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(Quartz)   When using an escalator or moving sidewalk I plant myself firmly on the left side to show people who want to walk past everybody that they're not more important than everyone else   (qz.com) divider line
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446 clicks; posted to Discussion » on 19 Mar 2019 at 11:13 PM (4 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2019-03-19 09:00:37 PM  
If someone is in my way in the left "lane" I will say "excuse me" as I'm hoofing it toward them and that usually works.  Otherwise I squeeze past them if I'm in a real hurry.

This article is confusing overall escalator efficiency with an individual's need to go faster than the slow crawl of an escalator or moving sidewalk.  Heck, if a moving sidewalk in an airport is too crowded, I will walk next to it at a much quicker pace!
 
2019-03-19 09:01:07 PM  
Oh, look. Some Quartz blogger discovered that writing a troll article to get clicks and site interaction might lead to future pitches being received more favorably. Hey, as a next piece maybe you could explore whether leaving shopping carts in the parking lot is actually helpful to other shoppers because they can just get one as soon as they park their car.
 
2019-03-19 09:04:59 PM  
Try that on the tube in London and you will be knocked down.

I assume NYC is similar
 
2019-03-19 09:07:01 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Oh, look. Some Quartz blogger discovered that writing a troll article to get clicks and site interaction might lead to future pitches being received more favorably. Hey, as a next piece maybe you could explore whether leaving shopping carts in the parking lot is actually helpful to other shoppers because they can just get one as soon as they park their car.


Or how leaving your uneaten food on the table is good for the next diner, who might want to start eating right away.  Wiping down and clearing tables by servers and bussers is actually harmful!
 
2019-03-19 09:08:44 PM  

Gubbo: Try that on the tube in London and you will be knocked down.

I assume NYC is similar


Chicago certainly is!  I was thinking that it really is a matter of safety to keep to the right, and to especially keep children smooshed up against the right hand guard rail (I can see the trail of slobber receding in the distance) so they don't get trampled.
 
2019-03-19 09:11:51 PM  
I had to hoof it to make a connection in a different terminal at SLC yesterday. Lots of moving sidewalks. If this assclown was in my way he would get an "excuse me" before I'm squeezing past.
 
2019-03-19 09:20:05 PM  
Yeah, that's not clickworthy. That's just an overgrown trolling tweet.
 
2019-03-19 09:23:13 PM  
Cool, I'll wait until we're near the top and then push you over the side.
 
2019-03-19 09:31:24 PM  

hodgemann: This article is confusing overall escalator efficiency with an individual's need to go faster than the slow crawl of an escalator or moving sidewalk.


I don't think it's confusing anything. He makes the case that overall more people can ride the escalator if everybody stands side by side on every other step or so. It slows down people who wish to go faster than the escalator, but more people can get through in a shorter time.

I guess it really only comes into play during rush hour as many times there aren't even enough people to even stand in a single file line on every other step.
 
2019-03-19 09:43:36 PM  
So you're a deliberate asshole. Thanks for the heads up.
 
2019-03-19 10:00:13 PM  
It depends on the goal; are you trying to maximize total throughput or make it possible for the "fast track" to make it through as quickly as possible? If the goal is to maximize total throughput, maxing out the capacity of the escalator is the way to go. The problem, as with airline boarding, is that one or two outliers screw up the whole thing. If everyone goes left and right to maximize the space, you're good. But if most people are already standing to the right to let the walkers through, then the outlier who is standing on the left is actually reducing total throughput by not letting the walkers past.

Over time an etiquette develops, even in the same city. In Hong Kong, if you're coming up somewhere like Central or Quarry Bay, people stand to the right to let those in a hurry walk up the left. In Sham Shui Po, people go with the left+right model to maximize throughput. I've always wondered if the length of the escalator makes a difference, since it seems that the longer escalators are the ones that tend toward the "stand right, walk left" model.
 
