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2019-03-20 12:00:42 PM  
The fourth annual Fark Fiction Anthology is open for submissions!  We're getting a pretty good response so far, so keep those entries coming!  If you've recently submitted and haven't yet received a response, err, there's been a bit of a backlog on the editor's side and we'll get those right out.  This year I'm trying to do a bit more editing before entries are sent to the judges so they can see them in their best light, and yup, that's totally my excuse.  I'm going with that.

Still finishing up a bit of work on my current novel, mostly going back and seeding plot points earlier to explain things later on, since I had no idea how everything hooked together when I started.  It's still awfully short, but I may go back and pad things a bit more once I get some reader feedback. We'll see how that goes. In some good news, though, I found out that ultraviolet light was discovered in 1801, way earlier than I need for my story to work, so that plot point came together nicely.  Yes, I know that makes no sense out of context. Just go with it.

We had a question last week about self-promotion: I'm not going to call them out, but a Farker asked for advice on how to best promote a project they have going for an artists' retreat (and I'm hoping they'll post again, so maybe they'll get some answers this week.)  I don't actually have much in the way of answers, so I'll open this up to a larger topic.

What's the best way to leverage social media effectively to promote your work?

Also, back by a complete lack of demand, is this week's writing prompt:

The dinner guests gathered around the detective, who lit his pipe with a knowing flourish.  Behind them, the dead body of the butler hung where it had been found, draped over the stuffed panther next to the fireplace.  Lightning flashed in the distance, as if on cue.

"Do you know who the murderer is?" Lady Daffington asked.  She wrung her hands, terrified.

"Of course," the detective said.  He puffed on his pipe for a moment.  "It's perfectly obvious, once you think about it.  In fact, the murderer is-"

"Yes?" demanded the General.
 
2019-03-20 12:39:42 PM  
I've never been in this thread before and I've never posted but I think I'm being called to write a book.

Something in me is just telling me that I should be writing essays or short stories or something about my journey with MS and all the changes it has wrought in my life for a good and bad.

Problem is I just don't know where to start. Do you guys come up with a title first? Do you just start writing and then try to hammer it into something intelligible? Do you lay out an outline first question mark chapter names? As you can see I'm completely stumped by this.

Any advice you guys could give would be greatly appreciated. I've been kind of floundering with what I should be doing with all this time that I have in my life and trying to get rid of some of the things I have bottled up inside. You guys have never really steered me wrong advice on things before so I feel safe asking here. Thanks in advance!
 
2019-03-20 12:48:31 PM  
"I though so, too, General," said the detective, "but it turns out that the chief maid, Beatrice Yes, is innocent."

The detective pointed to a bloody footprint near the body. Although the killer made a thorough effort to frame Mrs. Yes, the boot print was too large to have been worn by the waifish maid.
 
2019-03-20 01:10:33 PM  

corgimommy: Problem is I just don't know where to start. Do you guys come up with a title first? Do you just start writing and then try to hammer it into something intelligible? Do you lay out an outline first question mark chapter names? As you can see I'm completely stumped by this.


Write the first thing you want your reader to know.

You have a lot of stories to tell about your experience, pick one of the stories that you think will best get across, at a high level, what you're going to talk about in your book and what will make your reader want to know the whole story. Tell me why you want to tell your story and why you want me to read it.

That will become your introduction. Then think about how to tell your story chronologically. You have a few pages to make me want to read your story - do that first and then work on outlines, etc.

/I've never started a book knowing the title - the book usually "tells" me at some point.
 
2019-03-20 01:16:07 PM  
Corgimommy,

My advice is, title comes last.  You probably don't know what it's really about until you're about halfway done writing it.

There's a balance between planning ahead and just getting stuff written down.  For most people the hard part is the actual putting words to paper (er, electrons to NAND gates), so start by seeing if you can do that.

