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2019-03-23 08:22:17 PM  
Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.
 
2019-03-23 09:44:14 PM  
That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.
 
2019-03-23 10:50:15 PM  

Speaker2Animals: That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.


I almost guarantee there's some of this dirty shiat going on:

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TWX
2019-03-23 10:54:29 PM  

fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.


There should never be court costs in my opinion either. Criminal court and the justice system generally should run at a loss outside of actual judgments against defendants, and any time those judgments are levied for criminal cases to be awarded to a government entity, that money should go into the general fund. It should never specifically go to the courts, the DA's office, or law enforcement as those entities have every incentive to self-deal and have the power in which to do it.

Same goes for anything seized through asset forfeiture processes. Money goes into general fund if that kind of thing happens at all.
 
2019-03-23 10:55:24 PM  
I don't know where to even start on how farked up that system is.  So, you have to pay for time spent in jail during which you can't work to make money to pay for the time in jail.  Then if you still can't pay for the time in jail, if you even have a job afterwards, you have to take more time off work, to go to court to explain why you can't afford to pay.
 
2019-03-23 10:57:33 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Speaker2Animals: That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.

I almost guarantee there's some of this dirty shiat going on:

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Wait...28 years for taking $1million to fark over a small number of American citizens...but if you take several million and fark over a few hundred million citizens you get seven years. I don't understand our justice system sometimes, what is the exact cutoff of whiteness/money do you need to be able to avoid punishment for things?
 
2019-03-23 10:58:38 PM  
That judge is going to jail.
 
2019-03-23 11:04:28 PM  

shinji3i: UNC_Samurai: Speaker2Animals: That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.

I almost guarantee there's some of this dirty shiat going on:

[cnn.com image 640x360]

Wait...28 years for taking $1million to fark over a small number of American citizens...but if you take several million and fark over a few hundred million citizens you get seven years. I don't understand our justice system sometimes, what is the exact cutoff of whiteness/money do you need to be able to avoid punishment for things?


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2019-03-23 11:08:09 PM  

TWX: fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.

There should never be court costs in my opinion either. Criminal court and the justice system generally should run at a loss outside of actual judgments against defendants, and any time those judgments are levied for criminal cases to be awarded to a government entity, that money should go into the general fund. It should never specifically go to the courts, the DA's office, or law enforcement as those entities have every incentive to self-deal and have the power in which to do it.

Same goes for anything seized through asset forfeiture processes. Money goes into general fund if that kind of thing happens at all.


It makes sense to.use seized cars as undercover cars. But asset forfeiture should happen only after a conviction and when the assets can be shown to be purchased with proceeds from a crime.
 
2019-03-23 11:11:15 PM  

aleister_greynight: I don't know where to even start on how farked up that system is.  So, you have to pay for time spent in jail during which you can't work to make money to pay for the time in jail.  Then if you still can't pay for the time in jail, if you even have a job afterwards, you have to take more time off work, to go to court to explain why you can't afford to pay.


You missed a step. If you can't explain why you can't pay, you go back to the jail and accrue more debt.
 
2019-03-23 11:17:16 PM  
Salt lake county used todo this. 40 bucks a day.
 
2019-03-23 11:21:17 PM  
Yeah, that's some bullshiat right there. Totally different than going to jail to serve time on a fine that you can't/won't/don't pay... If I went to jail and then got billed for it, I'd be pissed. I went to jail for fines that I didn't pay, and accepted that. This would be totally different...
 
2019-03-23 11:24:37 PM  
How much ya wanna bet he has family or friends in the private prison industry?
 
2019-03-23 11:25:48 PM  

fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.


Just add it to the list of ways that rural area dwellers screw themselves.
 
2019-03-23 11:26:26 PM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: shinji3i: UNC_Samurai: Speaker2Animals: That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.

I almost guarantee there's some of this dirty shiat going on:

[cnn.com image 640x360]

Wait...28 years for taking $1million to fark over a small number of American citizens...but if you take several million and fark over a few hundred million citizens you get seven years. I don't understand our justice system sometimes, what is the exact cutoff of whiteness/money do you need to be able to avoid punishment for things?

