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2019-03-24 10:45:54 PM  
Bought a brand new car not 3 weeks ago with a 5 speed manual. Tiny little ecobox, but it's great fun to thrash around.
 
2019-03-24 11:36:43 PM  
Gave up my Miata with a six speed.
Really loved that car.
 
2019-03-25 12:37:45 AM  
2018 was the last model year with a full sized pickup available with a manual transmission (Dodge was the last holdout).
 
2019-03-25 02:06:25 AM  
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2019-03-25 06:30:27 AM  
I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.
 
2019-03-25 06:47:45 AM  
Discovered the other day that Subaru's Crosstrek hybrid comes in six speed.
Sold.

/old Millenial
 
2019-03-25 06:53:08 AM  
Anecdotally I find that I'm a calmer driver in an automatic, despite having a 3l v6 at the mo. I'm wondering whether the stick shift just makes me feel more like a racing driver, but there is definitely more aggression. Flappy paddle shifting is good fun too, but just not quite as "connected" as clutch and gears.
 
2019-03-25 06:55:43 AM  
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Modern automatics are more efficient than manuals now.  If you're holding out for one in your daily driver, you're just being stodgy at this point.

/and anyone who thinks a manual is better than an automatic for a DD has never had to drive on in stop-and-go traffic on a hilly highway
//RIP my left knee and my clutch
///offer not valid for a "sporty" car
 
2019-03-25 06:56:24 AM  
I'm driving a 6 speed manual now. I owned one automatic in my 2 decades of driving... It still words me out when I rent, I barely know what to do with my right hand or left foot in an automatic.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure I'm moving on to flappy paddle with my next car, not an actual stick. They are objectively superior now thanks to double clutch, so it's likely that a proper manual gearbox is relegated to unique cars like hobby cars.
 
2019-03-25 06:58:34 AM  
the percentage of new cars sold with backup cameras doubled, but the backup fatality rate declined by less than a third while backup injuries dropped only 8 percent.

I'm not a statistics expert but is that saying that as cars sold with backup cameras increased, so the rate of fatalities and injuries decreased? Because that seems like a good thing to me, something that would prove that they're useful, not that they lead to increased accidents due to overreliance on technology.

What happened here is one morning author was being inattentive and caught himself either just in time, or was fortuitous in that there were no children behind him, and decided that this is something that everyone everywhere does, and this makes them a hero for pointing it out.

But fair enough, I have one car with reversing beeps and one without, and on occasion going from one car to another I have expected the beeps that didn't come but I never stopped looking, because driving and not looking in some way is madness, unless it's a really important text message, or fb post, or you need to open another bottle of <insert fark beer snob approved beer here>
 
2019-03-25 06:59:51 AM  

King Keepo: Anecdotally I find that I'm a calmer driver in an automatic, despite having a 3l v6 at the mo. I'm wondering whether the stick shift just makes me feel more like a racing driver, but there is definitely more aggression. Flappy paddle shifting is good fun too, but just not quite as "connected" as clutch and gears.


Automatics don't connect me to driving, so I'm WAY more likely to show my ass. Manuals, the complete opposite.

Of course I grew up with cars that were piss weak and only good for hauling a metric ton of ass down a curvy backroad as quickly as possible. Got to drive a sticky Beamer for a short while and it could get out of its own way, and yea, I can see where you're coming from.

Just give me a reliable engine with a stick shift and I'm satisfied.
 
2019-03-25 07:00:54 AM  
As mentioned in another thread, next week I take delivery on an HR-V.  I'm selling my 5-speed manual Fit.

I'm going to hate the lack of clutch for about a week, and then it will be the new normal.
 
2019-03-25 07:01:45 AM  

Quantumbunny: I'm driving a 6 speed manual now. I owned one automatic in my 2 decades of driving... It still words me out when I rent, I barely know what to do with my right hand or left foot in an automatic.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure I'm moving on to flappy paddle with my next car, not an actual stick. They are objectively superior now thanks to double clutch, so it's likely that a proper manual gearbox is relegated to unique cars like hobby cars.


Sometimes when I'm tired I hop in my car and stomp my left foot into the wheel well expecting a clutch.
 
2019-03-25 07:04:14 AM  

Slaxl: the percentage of new cars sold with backup cameras doubled, but the backup fatality rate declined by less than a third while backup injuries dropped only 8 percent.

I'm not a statistics expert but is that saying that as cars sold with backup cameras increased, so the rate of fatalities and injuries decreased? Because that seems like a good thing to me, something that would prove that they're useful, not that they lead to increased accidents due to overreliance on technology.

