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2019-03-24 11:24:19 PM  
The fact that Barr hasn't released the actual report, but instead delivered a hackish spin job truly says it all.
 
2019-03-24 11:47:23 PM  
Also known as Bullshiat.
 
2019-03-25 12:34:19 AM  
This is the guy who told Bush 41 that pardoning everybody involved with Iran-Contra was not only his right but also his best play. He is a firm believer in the powers of the imperial presidency, as long as the president is a republican. In short, he's a partisan hack.

This is precisely why he was hired and confirmed - so the traitorous republican party can avoid holding Trump accountable and continue to betray the nation for their personal gain.

God damn, republicans used to be good people with whom I disagree. Now they make me farking sick.
 
2019-03-25 01:01:21 AM  
I think there's f*ckery afoot.
 
2019-03-25 01:21:35 AM  
I should sharpen pitchfork tines.

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2019-03-25 01:22:03 AM  
At the very least, I'm glad they included this:
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So that Donald Trump would look like a jackass when he inevitably tweeted this.
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2019-03-25 02:16:32 AM  
I was so confused I thought Bill Barr was a comedian.
 
2019-03-25 02:17:25 AM  
Weasel words are what treason weasels speak
 
2019-03-25 02:18:11 AM  
Barr's report was written and ready to go before Muller handed anything in.
 
2019-03-25 02:21:19 AM  

HerptheDerp: Barr's report was written and ready to go before Mueller handed anything in.


Dont worry, Democrats have already stated that they will subpoena Mueller and have him read the entire report into public record if the DOJ drags their feet or seems to be lying out of their ass.

/also ftfy
 
2019-03-25 02:21:26 AM  
It's good thing Donald didn't do something horrible, like getting a beej from an intern, or he would REALLY be in trouble, huh?
 
2019-03-25 02:23:33 AM  

fragMasterFlash: It's good thing Donald didn't do something horrible, like getting a beej from an intern, or he would REALLY be in trouble, huh?


Who says he doesn't?

Stephen Miller is still around. He looks like Ivaka when he wears a wig.
 
2019-03-25 02:24:36 AM  
Barr isn't weaseling.  Based on Donnie's own public statements, Barr has just lied to Congress and the American people.

The full report must be made public.  Nothing less will do.
 
2019-03-25 02:25:35 AM  

Purple_Urkle: fragMasterFlash: It's good thing Donald didn't do something horrible, like getting a beej from an intern, or he would REALLY be in trouble, huh?

Who says he doesn't?

Stephen Miller is still around. He looks like Ivaka when he wears a wig.


Has anyone taken a really close look at this dress shirt?  Might be a stain or two(ijustvomitedalittel) there.
 
2019-03-25 02:26:01 AM  
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2019-03-25 02:27:01 AM  
I have more questions now than I did before Mueller started.  I wonder why Mueller didn't interview Donny's kids?
 
2019-03-25 02:27:32 AM  
I really want the House to get unredacted copies of the full Report to verify what Barr said. I just don't trust Barr at all here.
 
2019-03-25 02:32:23 AM  

Prey4reign: Also known as Bullshiat.


Barrshiat.
 
2019-03-25 02:33:30 AM  

MattytheMouse: At the very least, I'm glad they included this:
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So that Donald Trump would look like a jackass when he inevitably tweeted this.
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You'd think that if the report does not charge Trump with a crime nor exonerates him, Mueller should continue until it's one or the other.

So what's the actual story?
 
2019-03-25 02:34:02 AM  
Um, Trump has a history of only hiring people willing to kiss his bloated arse so there's absolutely no surprise here at all.
 
2019-03-25 02:34:17 AM  
Question: since Wikileaks was defined as a hostile non-state intelligence service, why is conspiring with a hostile non-state intelligence service not criminally noteworthy?
 
2019-03-25 02:34:38 AM  
 
2019-03-25 02:35:38 AM  
The Simpsons Skinner and The Superintendent: Aurora Borealis
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2019-03-25 02:36:40 AM  
I sort of doubt a Republican could read 800 pages of lawyer in two days.
 
2019-03-25 02:36:48 AM  
Like I said in earlier threads: there is legalese in his report that is... specific and unspecific, but seemingly done so for reasons. I do believe Barr wrote this in the way that he did to both protect Trump (as best he could, professionally) as well as protect HIMSELF legally if, in fact, he's subpoenaed to testify before Congress. 

He was a hired gun and he spun this as well he could without potentially perjuring himself when he's grilled on specific parts of the Mueller report. He made the vague reference to Trump not being exonerated by the report, which in and of itself is a *personal* cop-out to what is clearly a piece of opinion. He left most details absent. 

This was done with purpose. And Barr knows it.
 