[img.fark.net image 468x338] +[img.fark.net image 355x355]
A handy guide


WTF is that cash haul from?
 
2019-03-23 11:31:17 PM  
When my ex got out of prison, his fines and court costs owed over $5,000.  His last year in prison, he was in work release.  They took 50% of his paycheck for room and board, another 20 percent went towards his fines and court costs, and out of any remaining funds, he was given up to $100 a week into his account that he could then buy his food, hygiene, transportation expenses, etc. Any money left was then put into an account that he was given when he was released.  Yet he still owed over $5,000 when he got released.
 
2019-03-23 11:32:51 PM  

Tracianne: When my ex got out of prison, his fines and court costs owed over $5,000.  His last year in prison, he was in work release.  They took 50% of his paycheck for room and board, another 20 percent went towards his fines and court costs, and out of any remaining funds, he was given up to $100 a week into his account that he could then buy his food, hygiene, transportation expenses, etc. Any money left was then put into an account that he was given when he was released.  Yet he still owed over $5,000 when he got released.


It's a feature.
 
2019-03-23 11:41:26 PM  

Tracianne: When my ex got out of prison, his fines and court costs owed over $5,000.  His last year in prison, he was in work release.  They took 50% of his paycheck for room and board, another 20 percent went towards his fines and court costs, and out of any remaining funds, he was given up to $100 a week into his account that he could then buy his food, hygiene, transportation expenses, etc. Any money left was then put into an account that he was given when he was released.  Yet he still owed over $5,000 when he got released.


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2019-03-23 11:42:19 PM  

aleister_greynight: I don't know where to even start on how farked up that system is.  So, you have to pay for time spent in jail during which you can't work to make money to pay for the time in jail.  Then if you still can't pay for the time in jail, if you even have a job afterwards, you have to take more time off work, to go to court to explain why you can't afford to pay.


Just need to start selling drugs if you're unemployed in order to make the cash to pay for jail, since you cant get a good job with a criminal record.
 
2019-03-23 11:51:00 PM  
I hope someday this judge gets caught in a situation like the one he's inflicting on others.
 
2019-03-23 11:55:20 PM  

aleister_greynight: Tracianne: When my ex got out of prison, his fines and court costs owed over $5,000.  His last year in prison, he was in work release.  They took 50% of his paycheck for room and board, another 20 percent went towards his fines and court costs, and out of any remaining funds, he was given up to $100 a week into his account that he could then buy his food, hygiene, transportation expenses, etc. Any money left was then put into an account that he was given when he was released.  Yet he still owed over $5,000 when he got released.

It's a feature.


Unfortunately, yes. I've been on work release. The only reason to take that option is if you have a job you can't replace after a brief jail stint or have dependants. Otherwise, take the jail time (not prison).

On work release, they will take every opportunity to extend your stay (and their income) by dinking you on the most minor infractions. /CSB

I waited every day for a pick up back to the halfway... not house... but pseudo-jail.  I bought smokes, a soda, etc. One day I bought a lotto ticket. Got back to the center, and bam, 2 more weeks for gambling. I offered to burn the ticket and claimed ignorance (Powerball was a dollar then). They said no, confiscated the ticket and I got two more weeks of bills. Then there was being fined for making your bed Inproperly (that never hit me, previous military service), shiat like that hung over your head Damocles style every day.
/End CSB.
 
2019-03-23 11:56:37 PM  

Weaver95: I hope someday this judge gets caught in a situation like the one he's inflicting on others.


I hope it's crushing medical debt, that his insurance won't cover.
 
2019-03-24 12:02:08 AM  

HerptheDerp: aleister_greynight: I don't know where to even start on how farked up that system is.  So, you have to pay for time spent in jail during which you can't work to make money to pay for the time in jail.  Then if you still can't pay for the time in jail, if you even have a job afterwards, you have to take more time off work, to go to court to explain why you can't afford to pay.

