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2019-03-24 08:46:46 PM  
Good.
 
2019-03-24 09:11:46 PM  
ummmm


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2019-03-24 09:22:51 PM  
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I remember when videogame players were given a videogame that required honest-to-god physical exertion and the players spent the next two decades trying to eliminate the physical exertion from the game.
 
2019-03-24 10:00:01 PM  
Hey, baseball is (was?) an olympic sport, that takes just about the same amount of effort.
 
2019-03-24 10:29:56 PM  
So no gold medal for pwning n00bs then?
 
2019-03-24 10:34:30 PM  
What about hosting an eOlympics?

What would we do about the Koreas?
 
2019-03-24 11:02:50 PM  

ThatsUnfortunate: ummmm


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That couch has been in more movies than the Wilhelm scream!
 
2019-03-24 11:24:45 PM  
They tried this years ago with tragic results.
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2019-03-25 12:09:21 AM  
Horse dancing is still good though right?
 
2019-03-25 12:41:15 AM  
But chess, darts, fishing, rope climbing, pistol dueling, club swinging, tandem bicycle sprint and tug of war are all okay though, right?
 
2019-03-25 12:48:30 AM  

maxwellton: But chess, darts, fishing, rope climbing, pistol dueling, club swinging, tandem bicycle sprint and tug of war are all okay though, right?


you sound fat.
 
2019-03-25 01:01:47 AM  
Counterpoint:

3 guys on a sofa pulled by a car
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2019-03-25 01:06:22 AM  

Mike_LowELL: [img.fark.net image 400x426]

I remember when videogame players were given a videogame that required honest-to-god physical exertion and the players spent the next two decades trying to eliminate the physical exertion from the game.


Meh. Everyone I knew played this with their hands.

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2019-03-25 01:16:20 AM  

Mike_LowELL: [img.fark.net image 400x426]

I remember when videogame players were given a videogame that required honest-to-god physical exertion and the players spent the next two decades trying to eliminate the physical exertion from the game.


We had to have those smuggled in the late 90s at GameWorks. The music wasn't properly licensed.
 
2019-03-25 01:39:17 AM  
might as well cancel the e-cig relay
 
2019-03-25 02:00:59 AM  
E sports people are more athletic than the middle two dudes in 4 man bobsled.
 
2019-03-25 02:14:07 AM  

wildcardjack: Mike_LowELL: [img.fark.net image 400x426]

I remember when videogame players were given a videogame that required honest-to-god physical exertion and the players spent the next two decades trying to eliminate the physical exertion from the game.

We had to have those smuggled in the late 90s at GameWorks. The music wasn't properly licensed.


Uh. Ok. So if someone saw them coming in unplugged it was a problem, but one on site you turned them on and used them for business? What kind of licensing law makes that doable? You don't think people who were concerned about this could just walk into public establishments and check but were worried about authoritative people randomly seeing these on or on a truck?

I'm genuinely curious because this story makes no sense to me.
 
2019-03-25 02:22:37 AM  

BafflerMeal: wildcardjack: Mike_LowELL: [img.fark.net image 400x426]

I remember when videogame players were given a videogame that required honest-to-god physical exertion and the players spent the next two decades trying to eliminate the physical exertion from the game.

We had to have those smuggled in the late 90s at GameWorks. The music wasn't properly licensed.

Uh. Ok. So if someone saw them coming in unplugged it was a problem, but one on site you turned them on and used them for business? What kind of licensing law makes that doable? You don't think people who were concerned about this could just walk into public establishments and check but were worried about authoritative people randomly seeing these on or on a truck?

I'm genuinely curious because this story makes no sense to me.


I'm guessing that the enforcement happened mostly at customs, and it wasn't worthwhile to go hunting the things down once they had crossed the border.  Customs would be the only place where they'd be seen by somebody whose job is to care.
 
2019-03-25 02:38:45 AM  
She's only been in Congress a few months, so what  does she know?
 
2019-03-25 03:06:04 AM  

Professor Science: BafflerMeal: wildcardjack: Mike_LowELL: [img.fark.net image 400x426]

I remember when videogame players were given a videogame that required honest-to-god physical exertion and the players spent the next two decades trying to eliminate the physical exertion from the game.

We had to have those smuggled in the late 90s at GameWorks. The music wasn't properly licensed.

