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(CBS 58 Milwaukee)   A case of Monster energy drinks for a buck & change? Just don't use your Fresh Perks savings card at the checkout. Double Fark: the perp tried this at two stores   (cbs58.com) divider line
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2019-03-19 06:38:51 PM  
It's almost as if the kind of person that would drink (let alone steal) Monster energy drinks isn't the sharpest guy in town.
 
2019-03-19 06:39:03 PM  
Now it's a Fresh Perp card, idiot.
 
2019-03-19 06:42:51 PM  
Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.  There's a Canadian Tire near me that installed a set of them and they were active for roughly two weeks before they were roped off due to what I can imagine was a crazy amount of casual theft.  I mean of all the stores this one was a terrible idea, they already had a full time security guard due to what I can assume was an ongoing problem with thieves from the less well off neighborhoods near by.

At least this particular thief had the brilliant idea to identify himself to the system in the process with his points card.
 
2019-03-19 06:44:35 PM  
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2019-03-19 06:44:57 PM  
FTFA: Officers identified the suspect as Fabian based on an earlier cased from 2016.

What a "Fabian based" suspect might look like.
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2019-03-19 06:47:41 PM  
I just skimmed all his entries on CCAP, and ... my god, whatta pendejo. Lots of retail theft, and driving without a license and driving without insurance. Once he was cited for altering his license plate registration sticker.
 
2019-03-19 06:48:08 PM  
Pretty badly designed self checkout, if he got away with this twice.
 
2019-03-19 06:51:38 PM  
Heh reminds of a Forensics Files episode some lady killed her husband/boyfriend or something and had gone to a walmart or somewhere to buy all the murder and disposal supplies.  She scanned her discount card to save like 50 cents or something lol.  Never underestimate the stupidity of humans.
 
2019-03-19 07:13:36 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.


I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.
 
2019-03-19 07:14:47 PM  

Nidiot: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.

I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.


This.

And - "perp"? We still say that?
 
2019-03-19 07:15:07 PM  
What about a D&B Power Card?

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2019-03-19 07:17:31 PM  
Couldn't find a great picture on GIS, but there are plenty of self checkout machines that now have giant screens where you see yourself being filmed on them.  And they're even in some of the aisles where a lot of scamming goes on, like vacuum cleaners and laundry detergent.

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2019-03-19 07:17:45 PM  

Feel_the_velvet: What about a D&B Power Card?

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I'm going to try my D&B Power Card at the local Friday's. Wish me luck.
 
2019-03-19 07:19:33 PM  
I liked the self checkout lanes when they were too new for most folks' delicate sensibilities. Never a line back in the day. Now I'm behind some very slow people.
 
2019-03-19 07:19:48 PM  
I've seen people do this. Tape a small cheap flat item over the bar code of an expensive item, and it's less obvious on camera than keying in the number off your bananas and then weighing your stuff, since you actually go through the right motions for the item it looks like you're scanning.

When they look at the footage, though, they can see the items as they ring up. It's trivially easy to catch people at this, but by the time you have enough people to do that it'd be cheaper to hire some goddamn cashiers.
 
2019-03-19 07:25:45 PM  
Self checkout.
Pros: Almost always significantly quicker than waiting for 2 out of the 20 registers that actually have people.
Cons: You are now an unpaid employee. Congrats.
It would have been quicker, but church just let out, and all the units are taken by old women who have no farking clue how to work the machines, much less actually pay for stuff.
This bullshiat-
*scan*
Unexpected item in bagging area.
"What the shiat? It's the same thing I just scanned"
Unexpected item in bagging area
"I just farking scanned this too!"
Please remove extra items from bagging area
"There are no goddamn extra items you mechanical biatch!"
Please return item to bagging area
"You JUST farking said you didn't want it there! OMFG!"
Please put item in bagging area
"It's a super size package of toilet paper! What goddamn bag is it supposed to fit in??"
Please put item in bagging area
"It's a farking 24 pack of coke! I want it in the cart so I don't have to move it 500 times!"
You done goof'd too many times. Please wait for attendant
"I got everything bagged! I just want to pay and go the hell home!"
I said wait, and you're gonna wait.
"Well where the hell is the attendant??"
*10 minutes later*
-Rage quit store and leave all your shiat there. Go home and tell the wife the store was closed and she can go out and get her own goddamn Oreo ice cream from somewhere else-
 
2019-03-19 07:26:24 PM  

Nidiot: I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards,


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Keep some registers staffed for the blue-hairs that want to stock non-perishables for the next 8 months, then pay with 642 coupons and pocket change. Then have self checkouts for the people with sh*t to do that don't want to get stuck behind aforementioned geriatric thrifty prepper.
 