Just need to start selling drugs if you're unemployed in order to make the cash to pay for jail, since you cant get a good job with a criminal record.


Every time I was in jail, I ran into a few guys that couldn't get jobs due to a record and broke the law (theft or drugs usually) trying to feed themselves and/ or their family. It goes round and round.

Granted, there were others that chose that life as a career. Big time thieves, drug dealing middle management, etc. Fork those guys, but the people just trying to survive? It's bullshirt.
 
2019-03-24 12:02:16 AM  

Speaker2Animals: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: shinji3i: UNC_Samurai: Speaker2Animals: That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.

I almost guarantee there's some of this dirty shiat going on:

[cnn.com image 640x360]

Wait...28 years for taking $1million to fark over a small number of American citizens...but if you take several million and fark over a few hundred million citizens you get seven years. I don't understand our justice system sometimes, what is the exact cutoff of whiteness/money do you need to be able to avoid punishment for things?

[img.fark.net image 468x338] +[img.fark.net image 355x355]
A handy guide

WTF is that cash haul from?


Zhenli Ye Gon
 
2019-03-24 12:04:27 AM  
My times in jail were over 15 years ago and I've straightened out enough to be a productive human. However, some don't get the extra chance(s) I did.
 
TWX
2019-03-24 12:04:43 AM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: TWX: fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.

There should never be court costs in my opinion either. Criminal court and the justice system generally should run at a loss outside of actual judgments against defendants, and any time those judgments are levied for criminal cases to be awarded to a government entity, that money should go into the general fund. It should never specifically go to the courts, the DA's office, or law enforcement as those entities have every incentive to self-deal and have the power in which to do it.

Same goes for anything seized through asset forfeiture processes. Money goes into general fund if that kind of thing happens at all.

It makes sense to.use seized cars as undercover cars. But asset forfeiture should happen only after a conviction and when the assets can be shown to be purchased with proceeds from a crime.


I don't agree. It encourages cars to be seized for police use. Cars have been seized for things like accusations of solicitation of prostitution, which is now the word of the police against the vehicle owner.

Property that isn't contraband shouldn't be permanently seized unless the defendant is convicted. Property that isn't contraband should be returned to an acquitted defendant unless chain of custody shows some other lawful owner. Property seized should be required to be publicly auctioned, and the money go into general fund.

Entities like police should always be funded through taxation and should operate at a loss. They're not there to make money, they're there to protect society. As such society should pay for them,
 
2019-03-24 12:06:09 AM  

fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.


Charging people money for being in jail which they are in because they couldn't pay court costs which they have to pay again each time they are in court while the court tries to collect court costs which are in addition to original fines.
 
2019-03-24 12:08:10 AM  

TWX: Pats_Cloth_Coat: TWX: fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.

There should never be court costs in my opinion either. Criminal court and the justice system generally should run at a loss outside of actual judgments against defendants, and any time those judgments are levied for criminal cases to be awarded to a government entity, that money should go into the general fund. It should never specifically go to the courts, the DA's office, or law enforcement as those entities have every incentive to self-deal and have the power in which to do it.

Same goes for anything seized through asset forfeiture processes. Money goes into general fund if that kind of thing happens at all.

It makes sense to.use seized cars as undercover cars. But asset forfeiture should happen only after a conviction and when the assets can be shown to be purchased with proceeds from a crime.

I don't agree. It encourages cars to be seized for police use. Cars have been seized for things like accusations of solicitation of prostitution, which is now the word of the police against the vehicle owner.

Property that isn't contraband shouldn't be permanently seized unless the defendant is convicted. Property that isn't contraband should be returned to an acquitted defendant unless chain of custody shows some other lawful owner. Property seized should be required to be publicly auctioned, and the money go into general fund.