2019-03-19 10:16:51 PM  
I tend to walk at the same pace I was walking approaching a moving sidewalk. I just don't like the damn things, and there are plenty of airports you just can't avoid them. So, I just keep walking and debark with nary a shudder. Escalators, if it's crowded, then I'll stand, but if there's a lane free, yeah I'll walk it. Not so much because I'm in a hurry, but because I hate to just stand there. I just hate that sort of "convenience."
 
2019-03-19 10:17:11 PM  
I've given up on the etiquette of moving walkways, so now I just flip everyone off at the airport from the comfort of my Modobag.
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2019-03-19 10:17:46 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Oh, look. Some Quartz blogger discovered that writing a troll article to get clicks and site interaction might lead to future pitches being received more favorably. Hey, as a next piece maybe you could explore whether leaving shopping carts in the parking lot is actually helpful to other shoppers because they can just get one as soon as they park their car.


You seem exceptionally bitter these days.
 
2019-03-19 10:27:04 PM  
One study reported that 74.9% of pedestrians choose to stand on the escalator instead of walking

One whole study?  Because my study says your study is filled with fat lazy people.
 
2019-03-19 11:20:39 PM  

hodgemann: Gubbo: Try that on the tube in London and you will be knocked down.

I assume NYC is similar

Chicago certainly is!  I was thinking that it really is a matter of safety to keep to the right, and to especially keep children smooshed up against the right hand guard rail (I can see the trail of slobber receding in the distance) so they don't get trampled.


And DC, as well.
 
2019-03-19 11:23:46 PM  
Maximum total efficiency is irrelevant when one of the groups doesn't care about effeciency (or they'd be walking). So, plan and design for the group that DOES care about getting to the destination quickly. Seems pretty obvious to me.
 
2019-03-19 11:28:04 PM  

Gubbo: Try that on the tube in London and you will be knocked down.

I assume NYC is similar


They pass on the left in the U.K.?

I've never been there but discovered in Auckland that on escalators, sidewalks and roads that the right side is for passing. It's the same in New Mexico so I fit right in.
 
2019-03-19 11:29:32 PM  
Being a dick, just to be a dick, makes you a dick
 
2019-03-19 11:29:33 PM  
Try that on the Red Line on DC Metro.
 
2019-03-19 11:46:13 PM  
I had no idea Fark was filled with so many important people rushing to do very important things. It's obvious that pedestrian traffic designers should optimize things for the small number of important people who need every ounce of speed to get to their important things. That's why I favor ice instead of carpet in airports. Sure millions will be late but think of the hockey players and speedskaters who save that 30 seconds getting to Gate 4.
 
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2019-03-20 12:06:57 AM  

2wolves: Try that on the Red Line on DC Metro.


STAND ON THE RIGHT!!!

/Tourist season downtown is the worst.
 
2019-03-20 12:15:41 AM  
I just wonder why people have to walk 3 abreast when they see people coming the opposite way on the sidewalk, as though they are the farking cast of Clueless or the Magnificent Seven
 
2019-03-20 12:28:48 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: . It's obvious that pedestrian traffic designers should optimize things for the small number of important people who need every ounce of speed to get to their important things.


I'm so important I somehow have to use the same moving apparatuses as the dumb masses use. My private jet is in the shop.
 
2019-03-20 12:41:20 AM  
This paper presents a brief analysis of an escalator human factors dataset collected in a London Underground (subway) station in England.

stopped reading there
 
2019-03-20 01:24:51 AM  
Escalators
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2019-03-20 01:41:47 AM  

oa330_man: Gubbo: Try that on the tube in London and you will be knocked down.

I assume NYC is similar

They pass on the left in the U.K.?

I've never been there but discovered in Auckland that on escalators, sidewalks and roads that the right side is for passing. It's the same in New Mexico so I fit right in.


Yes.

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2019-03-20 01:41:59 AM  
He had better not be in front of me on a moving sidewalk because I put my arms out like wings and run as fast as I can while making dive-bombing noises.
 
2019-03-20 02:10:33 AM  
Some people refuse to follow the rules.

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2019-03-20 02:25:39 AM  
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2019-03-20 02:26:35 AM  
It's people like you what cause unrest.
/the white zone is for loading and unloading only.
 