2019-03-19 07:27:09 PM  
Hmmm..
4 cases worth $18, that's $64 x 2 = $128
Hope it's a small town, otherwise he has less crime on his record than a homeless person.
 
2019-03-19 07:33:25 PM  

Nidiot: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.

I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.


I make a conscious point to never, ever use self-checkouts.

I do it to help keep the employees having jobs.  The more people who use them, the less need they have for clerks, so eventually folks will be put out of a job by them.  This will decrease the total number of jobs available in the economy and harm society and the economy in the process.

So, in using self-check I'm doing work myself (and not being paid for it) and depriving someone else of work (and any savings from putting them out of a job would NOT be passed on to the consumer).

Ultimately, using a checkout clerk instead of self-check is the logical choice for helping others and preserving society.
 
2019-03-19 07:36:42 PM  

LoneVVolf: Nidiot: I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards,

WhyNotBoth.jpg

Keep some registers staffed for the blue-hairs that want to stock non-perishables for the next 8 months, then pay with 642 coupons and pocket change. Then have self checkouts for the people with sh*t to do that don't want to get stuck behind aforementioned geriatric thrifty prepper.


The supermarket I use has both. I watched it over time, it's been a case of this:  

it's interesting ...: I liked the self checkout lanes when they were too new for most folks' delicate sensibilities. Never a line back in the day. Now I'm behind some very slow people.


Congratulations on the new queues. Just like the old ones only they are in front of checkouts with no people.

I always use the staffed checkout, I like that someone has a job, I don't want to be the new unpaid staff.

Anyway, I have to pull the shiat off the shelf, stick in in the trolley, take it out of the trolley again, then put the filled bags of groceries back into the trolley, then into the car, then out of the car and unpack all the items when I get home. I farkin love having someone to at least scan the crap and put it into bags for me. I've handled it all enough times in one day as it is.
 
2019-03-19 07:39:55 PM  

MythDragon: Self checkout.
Pros: Almost always significantly quicker than waiting for 2 out of the 20 registers that actually have people.
Cons: You are now an unpaid employee. Congrats.
It would have been quicker, but church just let out, and all the units are taken by old women who have no farking clue how to work the machines, much less actually pay for stuff.
This bullshiat-
*scan*
Unexpected item in bagging area.
"What the shiat? It's the same thing I just scanned"
Unexpected item in bagging area
"I just farking scanned this too!"
Please remove extra items from bagging area
"There are no goddamn extra items you mechanical biatch!"
Please return item to bagging area
"You JUST farking said you didn't want it there! OMFG!"
Please put item in bagging area
"It's a super size package of toilet paper! What goddamn bag is it supposed to fit in??"
Please put item in bagging area
"It's a farking 24 pack of coke! I want it in the cart so I don't have to move it 500 times!"
You done goof'd too many times. Please wait for attendant
"I got everything bagged! I just want to pay and go the hell home!"
I said wait, and you're gonna wait.
"Well where the hell is the attendant??"
*10 minutes later*
-Rage quit store and leave all your shiat there. Go home and tell the wife the store was closed and she can go out and get her own goddamn Oreo ice cream from somewhere else-


I usually threaten the things with "I'm gonna turn you into an automatic urinal flusher at Walmart."

That usually fixes 'em.
 
2019-03-19 07:43:35 PM  

Bowen: It's almost as if the kind of person that would drink (let alone steal) Monster energy drinks isn't the sharpest guy in town.


It's Racine. He probably needed the Monster to come down from the meth.
 
2019-03-19 07:45:47 PM  

Silverstaff: Nidiot: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.

I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.

I make a conscious point to never, ever use self-checkouts.

I do it to help keep the employees having jobs.  The more people who use them, the less need they have for clerks, so eventually folks will be put out of a job by them.  This will decrease the total number of jobs available in the economy and harm society and the economy in the process.

So, in using self-check I'm doing work myself (and not being paid for it) and depriving someone else of work (and any savings from putting them out of a job would NOT be passed on to the consumer).

