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2019-03-25 09:48:10 AM  
My "ghost orbital laser" beats your "ghost flamethrower" any day...
 
2019-03-25 10:55:53 AM  
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WHAT GHOST GUNS MAY LOOK LIKE

 
2019-03-25 02:21:39 PM  
Ghost peppers are the most dangerous ghost thing.
 
2019-03-25 02:23:04 PM  
Looks like New Jersey is about to get ghostslapped with the ghost Commerce Clause in ghost federal court.
 
2019-03-25 02:24:03 PM  
You can have my ghost gun when you pry it from my cold, dead ghost fingers.
 
2019-03-25 02:24:30 PM  
LOL, good luck trying to ban things that aren't firearms NJ. You can't ban chunks of aluminum, and firearms parts (except the serialized portion usually) aren't firearms and can't be banned as such. You really going to try and ban roll pins, springs and metal tubes? farking idiots.
 
2019-03-25 02:24:55 PM  
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They have their uses.
 
2019-03-25 02:25:04 PM  
Fark Gun ThreadTM
 
2019-03-25 02:25:11 PM  
Gun nuts: 80% recievers are just a lump of metal and you'd need an expert gunsmith with specialized tools to make it into a working gun, so it's insane to ban them
also gun nuts: it's insane to ban AR-15's because anybody can buy an 80% reciever and with a few simple machine tools somebody can easily make a working gun
 
2019-03-25 02:26:16 PM  
Huh, I thought this shiat was made illegal in California already. Shows how much I've been paying attention.
 
2019-03-25 02:26:48 PM  
"Companies sell the nearly complete weapons, often along with the parts needed to finish them, as well as training so the firearms can be completed."

So, the companies doesn't sell firearms.

What then, NJ, are they doing that is actually illegal?
 
2019-03-25 02:27:20 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: Looks like New Jersey is about to get ghostslapped with the ghost Commerce Clause in ghost federal court.


You mean like states that ban gravity knives switch blades etc who have successfully prosecuted  people who have shipped prohibited weapons into the state?
 
2019-03-25 02:28:50 PM  

Magorn: Gun nuts: 80% recievers are just a lump of metal and you'd need an expert gunsmith with specialized tools to make it into a working gun, so it's insane to ban them
also gun nuts: it's insane to ban AR-15's because anybody can buy an 80% reciever and with a few simple machine tools somebody can easily make a working gun


So, how do you propose to ban something that is only legally defined by being "not a gun"?

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2019-03-25 02:30:25 PM  
Look at this f*cking genius:

Anti-Gun Senator Kevin De Leon Makes a Fool of Himself
Youtube iJmFEv6BHM0
 
2019-03-25 02:31:04 PM  
Often times it isn't worth companies from fighting this sort of thing in court, for a small company it would eat all their profits up. That is what NJ knows and is hoping they do. There are already a bunch of companies that won't ship perfectly legal items to all or parts of CA,MA,NJ,IL,NY,CT
Due to the fact that they got a strongly worded letter from the AG and it's just not worth it. Or their are so many laws that often change, they don't want to deal.
 
2019-03-25 02:31:05 PM  
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New Jersey Car
 
2019-03-25 02:32:29 PM  
U.S. Patriot Armory

When exactly did the murder of fellow citizens you disagree with politically become a patriotic duty? I'm sure it was right around when Obama was elected. I know that was when the Oath Keepers were formed.
 
2019-03-25 02:32:40 PM  

sugar_fetus: "Companies sell the nearly complete weapons, often along with the parts needed to finish them, as well as training so the firearms can be completed."

So, the companies doesn't sell firearms.

What then, NJ, are they doing that is actually illegal?


You seem to be suffering from the common misunderstanding that things are illegal before a law is made.  Or that the law is somehow made to define the fact that something is illegal.  If NJ wanted to make owning more than a pound of ingot aluminium without a license illegal they could and they wouldn't have to justify it in any way other than dealing with the economic and enforcement realities of that law.
 
2019-03-25 02:33:26 PM  
cant wait till they find out a zipgun can be built in a local hardware store. before long only foam plumbing supplys will be available because people might get hurt...
 