2019-03-20 02:48:31 AM  
Can we discuss how drivers coasting in the left lane are actually speeding traffic up?
 
2019-03-20 02:51:46 AM  

Troy Aikman's Giant Thumbs: I had no idea Fark was filled with so many important people rushing to do very important things. It's obvious that pedestrian traffic designers should optimize things for the small number of important people who need every ounce of speed to get to their important things. That's why I favor ice instead of carpet in airports. Sure millions will be late but think of the hockey players and speedskaters who save that 30 seconds getting to Gate 4.


When you ride public transport every day, and you have a connection with a short window, then yes, it's important. I might have three minutes to get from one platform to the next and if I miss that window I have to wait 10 minutes for the next train (or longer), which then puts the 3rd leg of my journey off by 10 more minutes, resulting in me being at least 20 minutes behind schedule (likley more) and possibly late to work. All because some jackass who has 10 minutes to make his connection can't move the fark over on the escalator. So yes, they SHOULD optimize for the people who have pressing connections to make. If you're not walking on the escalator, you obviously don't care if you have to wait in line to get on it.

Tokyo don't play when it comes to trains. Thankfully, 99% of us play nicely, are considerate of others, and follow the rules.
 
2019-03-20 03:30:03 AM  
If I feel I'm about to let one loose, I let people go ahead and wait for a break in traffic.

But there was once when the break wasn't quite long enough.  I caused a pileup behind me on the landing at the top...
 
2019-03-20 04:39:48 AM  
I saw the name Lesley Strawderman as author and I assumed that the article was satire. Nice straw(durr)man, Lesley.

Turns out she is a PhD and a professor. I hope she is flying to an important conference and she misses her connecting flight because people are standing on the escalators and moving pathways.
 
2019-03-20 07:30:52 AM  
So the author is ignoring common courtesy because they're upset by the perception someone in a hurry is more important than them. Way to make your insecurities everyone else's problem.
 
2019-03-20 07:31:10 AM  

hubiestubert: I tend to walk at the same pace I was walking approaching a moving sidewalk. I just don't like the damn things, and there are plenty of airports you just can't avoid them. So, I just keep walking and debark with nary a shudder. Escalators, if it's crowded, then I'll stand, but if there's a lane free, yeah I'll walk it. Not so much because I'm in a hurry, but because I hate to just stand there. I just hate that sort of "convenience."


OMG, so much THIS!
I hate this shiat so much. No matter how short the escalator, it's like people farking forget how to walk as soon as they set foot on it.
Look at that shiat: it's still stairs, you moran. If you're incapable of climbing stairs, at least move aside so I don't have to look at your fat lazy ass the whole way up at 0,5 mph!

/rant
 
2019-03-20 07:53:38 AM  

The Irrelevant Gamer: So the author is ignoring common courtesy because they're upset by the perception someone in a hurry is more important than them. Way to make your insecurities everyone else's problem.


Except the math in TFA bears out her theory, at least under crowded conditions with an escalator of sufficient length.

I'm a "walk on the left" guy myself, but that doesn't help me if I can't even get to the base of the escalator due to crowding...then I want maximum system throughput, because that helps me as an individual.
 
2019-03-20 08:17:32 AM  

The Irrelevant Gamer: So the author is ignoring common courtesy because they're upset by the perception someone in a hurry is more important than them. Way to make your insecurities everyone else's problem.


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2019-03-20 08:59:04 AM  
The important thing is to stop at the top of the escalator to rummage through your bag.

For some reason, asian women like to do that here in the bay area.  they will glare disapprovingly after a solid body check.
 
2019-03-20 09:00:21 AM  

jaylectricity: hodgemann: This article is confusing overall escalator efficiency with an individual's need to go faster than the slow crawl of an escalator or moving sidewalk.

I don't think it's confusing anything. He makes the case that overall more people can ride the escalator if everybody stands side by side on every other step or so. It slows down people who wish to go faster than the escalator, but more people can get through in a shorter time.

I guess it really only comes into play during rush hour as many times there aren't even enough people to even stand in a single file line on every other step.