Ultimately, using a checkout clerk instead of self-check is the logical choice for helping others and preserving society.


Not to mention. I don't like paying the store to bag my own damn groceries.
At least when I bagged groceries during my high school years, the store was paying me $4.25 an hour.
 
2019-03-19 07:46:57 PM  
Pffft, amatuer. Come back when you've learned how to get a case of beer for a 6-pack price
 
2019-03-19 07:47:30 PM  

Silverstaff: Nidiot: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.

I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.

I make a conscious point to never, ever use self-checkouts.

I do it to help keep the employees having jobs.  The more people who use them, the less need they have for clerks, so eventually folks will be put out of a job by them.  This will decrease the total number of jobs available in the economy and harm society and the economy in the process.

So, in using self-check I'm doing work myself (and not being paid for it) and depriving someone else of work (and any savings from putting them out of a job would NOT be passed on to the consumer).

Ultimately, using a checkout clerk instead of self-check is the logical choice for helping others and preserving society.


This is so true. The self checkout does not benefit you, the consumer. They aren't faster as the lines are just as long in front of them as they are in front of a staffed checkout, and the money the store saves by not paying staff does not turn into lower priced products, it just means more on the bottom line for some mega-corporation who possibly wont even pay tax on it after they shuffle their paperwork around. So essentially if you support self-checkouts, you just help the one percenters get more and while making sure the rest of society gets even less.
 
2019-03-19 08:03:31 PM  
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/Also Kool-Aid
 
2019-03-19 08:06:13 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.  There's a Canadian Tire near me that installed a set of them and they were active for roughly two weeks before they were roped off due to what I can imagine was a crazy amount of casual theft.  I mean of all the stores this one was a terrible idea, they already had a full time security guard due to what I can assume was an ongoing problem with thieves from the less well off neighborhoods near by.

At least this particular thief had the brilliant idea to identify himself to the system in the process with his points card.


Oh man, do I have a CSB for this.
Years ago I worked for 'Mart as an assistant manager. While working the closing shift with another ASM we both got called up front by one of the customer service managers because the girl monitoring the self checkout said the lady checking out wasn't scanning all her stuff. So, we get up and I hang back as he oversaw the front and wanted to handle it. They stop the girl at the exit and say they think something didn't scan right on her checkout and just wanted to double check she didn't get overcharged. So, sure enough roughly 2/3's of her cart wasn't on her bill. So, we didn't accuse her of anything, we just asked her if she still wanted them, if so we'd ring them up for her. She says no, we keep our stuff, she goes on her way. I go up and talk to the girl working the checkout and the other manager walks the stuff back to the service desk to be put away. About 10 seconds after he slides out of view into the cubby I hear loud breathing and footsteps behind me, then "EXCUSE ME, DID YOU ACCUSE MY DAUGHTER OF STEALING?" My response was "maamm, no one accused your daughter of stealing. Second, the manager she interacted with is up at the service desk." So she starts huffing off and I radio him he was in for a fun time. About a min goes by and (from a distance) I hear loudly "where you going COWARD!?" He comes walking past me with a grin on his face headed for the front door with her 3 paces behind him. He had already called the cops. So, I kinda trail behind and 3 mins later a Sheriff's deputy pulls up. The woman starts getting lippy with him before he is even out of the car. He cuts her off midsentence with "shut the hell up already or go to jail, your choice.(paraphasing here). So, we explain what happened, with her jawing the whole time. He watched video of it, then asks if we want to press charges. We said no. It was about that time mom had to run her mouth some more and the cop asked for her info. Mistake, as she had an outstanding warrant. Another deputy pulls up, we thought he called backup. Nope, Grandma had used the distraction at this entrance to try and walk out with $120 in shoes at the other. So, 2/3 of them went to jail over trying to screw over the self checkout.
 
2019-03-19 08:11:07 PM  
I first saw this self-checkout thing visiting a friend in a far north suburb of Chicago. I thought it would never work in California because of people finding ways to game the system. Eventually I saw them at Safeway, but it wasn't worth the trouble of figuring it out. And how did I end up at Safeway anyway? Trader Joe's is so much closer, and doesn't have all that enormity and redundancy that Safeway has.
 
2019-03-19 08:11:17 PM  

jayphat: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.  There's a Canadian Tire near me that installed a set of them and they were active for roughly two weeks before they were roped off due to what I can imagine was a crazy amount of casual theft.  I mean of all the stores this one was a terrible idea, they already had a full time security guard due to what I can assume was an ongoing problem with thieves from the less well off neighborhoods near by.

