shiat go. Move on to your next project, man. WB won't let you near another DC property again no matter what you say about how people just aren't getting your vision.


Snyder's problem is that everybody understood his vision, but nobody wanted it. His fetishistic ultraviolence worked for Watchmen, but it made no sense to apply it to the colorful and campy flagship characters that Watchmen was deconstructing.

About the best I can say for BvS is at least it wasn't as grossly misogynistic as Sucker Punch, though it came close with Martha Kent's kidnapping ordeal. Any DC movie that makes you wish Joel Schumacher had been forgiven and allowed to direct instead is about as big a failure as it gets.
 
2019-03-26 09:31:08 AM  
The DC movie universe right about now:

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2019-03-26 09:42:35 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Dr Dreidel: I also find the "if we kill the Joker, what's to stop us from summarily executing jaywalkers?" trope boring as FAAAAAAAAAARK.

While that's true, there is the problem of organizations that do much accomplish their goals and so they start expanding those goals beyond the original scope.  MADD is usually cited as the prime example of that.  Batman is still a hammer.  He might look at every problem like a nail.


If we assume Bruce is a moron, maybe.

So we're saying once he kills, even once, he's doomed to lose all humanity and become an unstoppable killing machine; but beating the everlasting fark out of a third of Gotham City every month doesn't take a similar toll? Or it does, but we're cool with needing a new hospital wing every time an origin story happens rather than a handful more funerals for serial killers?
 
2019-03-26 09:47:37 AM  

Dr Dreidel: So we're saying once he kills, even once, he's doomed to lose all humanity and become an unstoppable killing machine;


No.
 
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