Start by writing down whatever you really want to get off your chest.  It might just be a couple of pages.  Then let it sit for a while and come back and edit it.  See if that reminds you of some other thing you want to say, and write that next.  See if you develop a rhythm, a schedule, a set of habits that let you keep writing after the initial rush.  Once you've got a few important scenes or chapters,  decide on a structure.  Do you have one story with a beginning, middle and end?  What order do you want to tell it in?  You should now have some idea how many pages that's going to take and how long it will take you to write it.

As with any major project you're doing for the first time, take your best guess how long it's going to take, then plan on tripling that because you're going to throw out and redo half of it.
 
2019-03-20 01:21:08 PM  
Silly impromptu piece warning.


The dinner guests gathered around the detective, who lit his pipe with a knowing flourish.  Behind them, the dead body of the butler hung where it had been found, draped over the stuffed panther next to the fireplace.  Lightning flashed in the distance, as if on cue.

"Do you know who the murderer is?" Lady Daffington asked.  She wrung her hands, terrified.
"Of course," the detective said.  He puffed on his pipe for a moment.  "It's perfectly obvious, once you think about it.  In fact, the murderer is-"
"Yes?" demanded the General.
The detective removed the pipe from his mouth and pointed the stem as he swiveled his torso around the room in dramatic fashion, holding each one's gaze for just a moment as he swept past them.  He did so love to build the drama at the moment of the big reveal.  "The murderer is ... the author of this story!" he finally said triumphantly, his face beaming.
The puzzled looks on the assembled faces was delightful.
"What do you mean," Lady Daffington asked.  "What story?"
The detective widened his smile.  "Why, this one, of course!  The one we are in right now."
The general drew down his brow and put on a scowl.  "What the bloody hell are you on about, detective?"
"It's quite simple, really."  The detective responded.  "We are, all of us, mere characters in a story right now.  You, me, even the butler."
"That's absurd," said both Lady Daffington and the general in unison.  The rest murmured their agreement. The general continued.  "Have you gone completely mad?"
"Not at all," the detective said smugly.  "Surely you must have felt that this entire affair was terribly clichéd, yes?  The dead butler, the lot of us assembled in the drawing room -- even the lightning flashing ominously outside.  All the hallmarks of a hack writer spitting out purple prose.  And it was he that killed the butler.  Wrote him into the story like that."  The detective took a long, satisfied draw on his pipe stem.
After several moments, the general shook his head.  "You're a looney.  But even if we were to give you the benefit of such enormous doubt, how would you even go about arresting the author of a story you yourself are a character in?"
The detective raised the stem of his pipe into the air like a finger.  "Ah, now that is a wonderful question.  And the answer is that we quite simply make it so.  Having realized that our predicament, we can take charge of it, can't we?  We are no longer beholden to the whims of a terrible mystery writer, and we can now write the story ourselves.  All we need to, then, is say that the author is guilty of murder, and then..."
The detective snapped his fingers.
 
2019-03-20 01:37:32 PM  

corgimommy: I've never been in this thread before and I've never posted but I think I'm being called to write a book.

Something in me is just telling me that I should be writing essays or short stories or something about my journey with MS and all the changes it has wrought in my life for a good and bad.

Problem is I just don't know where to start. Do you guys come up with a title first? Do you just start writing and then try to hammer it into something intelligible? Do you lay out an outline first question mark chapter names? As you can see I'm completely stumped by this.

Any advice you guys could give would be greatly appreciated. I've been kind of floundering with what I should be doing with all this time that I have in my life and trying to get rid of some of the things I have bottled up inside. You guys have never really steered me wrong advice on things before so I feel safe asking here. Thanks in advance!


First off: Welcome!

O.K. I don't know how helpful this is going to be and I'm sure others will be along shortly with better advice, but the answer to all your questions is: Yes. And/or No.

