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(Maine Beacon)   Sorry ladies. Access to menstrual products would make Maine's prisons too much like country clubs   (mainebeacon.com) divider line
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2019-03-18 10:24:27 PM  
Do they serve tampons with your meal at country clubs or something? Pop them out of a champagne bottle? 
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2019-03-18 10:39:02 PM  
Why are conservatives evil?
Every time given the chance, be horrible assholes or be decent human beings. They always choose the mean/petty/shiatty route.
 
2019-03-18 11:10:44 PM  
Christ what a mansplaining asshole.
 
2019-03-18 11:22:41 PM  
And once again a conservative man is arguing against basic human needs for women. Tampons and pads aren't farking luxury items!
 
2019-03-19 02:34:01 AM  
it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.
 
2019-03-19 02:36:26 AM  

calbert: it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.


You do know jails often contain people who haven't been convicted yet, right? And even the convicts shouldn't be treated like animals, ffs.
 
2019-03-19 02:37:11 AM  

sithon: Why are conservatives evil?
Every time given the chance, be horrible assholes or be decent human beings. They always choose the mean/petty/shiatty route.


The GOP just figures that the prisoners can pick their own cotton.
 
2019-03-19 02:39:13 AM  

fusillade762: calbert: it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.

You do know jails often contain people who haven't been convicted yet, right? And even the convicts shouldn't be treated like animals, ffs.


GOP logic: if they weren't guilty those poor people and minorities could afford bail. Of course they would have been given bail. Everyone gets that, right? Unless they're guilty?
 
2019-03-19 03:30:28 AM  

calbert: it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.


I hope you get arrested for being a dickbag. They are humans as well . Treating them like shiat increases recidivism.
 
2019-03-19 03:54:50 AM  
Does he also think its the height of luxury to get toilet paper in prison?

Some people have minds that only conceive of extremes.
 
2019-03-19 03:55:13 AM  
Full of bloody c***s?
 
2019-03-19 03:56:46 AM  
This is what Republicans are.
 
2019-03-19 03:58:40 AM  

calbert: it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.


People like you deserve to be in prison.
 
2019-03-19 04:03:57 AM  

calbert: it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.


I know, right? It's almost as if some people regard inmates, and women, as human beings who deserve at least the basics in sanitary accomodations simply because they're human beings.  I'm shocked, I tell you.

STFU and DIAF, troll.
 
2019-03-19 04:10:53 AM  

calbert: it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.


Oh look a conservative.
 
2019-03-19 04:11:07 AM  

Calypsocookie: Do they serve tampons with your meal at country clubs or something? Pop them out of a champagne bottle? 
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Whatever you do, don't order the Lobster Thermidor.  Trust me on this.
 
2019-03-19 04:18:22 AM  
Ah. So I RTFA. It sounds like they are currently being given appropriate supplies but state legislators wanted to ensure that  "future commissioners are not tempted to save money in their budgets or use menstrual products as tools of control by denying women access to basic necessities."
It makes local jails adhere to the standards imposed by the Federal Bereau of Prisons.
Or as the Police Chief states "micromanagement".

/these times are going to be really difficult to explain to future generations.
 
2019-03-19 04:24:29 AM  

calbert: it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.


It didn't deter the GOP.
 
2019-03-19 04:32:21 AM  

archeochick: Ah. So I RTFA. It sounds like they are currently being given appropriate supplies but state legislators wanted to ensure that  "future commissioners are not tempted to save money in their budgets or use menstrual products as tools of control by denying women access to basic necessities."
It makes local jails adhere to the standards imposed by the Federal Bereau of Prisons.
Or as the Police Chief states "micromanagement".

/these times are going to be really difficult to explain to future generations.


I also read it.

While I'll grant you we don't have some absolute proof that the supply levels aren't sufficient, you didn't have to get very far in to find a person quoted as saying they are insufficient. To rtfa and conclude they are sufficient is to basically be making shiat up because you want to believe it.

Especially given the realities of the prison health care system where a diabetic can die of ketoacidosis after informing numerous guards of his medical issues.