2019-03-25 02:34:08 PM  

Magorn: You mean like states that ban gravity knives switch blades etc who have successfully prosecuted people who have shipped prohibited weapons into the state?


It's more along the line of selling the parts to make your own gravity knife with some machining skills and tools... except if you have a permit to own a gravity knife and you're buying parts to fix a gravity knife you own already that is pre gravity ban.
Other than that totally the same.
 
2019-03-25 02:34:20 PM  

Burr: [img.fark.net image 675x900]

New Jersey Car


that's 80% of a car?
 
2019-03-25 02:36:44 PM  
veMagorn: Burr: [img.fark.net image 675x900]

New Jersey Car

that's 80% of a car?


Take it out of the car and see what happens.
 
2019-03-25 02:37:53 PM  

Magorn: Burr: [img.fark.net image 675x900]

New Jersey Car

that's 80% of a car?


by weight?  i am sure it has an 8 in it somewhere,..  like maybe .08, which is really just 80 backwards,. but its close enough for government work
 
2019-03-25 02:38:27 PM  
Are ghost guns the ghosts of dead guns or are they guns used by ghosts?

Not to re-open the famous ghost pirate debate. Well, maybe just a scootch.
 
2019-03-25 02:40:05 PM  
Here, is this better?

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/I mean, you could count the engine as 20%
//but guess what it's not going to do
 
2019-03-25 02:45:50 PM  

SnowPeas: cant wait till they find out a zipgun can be built in a local hardware store. before long only foam plumbing supplys will be available because people might get hurt...


zip guns built from hardware store supplies are about as dangerous as any number of other things built from hardware store supplies.  eg they're basically a melee weapon, or near-melee.  They can maybe kill one person, maybe out to 5-10 feet away and then you have to fiddle with it for a minute or more to reload and maybe kill someone else.

compared to a functional semi-auto rifle that can kill someone from several hundred yards away and fire 30 rounds with a fast reload its not even in the same ballpark.
 
2019-03-25 02:51:06 PM  
Man, if California agrees it's not a gun -- it's not a gun.
 
2019-03-25 02:51:13 PM  

drewogatory: LOL, good luck trying to ban things that aren't firearms NJ. You can't ban chunks of aluminum, and firearms parts (except the serialized portion usually) aren't firearms and can't be banned as such. You really going to try and ban roll pins, springs and metal tubes? farking idiots.


If they're not firearms then they're not protected by the 2nd Amendment and NJ can ban whatever the fark they want
 
2019-03-25 02:51:16 PM  

Magorn: Gun nuts: 80% recievers are just a lump of metal and you'd need an expert gunsmith with specialized tools to make it into a working gun, so it's insane to ban them
also gun nuts: it's insane to ban AR-15's because anybody can buy an 80% reciever and with a few simple machine tools somebody can easily make a working gun


Any idiot that would put one of these things together without a gunsmith deserves the thing blowing up in his face.  Which is what is most likely what will happen.

I watched the smith put mine together, he explained exactly what I would fail to do  and why that would end up killing me.
 
2019-03-25 02:52:16 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: U.S. Patriot Armory

When exactly did the murder of fellow citizens you disagree with politically become a patriotic duty? I'm sure it was right around when Obama was elected. I know that was when the Oath Keepers were formed.


Are you seriously insinuating that if I choose to purchase a product from a company that has particular words in their name that I'm somehow planning to commit murder?
 
2019-03-25 02:55:51 PM  

NoDitchDigging: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: U.S. Patriot Armory

When exactly did the murder of fellow citizens you disagree with politically become a patriotic duty? I'm sure it was right around when Obama was elected. I know that was when the Oath Keepers were formed.

Are you seriously insinuating that if I choose to purchase a product from a company that has particular words in their name that I'm somehow planning to commit murder?


It is a truism in the Fark rabid Anti-Gun Brigade's Manifesto that anyone who own a firearm is just waiting for an excuse to use it to murderize someone. After all, there's no other use for the firearm. They are only for killing many people as rapidly as possible - which is why only police and the government should have them.
 
