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2019-03-25 07:20:04 PM  
I love the one amendment they were talking about that said "If we get within 7 days of a no deal we have to do stuff".  Today being the 25th and the deadline being the 29th.  We're within that time frame.

Enough of the MP's need to sit down and acknowledge the simple fact that the only choice at the moment is either a hard Brexit or a revocation of article 50.
 
2019-03-25 07:37:32 PM  

BizarreMan: I love the one amendment they were talking about that said "If we get within 7 days of a no deal we have to do stuff".  Today being the 25th and the deadline being the 29th.  We're within that time frame.

Enough of the MP's need to sit down and acknowledge the simple fact that the only choice at the moment is either a hard Brexit or a revocation of article 50.


The new deadline set by the EU is April 12th, the date by which the UK Government has to decide if we are going to hold a European Parliament election on May 23rd. If they don't we cannot stay after 23rd unless we revoke article 50. If we do hold elections we can ask for a longer deferral.
 
2019-03-25 07:52:19 PM  

jamspoon: BizarreMan: I love the one amendment they were talking about that said "If we get within 7 days of a no deal we have to do stuff".  Today being the 25th and the deadline being the 29th.  We're within that time frame.

Enough of the MP's need to sit down and acknowledge the simple fact that the only choice at the moment is either a hard Brexit or a revocation of article 50.

The new deadline set by the EU is April 12th, the date by which the UK Government has to decide if we are going to hold a European Parliament election on May 23rd. If they don't we cannot stay after 23rd unless we revoke article 50. If we do hold elections we can ask for a longer deferral.


I missed that change in deadlines.  That must have happened over the weekend.
 
2019-03-25 08:19:20 PM  

BizarreMan: jamspoon: BizarreMan: I love the one amendment they were talking about that said "If we get within 7 days of a no deal we have to do stuff".  Today being the 25th and the deadline being the 29th.  We're within that time frame.

Enough of the MP's need to sit down and acknowledge the simple fact that the only choice at the moment is either a hard Brexit or a revocation of article 50.

The new deadline set by the EU is April 12th, the date by which the UK Government has to decide if we are going to hold a European Parliament election on May 23rd. If they don't we cannot stay after 23rd unless we revoke article 50. If we do hold elections we can ask for a longer deferral.

I missed that change in deadlines.  That must have happened over the weekend.


Don't worry. Come May 23-7 the situation won't have changed much
 
2019-03-25 08:22:42 PM  
Well these votes are non-binding. Many Farkers have insisted again and again that non-binding votes can be ignored, so the PM can happily do so.
 
2019-03-25 08:28:01 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Well these votes are non-binding. Many Farkers have insisted again and again that non-binding votes can be ignored, so the PM can happily do so.


Well at least you're out there spinning.

Ever considered turning pro?
 
2019-03-25 08:35:44 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Well these votes are non-binding. Many Farkers have insisted again and again that non-binding votes can be ignored, so the PM can happily do so.


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2019-03-25 08:36:03 PM  

Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Well these votes are non-binding. Many Farkers have insisted again and again that non-binding votes can be ignored, so the PM can happily do so.

Well at least you're out there spinning.

Ever considered turning pro?


At least I'm not the one who claimed there were no pro-EU Tory MPs.....
 
2019-03-25 08:40:30 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Well these votes are non-binding. Many Farkers have insisted again and again that non-binding votes can be ignored, so the PM can happily do so.

Well at least you're out there spinning.

Ever considered turning pro?

At least I'm not the one who claimed there were no pro-EU Tory MPs.....


Yes. You corrected me by listing a number of people who aren't MPs (you listed John Major and I think Hesseltine?). But don't worry, you can work on that.
 
2019-03-25 08:43:47 PM  
So, you're saying I should put all my money into bitcoin?
 
2019-03-25 09:00:27 PM  

jamspoon: BizarreMan: I love the one amendment they were talking about that said "If we get within 7 days of a no deal we have to do stuff".  Today being the 25th and the deadline being the 29th.  We're within that time frame.

Enough of the MP's need to sit down and acknowledge the simple fact that the only choice at the moment is either a hard Brexit or a revocation of article 50.

The new deadline set by the EU is April 12th, the date by which the UK Government has to decide if we are going to hold a European Parliament election on May 23rd. If they don't we cannot stay after 23rd unless we revoke article 50. If we do hold elections we can ask for a longer deferral.