Entities like police should always be funded through taxation and should operate at a loss. They're not there to make money, they're there to protect society. As such society should pay for them,


Police, fire departments, emergency services, jail, prison, and the court (with equal funding per case for prosecutors and public defenders) should all operate at a loss. Other than that, I totally agree.
 
2019-03-24 12:08:40 AM  

Pats_Cloth_Coat: TWX: fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.

There should never be court costs in my opinion either. Criminal court and the justice system generally should run at a loss outside of actual judgments against defendants, and any time those judgments are levied for criminal cases to be awarded to a government entity, that money should go into the general fund. It should never specifically go to the courts, the DA's office, or law enforcement as those entities have every incentive to self-deal and have the power in which to do it.

Same goes for anything seized through asset forfeiture processes. Money goes into general fund if that kind of thing happens at all.

It makes sense to.use seized cars as undercover cars. But asset forfeiture should happen only after a conviction and when the assets can be shown to be purchased with proceeds from a crime.


But then we would have to assure the person a speedy trial.
And that would be unconstitutional.
 
2019-03-24 12:09:36 AM  

archeochick: Pats_Cloth_Coat: TWX: fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.

There should never be court costs in my opinion either. Criminal court and the justice system generally should run at a loss outside of actual judgments against defendants, and any time those judgments are levied for criminal cases to be awarded to a government entity, that money should go into the general fund. It should never specifically go to the courts, the DA's office, or law enforcement as those entities have every incentive to self-deal and have the power in which to do it.

Same goes for anything seized through asset forfeiture processes. Money goes into general fund if that kind of thing happens at all.

It makes sense to.use seized cars as undercover cars. But asset forfeiture should happen only after a conviction and when the assets can be shown to be purchased with proceeds from a crime.

But then we would have to assure the person a speedy trial.
And that would be unconstitutional.


Umm
 
2019-03-24 12:13:21 AM  

baron von doodle: archeochick: Pats_Cloth_Coat: TWX: fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.

There should never be court costs in my opinion either. Criminal court and the justice system generally should run at a loss outside of actual judgments against defendants, and any time those judgments are levied for criminal cases to be awarded to a government entity, that money should go into the general fund. It should never specifically go to the courts, the DA's office, or law enforcement as those entities have every incentive to self-deal and have the power in which to do it.

Same goes for anything seized through asset forfeiture processes. Money goes into general fund if that kind of thing happens at all.

It makes sense to.use seized cars as undercover cars. But asset forfeiture should happen only after a conviction and when the assets can be shown to be purchased with proceeds from a crime.

But then we would have to assure the person a speedy trial.
And that would be unconstitutional.

Umm


Please tell me I don't need to /s that.
/please.
 
2019-03-24 12:14:02 AM  

Speaker2Animals: That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.


Missouri doesn't elect judges. We use the Missouri Plan, where the Governor appoints judges and they get retention votes every so many years.
 
2019-03-24 12:16:34 AM  
This isn't even the worst of it.  Messenger ran a series of stories last year about how court dates were moved on people without telling them and then they would be arrested and charged the court costs AND have to go to jail and pay for that.  There are a weeks worth of stories he wrote and each one will make you angrier and angrier.  And you know how bad it has to be for the GOP super majority in the MO state house, and Missouri SC, to do something about it?  They would gladly tell poor people to fark themselves if it won them a few more seats.
 
2019-03-24 12:18:24 AM  

Speaker2Animals: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: shinji3i: UNC_Samurai: Speaker2Animals: That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.

I almost guarantee there's some of this dirty shiat going on:

[cnn.com image 640x360]

Wait...28 years for taking $1million to fark over a small number of American citizens...but if you take several million and fark over a few hundred million citizens you get seven years. I don't understand our justice system sometimes, what is the exact cutoff of whiteness/money do you need to be able to avoid punishment for things?

[img.fark.net image 468x338] +[img.fark.net image 355x355]
A handy guide

WTF is that cash haul from?