Everybody approaches writing their own way. What works for me may not--probably will not--work for you. (It barely works for me.) Some people can't write without an outline or they'll end up wandering all over the landscape. Others feel straight-jacketed if they commit to a path too far in advance. Most folks set goals: so many words per day or week. Others get blocked by deadlines. But if you feel that desperate pressure building inside you until you absolutely must write something . . . then that's what you must do.

Write.

Put something down on paper. Anything. Doesn't matter if it's good or bad. Everything is malleable until your publisher says, "No, we've hit our printing deadline." Everything can--and should--be edited. Later.

Just write.

Eventually, you will find what works for you. In the meantime, experiment. Write stream-of-consciousness and see if that works. Make a detailed outline that would make someone with OCD proud and see if that works.

Whatever works for you.

Right now, write. Now.

Also: Look around in your area for a writers' group. Libraries and schools often sponsor them and they can be a valuable source of advice, encouragement and inspiration.
 
2019-03-20 01:38:22 PM  
Anyone here planning on doing April's Camp NaNo? I'm thinking of doing it once I whittle my three ideas down to one to pursue. And wouldn't mind some fark encouragement in a shared cabin.

And I might finally get something in the 5th Fark fiction anthology at this rate (plus I need to order the 2nd and 3rd ones before the 4th gets published)
 
2019-03-20 01:40:40 PM  
The Detective glared at the general.

"Look, I had this whole monologue planned out, and now you're throwing me off track.  Where was I?  Oh, alright, never mind, I'll cut to the chase.  The butler did it."

The assembled guests stared in silent, polite confusion.  Eventually the maid, Beatrice, piped up.
"Forgive me, guvnor, but isn't the butler dead?"

"I'm glad you asked!" shouted the Detective, reluctantly taking his gaze from young Lady Daffington's bare shoulder as he stood to face his audience.  "You see, that is NOT the body of Eric the butler!"

"Oh balderdash!" cried the General.

"Balderdash?" replied the Detective.  "Balderdash?  Dame Edna, have you ever heard  the General use the term Balderdash before?"

"Why, no I haven't", admitted Dame Edna.  "Does it matter?"

"Yes it matters," said the Detective with a grin.  "You see, General Buckshot served in the 19th Scottish Horse.  During the Crimean War, that unit was decimated in a charge up a hill they called Balder Mound.  To this day, members of that unit will never, ever, refer to the Balder Dash in vain."

The General looked around nervously, but two policemen, supported by two footmen holding pokers, loomed near enough to make clear that he had no chance of escape.

"Ladies and gentlemen," the detective announced, once again in a quiet voice, letting the guests hang on each word, " this man standing in front of me... is NOT General Buckshot.  And this corpse behind me is NOT Eric the butler."

There was awkward silence.  Beatrice the maid shuffled forward again, but the Detective forestalled her.

"God you people are slow.  The corpse is the General.  Eric killed him over a gambling debt and decided to take his place long enough to escape on the train.   He didn't plan on being trapped here by the railway strike.  Now if you'll excuse me, I desperately need to spend some quality time in a small room, if you know what I mean.  Maybe by the time I get back, you lot will have worked it out for yourselves."
 
2019-03-20 01:43:30 PM  
Actually, pretty sure it's all recycled words, and I',m ok with that.
 
2019-03-20 01:49:34 PM  
corgimommy: I've never been in this thread before and I've never posted but I think I'm being called to write a book.

Congratulations! And welcome to the club.

Something in me is just telling me that I should be writing essays or short stories or something about my journey with MS and all the changes it has wrought in my life for a good and bad.

Problem is I just don't know where to start. Do you guys come up with a title first? Do you just start writing and then try to hammer it into something intelligible? Do you lay out an outline first question mark chapter names? As you can see I'm completely stumped by this.

Any advice you guys could give would be greatly appreciated. I've been kind of floundering with what I should be doing with all this time that I have in my life and trying to get rid of some of the things I have bottled up inside. You guys have never really steered me wrong advice on things before so I feel safe asking here. Thanks in advance!