Uh. Ok. So if someone saw them coming in unplugged it was a problem, but one on site you turned them on and used them for business? What kind of licensing law makes that doable? You don't think people who were concerned about this could just walk into public establishments and check but were worried about authoritative people randomly seeing these on or on a truck?

I'm genuinely curious because this story makes no sense to me.

I'm guessing that the enforcement happened mostly at customs, and it wasn't worthwhile to go hunting the things down once they had crossed the border.  Customs would be the only place where they'd be seen by somebody whose job is to care.


That makes sense I guess.  But the story wasn't very clear.  It read to me as if GameWorks, a high profile company, was smuggling these in under a tarp during the wee hours of the night.  Still, I think there is a bit more urban legend to the 'smuggling' part of the story just based on how rights management worked for those games.  They did have misc rights that expired so songs has to be removed, etc... so one could have a second hand machine that was out of proper licensing.
 
2019-03-25 03:12:04 AM  
I read it as es-ports.
 
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2019-03-25 03:37:21 AM  
Olympics should be about limits of the body, not limits of the mind  That's why dressage was an insult imo
 
2019-03-25 03:53:31 AM  

Xai: Olympics should be about limits of the body, not limits of the mind  That's why dressage was an insult imo


You don't like horse dance?
 
2019-03-25 06:34:44 AM  
Subby, that is not fair. No eSports competition would be done in a couch. They use exxxtreme office chairs, mostly.

\unless we're going for console speedruns in the Olympics
\\otherwise I don't there there's any console eSports, it's PC mostly, right?
 
2019-03-25 07:12:13 AM  
Not sure people on e's would be that interested in sport, they are more into dancing and bonking.
 
2019-03-25 07:32:15 AM  

wax_on: Hey, baseball is (was?) an olympic sport, that takes just about the same amount of effort.


Shooting and Archery are both olympic sports.  Not much physical fitness required for those events either.
 
2019-03-25 08:11:33 AM  
More importantly, the game can change with no notice by a 3rd party interested in making profit from the "sport".
 
2019-03-25 09:07:52 AM  
So would it be a different game every 4-8 year
 
2019-03-25 09:15:04 AM  
First the Green New Deal, and now this?
Who's she think she is?
 
2019-03-25 09:46:26 AM  

debug: wax_on: Hey, baseball is (was?) an olympic sport, that takes just about the same amount of effort.

Shooting and Archery are both olympic sports.  Not much physical fitness required for those events either.


I saw the 10 meter Air rifle for the first time last Olympics. They have these fancy guns with all kinds of gadgets sticking out of them and they stick post-it notes on their faces and stuff. It's very odd.

It's 30 feet. Hell I wish I knew about it when I was a kid in my back yard with my air rifle. I could have been an Olympic Athlete!
 
2019-03-25 10:15:56 AM  
Bribes not big enough.
 
2019-03-25 10:20:29 AM  

abhorrent1: debug: wax_on: Hey, baseball is (was?) an olympic sport, that takes just about the same amount of effort.

Shooting and Archery are both olympic sports.  Not much physical fitness required for those events either.

I saw the 10 meter Air rifle for the first time last Olympics. They have these fancy guns with all kinds of gadgets sticking out of them and they stick post-it notes on their faces and stuff. It's very odd.

It's 30 feet. Hell I wish I knew about it when I was a kid in my back yard with my air rifle. I could have been an Olympic Athlete!


There's no age limit (although young people have way more free time).  Geena Davis I thionk almost made the archery team a few olympics back and I don't think she took up the sport until her 30's.
 
2019-03-25 10:22:21 AM  
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Sorry, she was in her 40's when she picked up archery and almost made the olympics.

Actress Geena Davis took up archery at 41 and landed in the U.S. Olympic Trials just before the 2000 Games in Sydney.
 
2019-03-25 10:25:16 AM  
Not surprised.   Its going to take a huge loss of audience before the IOC consider adding any sort of E-sports , that and E-sports becoming as huge as any of the current group of major sports.   Right now they do not see the need and to honest they have other problems to deal with though so they seem to prefer to ignore and dodge dealing with them.
 
2019-03-25 11:18:49 AM  
Nobody cares about kids playing video games, except other kids playing video games.
 
2019-03-25 11:31:11 AM  
Ugh. Now that she's famous, she just has to have an opinion on every subject. I wish that IOC would just go away.

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2019-03-25 11:37:34 AM  

DecemberNitro: Nobody cares about kids playing video games, except other kids playing video games.


