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2019-03-24 08:14:31 PM  
Rather than 70% of something, Cuomo would prefer 0% of nothing.
 
2019-03-24 08:20:46 PM  
So you're blaming movie people? Are you sure it's not Hillary's fault?
 
2019-03-24 08:57:10 PM  
So, which productions will leave? Gonna look more like:

Law & Order: Rhode Island
"Live, from Delaware, it's Saturday Night!"
Sesame Street, Akron
 
2019-03-24 11:08:21 PM  
Nice. Well, looks like we all know where his heart is.
 
2019-03-24 11:08:24 PM  
He seems to miss the point, the people pissed about Amazon getting billions of taxpayer money are also probably pissed about this too and want them cut.
 
2019-03-24 11:10:20 PM  
No wonder all of these rich NY pricks keep moving down here. Fark.

Kill em all.
 
2019-03-24 11:10:47 PM  

Znuh: Nice. Well, looks like we all know where his heart is.


We know where his heart is. After AOC won he changed the rules to make it harder to beat an incumbent.His heat is in his wallet.
 
2019-03-24 11:12:26 PM  
So no more TV shows about hapless Brooklynites oblivious to their own entitlement? Pity that.
 
2019-03-24 11:13:26 PM  
Cuomo and the rest of the corporate whores infesting our government need to fark off. Corporations have been allowed to drain America dry for too damn long.
 
2019-03-24 11:13:44 PM  

Sandelaphon: He seems to miss the point, the people pissed about Amazon getting billions of taxpayer money are also probably pissed about this too and want them cut.


Cynthia Nixon initially ran on repealing the film tax credit as well, but quickly flipped on the issue.
 
2019-03-24 11:16:04 PM  

LordJiro: Cuomo and the rest of the corporate whores infesting our government need to fark off. Corporations have been allowed to drain America dry for too damn long.


You'll never win the race to the bottom with that attitude!
 
2019-03-24 11:17:28 PM  

fragMasterFlash: So no more TV shows about hapless Brooklynites oblivious to their own entitlement? Pity that.


probably not, they will just be filmed somewhere else

with the "Brooklyn aesthetic" replicated across the country (Edison bulbs for everyone!), it should not be hard.
 
2019-03-24 11:20:24 PM  

beezeltown: So, which productions will leave? Gonna look more like:

Law & Order: Rhode Island
"Live, from Delaware, it's Saturday Night!"
Sesame Street, Akron


Or, you know, they'll move to Los Angeles. Hollywood itself. With its TMZ.
 
2019-03-24 11:20:35 PM  
Why bother with film incentives? How much money do you recoup with a team shooting on location? The real money is in perpetually charging for the finished content.

If you want to spur jobs make it farking easier to live and take one in NYC.
 
2019-03-24 11:21:30 PM  
He's just pissed that his band's only known for "The Sweater Song" and "Hash Pipe."
 
2019-03-24 11:21:47 PM  

fragMasterFlash: So no more TV shows about hapless Brooklynites oblivious to their own entitlement? Pity that.


Seinfeld was filmed in Los Angeles. Anything can be replicated.
 
2019-03-24 11:26:11 PM  
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2019-03-24 11:28:10 PM  

Sandelaphon: He seems to miss the point, the people pissed about Amazon getting billions of taxpayer money are also probably pissed about this too and want them cut.


The people aren't going to take care of Cuomo and give him a cushy job afterward for getting rid of the tax cuts.
 
2019-03-24 11:32:18 PM  
I'll play Devil's Advocate (because he does have a point).

Filming in a city has a side effect of promoting a city, and it's quite an intangible one.  In some ways it's a unique kind of promotion you can't buy elsewhere.  (Note: the same can be said of sports, so.)

Meanwhile it has relatively few drawbacks beyond loss of revenue. It generally does not stress infrastructure, though it certainly can shut down infrastructure temporarily.  It won't be a bomb on the earning potential or demographic make-up of an area.