You'll get as many different answers and approaches as there are writers. Everybody has their own process that works for them, but they all boil down to essentially one thing: Get your butt in the chair and your fingers to the keyboard/pen to paper (or whatever approach to writing you have to do to accommodate MS in your case). There's no substitute for actually writing. Procrastinating about writing, posting about writing, talking about writing, hell, even outlining writing are no substitute for actually writing (and I just called myself out like five times over with that sentence)

Get the words in your head to words on a page. They'll likely be terrible to start off with. Everybody's first draft is crap. So edit, polish, and rewrite that draft until you're happy with it. Then rewrite it again and solicit honest feedback from an editor or beta reader. Preferably somebody you trust, who isn't related to you, who will give you a non-bullshiat opinion.

But above all else, the one thing you must absolutely do is write.

Sorry for the harangue.
 
2019-03-20 01:53:08 PM  

toraque: The dinner guests gathered around the detective, who lit his pipe with a knowing flourish.  Behind them, the dead body of the butler hung where it had been found, draped over the stuffed panther next to the fireplace.  Lightning flashed in the distance, as if on cue.

"Do you know who the murderer is?" Lady Daffington asked.  She wrung her hands, terrified.

"Of course," the detective said.  He puffed on his pipe for a moment.  "It's perfectly obvious, once you think about it.  In fact, the murderer is-"

"Yes?" demanded the General.


And then the panther ate them all.  Not stuffed after all, it turned out.  Still had room for desert.
 
2019-03-20 01:59:00 PM  
Friggin heirotic egyptian was recyeled but you don't hear that spoken anymore. Sheesh!
 
2019-03-20 02:02:01 PM  
Also, in light of Toraque's question about social media, I hope my question will be sufficiently related to be forgiven, as it's to do with the use of Internet technology to support a writing career.

Anybody here actually making any money as a freelance editor, writer, or tech writer?  I'm planning for a lifestyle change in a few months and I wouldn't mind a bit of extra income.  I'll  need flexible part-time hours and the ability to work entirely remotely.   Are temp agencies any good for finding that sort of work?
 
2019-03-20 02:04:52 PM  

maxheck: Friggin heirotic egyptian was recyeled but you don't hear that spoken anymore. Sheesh!


OR Demotic!
 
2019-03-20 02:21:37 PM  

nartreb: Also, in light of Toraque's question about social media, I hope my question will be sufficiently related to be forgiven, as it's to do with the use of Internet technology to support a writing career.

Anybody here actually making any money as a freelance editor, writer, or tech writer?  I'm planning for a lifestyle change in a few months and I wouldn't mind a bit of extra income.  I'll  need flexible part-time hours and the ability to work entirely remotely.   Are temp agencies any good for finding that sort of work?


Yeah, I'd definitely have to work on some of the Chinese inflections.
 
2019-03-20 02:36:22 PM  

maxheck: nartreb: Also, in light of Toraque's question about social media, I hope my question will be sufficiently related to be forgiven, as it's to do with the use of Internet technology to support a writing career.

Anybody here actually making any money as a freelance editor, writer, or tech writer?  I'm planning for a lifestyle change in a few months and I wouldn't mind a bit of extra income.  I'll  need flexible part-time hours and the ability to work entirely remotely.   Are temp agencies any good for finding that sort of work?

Yeah, I'd definitely have to work on some of the Chinese inflections.


Worst part being, Cantonese is tonal, so it makes a difference how you say things.
 
2019-03-20 02:46:18 PM  

maxheck: maxheck: nartreb: Also, in light of Toraque's question about social media, I hope my question will be sufficiently related to be forgiven, as it's to do with the use of Internet technology to support a writing career.

Anybody here actually making any money as a freelance editor, writer, or tech writer?  I'm planning for a lifestyle change in a few months and I wouldn't mind a bit of extra income.  I'll  need flexible part-time hours and the ability to work entirely remotely.   Are temp agencies any good for finding that sort of work?

