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2019-03-25 09:32:43 AM  
The revisionists will only be emboldened by this conclusion to the probe.  But hell, why not?  The lies and lying liars who lie them are constantly getting away with it.
 
2019-03-25 10:03:21 AM  
It pays to lie your ass off, apparently.

Such a fine example to set for the rest of the country.
 
2019-03-25 10:39:06 AM  
Meh. Who knows? Maybe the whole reason Barr stated "no collusion" in his summary was because the actual crime of "conspiracy" is still being investigated.
 
2019-03-25 10:41:49 AM  

gopher321: Barr stated "no collusion" in his summary


I don't think "collusion" is a term that lawyers would use in a legal sense, so Barr is probably correct that the word "collusion" appears nowhere in the report.
 
2019-03-25 11:11:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: gopher321: Barr stated "no collusion" in his summary

I don't think "collusion" is a term that lawyers would use in a legal sense, so Barr is probably correct that the word "collusion" appears nowhere in the report.


Ding Ding Ding Ding.  You are correct sir., Keep a close eye on lawyer types in the coming weeks. Especially the ones who specialize in national security.
 
2019-03-25 11:17:29 AM  

gopher321: Meh. Who knows? Maybe the whole reason Barr stated "no collusion" in his summary was because the actual crime of "conspiracy" is still being investigated.


Apparently, it's only a conspiracy if two or more work hand in glove.

The Trump team holding meetings with Russian officials or their stooges when they were too dumb to realize they were being worked isn't conspiracy. Just (willful?) ignorance and a blatant disregard for the responsibilities of the highest office in the land.

So, like bribery, because there's no record of a) Trump or anyone in his orbit asking the Russians for help, b) no one on the Russia side saying "per our collusion agreement...", or c) acknowledgement of the firmness of the Russia->WL/Assange->Stone->Trump message path*, you can't definitively prove corrupt intent.

// or any intent at all, beyond "does this hurt the Democrats?"
// so it's apparently OK to work with a foreign government to subvert the integrity of our elections, but not to PLAN to work with a foreign government to subvert the integrity of our elections
* we all know that's how the info flowed, we just don't know if it was planned that way from the start
 
2019-03-25 11:17:48 AM  
Despite what you may think, Chris Wallace is fair and balanced.
 
2019-03-25 11:17:50 AM  
Jason Chaffez is a piece of sh*t.
 
2019-03-25 11:18:11 AM  
Why is it so hard to hold these assholes to account? I'm glad Fox News (of all places) mocked this numb-nutsery, but it's bigger than one guy, and nothing'll happen to him outside of getting laughed at.
 
2019-03-25 11:20:29 AM  

Diogenes: The revisionists will only be emboldened by this conclusion to the probe.  But hell, why not?  The lies and lying liars who lie them are constantly getting away with it.


It would be different if they were some poor homeless guy with an ounce of weed. We have to keep an eye on the real criminals destroying America.
 
2019-03-25 11:20:42 AM  
The Barr has been lowered and truth has been barred.  History is written by the winners... or is it whiners?  But they've been prepping for this for awhile and now are coordinating the newest draft.
 
2019-03-25 11:22:37 AM  
Jason Chaffetz mocks himself by his very existence.
 
2019-03-25 11:22:58 AM  
Kangaroo_Ralph:

Despite what you may think, Chris Wallace is fair and balanced.

He certainly tries and sometimes succeeds.
 
2019-03-25 11:28:49 AM  
I'm left with the following questions, if we can take Barr's summary at face value (I don't).

If we've concluded that Russia meddled in the 2016 election (which we have) why has this administration done literally everything possible to not only avoid punishing Russia, but actively protect them?

Why has Trump had secret meetings (plural) with Putin and not shared the transcripts?  Why was Trump meeting with Russians in the Oval Office, again with no American media present?

Do you know how easy it would have been for the administration TWO YEARS AGO to agree that Russia meddled in our election and immediately disavow Putin and his operatives?  There's a reason they haven't done anything close to that.

This isn't over.
 
2019-03-25 11:31:51 AM  

Diogenes: Jason Chaffetz mocks himself by his very existence.


He must be applying for a job in the White House.
 
2019-03-25 11:33:57 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Despite what you may think, Chris Wallace is fair and balanced.


Your ilk here are spinning this constantly about how any further pushing on Mueller or the investigation will look bad on the Democrats. Meanwhile, Republicans and Fox News are apparently butting heads about the talking points.