But yeah, a lot of people are like, "Enough with the corporate welfare lol," but don't raise an eyebrow at some kinds of incentives.  As usual it rarely comes down to, "I'm morally against this practice," but rather, "I'm against this practice except when it helps me."
 
2019-03-24 11:36:36 PM  

aerojockey: I'll play Devil's Advocate (because he does have a point).

Filming in a city has a side effect of promoting a city, and it's quite an intangible one.  In some ways it's a unique kind of promotion you can't buy elsewhere.  (Note: the same can be said of sports, so.)

Meanwhile it has relatively few drawbacks beyond loss of revenue. It generally does not stress infrastructure, though it certainly can shut down infrastructure temporarily.  It won't be a bomb on the earning potential or demographic make-up of an area.

But yeah, a lot of people are like, "Enough with the corporate welfare lol," but don't raise an eyebrow at some kinds of incentives.  As usual it rarely comes down to, "I'm morally against this practice," but rather, "I'm against this practice except when it helps me."


You'd have a point if NYC wasn't perhaps the most popular, well known city in the world. It's called the capital of the whole world for a reason. It doesn't need to scrape for publicity.
 
2019-03-24 11:37:56 PM  

Imaginativescreenname: He's just pissed that his band's only known for "The Sweater Song" and "Hash Pipe."


This is buddy holly erasure
 
2019-03-24 11:44:10 PM  

sinner4ever: Znuh: Nice. Well, looks like we all know where his heart is.

We know where his heart is. After AOC won he changed the rules to make it harder to beat an incumbent.His heat is in his wallet.


Like father, like son. There's a reason the original earned the moniker "Grand Moff Cuomo".
 
2019-03-24 11:45:14 PM  
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2019-03-24 11:47:49 PM  
I hope he at least waits until Trump is visiting before he sets off the caches of wildfire under the city. It would be even better if there's some sort of maga hat rally going on.
 
2019-03-24 11:49:29 PM  

fragMasterFlash: So no more TV shows about hapless Brooklynites oblivious to their own entitlement? Pity that.


Hey, he may be oblivious, but Jake Perralta is a damn good cop.
 
2019-03-24 11:49:47 PM  
I'm not a big fan of city tax incentives period unless it makes financial sense for the city's bottom line which it all too often doesn't despite hand-waving projections etc.  If they want to film in NY they're going to break or not
 
2019-03-24 11:55:47 PM  

Esc7: aerojockey: I'll play Devil's Advocate (because he does have a point).

Filming in a city has a side effect of promoting a city, and it's quite an intangible one.  In some ways it's a unique kind of promotion you can't buy elsewhere.  (Note: the same can be said of sports, so.)

Meanwhile it has relatively few drawbacks beyond loss of revenue. It generally does not stress infrastructure, though it certainly can shut down infrastructure temporarily.  It won't be a bomb on the earning potential or demographic make-up of an area.

But yeah, a lot of people are like, "Enough with the corporate welfare lol," but don't raise an eyebrow at some kinds of incentives.  As usual it rarely comes down to, "I'm morally against this practice," but rather, "I'm against this practice except when it helps me."

You'd have a point if NYC wasn't perhaps the most popular, well known city in the world. It's called the capital of the whole world for a reason. It doesn't need to scrape for publicity.


There's a reason why Coca-Cola spends so much in their marketing budget.

I don't know of many New Yorkers, if any, who are bothered one whit about film incentives. Sure, we may be mildly inconvenienced by streets getting blocked off, but these are very minor. I lived in the old bank building where The Inside Man was filmed. I was walking by the area just off Bowling Green where a scene from The Other Guys was being filmed (where the city clerk threatens to jump out of his window near the end of the movie, and does). These are cool stories. Having movies filmed in NYC is a big boon for everyone. It keeps talent in the city, not just in front of the camera but especially behind, and there are studios in Queens where they shoot a lot of things.

Cuomo is a major league asshole and this is among the reasons why.
 