At least this particular thief had the brilliant idea to identify himself to the system in the process with his points card.

Oh man, do I have a CSB for this.
Years ago I worked for 'Mart as an assistant manager. While working the closing shift with another ASM we both got called up front by one of the customer service managers because the girl monitoring the self checkout said the lady checking out wasn't scanning all her stuff. So, we get up and I hang back as he oversaw the front and wanted to handle it. They stop the girl at the exit and say they think something didn't scan right on her checkout and just wanted to double check she didn't get overcharged. So, sure enough roughly 2/3's of her cart wasn't on her bill. So, we didn't accuse her of anything, we just asked her if she still wanted them, if so we'd ring them up for her. She says no, we keep our stuff, she goes on her way. I go up and talk to the girl working the checkout and the other manager walks the stuff back to the service desk to be put away. About 10 seconds after he slides out of view into the cubby I hear loud breathing and footsteps behind me, then "EXCUSE ME, DID YOU ACCUSE MY DAUGHTER OF STEALING?" My response was "maamm, no one accused your daughter of stealing. Second, the manager she interacted with is up at the service desk." So she starts huffing off and I radio him he was in for a fun time. About a min goes by and (from a distance) I hear loudly "where you going COWARD!?" He comes walking past me ...


Great CSB, can you help with one detail though:  Would you say granny was uh, spry?  Like the whole clan had less then 20 years between each generation?  I'm also picturing leopard print on the middle mom for some reason, probably the leggings.
 
2019-03-19 08:17:30 PM  

BumpInTheNight: jayphat: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.  There's a Canadian Tire near me that installed a set of them and they were active for roughly two weeks before they were roped off due to what I can imagine was a crazy amount of casual theft.  I mean of all the stores this one was a terrible idea, they already had a full time security guard due to what I can assume was an ongoing problem with thieves from the less well off neighborhoods near by.

At least this particular thief had the brilliant idea to identify himself to the system in the process with his points card.

Oh man, do I have a CSB for this.
Years ago I worked for 'Mart as an assistant manager. While working the closing shift with another ASM we both got called up front by one of the customer service managers because the girl monitoring the self checkout said the lady checking out wasn't scanning all her stuff. So, we get up and I hang back as he oversaw the front and wanted to handle it. They stop the girl at the exit and say they think something didn't scan right on her checkout and just wanted to double check she didn't get overcharged. So, sure enough roughly 2/3's of her cart wasn't on her bill. So, we didn't accuse her of anything, we just asked her if she still wanted them, if so we'd ring them up for her. She says no, we keep our stuff, she goes on her way. I go up and talk to the girl working the checkout and the other manager walks the stuff back to the service desk to be put away. About 10 seconds after he slides out of view into the cubby I hear loud breathing and footsteps behind me, then "EXCUSE ME, DID YOU ACCUSE MY DAUGHTER OF STEALING?" My response was "maamm, no one accused your daughter of stealing. Second, the manager she interacted with is up at the service desk." So she starts huffing off and I radio him he was in for a fun time. About a min goes by and (from a distance) I hear loudly "where you going COWARD!?" He comes walking past me ...

Great CSB, can you help with one detail though:  Would you say granny was uh, spry?  Like the whole clan had less then 20 years between each generation?  I'm also picturing leopard print on the middle mom for some reason, probably the leggings.


Mom was wearing more of a one piece. Grandma seemed like she was ancient by comparison to the other two. I would have easily said under 20 between mom and daughter though.
 
2019-03-19 08:20:55 PM  
jayphat


Cool story, bro

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2019-03-19 08:25:51 PM  

Nidiot: Silverstaff: Nidiot: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.

I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.

I make a conscious point to never, ever use self-checkouts.

I do it to help keep the employees having jobs.  The more people who use them, the less need they have for clerks, so eventually folks will be put out of a job by them.  This will decrease the total number of jobs available in the economy and harm society and the economy in the process.

So, in using self-check I'm doing work myself (and not being paid for it) and depriving someone else of work (and any savings from putting them out of a job would NOT be passed on to the consumer).

Ultimately, using a checkout clerk instead of self-check is the logical choice for helping others and preserving society.