2019-03-25 02:39:43 AM  

uh...nobody: HerptheDerp: Barr's report was written and ready to go before Mueller handed anything in.

Dont worry, Democrats have already stated that they will subpoena Mueller and have him read the entire report into public record if the DOJ drags their feet or seems to be lying out of their ass.

/also ftfy


They need to do that shiat TOMORROW.
 
2019-03-25 02:43:12 AM  

gadian: I sort of doubt a Republican could read 800 pages of lawyer in two days.


Read a watered-down report in and of itself, which is made to be plain and to the point? Maybe. 
Read, like a person reads to pass the time, where skipping over the "big words" is worth doing... hey, reading is for a person to use their imagination, right?!

To understand every part, every nuance of every word? Nah. People like this read with spin, or they hire people who read with spin, and digest/regurgitate with even more spin.
 
2019-03-25 02:43:45 AM  

Voxper: Question: since Wikileaks was defined as a hostile non-state intelligence service, why is conspiring with a hostile non-state intelligence service not criminally noteworthy?


A good question for the Oversight Committee to ask.
 
2019-03-25 02:52:35 AM  

Voxper: Question: since Wikileaks was defined as a hostile non-state intelligence service, why is conspiring with a hostile non-state intelligence service not criminally noteworthy?


Roger Stone's lawyers are going to have to address that.  He's the fall guy for that one.
 
2019-03-25 02:53:59 AM  

Kirablue42: uh...nobody: HerptheDerp: Barr's report was written and ready to go before Mueller handed anything in.

Dont worry, Democrats have already stated that they will subpoena Mueller and have him read the entire report into public record if the DOJ drags their feet or seems to be lying out of their ass.

/also ftfy

They need to do that shiat TOMORROW.


I'm certain they intend to.  Then, we'll see if Pelosi still runs Bartertown.
 
2019-03-25 02:55:31 AM  
Barr is completely full of shiat when he says that to convict Trump of obstructing justice there has to be a ongoing prosecution and/or Trump must have committed the underlying offense of conspiracy with the Russian government.

Martha Stewart was convicted of obstructing justice for lying to federal agents and starting to change her personal calendar notes regarding the sale of some pharmaceutical company's stock she owned and then thinking better of it, restoring the original text of her notes.  They securities fraud charge they were investigated got thrown out on a directed verdict before it reached the jury.  (James Comey was initially the US Attorney for the SDNY who prosecuted the case BTW.)
https://www.sec.gov/news/press/2003-6​9​.htm
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/28/bu​s​iness/most-serious-charge-against-stew​art-is-dismissed.html
convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice anyway
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/​a​ppellate-courts/F3/433/273/546171/
 
2019-03-25 02:58:38 AM  
The "Russian Government". I pointed this out in the last thread and someone else did elsewhere. There was almost no chance that Trump and his campaign did anything directly with Russian Agents. But to "collude" with individuals outside the Russian government as intermediaries is almost as clear as a sunny day. (Stone and Wikileaks is a significant example.)

Barr chose his words carefully to confuse and muddle the narrative. He has been successful so far.
 
2019-03-25 03:02:53 AM  

ecor1: I was so confused I thought Bill Barr was a comedian.


No, that's Bill Bailey.

Bill Bailey's Downton Abbey Jamaican Dub Reggae Version
Youtube 2NbnQZrK8xA
 
2019-03-25 03:04:08 AM  
Trump and his administration now have to focus on actually convincing the rest of the country that they didn't somehow f*ck with the Mueller investigation or final report.

I am less certain he's going to be able to do that.
 
2019-03-25 03:04:32 AM  
I think we need to remind ourselves that we are largely in uncharted territory with all of this. Is this a crime, or is that a crime, and do we even need an actual crime to impeach and convict? And all of this is decided by committee, countered by people with  agendas, and it all takes forever. And in the past, when we've had situations like this such as with Nixon's pardon, or the non-inductments in Iran Contra, people like Ford and Barr have swept it under the rug under the guise of keeping the peace, healing, and moving on.

This feels different though, in that people are sick and tired of decades of corruption, and leaders getting away with it all. It will be interesting, I think, to see what happens this time. I'm hopeful, but I am also aware of history.
 
2019-03-25 03:05:28 AM  
As surprised as you all were to find out that there was no coulson, there was one person who was more surprised then you: The President.
 
2019-03-25 03:09:00 AM  
Mueller basically PUNTED the OBSTRUCTION charge to Congress and the DoJ. Barr took this as an On Sides Kick and SPIKED the FOOTBALL in the most Trumpian way.

The question, then, is why Barr felt the need to supplement Mueller's account of the relevant evidence on the obstruction issue-none of which Barr detailed in his letter-with an answer to the entirely hypothetical question of whether the DOJ would seek to charge Trump if it could.