2019-03-24 11:56:51 PM  
Good. The sooner we get everyone to stop giving out these stupid tax incentives the better.
 
2019-03-25 12:06:59 AM  

Esc7: aerojockey: I'll play Devil's Advocate (because he does have a point).

Filming in a city has a side effect of promoting a city, and it's quite an intangible one.  In some ways it's a unique kind of promotion you can't buy elsewhere.  (Note: the same can be said of sports, so.)

Meanwhile it has relatively few drawbacks beyond loss of revenue. It generally does not stress infrastructure, though it certainly can shut down infrastructure temporarily.  It won't be a bomb on the earning potential or demographic make-up of an area.

But yeah, a lot of people are like, "Enough with the corporate welfare lol," but don't raise an eyebrow at some kinds of incentives.  As usual it rarely comes down to, "I'm morally against this practice," but rather, "I'm against this practice except when it helps me."

You'd have a point if NYC wasn't perhaps the most popular, well known city in the world. It's called the capital of the whole world for a reason. It doesn't need to scrape for publicity.


Do you think it's possible that the likes of Woody Allen, Spike Lee, Scorsese, Coppola, Lumet, et al., have anything to do with NYC having the cultural significance that it does?

/Coca-Cola spends *billions* of dollars on advertising every year; it isn't because they think they're an obscure brand that needs to scrape for publicity
 
2019-03-25 12:07:42 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: There's a reason why Coca-Cola spends so much in their marketing budget.


LOL goddammit you went to the same example
 
2019-03-25 12:15:27 AM  
Esc7:If you want to spur jobs make it farking easier to live and take one in NYC.

But if we let all the proles in no one will want to live here.
 
2019-03-25 12:16:45 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: . Sure, we may be mildly inconvenienced by streets getting blocked off, but these are very minor.


I like when a PA tries to tell you you can't walk on a public street and tries futilely to stop you.  They once attempted to stop me from leaving my own front door.
 
2019-03-25 12:26:16 AM  

lilplatinum: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: . Sure, we may be mildly inconvenienced by streets getting blocked off, but these are very minor.

I like when a PA tries to tell you you can't walk on a public street and tries futilely to stop you.  They once attempted to stop me from leaving my own front door.


Same. You see the desperation in their eyes, these poor kicked-around factotums hoping not to get fired.
 
2019-03-25 12:33:25 AM  
berylman:

Don't be so sure.  New Orleans is giving out tax breaks and Kevin Smith, who owes his life basically to a certain convenience store in New Jersey, found it cheaper to just build a fake one in Louisiana than actually film in NJ.
 
2019-03-25 12:37:19 AM  
Smooth move AOC.
 
2019-03-25 12:37:34 AM  
Lol I guess the point isn't to market NYC, it's to make New Yorkers feel good about themselves.
 
2019-03-25 12:38:51 AM  
If Kevin Smith, the most sentimental filmmaker in Hollywood, is willing to film a Jay and Silent Bob movie without including the real Quick Stop for financial reasons, imagine how fast a cold blooded studio executive will kick New York to the curb when real money is coming from the Chinese market anyway.

Just show the NYC skyline to establish location, film the rest on some sets in New Orleans, save millions. That's what's coming. Eventually they might stop even setting movies in NYC, save even more.
 
2019-03-25 12:41:31 AM  

Esc7: Why bother with film incentives? How much money do you recoup with a team shooting on location?


louisisna had incentives.  and hollywood south.  then numb nuts in both the governors office (jindal) and the legislature cut them -- some say drastically.  some of the fledgling studios died or scaled way back and a bunch went to GA.  in the new orleans metro area there was much gnashing of teeth but the new governor and legislature looked at the loss of revenue and all the free publicity and had a change of heart. a lot has come back and we once again are rolling in that phat movie cash.

ok maybe not rolling but you see the crews out here and there spreading money around.
 