This is so true. The self checkout does not benefit you, the consumer. They aren't faster as the lines are just as long in front of them as they are in front of a staffed checkout, and the money the store saves by not paying staff does not turn into lower priced products, it just means more on the bottom line for some mega-corporation who possibly wont even pay tax on it after they shuffle their paperwork around. So essentially if you support self-checkouts, you just help the one percenters get more and while making sure the rest of society gets even less.


Are those two posts satire? Like trying to support buggy whip manufacturing?

The ignorance of economics and the messy process of progress is obvious, but the fun part is neither obviously has a clue what it's like to be the sort of person they're trying to "defend", they've never shopped at a discount grocer where you always have to bag your own stuff.
 
2019-03-19 08:43:35 PM  
That ranks up there with writing the ransom note on the back of your electric bill.
 
2019-03-19 08:43:39 PM  
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I believe this will be free.
 
2019-03-19 08:44:43 PM  

MolsonCanadian: Nidiot: Silverstaff: Nidiot: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.

I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.

I make a conscious point to never, ever use self-checkouts.

I do it to help keep the employees having jobs.  The more people who use them, the less need they have for clerks, so eventually folks will be put out of a job by them.  This will decrease the total number of jobs available in the economy and harm society and the economy in the process.

So, in using self-check I'm doing work myself (and not being paid for it) and depriving someone else of work (and any savings from putting them out of a job would NOT be passed on to the consumer).

Ultimately, using a checkout clerk instead of self-check is the logical choice for helping others and preserving society.

This is so true. The self checkout does not benefit you, the consumer. They aren't faster as the lines are just as long in front of them as they are in front of a staffed checkout, and the money the store saves by not paying staff does not turn into lower priced products, it just means more on the bottom line for some mega-corporation who possibly wont even pay tax on it after they shuffle their paperwork around. So essentially if you support self-checkouts, you just help the one percenters get more and while making sure the rest of society gets even less.

Are those two posts satire? Like trying to support buggy whip manufacturing?

The ignorance of economics and the messy process of progress is obvious, but the fun part is neither obviously has a clue what it's like to be the sort of person they're trying to "defend", they've never shopped at a discount grocer where you always have to bag your own stuff.


100% with you on the stupidity of people worrying about automation coming for our shiatty part time service industry jobs.

To add to your point, having worked for a major chain for years, self checkouts didn't cause any cut in hours. It just meant the lines were a little shorter and the poor kids that were supposed to be stocking the lunch meat and canned goods actually got to do that occasionally instead of be on register all the time.

People would be shocked if they saw how small of a percentage store level payroll is in the total price of items.
 
2019-03-19 08:46:55 PM  
The really sad thing?

You can buy mix-in packets, 10 for $1.50, that have the same better living thru chemistry.

Look in the kool-aid aisle.
 
2019-03-19 09:19:01 PM  
I'm not into either drink......wine or liquor I can see him stealin'.
 
2019-03-19 09:20:40 PM  
Gotta save those points.
 
2019-03-19 09:32:10 PM  

Coloman: Hmmm..
4 cases worth $18, that's $64 x 2 = $128
Hope it's a small town, otherwise he has less crime on his record than a homeless person.


Were you told there would be no math?
 
2019-03-19 09:38:17 PM  

MythDragon: Self checkout.
Pros: Almost always significantly quicker than waiting for 2 out of the 20 registers that actually have people.
Cons: You are now an unpaid employee. Congrats.
It would have been quicker, but church just let out, and all the units are taken by old women who have no farking clue how to work the machines, much less actually pay for stuff.
This bullshiat-
*scan*
Unexpected item in bagging area.
"What the shiat? It's the same thing I just scanned"
Unexpected item in bagging area
"I just farking scanned this too!"
Please remove extra items from bagging area
"There are no goddamn extra items you mechanical biatch!"
Please return item to bagging area
"You JUST farking said you didn't want it there! OMFG!"
Please put item in bagging area
"It's a super size package of toilet paper! What goddamn bag is it supposed to fit in??"
Please put item in bagging area
"It's a farking 24 pack of coke! I want it in the cart so I don't have to move it 500 times!"
You done goof'd too many times. Please wait for attendant
"I got everything bagged! I just want to pay and go the hell home!"
I said wait, and you're gonna wait.
"Well where the hell is the attendant??"
*10 minutes later*
-Rage quit store and leave all your shiat there. Go home and tell the wife the store was closed and she can go out and get her own goddamn Oreo ice cream from somewhere else-


" Thank you for shopping at MYjers."
 