....

....

....I miss the good old days, when international politics was less complicated than that great big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey....


....stuff.
 
2019-03-25 09:06:22 PM  

King Something: jamspoon: BizarreMan: I love the one amendment they were talking about that said "If we get within 7 days of a no deal we have to do stuff".  Today being the 25th and the deadline being the 29th.  We're within that time frame.

Enough of the MP's need to sit down and acknowledge the simple fact that the only choice at the moment is either a hard Brexit or a revocation of article 50.

The new deadline set by the EU is April 12th, the date by which the UK Government has to decide if we are going to hold a European Parliament election on May 23rd. If they don't we cannot stay after 23rd unless we revoke article 50. If we do hold elections we can ask for a longer deferral.

....

....

....I miss the good old days, when international politics was less complicated than that great big ball of wibbly-wobbly... timey-wimey....


....stuff.


I miss the good old days when competent people were leaders of countries.
 
2019-03-25 09:07:25 PM  
Remember when the French were the indecisive ones?
 
2019-03-25 09:10:41 PM  
As an American, I really have no place to judge others, but... what the fark is wrong with you Brits?
 
2019-03-25 09:11:35 PM  
By the way, King Something, fit's the crack when you do your "We" posts? I've never quite got that.

/And are your nipple hairs still standing on end?
//;D
 
2019-03-25 09:17:20 PM  

iron de havilland: By the way, King Something, fit's the crack when you do your "We" posts? I've never quite got that.

/And are your nipple hairs still standing on end?
//;D


A reference to a tweet Trump made and subsequently deleted, which consisted of naught but the word "We"; and the latter generally only happens during some of the more action-packed Formula One races.
 
2019-03-25 09:21:41 PM  

King Something: iron de havilland: By the way, King Something, fit's the crack when you do your "We" posts? I've never quite got that.

/And are your nipple hairs still standing on end?
//;D

A reference to a tweet Trump made and subsequently deleted, which consisted of naught but the word "We"; and the latter generally only happens during some of the more action-packed Formula One races.


I regret that I will miss your nipple hair status this year since Liberty moved F1 coverage to pay TV :(
 
2019-03-25 09:35:46 PM  
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What kind of genre of music would the band "nipple hair status" be involved in?
 
2019-03-25 10:51:44 PM  
So has anyone declared whether Russia legit interfered in the election? Is it possible Brexit wasn't really voted for?
 
2019-03-25 10:53:38 PM  

freakay: So has anyone declared whether Russia legit interfered in the election? Is it possible Brexit wasn't really voted for?


I don't think it has been officially declared.  But well.
 
2019-03-25 11:07:08 PM  

Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Gubbo: Carter Pewterschmidt: Well these votes are non-binding. Many Farkers have insisted again and again that non-binding votes can be ignored, so the PM can happily do so.

Well at least you're out there spinning.

Ever considered turning pro?

At least I'm not the one who claimed there were no pro-EU Tory MPs.....

Yes. You corrected me by listing a number of people who aren't MPs (you listed John Major and I think Hesseltine?). But don't worry, you can work on that.


The majority of Conservative MPs voted to Remain. 184 to 139.

I listed Major and Heseltine as "Tory old guard", IIRC it was in a comment about despite the image of Leavers being old and Remainers being young my point was the staunchest Remainers were those oldies while most of the Leavers are the younger ones.

Compared to someone trying to comment on Brexit who didn't think there were any pro-EU Tories that is not in the same league. That's like me commenting on a US politics thread and saying "Are there any Republicans against universal healthcare?" or "Hillary and Trump are friends, right?"
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2019-03-25 11:09:25 PM  
Unfortunately this won't work, any alternative would need to be voted for by all 27 members of the EU and that isn't going to happen.
 
2019-03-25 11:15:12 PM  

SoupGuru: As an American, I really have no place to judge others, but... what the fark is wrong with you Brits?


Well, you celebrate your country getting independence every 4th of July. Don't you think other countries might want to get/keep their independence? For the US revolting against the British was a huge move, pissing off the worlds most powerful navy and biggest trading empire. But it worked out okay for you in the long run. The is, make no mistake, a United States of Europe in progress. It has a President (several actually), a flag, an anthem, a parliament, a civil service, a supreme court, it makes laws, negotiates trade deals and orders member countries around (ask Ireland about their Apple tax). They're even planning their own army, a pan European military under direct EU command.