I was looking at the channel guide over the weekend and saw that ABC had on the Overwatch league finals. I had never heard of it, thinking it might be some "extreme" sport so turned it on. I saw a bunch of kids who probably got winded opening a can of Red Bull playing a shooting game. And they were going to show hours of this. Watching other people play video games just makes me twitch.
 
2019-03-25 11:46:08 AM  
E-Sports is just too huge of a concept for the Olympics right now.  If you tried to add "E-Sports," whatever that means, you're adding not just one event, but an entire class of events akin to, like, track and field, or pool sports.

And it's a field that's constantly in flux.  You've got a handful of games that are venerable enough that you can count on them having some competitive play 8+ years in the future, which is how Olympics are planned.  That's stuff like Starcraft, LoL, and Melee.  At some point though, you have to ask whether general TV audiences are going to want to watch people playing 20-25 year old video games, even if the competitive scene still technically exists.

Everything else is ad hoc.  Each new fighting game gets a new competitive scene for about 15 minutes, until the next new fighting game comes out.  Is there going to be competitive Overwatch in 8 years?  Is it going to look anything like Overwatch today?  Are we still going to be playing Counterstrike in the future, and if so, are we talking about CS 1.6, CS:S, CS:GO, or whatever CS 2022 is going to be?

You're not going to see the kind of stability you need to bring competitive E-Sports to the Olympics until, like, the 2040s.  Maybe then we'll have a handful of games that are venerable, stable, but still actively maintained, and popular enough to support an international TV audience.
 
2019-03-25 11:47:18 AM  
Because they can't figure out how to build a billion dollar stadium for esports?
 
2019-03-25 12:02:04 PM  

Catlenfell: Because they can't figure out how to build a billion dollar stadium for esports?


If they made it out of Legos, it wouldn't be very big
 
2019-03-25 12:23:58 PM  
Well, I imagine some people are pretty darn good at it, but wouldn't just going for points take some of the fun out of it? What's that? Oh... esPorts. Nevermind.
 
2019-03-25 12:41:29 PM  

doglover: E sports people are more athletic than the middle two dudes in 4 man bobsled.


Know how I know that you know nothing about bobsledding?
 
2019-03-25 01:56:58 PM  

Nuuu: E-Sports is just too huge of a concept for the Olympics right now.  If you tried to add "E-Sports," whatever that means, you're adding not just one event, but an entire class of events akin to, like, track and field, or pool sports.

And it's a field that's constantly in flux.  You've got a handful of games that are venerable enough that you can count on them having some competitive play 8+ years in the future, which is how Olympics are planned.  That's stuff like Starcraft, LoL, and Melee.  At some point though, you have to ask whether general TV audiences are going to want to watch people playing 20-25 year old video games, even if the competitive scene still technically exists.

Everything else is ad hoc.  Each new fighting game gets a new competitive scene for about 15 minutes, until the next new fighting game comes out.  Is there going to be competitive Overwatch in 8 years?  Is it going to look anything like Overwatch today?  Are we still going to be playing Counterstrike in the future, and if so, are we talking about CS 1.6, CS:S, CS:GO, or whatever CS 2022 is going to be?

You're not going to see the kind of stability you need to bring competitive E-Sports to the Olympics until, like, the 2040s.  Maybe then we'll have a handful of games that are venerable, stable, but still actively maintained, and popular enough to support an international TV audience.


There are a lot of problems with the esports scene.  You covered a lot of them.

The games can change from one week to the next, depending on patching or balancing.  The actual professional tournaments are handled either by a branch of the developer or a 3rd party. Both of whom will probably have different rules and regulations for the same game.  There needs to be some stability and a universal set of rules by which an Olympic level sport could be judged and maintained.

Add that in with the fact that orgs rise and fall all the time.  Again, no stability in esports.  Your sponsors could fold at any time, or drop support for the game you're playing, or cut the lights off and run with the money.

That brings me to the players.  Most of those guys are kids. Late teens, early 20s.  Around the same age as the other athletes.  You know they're not changing gymnastics or figure skating too much, but the face of Fortnite, Apex, LoL, etc would be completely unrecognizable in the 4 year hiatus, assuming it was still around.  Most people who watched the Olympics would be completely lost if they didn't follow the scene religiously in the interim. Hell, I know when I played Smite, they released a new god a month.  After 2 years, which item changes, map changes, character changes, mechanics changes, it wasn't even the same game.  Imagine trying to step into something like that every 4 years.
 