2019-03-25 02:57:24 PM  

oopsboom: SnowPeas: cant wait till they find out a zipgun can be built in a local hardware store. before long only foam plumbing supplys will be available because people might get hurt...

zip guns built from hardware store supplies are about as dangerous as any number of other things built from hardware store supplies.  eg they're basically a melee weapon, or near-melee.  They can maybe kill one person, maybe out to 5-10 feet away and then you have to fiddle with it for a minute or more to reload and maybe kill someone else.

compared to a functional semi-auto rifle that can kill someone from several hundred yards away and fire 30 rounds with a fast reload its not even in the same ballpark.


Firing 18 rounds of tula
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Most home made or improvised guns you'll ever see are crap. That's only because they're made by idiots who get caught, and by people with so few resources they can't manage anything better.

There's nothing to stop anyone with just a little skill from making a very effective open bolt submachine gun though. It's dirt simple.

I should know, I'm a firearms manufacturer with a machine shop and an 07 federal firearms license.
 
2019-03-25 02:58:06 PM  

JesseL: Magorn: Gun nuts: 80% recievers are just a lump of metal and you'd need an expert gunsmith with specialized tools to make it into a working gun, so it's insane to ban them
also gun nuts: it's insane to ban AR-15's because anybody can buy an 80% reciever and with a few simple machine tools somebody can easily make a working gun

So, how do you propose to ban something that is only legally defined by being "not a gun"?

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https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2016/Bi​l​ls/A5000/4791_I1.HTM
 
2019-03-25 02:59:14 PM  

drewogatory: LOL, good luck trying to ban things that aren't firearms NJ. You can't ban chunks of aluminum, and firearms parts (except the serialized portion usually) aren't firearms and can't be banned as such. You really going to try and ban roll pins, springs and metal tubes? farking idiots.


Remember when they banned lead in kid's toys?  Sounds great on the surface but it prohibited the sale of youth motorcycles and 4 wheelers.  Morons will try the same for guns, damn the consequences.  Next up:  You need a license to buy a drill because it could help make a ghost gun.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2011/06/​article/cpsia-lead-ban-update-what-now​/
 
2019-03-25 02:59:50 PM  
Voiceofreason01:If they're not firearms then they're not protected by the 2nd Amendment and NJ can ban whatever the fark they want

There's a reason NJ filed a lawsuit rather than a criminal complaint -- the State of New Jersey can ban whatever they want for their residents, but has a lot less power to ban a California company from shipping "banned" objects to NJ.

Thus the civil suit...
 
2019-03-25 03:00:27 PM  

Voiceofreason01: drewogatory: LOL, good luck trying to ban things that aren't firearms NJ. You can't ban chunks of aluminum, and firearms parts (except the serialized portion usually) aren't firearms and can't be banned as such. You really going to try and ban roll pins, springs and metal tubes? farking idiots.

If they're not firearms then they're not protected by the 2nd Amendment and NJ can ban whatever the fark they want


The 2nd amendment doesn't exclusively cover firearms.
 
2019-03-25 03:04:32 PM  

Voiceofreason01: JesseL: Magorn: Gun nuts: 80% recievers are just a lump of metal and you'd need an expert gunsmith with specialized tools to make it into a working gun, so it's insane to ban them
also gun nuts: it's insane to ban AR-15's because anybody can buy an 80% reciever and with a few simple machine tools somebody can easily make a working gun

So, how do you propose to ban something that is only legally defined by being "not a gun"?

[img.fark.net image 450x355]

https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2016/Bil​ls/A5000/4791_I1.HTM


So the answer is "with a badly written law"? There's nothing in there about the legal status of things that aren't firearms or firearm parts.
 
2019-03-25 03:06:23 PM  

MaelstromFL: Magorn: Gun nuts: 80% recievers are just a lump of metal and you'd need an expert gunsmith with specialized tools to make it into a working gun, so it's insane to ban them
also gun nuts: it's insane to ban AR-15's because anybody can buy an 80% reciever and with a few simple machine tools somebody can easily make a working gun

Any idiot that would put one of these things together without a gunsmith deserves the thing blowing up in his face.  Which is what is most likely what will happen.