That's a country. And the UK has chose to stay outside and independent. Any American should respect that choice. It amazes me so many Americans of Fark, and elsewhere, happily celebrate the 4th of July but then tell the UK to sit down and shut up and accept becoming a mere region of a bigger country.

I'm sure there were many Americans making the same "Are you mad?" comments at those starting your revolution.
 
2019-03-25 11:22:21 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Well, you celebrate your country getting independence every 4th of July. Don't you think other countries might want to get/keep their independence?


See, that's the exact point where you show your inability to grasp the world as it is right now.

Most people manage to get along with each other.

Yet, you demand that people hate each other. That's your thing. That's Nigel Farage's thing.

The concept of chilling with anyone else is alien to these knobs.

Unfortunately, it seems Brexit may be unrevocable, but, ffs, I hope sanity can prevail.

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2019-03-25 11:23:00 PM  

freakay: So has anyone declared whether Russia legit interfered in the election? Is it possible Brexit wasn't really voted for?


As I have said before Putin actually had huge reasons to be against Brexit, not for it.

For years the EU has been talking about creating its own army, a single unified pan European force under direct, single, EU command. This would be able to respond far faster and with greater power than the current forces, where at any provocation all national leaders must arrange a meeting and then discuss and agree any response, with maybe a bunch of countries saying no. A unified EU command able to respond to any Russian action would be very much not in Putin's interest.

And what was stopping the EU Army? The UK, which as one of the most powerful and professional armies in Europe, and a key NATO member, was strongly against the EU army and vetoed it.

With Brexit happening the EU is now moving ahead.

So why would Putin want Brexit when he knows it will lead to a huge powerful EU army?
There's no suggestion of abandoning or lessening NATO. In fact common training, equipment, weapons etc should increase the effectiveness of the force.
 
2019-03-25 11:25:30 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: So why would Putin want Brexit when he knows it will lead to a huge powerful EU army?


Seek help, friend.
 
2019-03-25 11:32:12 PM  

Xai: Unfortunately this won't work, any alternative would need to be voted for by all 27 members of the EU and that isn't going to happen.


Hence these votes being advisory.They can vote for anything they want. If the EU doesn't agree then that's it. The only deal the EU are saying they will accept is the deal Parliament have already voted against twice.
 
2019-03-25 11:33:15 PM  
I love Parliament.

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2019-03-25 11:35:57 PM  
FTA: It means MPs will get a series of votes on Wednesday to find out what kind of Brexit they will support.

Prime Minister Theresa May has said there is no guarantee she will abide by their decision.


Ha ha. WTF, Britain. What kind of grabass is this?
 
2019-03-25 11:37:59 PM  

iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: So why would Putin want Brexit when he knows it will lead to a huge powerful EU army?

Seek help, friend.


So, no answer to that?

Because Jean Claude Junker is saying the exact same thing I just said.
Create an EU army to keep back the Russians, Jean-Claude Juncker suggests
European Commission president says pooling Europe's defence resources could help send a message to Vladimir Putin
"Such an army would help us to build a common foreign and national security policy, and to collectively take on Europe's responsibilities in the world," Mr Junker said.
He added: "It would show Russia that we are serious when it comes to defending the value of the European Union."
The article even confirms that the UK was against it.

It's not many Brexit threads where I agree with Junker....
 
2019-03-25 11:41:13 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: So, no answer to that?


You could read up on exactly why malevolent forces have chosen to separate the UK from the best union we've ever been in.

But if you understood that, you wouldn't be supporting Farage, Gove, Johnson et. al.
 
2019-03-25 11:42:16 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: FTA: It means MPs will get a series of votes on Wednesday to find out what kind of Brexit they will support.

Prime Minister Theresa May has said there is no guarantee she will abide by their decision.

Ha ha. WTF, Britain. What kind of grabass is this?


It's a bit like Trump being able to use Executive Orders to do things that Congress doesn't want. The Prime Minister is in charge of the executive. There are things Parliament can do and things they can only advise.

It's ironic that the very people desperately trying to avoid a hard no-deal Brexit are the same ones who fought for Parliament to get a vote on the deal. Thay got that vote, and voted against it, possibly leading to a no-deal exit.