What happened here is one morning author was being inattentive and caught himself either just in time, or was fortuitous in that there were no children behind him, and decided that this is something that everyone everywhere does, and this makes them a hero for pointing it out.

But fair enough, I have one car with reversing beeps and one without, and on occasion going from one car to another I have expected the beeps that didn't come but I never stopped looking, because driving and not looking in some way is madness, unless it's a really important text message, or fb post, or you need to open another bottle of <insert fark beer snob approved beer here>


TFA's writer's "statistics" are absolutely useless without a comparison of all cars in operation. Trying to get there by citing an increase in cars sold with backup cameras (a cumbersome term: let's call them what they are -- Ass Cams) is wholly irrelevant. One might as well claim that the ritualized culling of people who don't get out of the way of reversing cars is nearing completion.
 
2019-03-25 07:10:04 AM  

Quantumbunny: I'm driving a 6 speed manual now. I owned one automatic in my 2 decades of driving... It still words me out when I rent, I barely know what to do with my right hand or left foot in an automatic.


Virtually all cars here are stick shift. The exception being zipcars. Every time I drove one I would have a teeny internal micro-panic each time I had to pull away at the lights gonig uphill... IT'S NOT SAAAAFE!! ooooh I havent died
 
2019-03-25 07:10:06 AM  

stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.


2009 Honda Fit. They handle pretty decent too. E brake works but not as good as a 96 civic hatchback.
 
2019-03-25 07:11:18 AM  
Link is to a paywall. Downvote this shiat.
 
2019-03-25 07:12:59 AM  

NEDM: [img.fark.net image 553x393]
Modern automatics are more efficient than manuals now.  If you're holding out for one in your daily driver, you're just being stodgy at this point.

/and anyone who thinks a manual is better than an automatic for a DD has never had to drive on in stop-and-go traffic on a hilly highway
//RIP my left knee and my clutch
///offer not valid for a "sporty" car


When your car has 95hp, that stick is gonna get you places When you need all 95 of them. 4K rpms all the way up that hill.
 
2019-03-25 07:23:58 AM  
In general, I am a stick shift person. But about a year ago I drove a Fiat Panda - possibly the worst car ever made - around the Tramuntana in Mallorca for a week, and I wanted to rip the gearbox out and throw it off a cliff. Downshifting over and over again with a gearbox geared too high and a tiny diesel that must have put out maybe 15hp... I wanted to kill that little car.
 
2019-03-25 07:28:26 AM  
The stick shift is superior to automatic transmission in all human measurements, but the future is electric and there's no need for a trans in those engines
 
2019-03-25 07:31:46 AM  

PartTimeBuddha: Slaxl: the percentage of new cars sold with backup cameras doubled, but the backup fatality rate declined by less than a third while backup injuries dropped only 8 percent.

I'm not a statistics expert but is that saying that as cars sold with backup cameras increased, so the rate of fatalities and injuries decreased? Because that seems like a good thing to me, something that would prove that they're useful, not that they lead to increased accidents due to overreliance on technology.

What happened here is one morning author was being inattentive and caught himself either just in time, or was fortuitous in that there were no children behind him, and decided that this is something that everyone everywhere does, and this makes them a hero for pointing it out.

But fair enough, I have one car with reversing beeps and one without, and on occasion going from one car to another I have expected the beeps that didn't come but I never stopped looking, because driving and not looking in some way is madness, unless it's a really important text message, or fb post, or you need to open another bottle of <insert fark beer snob approved beer here>

TFA's writer's "statistics" are absolutely useless without a comparison of all cars in operation. Trying to get there by citing an increase in cars sold with backup cameras (a cumbersome term: let's call them what they are -- Ass Cams) is wholly irrelevant. One might as well claim that the ritualized culling of people who don't get out of the way of reversing cars is nearing completion.


I thought back up cameras were mandatory now?
 
2019-03-25 07:35:38 AM  

Slaxl: the percentage of new cars sold with backup cameras doubled, but the backup fatality rate declined by less than a third while backup injuries dropped only 8 percent.

I'm not a statistics expert but is that saying that as cars sold with backup cameras increased, so the rate of fatalities and injuries decreased? Because that seems like a good thing to me, something that would prove that they're useful, not that they lead to increased accidents due to overreliance on technology.

What happened here is one morning author was being inattentive and caught himself either just in time, or was fortuitous in that there were no children behind him, and decided that this is something that everyone everywhere does, and this makes them a hero for pointing it out.