2019-03-25 12:42:35 AM  

doglover: If Kevin Smith, the most sentimental filmmaker in Hollywood, is willing to film a Jay and Silent Bob movie without including the real Quick Stop for financial reasons, imagine how fast a cold blooded studio executive will kick New York to the curb when real money is coming from the Chinese market anyway.

Just show the NYC skyline to establish location, film the rest on some sets in New Orleans, save millions. That's what's coming. Eventually they might stop even setting movies in NYC, save even more.


Exactly how much of NYC's economy is based on being a set for movies?
 
2019-03-25 12:46:48 AM  

mistahtom: Smooth move AOC.


It actually was.  Amazon was asking for money to move their headquarters.

The executives, the vice presidents, the top dogs. Most of the jobs are already filled, and they make bank. So those people would just move into the area, displacing well to do native new yorkers from their housing by driving up prices without adding jobs. Those displaced would the  move out one ring, driving up housing prices without adding jobs, displacing the next rung down etc etc.

It would just have been a huge gentrification bomb subsidized by the taxpayers for Cumo's personal profit and very few other people. Maybe some janitors would get "created" jobs, and the vegan organic kale taco trucks would sell a few more units at lunch. Everyone else would have lost, ultimately
 
2019-03-25 12:49:44 AM  
doglover:Don't be so sure.  New Orleans is giving out tax breaks and Kevin Smith, who owes his life basically to a certain convenience store in New Jersey, found it cheaper to just build a fake one in Louisiana than actually film in NJ.

Random side note: Not really a Kevin Smith fan but I loved Tusk which got widely panned or diseregarded but I thought was brilliant horror and got filmed not too far away in Charlotte, NC
 
2019-03-25 12:49:49 AM  
I mean, is the tax incentive really necessary? Sure, rural areas of every shade of the rainbow are for sale all over the country and people will pick the cheapest option, but if you want a super-populous city setting, your options are kinda limited, and nobody's champing at the bit to make CSI Grand Island.

I'm assuming the starving artists throwing millions at long-running cop sitcoms and dystopian films will find a way to make ends meet.
 
2019-03-25 12:53:53 AM  

Nullav: I mean, is the tax incentive really necessary? Sure, rural areas of every shade of the rainbow are for sale all over the country and people will pick the cheapest option, but if you want a super-populous city setting, your options are kinda limited, and nobody's champing at the bit to make CSI Grand Island.


Meh, tax credits for movie make more sense because they employ a lot of artistic types who are already in New York, and will spend that money locally since they are too broke to save or invest.   You know, giving some jobs to people already in NY.

Paying a bunch of amazon execs to move to an area that already has an affordable housing crisis when their rich asses would move here without the bribe (see: google NYC) is a different beast.
 
2019-03-25 12:54:18 AM  

Target Builder: doglover: If Kevin Smith, the most sentimental filmmaker in Hollywood, is willing to film a Jay and Silent Bob movie without including the real Quick Stop for financial reasons, imagine how fast a cold blooded studio executive will kick New York to the curb when real money is coming from the Chinese market anyway.

Just show the NYC skyline to establish location, film the rest on some sets in New Orleans, save millions. That's what's coming. Eventually they might stop even setting movies in NYC, save even more.

Exactly how much of NYC's economy is based on being a set for movies?


At least $105 Billion with 1,000 Ms and 780,000 jobs were sustained by the tourism industry in 2016.

How many people from around the world would be champing at the bit to go see Times Square without the strip clubs and watch grown men get in a fist fight over which identical slice of pizza is the "best" in the city if New York wasn't the setting for every other huge movie?  Probably a lot less.
 
2019-03-25 01:01:44 AM  

aerojockey: I'll play Devil's Advocate (because he does have a point).

Filming in a city has a side effect of promoting a city, and it's quite an intangible one.  In some ways it's a unique kind of promotion you can't buy elsewhere.  (Note: the same can be said of sports, so.)


A few things: 1) You can buy that elsewhere with a targeted marketing campaign. 2) States use this logic all of the time; just because a movie shoots in your city doesn't mean your city actually gets promoted. Cities like  Philadelphia are often used as stand in for NYC. In other words, Philadelphia's tax credit is being used to promote NYC.