I watched the smith put mine together, he explained exactly what I would fail to do  and why that would end up killing me.


You had someone else make a ghost gun for you?  Is that legal?

I made my own ghost gun (AR pistol).  There's practically nothing you could do in the process that would make it explode under normal use.  If you aren't careful, the parts may not all fit together, but that's about the extent of it.
 
2019-03-25 03:07:14 PM  

NoDitchDigging: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: U.S. Patriot Armory

When exactly did the murder of fellow citizens you disagree with politically become a patriotic duty? I'm sure it was right around when Obama was elected. I know that was when the Oath Keepers were formed.

Are you seriously insinuating that if I choose to purchase a product from a company that has particular words in their name that I'm somehow planning to commit murder?


Did you RTFA?

The company is charged with intentionally avoiding New Jersey gun laws.

And I'm not insinuating anything about any gun owner like myself who doesn't plan for the day when he can climb up on his rooftop with his ghost gun and start weeding out the unpatriotic.

If the morale patch fits though....
 
2019-03-25 03:08:47 PM  

Magorn: Burr: [img.fark.net image 675x900]

New Jersey Car

that's 80% of a car?


I mean probably, if using the same definition as guns.

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That is technically the "gun" part of an ar-15. The rest are pieces you put on a gun but are not in themselves the gun.
 
2019-03-25 03:21:11 PM  

JesseL: Magorn: Gun nuts: 80% recievers are just a lump of metal and you'd need an expert gunsmith with specialized tools to make it into a working gun, so it's insane to ban them
also gun nuts: it's insane to ban AR-15's because anybody can buy an 80% reciever and with a few simple machine tools somebody can easily make a working gun

So, how do you propose to ban something that is only legally defined by being "not a gun"?

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Try cutting the chamber and barrel from that block of aluminum and see what happens.

What I want to know is whether this bill addresses the sale of chambers and barrels.  Those are the parts that have to be made from the right materials and to decent tolerances in order to make a gun that can be used to kill people other than the user.
 
2019-03-25 03:21:17 PM  

Cheops: Voiceofreason01: drewogatory: LOL, good luck trying to ban things that aren't firearms NJ. You can't ban chunks of aluminum, and firearms parts (except the serialized portion usually) aren't firearms and can't be banned as such. You really going to try and ban roll pins, springs and metal tubes? farking idiots.

If they're not firearms then they're not protected by the 2nd Amendment and NJ can ban whatever the fark they want

The 2nd amendment doesn't exclusively cover firearms.


Does the 2nd Amendment cover blocks of aluminum or metal tubes? You can't have it both ways: either these firearms parts and (might) enjoy 2nd Amendment protections or they're random pieces of metal and New Jersey can regulate them as they see fit.
 
2019-03-25 03:22:54 PM  

Voiceofreason01: drewogatory: LOL, good luck trying to ban things that aren't firearms NJ. You can't ban chunks of aluminum, and firearms parts (except the serialized portion usually) aren't firearms and can't be banned as such. You really going to try and ban roll pins, springs and metal tubes? farking idiots.

If they're not firearms then they're not protected by the 2nd Amendment and NJ can ban whatever the fark they want


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caetano​_​v._Massachusetts
https://www.nj.com/news/2017/06/nj_su​p​reme_court_overturns_conviction_of_man​_who_h.html

Does haven't to be a firearm. NJ case law recognizes a machete as an arm for purposes of self-defense right.
 
2019-03-25 03:24:55 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: The company is charged with intentionally avoiding New Jersey gun laws.


Much like I intentionally avoid New Jersey's traffic laws.
 
2019-03-25 03:26:11 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Does the 2nd Amendment cover blocks of aluminum or metal tubes?


Sure. If you're planning to use them as some sort of thrown weapon.

\it also covers rocks
 
2019-03-25 03:26:43 PM  

This text is now purple: Voiceofreason01: drewogatory: LOL, good luck trying to ban things that aren't firearms NJ. You can't ban chunks of aluminum, and firearms parts (except the serialized portion usually) aren't firearms and can't be banned as such. You really going to try and ban roll pins, springs and metal tubes? farking idiots.