Cash haul? That's a pic from my panic room. Unfortunately, I'm a member of the Blue Man group so it still isn't enough to feel really safe.
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2019-03-24 12:21:17 AM  

bluenote13: This isn't even the worst of it.  Messenger ran a series of stories last year about how court dates were moved on people without telling them and then they would be arrested and charged the court costs AND have to go to jail and pay for that.  There are a weeks worth of stories he wrote and each one will make you angrier and angrier.  And you know how bad it has to be for the GOP super majority in the MO state house, and Missouri SC, to do something about it?  They would gladly tell poor people to fark themselves if it won them a few more seats.


so basically what you're saying is that well, since you're going to be f*cked anyways, lose all your cash, AND never be able to get another legit job again under any circumstances....that basically murdering the shiat outta rich white republicans is now a totally valid survival strategy?
 
2019-03-24 12:24:47 AM  

baron von doodle: My times in jail were over 15 years ago and I've straightened out enough to be a productive human. However, some don't get the extra chance(s) I did.


I hear ya. I was in the same boat 40 years ago. Then you could further your education and get job training. Now you come out in debt & screwed.

csb: I might have started the FARK meme about putting evidence in the locker. I sold 1/4 of weed and was only charged with selling 30 grams, 2 above making it a felony.I wanted to protest about dirty cops @ my sentencing but my lawyer convinced me to STFU.

Also on my 1st day of work release they forgot to pick my up. I kept calling and waited 3 hours after my shift to get back. I was worried I was gonna get charged with an escape.
 
2019-03-24 12:28:01 AM  
Missouri is the Florida of the Midwest.
 
2019-03-24 12:39:11 AM  

Weaver95: bluenote13: This isn't even the worst of it.  Messenger ran a series of stories last year about how court dates were moved on people without telling them and then they would be arrested and charged the court costs AND have to go to jail and pay for that.  There are a weeks worth of stories he wrote and each one will make you angrier and angrier.  And you know how bad it has to be for the GOP super majority in the MO state house, and Missouri SC, to do something about it?  They would gladly tell poor people to fark themselves if it won them a few more seats.

so basically what you're saying is that well, since you're going to be f*cked anyways, lose all your cash, AND never be able to get another legit job again under any circumstances....that basically murdering the shiat outta rich white republicans is now a totally valid survival strategy?


I say we start a GoFundMe to purchase each and every one of the people stuck in this ridiculous circle of hell an AR-15 and 1000 rounds of 5.56.
 
2019-03-24 12:41:03 AM  

baron von doodle: TWX: Pats_Cloth_Coat: TWX: fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.

There should never be court costs in my opinion either. Criminal court and the justice system generally should run at a loss outside of actual judgments against defendants, and any time those judgments are levied for criminal cases to be awarded to a government entity, that money should go into the general fund. It should never specifically go to the courts, the DA's office, or law enforcement as those entities have every incentive to self-deal and have the power in which to do it.

Same goes for anything seized through asset forfeiture processes. Money goes into general fund if that kind of thing happens at all.

It makes sense to.use seized cars as undercover cars. But asset forfeiture should happen only after a conviction and when the assets can be shown to be purchased with proceeds from a crime.

I don't agree. It encourages cars to be seized for police use. Cars have been seized for things like accusations of solicitation of prostitution, which is now the word of the police against the vehicle owner.

Property that isn't contraband shouldn't be permanently seized unless the defendant is convicted. Property that isn't contraband should be returned to an acquitted defendant unless chain of custody shows some other lawful owner. Property seized should be required to be publicly auctioned, and the money go into general fund.

Entities like police should always be funded through taxation and should operate at a loss. They're not there to make money, they're there to protect society. As such society should pay for them,

Police, fire departments, emergency services, jail, prison, and the court (with equal funding per case for prosecutors and public defenders) should all operate at a loss. Other than that, I totally agree.


Yeah . . . Its kind of amazing how much we have lost sight of the fact that social programs are things worth spending money on. It's not even a loss -we're all better off with a well-funded government. But man try to convince your average suburbanite nowadays . . .
 