Meanwhile it has relatively few drawbacks beyond loss of revenue. It generally does not stress infrastructure, though it certainly can shut down infrastructure temporarily.  It won't be a bomb on the earning potential or demographic make-up of an area.

Clearly you've never lived in a place where a film is being shot. Streets get shutdown, all of the on-street parking in the area is reserved for the shoot, etc. - it's a major disruption. 

But yeah, a lot of people are like, "Enough with the corporate welfare lol," but don't raise an eyebrow at some kinds of incentives.  As usual it rarely comes down to, "I'm morally against this practice," but rather, "I'm against this practice except when it helps me."

But it doesn't help you. That money could go to something that has a much more direct impact on you, like increased school funding, more police officers, infrastructure repairs, etc.
 
2019-03-25 01:04:16 AM  

doglover: If Kevin Smith, the most sentimental filmmaker in Hollywood, is willing to film a Jay and Silent Bob movie without including the real Quick Stop for financial reasons, imagine how fast a cold blooded studio executive will kick New York to the curb when real money is coming from the Chinese market anyway.

Just show the NYC skyline to establish location, film the rest on some sets in New Orleans, save millions. That's what's coming. Eventually they might stop even setting movies in NYC, save even more.


The horror. How will NYC survive.
 
2019-03-25 01:08:06 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Esc7: aerojockey: I'll play Devil's Advocate (because he does have a point).

Filming in a city has a side effect of promoting a city, and it's quite an intangible one.  In some ways it's a unique kind of promotion you can't buy elsewhere.  (Note: the same can be said of sports, so.)

Meanwhile it has relatively few drawbacks beyond loss of revenue. It generally does not stress infrastructure, though it certainly can shut down infrastructure temporarily.  It won't be a bomb on the earning potential or demographic make-up of an area.

But yeah, a lot of people are like, "Enough with the corporate welfare lol," but don't raise an eyebrow at some kinds of incentives.  As usual it rarely comes down to, "I'm morally against this practice," but rather, "I'm against this practice except when it helps me."

You'd have a point if NYC wasn't perhaps the most popular, well known city in the world. It's called the capital of the whole world for a reason. It doesn't need to scrape for publicity.

There's a reason why Coca-Cola spends so much in their marketing budget.

I don't know of many New Yorkers, if any, who are bothered one whit about film incentives. Sure, we may be mildly inconvenienced by streets getting blocked off, but these are very minor. I lived in the old bank building where The Inside Man was filmed. I was walking by the area just off Bowling Green where a scene from The Other Guys was being filmed (where the city clerk threatens to jump out of his window near the end of the movie, and does). These are cool stories. Having movies filmed in NYC is a big boon for everyone. It keeps talent in the city, not just in front of the camera but especially behind, and there are studios in Queens where they shoot a lot of things.

Cuomo is a major league asshole and this is among the reasons why.


Well you can count me as a new york citizen pissed off by these incentives.  The money for these incentives come from all around the state but they only exist to benefit NYC.  The sooner they get rid of the NYC first tax programs the better the entire state will be.
 
2019-03-25 01:13:37 AM  

Sandelaphon: He seems to miss the point, the people pissed about Amazon getting billions of taxpayer money are also probably pissed about this too and want them cut.


That the film credit leads to local professionals, and encourages organic growth of the local area, gives it two critical differences between it and the Amazon deal.
 
2019-03-25 01:17:45 AM  

thornhill: all of the on-street parking in the area is reserved for the shoot, etc. - it's a major disruption.


You know what most of us who live in New York care very little about?   Parking, because we don't drive.
 
2019-03-25 01:19:47 AM  

Warlordtrooper: The money for these incentives come from all around the state but they only exist to benefit NYC.


Yeah, and the money our city generates supports the money your garbage upstate igloo farms rely on, god forbid we see any benefits from our taxes.
 
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