But fair enough, I have one car with reversing beeps and one without, and on occasion going from one car to another I have expected the beeps that didn't come but I never stopped looking, because driving and not looking in some way is madness, unless it's a really important text message, or fb post, or you need to open another bottle of <insert fark beer snob approved beer here>


He also seems to be ignoring the fact that just because new car sales with backup cameras doubled, there are still tons of older vehicles without cameras, especially given that the average age of vehicles in operation is like 11 years.
 
2019-03-25 07:50:09 AM  

King Keepo: Anecdotally I find that I'm a calmer driver in an automatic, despite having a 3l v6 at the mo. I'm wondering whether the stick shift just makes me feel more like a racing driver, but there is definitely more aggression. Flappy paddle shifting is good fun too, but just not quite as "connected" as clutch and gears.


The good flappy paddles are amazing fun. The bad ones are just "meh".

/by amazing fun I think I also mean make me feel more like a racing driver
 
2019-03-25 07:50:35 AM  
I suspect that stick drivers who want to text and drive have figured out how to do that.
 
2019-03-25 07:50:54 AM  

stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.


Look at a Mini Cooper.
 
2019-03-25 07:56:43 AM  

stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.


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2019-03-25 07:58:16 AM  
I have to buy automatics because the distaffbopper can't drive a manual.  But for the last few days I've been driving my fathers car on our visiting family and various museums, and it's a 6 speed manual.  It's fine because I learned on a standard.  Stalled it twice the first day, been fine ever since.  Worst part is I stalled it at perfectly flat spots, both times at toll booths.
 
2019-03-25 07:59:36 AM  

stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.


There are tons of manual transmissions in that category.  Honda Civic, Nissan versa, VW, etc.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/ww​w.carfa​x.com/blog/2019-manual-transmission-ca​rs/amp/

There is a lack of trucks with manual . I was looking for a full size truck and none are manual any more.   The only two left are Nissan frontier and Toyota Tacoma.  Both cost as much as a full size but are smaller with lesser engines.   I had to move to an auto.   My biggest complaint was going downhill in snow- the only way to slow down is with the brakes, which causes slipping.  I tried paddle downshift but it's not smooth and my Ram is 10 speed so I'll be in 7th gear at 30mph where my old manual would be in 3rd.
 
2019-03-25 08:01:29 AM  

Lady J: Quantumbunny: I'm driving a 6 speed manual now. I owned one automatic in my 2 decades of driving... It still words me out when I rent, I barely know what to do with my right hand or left foot in an automatic.

Virtually all cars here are stick shift. The exception being zipcars. Every time I drove one I would have a teeny internal micro-panic each time I had to pull away at the lights gonig uphill... IT'S NOT SAAAAFE!! ooooh I havent died


The rent-car-fleet-business for our city always has a micro-automatic sitting around here or there when everything else is gone. It's a bastard step child car.
 
2019-03-25 08:05:28 AM  

stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.


Well, possibly you could consider a late 90's 'hot-hatch' from Europe? Many like the VW Scirocco are or Golf GTi are solidly made, and have relatively cheap and available spare parts (due to boy racers flipping them on backroads, mostly lol).

I don't think they even made an auto version for either, tbh, and models found on enthusiasts sites seem to be very well maintained.

I also have a wee thing for the Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 - those things are incredibly fun!
 
2019-03-25 08:09:44 AM  

uttertosh: stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.

Well, possibly you could consider a late 90's 'hot-hatch' from Europe? Many like the VW Scirocco are or Golf GTi are solidly made, and have relatively cheap and available spare parts (due to boy racers flipping them on backroads, mostly lol).

I don't think they even made an auto version for either, tbh, and models found on enthusiasts sites seem to be very well maintained.

I also have a wee thing for the Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 - those things are incredibly fun!


FLAT PANDA 4x4!

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2019-03-25 08:09:48 AM  

uttertosh: stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.

Well, possibly you could consider a late 90's 'hot-hatch' from Europe? Many like the VW Scirocco are or Golf GTi are solidly made, and have relatively cheap and available spare parts (due to boy racers flipping them on backroads, mostly lol).

I don't think they even made an auto version for either, tbh, and models found on enthusiasts sites seem to be very well maintained.

I also have a wee thing for the Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 - those things are incredibly fun!


Oh, and in my experience, compared to American cars in general, allall those are 'economy' cars!
 
2019-03-25 08:10:02 AM  

doglover: The stick shift is superior to automatic transmission in all human measurements, but the future is electric and there's no need for a trans in those engines


What do you mean by "human measurements"?
 