2019-03-25 02:12:49 PM  
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2019-03-25 02:17:49 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Nuuu: E-Sports is just too huge of a concept for the Olympics right now.  If you tried to add "E-Sports," whatever that means, you're adding not just one event, but an entire class of events akin to, like, track and field, or pool sports.

And it's a field that's constantly in flux.  You've got a handful of games that are venerable enough that you can count on them having some competitive play 8+ years in the future, which is how Olympics are planned.  That's stuff like Starcraft, LoL, and Melee.  At some point though, you have to ask whether general TV audiences are going to want to watch people playing 20-25 year old video games, even if the competitive scene still technically exists.

Everything else is ad hoc.  Each new fighting game gets a new competitive scene for about 15 minutes, until the next new fighting game comes out.  Is there going to be competitive Overwatch in 8 years?  Is it going to look anything like Overwatch today?  Are we still going to be playing Counterstrike in the future, and if so, are we talking about CS 1.6, CS:S, CS:GO, or whatever CS 2022 is going to be?

You're not going to see the kind of stability you need to bring competitive E-Sports to the Olympics until, like, the 2040s.  Maybe then we'll have a handful of games that are venerable, stable, but still actively maintained, and popular enough to support an international TV audience.

There are a lot of problems with the esports scene.  You covered a lot of them.

The games can change from one week to the next, depending on patching or balancing.  The actual professional tournaments are handled either by a branch of the developer or a 3rd party. Both of whom will probably have different rules and regulations for the same game.  There needs to be some stability and a universal set of rules by which an Olympic level sport could be judged and maintained.

Add that in with the fact that orgs rise and fall all the time.  Again, no stability in esports.  Your sponsors could fold at any time, or drop support for the game you're playing, or cut the lights off and run with the money.

That brings me to the players.  Most of those guys are kids. Late teens, early 20s.  Around the same age as the other athletes.  You know they're not changing gymnastics or figure skating too much, but the face of Fortnite, Apex, LoL, etc would be completely unrecognizable in the 4 year hiatus, assuming it was still around.  Most people who watched the Olympics would be completely lost if they didn't follow the scene religiously in the interim. Hell, I know when I played Smite, they released a new god a month.  After 2 years, which item changes, map changes, character changes, mechanics changes, it wasn't even the same game.  Imagine trying to step into something like that every 4 years.


For a group of individuals whose lives are run by the schools and their parents, and where even sports are thought to be increasingly controlled by a tiny elite with the money for the coaching, there's nothing more seductive than a global online platform where you can get all the way to the top without even having to leave your room.

But it's like you guys point out, that until there is some sort of technological stability inside the fastest-evolving media format in human history, the games will keep changing, and every five-to-ten years, you will have another generation of twenty-somethings that are now old men who are behind the times.

Not to mention that if the technology keeps getting better and better, it won't be the kid who spends forty hours a week on a computer winning at Counter-Strike, it will be the person who is skilled with a real gun and trains himself physically for real combat so that he can win at the very imagined versions.

Basically, e-Sports is one of the craziest manifestations of how absolutely loopy the world has gone, that we've created a global leaderboard and made it so hard to get rank one, there are people who will forego actual basketball in order to become the best at the digital version.

Or maybe I need to play 270,000 hours of Dota 2 before I am qualified to comment on it?  Huh?  Maybe I didn't think abuot thatt?
 
2019-03-25 09:23:45 PM  

debug: wax_on: Hey, baseball is (was?) an olympic sport, that takes just about the same amount of effort.

Shooting and Archery are both olympic sports.  Not much physical fitness required for those events either.


Tell who has never done either at any level.
 
2019-03-26 08:20:00 AM  

sprgrss: debug: wax_on: Hey, baseball is (was?) an olympic sport, that takes just about the same amount of effort.

Shooting and Archery are both olympic sports.  Not much physical fitness required for those events either.

Tell who has never done either at any level.


They require skill, not physical fitness.  There's a big difference between those two things.
 
2019-03-26 08:24:51 AM  

sprgrss: debug: wax_on: Hey, baseball is (was?) an olympic sport, that takes just about the same amount of effort.

Shooting and Archery are both olympic sports.  Not much physical fitness required for those events either.

Tell who has never done either at any level.


Olympic Gold medalist.  Not exactly a paragon of physical fitness.  Highly skilled though.
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