Had they not fought for that vote Theresa May could have just signed that deal with the EU and it would have been sorted months ago.
 
2019-03-25 11:45:46 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: FTA: It means MPs will get a series of votes on Wednesday to find out what kind of Brexit they will support.

Prime Minister Theresa May has said there is no guarantee she will abide by their decision.

Ha ha. WTF, Britain. What kind of grabass is this?

It's a bit like Trump being able to use Executive Orders to do things that Congress doesn't want. The Prime Minister is in charge of the executive. There are things Parliament can do and things they can only advise.


It's a parliamentary system. It doesn't work the same way.
 
2019-03-25 11:47:44 PM  

iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: So, no answer to that?

You could read up on exactly why malevolent forces have chosen to separate the UK from the best union we've ever been in.

But if you understood that, you wouldn't be supporting Farage, Gove, Johnson et. al.


So, you're just going to ignore the facts, and Junkers clear comments, about Brexit directly leading to the creation of a huge EU army that will be able to stand up to any action Putin might take? And the question of why Putin would want that?

If Putin interfered in the Brexit vote it was far more likely he supported Remain.

Putin doesn't care about the UK economy doing a few percent better or worse. He cares about things like NATO, and the UK is still utterly committed to NATO, and will be alongside any future EU army. There are British troops in the Baltics right now.
 
2019-03-25 11:48:51 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Carter Pewterschmidt: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: FTA: It means MPs will get a series of votes on Wednesday to find out what kind of Brexit they will support.

Prime Minister Theresa May has said there is no guarantee she will abide by their decision.

Ha ha. WTF, Britain. What kind of grabass is this?

It's a bit like Trump being able to use Executive Orders to do things that Congress doesn't want. The Prime Minister is in charge of the executive. There are things Parliament can do and things they can only advise.

It's a parliamentary system. It doesn't work the same way.


Hence why I said "a bit like".
 
2019-03-25 11:53:39 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: So, no answer to that?

You could read up on exactly why malevolent forces have chosen to separate the UK from the best union we've ever been in.

But if you understood that, you wouldn't be supporting Farage, Gove, Johnson et. al.

So, you're just going to ignore the facts, and Junkers clear comments, about Brexit directly leading to the creation of a huge EU army that will be able to stand up to any action Putin might take? And the question of why Putin would want that?

If Putin interfered in the Brexit vote it was far more likely he supported Remain.


This is just clownshoes reasoning, bro. Putin clearly wants Brexit and that's why he supported his toadies like Farange. What you're interpreting as the EU's response as anything like what Putin might have expected is so brainless it beggars belief. A larger EU force is easily worth the destruction of the UK, anyway.
 
2019-03-25 11:55:52 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: So why would Putin want Brexit when he knows it will lead to a huge powerful EU army?

Seek help, friend.

So, no answer to that?

Because Jean Claude Junker is saying the exact same thing I just said.
Create an EU army to keep back the Russians, Jean-Claude Juncker suggests
European Commission president says pooling Europe's defence resources could help send a message to Vladimir Putin
"Such an army would help us to build a common foreign and national security policy, and to collectively take on Europe's responsibilities in the world," Mr Junker said.
He added: "It would show Russia that we are serious when it comes to defending the value of the European Union."
The article even confirms that the UK was against it.

It's not many Brexit threads where I agree with Junker....


Go fark yourself.

Your rhetoric is why the UK is going down the shiatter right now.

You believe that Nigel Farage, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Jacob Rees-Mogg are worthy of flushing this country down the shiatter.

You had the chance of defending this country against those morons, yet you chose to defend idiots against that.

We're all going to suffer after Nigel Farage forces us to live under his rule.
 
2019-03-25 11:57:12 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: So, no answer to that?

You could read up on exactly why malevolent forces have chosen to separate the UK from the best union we've ever been in.

But if you understood that, you wouldn't be supporting Farage, Gove, Johnson et. al.

So, you're just going to ignore the facts, and Junkers clear comments, about Brexit directly leading to the creation of a huge EU army that will be able to stand up to any action Putin might take? And the question of why Putin would want that?

If Putin interfered in the Brexit vote it was far more likely he supported Remain.

Putin doesn't care about the UK economy doing a few percent better or worse. He cares about things like NATO, and the UK is still utterly committed to NATO, and will be alongside any future EU army. There are British troops in the Baltics right now.