2019-03-25 08:15:23 AM  

BafflerMeal: uttertosh: stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.

Well, possibly you could consider a late 90's 'hot-hatch' from Europe? Many like the VW Scirocco are or Golf GTi are solidly made, and have relatively cheap and available spare parts (due to boy racers flipping them on backroads, mostly lol).

I don't think they even made an auto version for either, tbh, and models found on enthusiasts sites seem to be very well maintained.

I also have a wee thing for the Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 - those things are incredibly fun!

FLAT PANDA 4x4!

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Scariest driving experience for me was being a passenger in a fiat Panda1L, going downhill in top gear, just to prove that it could be made to do 90Mph.

The carframe was juddering so hard I had double vision. It felt like nearing lightspeed. The poop nearly came out.

/got bragging rights, didn't care.
 
2019-03-25 08:17:02 AM  

AntonChigger: doglover: The stick shift is superior to automatic transmission in all human measurements, but the future is electric and there's no need for a trans in those engines

What do you mean by "human measurements"?


They mean it feels good, not any kind of objective measurement.
 
kab
2019-03-25 08:22:51 AM  
My 3 prior cars were manual (and a bunch more before that).  My current one has it, and my next one likely will also.

*shrug*

I've never driven a vehicle with a supercar-level paddle box admittedly.   I have owned a VW GTI with DSG (which seemed pretty highly touted at the time), and while it did shift quickly, under full throttle it didn't always want to shift *when* you asked it to.   Which made for the occasional worrisome over-rev scenario.

/even on its best day, it still wasn't as satisfying as a 3 pedal setup.
 
2019-03-25 08:25:03 AM  

uttertosh: BafflerMeal: uttertosh: stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.

Well, possibly you could consider a late 90's 'hot-hatch' from Europe? Many like the VW Scirocco are or Golf GTi are solidly made, and have relatively cheap and available spare parts (due to boy racers flipping them on backroads, mostly lol).

I don't think they even made an auto version for either, tbh, and models found on enthusiasts sites seem to be very well maintained.

I also have a wee thing for the Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 - those things are incredibly fun!

FLAT PANDA 4x4!

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

Scariest driving experience for me was being a passenger in a fiat Panda1L, going downhill in top gear, just to prove that it could be made to do 90Mph.

The carframe was juddering so hard I had double vision. It felt like nearing lightspeed. The poop nearly came out.

/got bragging rights, didn't care.


I used to have a Fiat Uno. The second and final car I ever had. It was ancient and underpowered (understatement) but it was economical, did the job, and served me well.

My first car was a Metro which I wrote off about 3 weeks after I passed my test. I was overconfident an careless.
 
2019-03-25 08:25:09 AM  

uttertosh: BafflerMeal: uttertosh: stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.

Well, possibly you could consider a late 90's 'hot-hatch' from Europe? Many like the VW Scirocco are or Golf GTi are solidly made, and have relatively cheap and available spare parts (due to boy racers flipping them on backroads, mostly lol).

I don't think they even made an auto version for either, tbh, and models found on enthusiasts sites seem to be very well maintained.

I also have a wee thing for the Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 - those things are incredibly fun!

FLAT PANDA 4x4!

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

Scariest driving experience for me was being a passenger in a fiat Panda1L, going downhill in top gear, just to prove that it could be made to do 90Mph.

The carframe was juddering so hard I had double vision. It felt like nearing lightspeed. The poop nearly came out.

/got bragging rights, didn't care.


A vintage Flat Panda is going to be a project car in our near future.  But we only want and 80s model with the 4x4.

The guys have a great club in Rome:

http://www.fiat500clubroma.it/galleri​a​-fotografica/

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/we call them 'flat pandas' because the old Fiat logo reads: FIAT PANDA in the font that is not quite that clear.
 
2019-03-25 08:25:33 AM  
I've been driving manuals all my life and I've dabbled in motorsports but my truck has an automatic, and my wife's car has an automatic.  Outside of track racing, manual transmissions have been out performed by automatics for quite some time now, and most track cars use paddle shifters now.
 
2019-03-25 08:32:00 AM  
I had to switch from manual to auto on my last daily driver due to shoulder and knee injuries.  I got the VW Tiguan AWD and it might not be fast but it feels pretty fast in sport mode when I stomp the gas.
 
2019-03-25 08:35:16 AM  
The last two cars I rented were automatics with CVTs. They seem to have no idea what to do with steep hills. 1500 RPM? No! FIVE THOUSAND! Wait, 2,000.