2019-03-19 10:00:40 PM  

Quadlok: MolsonCanadian: Nidiot: Silverstaff: Nidiot: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.

I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.

I make a conscious point to never, ever use self-checkouts.

I do it to help keep the employees having jobs.  The more people who use them, the less need they have for clerks, so eventually folks will be put out of a job by them.  This will decrease the total number of jobs available in the economy and harm society and the economy in the process.

So, in using self-check I'm doing work myself (and not being paid for it) and depriving someone else of work (and any savings from putting them out of a job would NOT be passed on to the consumer).

Ultimately, using a checkout clerk instead of self-check is the logical choice for helping others and preserving society.

This is so true. The self checkout does not benefit you, the consumer. They aren't faster as the lines are just as long in front of them as they are in front of a staffed checkout, and the money the store saves by not paying staff does not turn into lower priced products, it just means more on the bottom line for some mega-corporation who possibly wont even pay tax on it after they shuffle their paperwork around. So essentially if you support self-checkouts, you just help the one percenters get more and while making sure the rest of society gets even less.

Are those two posts satire? Like trying to support buggy whip manufacturing?

The ignorance of economics and the messy process of progress is obvious, but the fun part is neither obviously has a clue what it's like to be the sort of person they're trying to "defend", they've never shopped at a discount grocer where you always have to bag your own stuff.

100%  with you on the stupidity of people worrying about automation coming for our shiatty part time service industry jobs.

To add to your point, having worked for a major chain for years, self checkouts didn't cause any cut in hours. It just meant the lines were a little shorter and the poor kids that were supposed to be stocking the lunch meat and canned goods actually got to do that occasionally instead of be on register all the time.

People would be shocked if they saw how small of a percentage store level payroll is in the total price of items.


Except oddly enough some people might actually like having what you describe as "shiatty" part-time service industry jobs. Not to mention some people actually like having staff who offer the service of handling at least one small part of the whole shopping nightmare.

Whether payroll is a small percentage or not, stores do not spend money on new infrastructure if it doesn't save them money. The ultimate intention of needing no people at checkouts is not to let them work at stocking shelves instead (although that is the lie they tell to anyone who complains) it's to eventually get them off the payroll. The whole point is to only have the bare minimum of staff in all areas at all times.

Do you think stores go to that trouble because they want to be nice to the customer? How is it making your shopping experience better? You still have to wait in a line, with the added benefit of having to do more of the work yourself. It's not my idea of improving the shopping experience.
 
2019-03-19 10:36:53 PM  
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2019-03-19 10:39:37 PM  
The self checkout allows me to avoid human interaction and small talk.  Also in my city plastic bags are banned, so it's doubly annoying trying to watch cashiers bag things with my limited number of reusable bags in a manner not to my liking.
 
2019-03-19 10:48:58 PM  

Nidiot: Quadlok: MolsonCanadian: Nidiot: Silverstaff: Nidiot: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.

I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.

I make a conscious point to never, ever use self-checkouts.

I do it to help keep the employees having jobs.  The more people who use them, the less need they have for clerks, so eventually folks will be put out of a job by them.  This will decrease the total number of jobs available in the economy and harm society and the economy in the process.

So, in using self-check I'm doing work myself (and not being paid for it) and depriving someone else of work (and any savings from putting them out of a job would NOT be passed on to the consumer).

Ultimately, using a checkout clerk instead of self-check is the logical choice for helping others and preserving society.

This is so true. The self checkout does not benefit you, the consumer. They aren't faster as the lines are just as long in front of them as they are in front of a staffed checkout, and the money the store saves by not paying staff does not turn into lower priced products, it just means more on the bottom line for some mega-corporation who possibly wont even pay tax on it after they shuffle their paperwork around. So essentially if you support self-checkouts, you just help the one percenters get more and while making sure the rest of society gets even less.

Are those two posts satire? Like trying to support buggy whip manufacturing?

The ignorance of economics and the messy process of progress is obvious, but the fun part is neither obviously has a clue what it's like to be the sort of person they're trying to "defend", they've never shopped at a discount grocer where you always have to bag your own stuff.

100%  with you on the stupidity of people worrying about automation coming for our shiatty part time service industry jobs.