But even if they usually are given enough supplies, and even if some women didn't need more from time to time due to surprises, how is that a good argument against setting a standard proactively to prevent mistreatment?

Plus, jails and prisons SHOULD be made more like country clubs. We dehumanize people and then scratch our heads wondering why they don't come out better people than they went in as. It is a failure all around, and doesn't even work as a deterrent. A year in a country club would be enough to deter most people from wantonly commiting crimes. Making prisons extra shiatty has no additional deterrent effect, as those commiting crimes aren't crunching away at an actuarial cost benefit analysis to criminal behavior.
 
2019-03-19 04:38:41 AM  

Smackledorfer: archeochick: Ah. So I RTFA. It sounds like they are currently being given appropriate supplies but state legislators wanted to ensure that  "future commissioners are not tempted to save money in their budgets or use menstrual products as tools of control by denying women access to basic necessities."
It makes local jails adhere to the standards imposed by the Federal Bereau of Prisons.
Or as the Police Chief states "micromanagement".

/these times are going to be really difficult to explain to future generations.

I also read it.

While I'll grant you we don't have some absolute proof that the supply levels aren't sufficient, you didn't have to get very far in to find a person quoted as saying they are insufficient. To rtfa and conclude they are sufficient is to basically be making shiat up because you want to believe it.

Especially given the realities of the prison health care system where a diabetic can die of ketoacidosis after informing numerous guards of his medical issues.

But even if they usually are given enough supplies, and even if some women didn't need more from time to time due to surprises, how is that a good argument against setting a standard proactively to prevent mistreatment?

Plus, jails and prisons SHOULD be made more like country clubs. We dehumanize people and then scratch our heads wondering why they don't come out better people than they went in as. It is a failure all around, and doesn't even work as a deterrent. A year in a country club would be enough to deter most people from wantonly commiting crimes. Making prisons extra shiatty has no additional deterrent effect, as those commiting crimes aren't crunching away at an actuarial cost benefit analysis to criminal behavior.


But it DOES make the folks who pop a boner at the thought of someone being tortured and ritually humiliated happen, enticing them to vote for anyone promising still more of the same.
 
2019-03-19 04:39:40 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Smackledorfer: archeochick: Ah. So I RTFA. It sounds like they are currently being given appropriate supplies but state legislators wanted to ensure that  "future commissioners are not tempted to save money in their budgets or use menstrual products as tools of control by denying women access to basic necessities."
It makes local jails adhere to the standards imposed by the Federal Bereau of Prisons.
Or as the Police Chief states "micromanagement".

/these times are going to be really difficult to explain to future generations.

I also read it.

While I'll grant you we don't have some absolute proof that the supply levels aren't sufficient, you didn't have to get very far in to find a person quoted as saying they are insufficient. To rtfa and conclude they are sufficient is to basically be making shiat up because you want to believe it.

Especially given the realities of the prison health care system where a diabetic can die of ketoacidosis after informing numerous guards of his medical issues.

But even if they usually are given enough supplies, and even if some women didn't need more from time to time due to surprises, how is that a good argument against setting a standard proactively to prevent mistreatment?

Plus, jails and prisons SHOULD be made more like country clubs. We dehumanize people and then scratch our heads wondering why they don't come out better people than they went in as. It is a failure all around, and doesn't even work as a deterrent. A year in a country club would be enough to deter most people from wantonly commiting crimes. Making prisons extra shiatty has no additional deterrent effect, as those commiting crimes aren't crunching away at an actuarial cost benefit analysis to criminal behavior.

But it DOES make the folks who pop a boner at the thought of someone being tortured and ritually humiliated happY, enticing them to vote for anyone promising still more of the same.


FTFM.
 
2019-03-19 04:45:37 AM  
Honestly what the heck?ifc
 
2019-03-19 04:46:41 AM  

BlousyBrown: Honestly what the heck?ifc


And my  phone  sucks
 
2019-03-19 04:47:15 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: But it DOES make the folks who pop a boner at the thought of someone being tortured and ritually humiliated happy, enticing them to vote for anyone promising still more of the same.


Yup.
 