Yeah, I'd definitely have to work on some of the Chinese inflections.

Worst part being, Cantonese is tonal, so it makes a difference how you say things.


This *completely* screws me, since I have a voice like mud.
 
2019-03-20 02:53:33 PM  
I'm sure that there will be more responses to my question but so far everything you guys have said has been very helpful. I understand it's a personal process for everyone just like creating art or cooking.

But just like when I was in art school it always helps to get someone else's process so I at least have a sounding board and something to relate to. I've been complimented on my writing here in other threads so it gives me some confidence that I actually have a way to say what I want to.

The problem for me is I cannot type. That's due to my hands not working as well as I would like. So I must dictate absolutely everything. My speech is also getting kind of garbled as well so I better get cracking on this before I can't speak clearly anymore. I'm going to ask my husband to get me a copy of Dragon Naturally Speaking or some other dictation program the next time a gift-giving opportunity comes up.

Thank you for everything so far and I think I will just start to stream-of-consciousness some things and see what pops up.

I even have a friend in mine who has an English degree and works in a bookstore and collects many many different books she's also very no-nonsense and I know she will tell me exactly what she thinks and I will not be hurt in any way shape or form. That was probably the most valuable advice I could have gotten right away. Thanks guys and I will be checking in with this thread weekly.
 
2019-03-20 02:55:43 PM  

maxheck: Actually, pretty sure it's all recycled words, and I',m ok with that.


My submission to this year's FFA has a new word, so no.
 
2019-03-20 02:57:40 PM  

corgimommy: I can't speak clearly anymore. I'm going to ask my husband to get me a copy of Dragon Naturally Speaking or some other dictation program the next time a gift-giving opportunity comes up.


I highly recommend this. Though I haven't actually used it since around 2005, but the version then was pretty robust, and I was able to train it to understand my accent effectively. (Which is no mean feat, since it's both British mixed up, fast, and has slightly weird rounded vowels due to my hearing loss/difficulties. My own wife can't understand my accent as well as Dragon could)
 
2019-03-20 04:13:12 PM  

LucklessWonder: corgimommy: I can't speak clearly anymore. I'm going to ask my husband to get me a copy of Dragon Naturally Speaking or some other dictation program the next time a gift-giving opportunity comes up.

I highly recommend this. Though I haven't actually used it since around 2005, but the version then was pretty robust, and I was able to train it to understand my accent effectively. (Which is no mean feat, since it's both British mixed up, fast, and has slightly weird rounded vowels due to my hearing loss/difficulties. My own wife can't understand my accent as well as Dragon could)


Thank you so much for letting me know that. That actually gives me hope that I could get this project started and hopefully completed.
 
2019-03-20 04:28:21 PM  
Hmm, but the title contains the original word of "Wyrd," meaning it's not recycled, unless it really was an obscure real-life last name.
 
2019-03-20 04:58:03 PM  

Fireproof: Hmm, but the title contains the original word of "Wyrd," meaning it's not recycled, unless it really was an obscure real-life last name.


It's been used by Shakespeare before Pratchett
 
2019-03-20 05:15:10 PM  

maxheck: Actually, pretty sure it's all recycled words, and I',m ok with that.


Love the embroidery.
 
2019-03-20 08:27:22 PM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: maxheck: Actually, pretty sure it's all recycled words, and I',m ok with that.

My submission to this year's FFA has a new word, so no.


P'shaw... When you can work the words dottle, aiglet and other neologisms into a conversation, then we'll talk... :) Until then you're but a random piker.
 
2019-03-20 08:41:46 PM  
Best part of reading reading Blake is highlighting bits and going back to reread them.
 
2019-03-20 08:51:29 PM  

maxheck: P'shaw... When you can work the words dottle, aiglet and other neologisms into a conversation, then we'll talk... :) Until then you're but a random piker.


My new word is "croutonic".
 
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