To add to your point, having worked for a major chain for years, self checkouts didn't cause any cut in hours. It just meant the lines were a little shorter and the poor kids that were supposed to be stocking the lunch meat and canned goods actually got to do that occasionally instead of be on register all the time.

People would be shocked if they saw how small of a percentage store level payroll is in the total price of items.

Except oddly enough some people might actually like having what you describe as "shiatty" part-time service industry jobs. Not to mention some people actually like having staff who offer the service of handling at least one small part of the whole shopping nightmare.

Whether payroll is a small percentage or not, stores do not spend money on new infrastructure if it doesn't save them money. The ultimate intention of needing no people at checkouts is not to let them work at stocking shelves instead (although that is the lie they tell to anyone who complains) it's to eventually get them off the payroll. The whole point is to only have the bare minimum of staff in all areas at all times.

Do you think stores go to that trouble because they want to be nice to the customer? How is it making your shopping experience better? You still have to wait in a line, with the added benefit of having to do more of the work yourself. It's not my idea of improving the shopping experience.


The problem with your theory is that before there was self checkout, grocery stores still didn't hire enough people, and then those with small orders became impatient and angry at having to wait. Not having self checkout doesn't make the store hire more people. The stores around here have the help wanted sign up permanently. They're pretty good places to work. But there are only so many qualified workers. Low skill workers have other options and those who can't get hired are pretty much unemployable anyway.
 
2019-03-19 10:56:41 PM  

Nidiot: Quadlok: MolsonCanadian: Nidiot: Silverstaff: Nidiot: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.

I hate self-serve checkouts so I find myself having no sympathy for the stores if those checkouts get used in an infinite number of ways to rip the store off. Pay some staff you stingy bastards, it may not be the best job in the world, but it's still a job.

I make a conscious point to never, ever use self-checkouts.

I do it to help keep the employees having jobs.  The more people who use them, the less need they have for clerks, so eventually folks will be put out of a job by them.  This will decrease the total number of jobs available in the economy and harm society and the economy in the process.

So, in using self-check I'm doing work myself (and not being paid for it) and depriving someone else of work (and any savings from putting them out of a job would NOT be passed on to the consumer).

Ultimately, using a checkout clerk instead of self-check is the logical choice for helping others and preserving society.

This is so true. The self checkout does not benefit you, the consumer. They aren't faster as the lines are just as long in front of them as they are in front of a staffed checkout, and the money the store saves by not paying staff does not turn into lower priced products, it just means more on the bottom line for some mega-corporation who possibly wont even pay tax on it after they shuffle their paperwork around. So essentially if you support self-checkouts, you just help the one percenters get more and while making sure the rest of society gets even less.

Are those two posts satire? Like trying to support buggy whip manufacturing?

The ignorance of economics and the messy process of progress is obvious, but the fun part is neither obviously has a clue what it's like to be the sort of person they're trying to "defend", they've never shopped at a discount grocer where you always have to bag your own stuff.

100%  with you on the stupidity of people worrying about automation coming for our shiatty part time service industry jobs.

To add to your point, having worked for a major chain for years, self checkouts didn't cause any cut in hours. It just meant the lines were a little shorter and the poor kids that were supposed to be stocking the lunch meat and canned goods actually got to do that occasionally instead of be on register all the time.

People would be shocked if they saw how small of a percentage store level payroll is in the total price of items.

Except oddly enough some people might actually like having what you describe as "shiatty" part-time service industry jobs. Not to mention some people actually like having staff who offer the service of handling at least one small part of the whole shopping nightmare.

Whether payroll is a small percentage or not, stores do not spend money on new infrastructure if it doesn't save them money. The ultimate intention of needing no people at checkouts is not to let them work at stocking shelves instead (although that is the lie they tell to anyone who complains) it's to eventually get them off the payroll. The whole point is to only have the bare minimum of staff in all areas at all times.

Do you think stores go to that trouble because they want to be nice to the customer? How is it making your shopping experience better? You still have to wait in a line, with the added benefit of having to do more of the work yourself. It's not my idea of improving the shopping experience.


What I'm saying is they are already at those minimums with or without those self checkouts. They're there to up the amount of transactions that can be processed for that minimum labor, and so are worth installing in certain cases.