2019-03-24 12:50:01 AM  

Norquist Vagprobe: Its kind of amazing how much we have lost sight of the fact that social programs are things worth spending money on. It's not even a loss -we're all better off with a well-funded government. But man try to convince your average suburbanite nowadays .


they KNOW all of this stuff.  they all know that spending money on social programs helps everyone...that's WHY the 'average' Republican voters continues to vote 'republican', they don't WANT to help other people..  the petty spiteful bullshiat is baked into the ideology.  everyone keeps assuming that the 'average' conservative doesn't know what they're doing...I think that's wrong, I think they DO know and understand the consequences of their voting patterns and the end goals of the GOP.  its just that they don't want to be seen as the evil goat f*ckers that they really are, and like to pretend they've still got souls.
 
2019-03-24 12:50:38 AM  

archeochick: baron von doodle: archeochick: Pats_Cloth_Coat: TWX: fusillade762: Charging people money for being in jail is farked up.

There should never be court costs in my opinion either. Criminal court and the justice system generally should run at a loss outside of actual judgments against defendants, and any time those judgments are levied for criminal cases to be awarded to a government entity, that money should go into the general fund. It should never specifically go to the courts, the DA's office, or law enforcement as those entities have every incentive to self-deal and have the power in which to do it.

Same goes for anything seized through asset forfeiture processes. Money goes into general fund if that kind of thing happens at all.

It makes sense to.use seized cars as undercover cars. But asset forfeiture should happen only after a conviction and when the assets can be shown to be purchased with proceeds from a crime.

But then we would have to assure the person a speedy trial.
And that would be unconstitutional.

Umm

Please tell me I don't need to /s that.
/please.


You didn't. I was trying for that reaction. My first trolling attempt ever (after using the internet since the Prodigy days). I think it worked.
 
2019-03-24 12:51:40 AM  

bluenote13: This isn't even the worst of it.  Messenger ran a series of stories last year about how court dates were moved on people without telling them and then they would be arrested and charged the court costs AND have to go to jail and pay for that.  There are a weeks worth of stories he wrote and each one will make you angrier and angrier.  And you know how bad it has to be for the GOP super majority in the MO state house, and Missouri SC, to do something about it?  They would gladly tell poor people to fark themselves if it won them a few more seats.


Fully aware. I live in a suburb of KCK.
 
2019-03-24 12:52:32 AM  

Weaver95: bluenote13: This isn't even the worst of it.  Messenger ran a series of stories last year about how court dates were moved on people without telling them and then they would be arrested and charged the court costs AND have to go to jail and pay for that.  There are a weeks worth of stories he wrote and each one will make you angrier and angrier.  And you know how bad it has to be for the GOP super majority in the MO state house, and Missouri SC, to do something about it?  They would gladly tell poor people to fark themselves if it won them a few more seats.

so basically what you're saying is that well, since you're going to be f*cked anyways, lose all your cash, AND never be able to get another legit job again under any circumstances....that basically murdering the shiat outta rich white republicans is now a totally valid survival strategy?


More or less. That seems to be the general direction of things.
 
2019-03-24 12:54:45 AM  

baron von doodle: Weaver95: bluenote13: This isn't even the worst of it.  Messenger ran a series of stories last year about how court dates were moved on people without telling them and then they would be arrested and charged the court costs AND have to go to jail and pay for that.  There are a weeks worth of stories he wrote and each one will make you angrier and angrier.  And you know how bad it has to be for the GOP super majority in the MO state house, and Missouri SC, to do something about it?  They would gladly tell poor people to fark themselves if it won them a few more seats.

so basically what you're saying is that well, since you're going to be f*cked anyways, lose all your cash, AND never be able to get another legit job again under any circumstances....that basically murdering the shiat outta rich white republicans is now a totally valid survival strategy?

More or less. That seems to be the general direction of things.


apparently our legal system is run by people who haven't worked out yet that when 'life in prison' is ultimately the same penalty for 'murder' and 'traffic stop', well...ain't much point in NOT going on a murder spree.  you're going to be just as f*cked either way.
 