Heading up the Rockies I can keep my car at a constant 4,000 RPM in fourth gear to maintain highway speed. No muss, no fuss, no near-whiplash from shiatty autoshifting.
 
2019-03-25 08:40:26 AM  

NEDM: [img.fark.net image 553x393]
Modern automatics are more efficient than manuals now.  If you're holding out for one in your daily driver, you're just being stodgy at this point.

/and anyone who thinks a manual is better than an automatic for a DD has never had to drive on in stop-and-go traffic on a hilly highway
//RIP my left knee and my clutch
///offer not valid for a "sporty" car


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2019-03-25 08:50:01 AM  

NEDM: Modern automatics are more efficient than manuals now. If you're holding out for one in your daily driver, you're just being stodgy at this point.


This

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I drive a Prius and it would be hard to make that into a manual, seeing how it doesn't have a clutch or a complete drivetrain.


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Don't get me wrong, I loved my stick-shift Dodge Neon.  I drove that for about ten years.
As you may have guessed by now, I'm not that much of an automotive enthusiast, but I understand the satisfaction of driving a manual.  But stick-shift is at the end of its era, and discrete automatic transmission is probably starting its own decline.
 
2019-03-25 08:55:00 AM  

BafflerMeal: uttertosh: BafflerMeal: uttertosh: stir22: I was in the market for a new car about 5 years ago, and looked high and low for a stick shift. Could not find one, especially in my price range. Pretty much had to settle for an automatic, which I do not like. If anybody has an idea for a small, 2-door economy car which has a stick shift as an option, I would love to hear about the possibilities. Thank you.

Well, possibly you could consider a late 90's 'hot-hatch' from Europe? Many like the VW Scirocco are or Golf GTi are solidly made, and have relatively cheap and available spare parts (due to boy racers flipping them on backroads, mostly lol).

I don't think they even made an auto version for either, tbh, and models found on enthusiasts sites seem to be very well maintained.

I also have a wee thing for the Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 - those things are incredibly fun!

FLAT PANDA 4x4!

[img.fark.net image 850x566]

Scariest driving experience for me was being a passenger in a fiat Panda1L, going downhill in top gear, just to prove that it could be made to do 90Mph.

The carframe was juddering so hard I had double vision. It felt like nearing lightspeed. The poop nearly came out.

/got bragging rights, didn't care.

A vintage Flat Panda is going to be a project car in our near future.  But we only want and 80s model with the 4x4.

The guys have a great club in Rome:

http://www.fiat500clubroma.it/galleria​-fotografica/

[img.fark.net image 628x418]


/we call them 'flat pandas' because the old Fiat logo reads: FIAT PANDA in the font that is not quite that clear.


Oh, sweet!

/Also: Fiat Panda should totally be the nickname for the pound after brexit
 
2019-03-25 08:56:45 AM  

Slaxl: the percentage of new cars sold with backup cameras doubled, but the backup fatality rate declined by less than a third while backup injuries dropped only 8 percent.

I'm not a statistics expert but is that saying that as cars sold with backup cameras increased, so the rate of fatalities and injuries decreased? Because that seems like a good thing to me, something that would prove that they're useful, not that they lead to increased accidents due to overreliance on technology.


You're spot on. It doesn't say what percentage of cars on the road have backup cameras only that fatality rates dropped by 1/3. Seems to me that means that they're incredibly effective.
 
2019-03-25 08:58:07 AM  
Hell, I was driving 'three on the tree' when yer pappy was a white tadpole in yer grandpappy's marble sack!
Now that the 'old shtick' comment has been delivered I'd prefer to drive automatics in my later years. Less conscious thought is involved.
 
2019-03-25 08:59:53 AM  

AntonChigger: doglover: The stick shift is superior to automatic transmission in all human measurements, but the future is electric and there's no need for a trans in those engines

What do you mean by "human measurements"?


"I like it and don't care that most people dislike it"
 
2019-03-25 09:03:55 AM  
Cars nowadays kill less people than cars in ye olden days!  Bring back killer cars!
 
2019-03-25 09:05:05 AM  
Meh, paddle shifters are measurably and objective better than manuals by orders of magnitude. Also, I don't feel any less "connected". Steering input and butt feel keep me feeling "connected" just fine.
 
2019-03-25 09:06:07 AM  
I have some concerns that stick shift will not be available when I next purchase a vehicle. I had considered a new car this year, but I am buying a house in a month or two and this will put a bit of an immediate strain on my finances that I would rather not worsen.

I currently drive a Civic Si which in the US has only ever been available in manual. I hope that this tradition continues in the coming years.
 
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  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

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