Democrats will do their job and investigate. Republicans will whine and cry, and look like fools because they can't get their talking points down, like we're seeing niw, and what we saw concerning the bill condemning hatred.

It's becoming more and more clear that a certain group of the GOP are terrified and spinning as fast and in whatever direction they can to not look like criminals. The rest of the GOP should probably cut ties with them before the other investigations start to wrap up.
 
2019-03-25 11:34:27 AM  
Barr was appointed because he wrote an op-ed about how Trump didn't obstruct justice when he fired Comey. It shouldn't surprise anyone that he has declined to recommend charges related to obstruction of justice (the best he could say was "it doesn't paint him as guilty or innocent, but I think he's innocent so I'm not looking into it.") The House of Representatives doesn't need Barr's blessing to investigate and determine if there's enough evidence of a crime to prosecute. Guess what that process is called?

This isn't the beginning of the end. This is the end of the beginning.
 
2019-03-25 11:34:49 AM  

Diogenes: The revisionists will only be emboldened by this conclusion to the probe.  But hell, why not?  The lies and lying liars who lie them are constantly getting away with it.


We're talking about people who revised the Civil War to be about states rights and not about slavery. Revising this will be nothing to those aholes.
 
2019-03-25 11:34:51 AM  

Dr Dreidel: gopher321: Meh. Who knows? Maybe the whole reason Barr stated "no collusion" in his summary was because the actual crime of "conspiracy" is still being investigated.

Apparently, it's only a conspiracy if two or more work hand in glove.

The Trump team holding meetings with Russian officials or their stooges when they were too dumb to realize they were being worked isn't conspiracy. Just (willful?) ignorance and a blatant disregard for the responsibilities of the highest office in the land.

So, like bribery, because there's no record of a) Trump or anyone in his orbit asking the Russians for help, b) no one on the Russia side saying "per our collusion agreement...", or c) acknowledgement of the firmness of the Russia->WL/Assange->Stone->Trump message path*, you can't definitively prove corrupt intent.

// or any intent at all, beyond "does this hurt the Democrats?"
// so it's apparently OK to work with a foreign government to subvert the integrity of our elections, but not to PLAN to work with a foreign government to subvert the integrity of our elections
* we all know that's how the info flowed, we just don't know if it was planned that way from the start


John Barron, Donald Trump, David Dennison that's three people, right?
 
2019-03-25 11:35:54 AM  

Diogenes: The revisionists will only be emboldened by this conclusion to the probe.  But hell, why not?  The lies and lying liars who lie them are constantly getting away with it.


I didn't make it back to that other thread in time to answer you back.  I live in the Conway area, SE of downtown.
 
2019-03-25 11:37:16 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: I'm left with the following questions, if we can take Barr's summary at face value (I don't).

If we've concluded that Russia meddled in the 2016 election (which we have) why has this administration done literally everything possible to not only avoid punishing Russia, but actively protect them?

Why has Trump had secret meetings (plural) with Putin and not shared the transcripts?  Why was Trump meeting with Russians in the Oval Office, again with no American media present?

Do you know how easy it would have been for the administration TWO YEARS AGO to agree that Russia meddled in our election and immediately disavow Putin and his operatives?  There's a reason they haven't done anything close to that.

This isn't over.


This right here.
 
2019-03-25 11:38:57 AM  
Presumably Mueller has also uncovered all sorts of shady financial stuff and evidence of non-collusiony crimes that's being shared with relevant authorities?
 
2019-03-25 11:39:29 AM  

RabidRythmDivas: Diogenes: The revisionists will only be emboldened by this conclusion to the probe.  But hell, why not?  The lies and lying liars who lie them are constantly getting away with it.

I didn't make it back to that other thread in time to answer you back.  I live in the Conway area, SE of downtown.


Ah!  My office is near there.  TG Lee Blvd off Semoran.
 
2019-03-25 11:42:39 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Despite what you may think, Chris Wallace is fair and balanced.


Ding!

tnpir: Jason Chaffez is a piece of sh*t.


Ding!
 
2019-03-25 11:44:39 AM  

Diogenes: The revisionists will only be emboldened by this conclusion to the probe.  But hell, why not?  The lies and lying liars who lie them are constantly getting away with it.


They are literally going with "Trump's critics must resign because this proves they are liars and the American people deserve honesty from their representatives."

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2019-03-25 11:45:05 AM  
I really like Chris Wallce and it makes me wonder why the hell he chooses to work for Fox and why the hell does he still have a position there.  I mean, he's literally the only one (i've ever seen) call out these people on a reg basis.
 