2019-03-24 12:59:06 AM  

Weaver95: Norquist Vagprobe: Its kind of amazing how much we have lost sight of the fact that social programs are things worth spending money on. It's not even a loss -we're all better off with a well-funded government. But man try to convince your average suburbanite nowadays .

they KNOW all of this stuff.  they all know that spending money on social programs helps everyone...that's WHY the 'average' Republican voters continues to vote 'republican', they don't WANT to help other people..  the petty spiteful bullshiat is baked into the ideology.  everyone keeps assuming that the 'average' conservative doesn't know what they're doing...I think that's wrong, I think they DO know and understand the consequences of their voting patterns and the end goals of the GOP.  its just that they don't want to be seen as the evil goat f*ckers that they really are, and like to pretend they've still got souls.


I agree 100%.
 
2019-03-24 01:02:35 AM  

Weaver95: baron von doodle: Weaver95: bluenote13: This isn't even the worst of it.  Messenger ran a series of stories last year about how court dates were moved on people without telling them and then they would be arrested and charged the court costs AND have to go to jail and pay for that.  There are a weeks worth of stories he wrote and each one will make you angrier and angrier.  And you know how bad it has to be for the GOP super majority in the MO state house, and Missouri SC, to do something about it?  They would gladly tell poor people to fark themselves if it won them a few more seats.

so basically what you're saying is that well, since you're going to be f*cked anyways, lose all your cash, AND never be able to get another legit job again under any circumstances....that basically murdering the shiat outta rich white republicans is now a totally valid survival strategy?

More or less. That seems to be the general direction of things.

apparently our legal system is run by people who haven't worked out yet that when 'life in prison' is ultimately the same penalty for 'murder' and 'traffic stop', well...ain't much point in NOT going on a murder spree.  you're going to be just as f*cked either way.


My plan z retirement is to maintain enough cash on hand (done) to get to DC with enough left over to make an incredibly violent statement at the Capitol. Granted, I'm 38 this year so probably a couple decades from now and it is plan z.....
 
2019-03-24 01:04:35 AM  
The point, I think, is that the system is causing people to think this way. I'm forked anyway, let's go get on TV.
 
2019-03-24 01:10:51 AM  

Speaker2Animals: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: shinji3i: UNC_Samurai: Speaker2Animals: That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.

I almost guarantee there's some of this dirty shiat going on:

[cnn.com image 640x360]

Wait...28 years for taking $1million to fark over a small number of American citizens...but if you take several million and fark over a few hundred million citizens you get seven years. I don't understand our justice system sometimes, what is the exact cutoff of whiteness/money do you need to be able to avoid punishment for things?

[img.fark.net image 468x338] +[img.fark.net image 355x355]
A handy guide

WTF is that cash haul from?


It was seized during the raid on the drug lord El Chapo.

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2019-03-24 01:16:41 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Speaker2Animals: I dont want to be on this planet anymore: shinji3i: UNC_Samurai: Speaker2Animals: That judge is a complete and utter dick. And I'll bet he runs on a "tough on crime" platform.

I almost guarantee there's some of this dirty shiat going on:

[cnn.com image 640x360]

Wait...28 years for taking $1million to fark over a small number of American citizens...but if you take several million and fark over a few hundred million citizens you get seven years. I don't understand our justice system sometimes, what is the exact cutoff of whiteness/money do you need to be able to avoid punishment for things?

[img.fark.net image 468x338] +[img.fark.net image 355x355]
A handy guide

WTF is that cash haul from?

It was seized during the raid on the drug lord El Chapo.

[img.fark.net image 640x480]


And, humorously enough, all of it will be incinerated. Destroy the used bills, print more to replace, and the balance sheet remains the same.
 
2019-03-24 01:39:05 AM  
MO is a seriously farked up state. I could tell you stories... but I can't without repercussions. That's how farked up it is.

The cops and governor need to be locked up. Oops, I said too much.
 
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