Stores do care about customer experience to an extent, because unless you're out in the boonies you have more than one choice. I don't go to any of the Safeways in this town anymore because they don't run self checkouts and so always have huge lines at the 3 manned checkouts. Much better to go to Walmart or Fred Meyer where they will still only have the 3 open checkouts, even though they have 30, but they have a dozen self checkouts, so I'm not wasting 10 minutes While buying a 6 pack and a pizza waiting on granny to write a personal check for her 8 cases of catfood.

And maybe it's just that I've been a cashier, but biatching about bagging your own groceries just makes you look like a lazy coont.
 
2019-03-19 10:59:28 PM  

Quadlok: but biatching about bagging your own groceries just makes you look like a lazy coont.


I like how I bag better than the "pros".

My number one rule:  Cold things in as few bags as possible so I can procrastinate on the rest of it.
 
2019-03-19 11:22:24 PM  
This is the most Wisconsin story I've heard all day.
Difficulty, I'm in Wisconsin
 
2019-03-19 11:56:19 PM  
I once paid for groceries at Walmart and was surprised when the self checkout machine asked for more money instead of giving me back change. I had set the proper amount of $ on the machine just before I entered it. So, I had a dispute with the supervisor, who went to security, who brought up the register tapes, then both came back to me, tapped the self serve screen and there I was, seen from the top ad I checked out. Turned out to be my error. I didn't know they had high resolution cameras in the ceiling over each register. (Also noticed that I''m getting a bit thin on top.)

So it stands to reason that the majority of self service machines have cameras checking you out. Mainly because it's too easy to swap labels on something and only pay a few bucks for something worth $100. Something a human operator probably could catch. Plus those cameras are real high definition.
 
2019-03-20 12:18:10 AM  

jayphat: BumpInTheNight: Say what you will but a self-serve check outs just invite thieves to be thieves.  There's a Canadian Tire near me that installed a set of them and they were active for roughly two weeks before they were roped off due to what I can imagine was a crazy amount of casual theft.  I mean of all the stores this one was a terrible idea, they already had a full time security guard due to what I can assume was an ongoing problem with thieves from the less well off neighborhoods near by.

At least this particular thief had the brilliant idea to identify himself to the system in the process with his points card.

Oh man, do I have a CSB for this.
Years ago I worked for 'Mart as an assistant manager. While working the closing shift with another ASM we both got called up front by one of the customer service managers because the girl monitoring the self checkout said the lady checking out wasn't scanning all her stuff. So, we get up and I hang back as he oversaw the front and wanted to handle it. They stop the girl at the exit and say they think something didn't scan right on her checkout and just wanted to double check she didn't get overcharged. So, sure enough roughly 2/3's of her cart wasn't on her bill. So, we didn't accuse her of anything, we just asked her if she still wanted them, if so we'd ring them up for her. She says no, we keep our stuff, she goes on her way. I go up and talk to the girl working the checkout and the other manager walks the stuff back to the service desk to be put away. About 10 seconds after he slides out of view into the cubby I hear loud breathing and footsteps behind me, then "EXCUSE ME, DID YOU ACCUSE MY DAUGHTER OF STEALING?" My response was "maamm, no one accused your daughter of stealing. Second, the manager she interacted with is up at the service desk." So she starts huffing off and I radio him he was in for a fun time. About a min goes by and (from a distance) I hear loudly "where you going COWARD!?" He comes walking past me ...


I see your 3 family members, and raise you whole family of CSM at my wife's grocery store was busted for stealing at various times.  Daughter, and her boyfriend both worked at the same store, both fired for stealing.  Mother of CSM had also been popped for shoplifting.  To this day, I don't know how they didn't catch the CSM herself stealing, we all knew she was crooked.  I saw her lie to a customer to keep his change.  She also lied about how much I won on a scratch off ticket, and only gave me half, she refused to let me see the ticket.  Those are just what I saw personally, there's a mountain of theft stories, yet she got fired for something else.  I guess her key to getting away with it, she stoled from customers, while her family got caught stealing from the store.

/CSM is Customer Service Manager
//the cashier boss
///anyway, not one member of her family is allowed back in any of the stores
 
2019-03-20 12:46:05 AM  
I've got news for everyone complaining about the self checkout lanes. "Scan and bag" is now a thing. An app on your phone allows you to use your phone to scan items as you shop and bag them in  your reusable bags. When finished you go to a self scan lane and scan a UPC on your phone. The list of items you scanned is imported to the register and you pay.
 
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