I just realized that this could be a "left lane is for passing only" discussion thread in disguise.  In NJ traffic there are times when the highways fill up to capacity to a point where leaving the left lane open isn't going to really work, and people just drive in all open lanes as fast as traffic conditions allow. Sometimes this means bumper to bumper stop and go traffic and sometimes it means everyone is averaging 25 MPH, with surges to 50 MPH here and there. And yet a lot of people seem to think a left lane should be left open.  It's a tough call.
 
2019-03-20 09:18:19 AM  

Gubbo: Try that on the tube in London and you will be knocked down.

I assume NYC is similar


But they'll get up again, ain't nothing going to keep them down.
 
2019-03-20 10:25:44 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: One whole study?  Because my study says your study is filled with fat lazy people.


It's also only faster, according to one study, to have everyone stand if it's a very high traffic situation. Unless people are having to wait in line to get on the escalator, making the whole escalator standing only could not increase the flow rate.
 
2019-03-20 10:58:46 AM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: It's people like you what cause unrest.
/the white zone is for loading and unloading only.


"Look.  I would like a License.  For my pet Bee."
 
2019-03-20 11:07:28 AM  

hodgemann: If someone is in my way in the left "lane" I will say "excuse me" as I'm hoofing it toward them and that usually works.  Otherwise I squeeze past them if I'm in a real hurry.

This article is confusing overall escalator efficiency with an individual's need to go faster than the slow crawl of an escalator or moving sidewalk.  Heck, if a moving sidewalk in an airport is too crowded, I will walk next to it at a much quicker pace!


Yeah, moving sidewalks are perfectly fine with the current setup. If I'm running behind, I can haul ass by walking quickly, coming closer to jogging speeds, but don't have to worry about getting tackled by TSA. On an escalator, I've never needed to move faster than the escalator travels.

I've also never used escalators as long and crowded as in the pic in TFA, and I never, ever want to he around THAT many people... But maybe it's different with those long ones.
 
2019-03-20 01:04:08 PM  

hodgemann: Pocket Ninja: Oh, look. Some Quartz blogger discovered that writing a troll article to get clicks and site interaction might lead to future pitches being received more favorably. Hey, as a next piece maybe you could explore whether leaving shopping carts in the parking lot is actually helpful to other shoppers because they can just get one as soon as they park their car.

Or how leaving your uneaten food on the table is good for the next diner, who might want to start eating right away.  Wiping down and clearing tables by servers and bussers is actually harmful!


Lol, true story. When I was living in the group home that I was at during my teens, the house parents were telling us "living broke" stories about when they were first married. They'd go to Pizza Hut(back when there were actual Pizza Hut restaurants) and eat the leftover pizza on the tables. One time, they discovered that it wasn't "left over". The dude had just gone to get a soda refill or make a run to salad bar, or something. They were absolutely mortified, but it turned out the guy was really cool and bought them dinner instead of freaking out about it.
 
2019-03-20 01:07:44 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: One study reported that 74.9% of pedestrians choose to stand on the escalator instead of walking

One whole study?  Because my study says your study is filled with fat lazy people.


I choose to stand, and I'm faaaaaar from "fat" or "lazy". So that's how I'd answer it as well. The difference between the blogger and myself is that I'm not a resentful prick who has an issue with the people who do want to go more quickly.
 
2019-03-20 01:14:57 PM  
This article is both wrong and stupid because it presents a false dichotomy between escalator at full capacity moving at escalator speed + 0. (S_e) and escalator at half capacity plus a small number of walkers moving at escalator plus walking speed (S_e+S_w). If there is a backup them the lazy farks still need to stand to the side even more so the escalator can be at full capacity with one half of the escalator doing S_e+S_w. It's not a difficult problem and the fact that the author can't figure it out makes me conclude they must be a complete imbecile.
 
2019-03-20 02:21:56 PM  
If they want to optimize throughput, why not make the escalator wider?
 
2019-03-20 04:34:59 PM  
I bow to the social pressure and walk up the escalator if the rest of the crowd does. But I always wonder: How come none of you go-getters can find the stairwell ten feet away?
 
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