While it is entirely in Barr's purview not to charge Trump with CRIMINAL Obstruction of Justice via the DoJ, his opinion is just, in the words of the Dude "just your OPINION, Man!" To use HIS view of Obstruction as evidence that Congress should have no right to pursue Obstruction charges because of his Legal Fiat.

Imagine Obama's DoJ deciding unilaterally that Bengazi was something Congress ought not to pursue!
 
2019-03-25 03:11:05 AM  
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2019-03-25 03:15:18 AM  

mithras_angel: ecor1: I was so confused I thought Bill Barr was a comedian.

No, that's Bill Bailey.

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2019-03-25 03:15:40 AM  

dodecahedron: and do we even need an actual crime to impeach and convict?


Nope. Just accuse Donny of getting a beej from an intern.
 
2019-03-25 03:16:59 AM  
I mean, we certainly can't accuse DonDon of eating arugula or using Dijon mustard now, can we?
 
2019-03-25 03:19:17 AM  

Kittypie070: I mean, we certainly can't accuse DonDon of eating arugula or using Dijon mustard now, can we?


Does he own a brown suit?
 
2019-03-25 03:23:46 AM  

TotallyHeadless: The "Russian Government". I pointed this out in the last thread and someone else did elsewhere. There was almost no chance that Trump and his campaign did anything directly with Russian Agents. But to "collude" with individuals outside the Russian government as intermediaries is almost as clear as a sunny day. (Stone and Wikileaks is a significant example.)

Barr chose his words carefully to confuse and muddle the narrative. He has been successful so far.


I was also pointing this out. The buffer between "official state actors" and "powerful people in Russia who are not technically part of the Russian government" is one they only maintain for the sake of plausible deniability.

It's the same buffer that kept the U.S. and Russia from being in direct kinetic combat during the Battle of Khasham in 2018, when our soldiers killed 100 Russian mercenaries. SOP with Putin.
 
2019-03-25 03:25:51 AM  

Kittypie070: dodecahedron: and do we even need an actual crime to impeach and convict?

Nope. Just accuse Donny of getting a beej from an intern.


It's a Republican Senate. If Donny personally conducted a non-consensual abortion in middle of 5th Avenue, then proceeded to shoot the mother, we'd have to wait a while to see if the Senate would actually produce the votes to convict, but I still wouldn't hold my breath.
 
2019-03-25 03:51:48 AM  
Oh thank god so they actually found conspiracy collusion and various other bad deeds that start with C. That's a big relief.
 
2019-03-25 03:53:22 AM  

Boondock3806: Kittypie070: dodecahedron: and do we even need an actual crime to impeach and convict?

Nope. Just accuse Donny of getting a beej from an intern.

It's a Republican Senate. If Donny personally conducted a non-consensual abortion in middle of 5th Avenue, then proceeded to shoot the mother, we'd have to wait a while to see if the Senate would actually produce the votes to convict, but I still wouldn't hold my breath.


The votes to even investigate exactly that would take years to trickle in. And it'd be a totally partisan divide.

Conservatives would claim the potential mother threatened the life of the fetus, which justified Trump acting in self-defense of said fetus. Her vegetative body would have to carry it to term, though.
 
2019-03-25 03:57:55 AM  

js34603: Oh thank god so they actually found conspiracy collusion and various other bad deeds that start with C. That's a big relief.


make sure you rub that salt into everyone's wounds EXTRA hard!
 
2019-03-25 04:00:48 AM  

dodecahedron: I think we need to remind ourselves that we are largely in uncharted territory with all of this. Is this a crime, or is that a crime, and do we even need an actual crime to impeach and convict? And all of this is decided by committee, countered by people with  agendas, and it all takes forever. And in the past, when we've had situations like this such as with Nixon's pardon, or the non-inductments in Iran Contra, people like Ford and Barr have swept it under the rug under the guise of keeping the peace, healing, and moving on.

This feels different though, in that people are sick and tired of decades of corruption, and leaders getting away with it all. It will be interesting, I think, to see what happens this time. I'm hopeful, but I am also aware of history.


I'd love to think that the American people will care more about corruption than sticking with their team, and this will ultimately wake up our lazy non-voters.

I'd love believe that, anyway.
 
2019-03-25 04:02:21 AM  
None of this makes any sense.
 
2019-03-25 04:07:05 AM  
The morning papers were dropped off.. let's see what they put as the headlines.
USA Today: 'NO CONSPIRACY  Mueller leaves obstruction issue to attorney general'  The first 2 words are about 2 inches tall.
WSJ: 'Mueller Finds No Trump Collusion  Report makes no firm conclusion on obstruction; Barr sees no basis to pursue case'.

So yeah, they're taking the weasel words and running with them.
 
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