2019-03-25 11:47:27 AM  

Diogenes: RabidRythmDivas: Diogenes: The revisionists will only be emboldened by this conclusion to the probe.  But hell, why not?  The lies and lying liars who lie them are constantly getting away with it.

I didn't make it back to that other thread in time to answer you back.  I live in the Conway area, SE of downtown.

Ah!  My office is near there.  TG Lee Blvd off Semoran.


HA! And I work on John Young Blvd, not too far from Dr. Philips!
 
2019-03-25 11:48:01 AM  
Republicans: As always, gracious in victory.
 
2019-03-25 11:48:42 AM  

LeroyBourne: I really like Chris Wallce and it makes me wonder why the hell he chooses to work for Fox and why the hell does he still have a position there.  I mean, he's literally the only one (i've ever seen) call out these people on a reg basis.


He lends some journalistic integrity to a swamp otherwise devoid of it.  It's a good gig if you can stay in your lane.
 
2019-03-25 11:50:55 AM  
Despite what you may think

An exercise Ralph is usually quite successful at avoiding.
 
2019-03-25 11:51:02 AM  

emersonbiggins: LeroyBourne: I really like Chris Wallce and it makes me wonder why the hell he chooses to work for Fox and why the hell does he still have a position there.  I mean, he's literally the only one (i've ever seen) call out these people on a reg basis.

He lends some journalistic integrity to a swamp otherwise devoid of it.  It's a good gig if you can stay in your lane.


Yeah, but apparently Trump is getting annoyed with the Fox News people who try to do something that is at least in the vicinity of real news.
 
2019-03-25 11:54:22 AM  

tnpir: Jason Chaffez is a piece of sh*t.


Remember, it was Chaffetz who took Comey's communique and ran with it for partisan gain.  He was the principal perpetrator in the October Surprise.
 
2019-03-25 11:54:45 AM  

Lady J: Presumably Mueller has also uncovered all sorts of shady financial stuff and evidence of non-collusiony crimes that's being shared with relevant authorities?


Does it matter? Honestly, at this point, if you can't prove Trump lied, then no one lied. Ever. About anything. Even if he did, it was classified, or privileged, or someone else corroborates his lies, or... forget it. Just let him do whatever he wants--he'll do it anyway. None of it matters anymore.
 
2019-03-25 11:54:47 AM  
For those without video access:

Chaffetz: FISA Court!

Wallace: Wrong, Trump fired Comey. Trump SAID "It's the Russia thing."

Chaffetz: But at one point in time some Democrats wanted to fire Comey!

Wallace: Trump fired Comey because of his involvement in the Russia investigation, not because he was mean to Hillary.

Chaffetz: But Rosenstein sent a memo outlining reasons that Comey could be fired.

Wallace: Trump had already decided to fire Comey. He told Lester Holt that. The memo was just cover.

Chaffetz: But the President has a constitutional right to fire Comey.

Wallace: Depends on the reasons. Trump said he did it because of Russia.

Chaffetz: Don't trust your lying eyes! The tape exonerates Trump. Even conservative pundit Britt Hume says so!

Wallace. Wrong. Watch the tape.

Chaffetz: To recap: Constitutional right. Dems hate Comey. Don't trust your eyes. No collusion. Witch hunt.
 
2019-03-25 11:58:53 AM  
So mr "we've got investigations lined up for the next 4 years" all of a sudden has a problem with investigations. Huh, funny that.
 
2019-03-25 12:01:21 PM  

LeroyBourne: I really like Chris Wallce and it makes me wonder why the hell he chooses to work for Fox and why the hell does he still have a position there.  I mean, he's literally the only one (i've ever seen) call out these people on a reg basis.


There's Shep Smith, Juan Williams, and Chris. That's it.  I think they have embraced their roles as a duty to the integrity of the job despite the flak. There is no way to defeat hell but to march into the belly of the beast.
 
2019-03-25 12:02:31 PM  

RobotSpider: Lady J: Presumably Mueller has also uncovered all sorts of shady financial stuff and evidence of non-collusiony crimes that's being shared with relevant authorities?

Does it matter? Honestly, at this point, if you can't prove Trump lied, then no one lied. Ever. About anything. Even if he did, it was classified, or privileged, or someone else corroborates his lies, or... forget it. Just let him do whatever he wants--he'll do it anyway. None of it matters anymore.


It's not really about 'proving he lied'. What about money laundering and shiat like that?
 