If they're not firearms then they're not protected by the 2nd Amendment and NJ can ban whatever the fark they want

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caetano_​v._Massachusetts
https://www.nj.com/news/2017/06/nj_sup​reme_court_overturns_conviction_of_man​_who_h.html

Does haven't Doesn't have to be a firearm. NJ case law recognizes a machete as an arm for purposes of self-defense right.


Thought I smelled toast...
 
2019-03-25 03:27:22 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: NoDitchDigging: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: U.S. Patriot Armory

When exactly did the murder of fellow citizens you disagree with politically become a patriotic duty? I'm sure it was right around when Obama was elected. I know that was when the Oath Keepers were formed.

Are you seriously insinuating that if I choose to purchase a product from a company that has particular words in their name that I'm somehow planning to commit murder?

Did you RTFA?

The company is charged with intentionally avoiding New Jersey gun laws.

And I'm not insinuating anything about any gun owner like myself who doesn't plan for the day when he can climb up on his rooftop with his ghost gun and start weeding out the unpatriotic.

If the morale patch fits though....


How can anyone be charged with intentionally avoiding a law?
Speed limit is 65, you drive 60, is that intentionally avoiding a law?
Law says no exotic pets, so instead of a tiger, I raise a wolf-pup. Is that intentionally avoiding a law?

It people can ben charge do for NOT BREAKING A LAW, what kind of world do we live in?

/write better laws, fools
//on the other hand, maybe I misunderstood your comment
///maybe you didn't phrase it well
 
2019-03-25 03:29:24 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: NoDitchDigging: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: U.S. Patriot Armory

When exactly did the murder of fellow citizens you disagree with politically become a patriotic duty? I'm sure it was right around when Obama was elected. I know that was when the Oath Keepers were formed.

Are you seriously insinuating that if I choose to purchase a product from a company that has particular words in their name that I'm somehow planning to commit murder?

Did you RTFA?

The company is charged with intentionally avoiding New Jersey gun laws.

And I'm not insinuating anything about any gun owner like myself who doesn't plan for the day when he can climb up on his rooftop with his ghost gun and start weeding out the unpatriotic.

If the morale patch fits though....


I just fail to see the connection you're trying to make between the purchase of regulated firearm parts and supposed murder of political opponents.  That is, unless the company was pulling a Leland Yee and supplying guns and parts to known violent gangs, but TFA mentions a single sale to a government agent.
 
2019-03-25 03:31:26 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: NoDitchDigging: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: U.S. Patriot Armory

When exactly did the murder of fellow citizens you disagree with politically become a patriotic duty? I'm sure it was right around when Obama was elected. I know that was when the Oath Keepers were formed.

Are you seriously insinuating that if I choose to purchase a product from a company that has particular words in their name that I'm somehow planning to commit murder?

Did you RTFA?

The company is charged with intentionally avoiding New Jersey gun laws.

And I'm not insinuating anything about any gun owner like myself who doesn't plan for the day when he can climb up on his rooftop with his ghost gun and start weeding out the unpatriotic.

If the morale patch fits though....


Also, fin im not mistaken, they aren't "charged" with anything, it's a lawsuit.
 
2019-03-25 03:32:59 PM  

MaelstromFL: Magorn: Gun nuts: 80% recievers are just a lump of metal and you'd need an expert gunsmith with specialized tools to make it into a working gun, so it's insane to ban them
also gun nuts: it's insane to ban AR-15's because anybody can buy an 80% reciever and with a few simple machine tools somebody can easily make a working gun

Any idiot that would put one of these things together without a gunsmith deserves the thing blowing up in his face.  Which is what is most likely what will happen.

I watched the smith put mine together, he explained exactly what I would fail to do  and why that would end up killing me.


So Patriot arms is knowingly endangering the lives of their customers by falsely promising they can DIY build it with the tools and instructions provided?   Sounds like an excellent reason to shut them down
 
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