Can they shut you up, yet?
 
2019-03-26 12:23:50 AM  

iron de havilland: I miss the good old days when competent people were leaders of countries.


Happy 112th birthday!
 
2019-03-26 12:26:54 AM  
Strong and stable leadership.

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2019-03-26 12:34:27 AM  

NewportBarGuy: So, you're saying I should put all my money into bitcoin?


Bitcoin is useless if you have no fuel for the electrical power turbines.
 
2019-03-26 12:37:07 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Strong and stable leadership.

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Looks like the Trump resignations. Almost like the Anglo-American conservative traditions can no longer run functional governments. Just a thought.
 
2019-03-26 12:38:48 AM  
Cancel it. It's wiser to be part of a conglomerate to deal China and India, who are both expanding, and Russia, who's a mafia state.
 
2019-03-26 12:44:12 AM  
When all is said and done, folks, I hope that some of you remember your pagan roots, and make an attempt to have your trees bear fruit.
You can start with idiot of the commonwealth nigel farage, and include others as needed.

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2019-03-26 12:44:29 AM  
"Have you got anything without Brexit?"
"Well, there's Brexit egg sausage and Brexit, that's not got much Brexit in it."
"I don't want ANY Brexit!"
 
2019-03-26 12:50:32 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: iron de havilland: Carter Pewterschmidt: So, no answer to that?

You could read up on exactly why malevolent forces have chosen to separate the UK from the best union we've ever been in.

But if you understood that, you wouldn't be supporting Farage, Gove, Johnson et. al.

So, you're just going to ignore the facts, and Junkers clear comments, about Brexit directly leading to the creation of a huge EU army that will be able to stand up to any action Putin might take? And the question of why Putin would want that?

If Putin interfered in the Brexit vote it was far more likely he supported Remain.

Putin doesn't care about the UK economy doing a few percent better or worse. He cares about things like NATO, and the UK is still utterly committed to NATO, and will be alongside any future EU army. There are British troops in the Baltics right now.


Some points you're not addressing here:

1.  An EU military without The UK's contribution would be weaker than it would be with the UK.
2.  Since you've already shown comparisons to the United States are acceptable;  If the UK leaves the EU it will weaken the perception of the EU as a unified front in the same way allowing the Confederate states to secede would have weakened the perception of the USA as a nation.
3.  Brexit would prove that it is possible to use disinformation campaigns to get rival states to "voluntarily" change their policies in ways that are favorable to you or simply unfavorable to themselves.
 
2019-03-26 12:54:39 AM  
Is this Plan B D E F 3.01(version2) of The completely well planned Brexit rollout?
 
2019-03-26 12:55:53 AM  
The one thing everyone can agree on: Britain can't get it's shiat together.
 
2019-03-26 01:00:02 AM  

SoupGuru: As an American, I really have no place to judge others, but... what the fark is wrong with you Brits?


Like many times in history, the Brits were simply ahead of us in our own "national" thinking.  Brexit voters are very similar to Trump voters by demographics.  The older, less educated, less urban you were, the more likely you voted for Brexit (or Trump).  The Trump/Brexiteer voters were targeted with almost the same ideas: fear and bullshiat.
 
2019-03-26 01:00:02 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: SoupGuru: As an American, I really have no place to judge others, but... what the fark is wrong with you Brits?

Well, you celebrate your country getting independence every 4th of July. Don't you think other countries might want to get/keep their independence? For the US revolting against the British was a huge move, pissing off the worlds most powerful navy and biggest trading empire. But it worked out okay for you in the long run. The is, make no mistake, a United States of Europe in progress. It has a President (several actually), a flag, an anthem, a parliament, a civil service, a supreme court, it makes laws, negotiates trade deals and orders member countries around (ask Ireland about their Apple tax). They're even planning their own army, a pan European military under direct EU command.

That's a country. And the UK has chose to stay outside and independent. Any American should respect that choice. It amazes me so many Americans of Fark, and elsewhere, happily celebrate the 4th of July but then tell the UK to sit down and shut up and accept becoming a mere region of a bigger country.

I'm sure there were many Americans making the same "Are you mad?" comments at those starting your revolution.


Yeah, who wants to be a country inside a country? Do you feel the same about Scotland or Northern Ireland within the UK?
 
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