2019-03-25 12:13:57 PM  
The mocking of Jason Chaffetz should have started the moment his forehead crowned at birth from his mother's filth.
 
2019-03-25 01:38:29 PM  

Lady J: RobotSpider: Lady J: Presumably Mueller has also uncovered all sorts of shady financial stuff and evidence of non-collusiony crimes that's being shared with relevant authorities?

Does it matter? Honestly, at this point, if you can't prove Trump lied, then no one lied. Ever. About anything. Even if he did, it was classified, or privileged, or someone else corroborates his lies, or... forget it. Just let him do whatever he wants--he'll do it anyway. None of it matters anymore.

It's not really about 'proving he lied'. What about money laundering and shiat like that?


I guess I include that in the lying since, obviously, he lied about that too. I guess my point is, if the conspiracy is big enough, then you can never prove anything. I'll still never understand how "Russia, if you're listening, get those missing emails" isn't conspiracy against a US political party. The only difference is, he did it in plain sight.
 
2019-03-25 01:44:56 PM  

Lady J: RobotSpider: Lady J: Presumably Mueller has also uncovered all sorts of shady financial stuff and evidence of non-collusiony crimes that's being shared with relevant authorities?

Does it matter? Honestly, at this point, if you can't prove Trump lied, then no one lied. Ever. About anything. Even if he did, it was classified, or privileged, or someone else corroborates his lies, or... forget it. Just let him do whatever he wants--he'll do it anyway. None of it matters anymore.

It's not really about 'proving he lied'. What about money laundering and shiat like that?


And that's why I'd like to see the NYAG perp walk Lil' I'm Eric out of Trump Tower for financial shenanigans at the Trump Non-Profit Scam.
 
2019-03-25 03:33:25 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: I'm left with the following questions, if we can take Barr's summary at face value (I don't).

If we've concluded that Russia meddled in the 2016 election (which we have) why has this administration done literally everything possible to not only avoid punishing Russia, but actively protect them?

Why has Trump had secret meetings (plural) with Putin and not shared the transcripts?  Why was Trump meeting with Russians in the Oval Office, again with no American media present?

Do you know how easy it would have been for the administration TWO YEARS AGO to agree that Russia meddled in our election and immediately disavow Putin and his operatives?  There's a reason they haven't done anything close to that.

This isn't over.


Why did D2S draft the cover story on the plane regarding Don Jr.'s meeting with the Russians?  Why did that lawyer on the plane resign shortly afterwards?  Why the change in the Republican platform?  What was Nunes' role in communicating info about the investigation to the WH?

/You're right, shiat ain't over.
 
2019-03-25 03:42:13 PM  

RobotSpider: Lady J: RobotSpider: Lady J: Presumably Mueller has also uncovered all sorts of shady financial stuff and evidence of non-collusiony crimes that's being shared with relevant authorities?

Does it matter? Honestly, at this point, if you can't prove Trump lied, then no one lied. Ever. About anything. Even if he did, it was classified, or privileged, or someone else corroborates his lies, or... forget it. Just let him do whatever he wants--he'll do it anyway. None of it matters anymore.

It's not really about 'proving he lied'. What about money laundering and shiat like that?

I guess I include that in the lying since, obviously, he lied about that too. I guess my point is, if the conspiracy is big enough, then you can never prove anything. I'll still never understand how "Russia, if you're listening, get those missing emails" isn't conspiracy against a US political party. The only difference is, he did it in plain sight.


Yep, because immediately afterward Russia/Wiki released the emails they'd stolen.  Maybe there was an agreement among those close to D2S to not directly involve him, the so-called plausible deniability standard, and D2S didn't directly ask anyone to do anything.  There was a reason he agreed to take on Manafort, who asked for no money, and I'm sure that D2S is smart enough to know with those types of people nothing is offered for "free" - mainly because he *is* one of those people - and there was some sort of quid pro quo going on that he was just smart enough to know not to ask too many questions about.  Still, I'm sure that he knows deep down there were behind the scenes shady shiat was being done in his name, and he was cool with that.
 
2019-03-26 09:11:01 AM  

Weird Hal: Kangaroo_Ralph:

Despite what you may think, Chris Wallace is fair and balanced.

He certainly tries and sometimes succeeds.


He and Shep Smith are actually hard on republicans sometimes, and fair to democrats, sometimes.
Unlike most of NPR which has taken a significant hard right turn since about 2014.
I'm at the point where I trust Shep Smith more than I trust ATC.
 
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