2019-03-19 04:48:09 AM  
Maybe I'm biased because most of my relatives are women, but would it be so difficult to provide a basic level of decency for women prisoners?

These are corrections facilities. Punishment is the very devil you purport to oppose. Also could we stop having men making decisions for women that are specific to issues only experienced by women?
 
2019-03-19 04:51:08 AM  
"Quite frankly, and I don't mean this in any disrespect, the jail system and the correctional system was never meant to be a country club," he said

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2019-03-19 05:04:58 AM  

Smackledorfer: archeochick: Ah. So I RTFA. It sounds like they are currently being given appropriate supplies but state legislators wanted to ensure that  "future commissioners are not tempted to save money in their budgets or use menstrual products as tools of control by denying women access to basic necessities."
It makes local jails adhere to the standards imposed by the Federal Bereau of Prisons.
Or as the Police Chief states "micromanagement".

/these times are going to be really difficult to explain to future generations.

I also read it.

While I'll grant you we don't have some absolute proof that the supply levels aren't sufficient, you didn't have to get very far in to find a person quoted as saying they are insufficient. To rtfa and conclude they are sufficient is to basically be making shiat up because you want to believe it.

Especially given the realities of the prison health care system where a diabetic can die of ketoacidosis after informing numerous guards of his medical issues.

But even if they usually are given enough supplies, and even if some women didn't need more from time to time due to surprises, how is that a good argument against setting a standard proactively to prevent mistreatment?

Plus, jails and prisons SHOULD be made more like country clubs. We dehumanize people and then scratch our heads wondering why they don't come out better people than they went in as. It is a failure all around, and doesn't even work as a deterrent. A year in a country club would be enough to deter most people from wantonly commiting crimes. Making prisons extra shiatty has no additional deterrent effect, as those commiting crimes aren't crunching away at an actuarial cost benefit analysis to criminal behavior.


I don't disagree.  I thought I was clear that I thought the police Chief was a prat.  My apologies.
 
2019-03-19 05:09:23 AM  

archeochick: My apologies.


No worries.
 
2019-03-19 05:20:09 AM  

archeochick: Ah. So I RTFA. It sounds like they are currently being given appropriate supplies but state legislators wanted to ensure that  "future commissioners are not tempted to save money in their budgets or use menstrual products as tools of control by denying women access to basic necessities."
It makes local jails adhere to the standards imposed by the Federal Bereau of Prisons.
Or as the Police Chief states "micromanagement".

/these times are going to be really difficult to explain to future generations.


No. They are given limited supplies that are deemed "appropriate."
 
2019-03-19 05:38:57 AM  
Only a horrible club, like Mara Largo.
 
2019-03-19 05:41:32 AM  

vrax: "Quite frankly, and I don't mean this in any disrespect, the jail system and the correctional system was never meant to be a country club," he said

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how does he know about the basket of free tampons in the ladies' room, hmmmm?
 
2019-03-19 05:44:14 AM  
During a hearing last week over whether incarcerated Mainers should be guaranteed access to basic menstrual hygiene products, Republican state Rep. Richard Pickett of Dixfield cautioned that such a rule might make the prison system seem too much like a "country club."

if its petty, mean spirited, spiteful, cruel and/or vindictive - there's almost always a republican supporting it.
 
2019-03-19 05:44:34 AM  

sithon: Why are conservatives evil?
Every time given the chance, be horrible assholes or be decent human beings. They always choose the mean/petty/shiatty route.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/arc​h​ive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/5​72104/
 
2019-03-19 05:48:40 AM  

Catlenfell: Only a horrible club, like Mara Largo.


There's good country clubs?
 
2019-03-19 05:53:25 AM  
I never thought about it but tampons must be traded in women's prisons like cigs.
 
2019-03-19 05:55:45 AM  
 This guy is a Republican from "Dixfield," but I'd still wager that he's never properly serviced a vagina. Men who use the law to punish women never do.
 
2019-03-19 06:06:12 AM  

notgonnatellu: vrax: "Quite frankly, and I don't mean this in any disrespect, the jail system and the correctional system was never meant to be a country club," he said

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how does he know about the basket of free tampons in the ladies' room, hmmmm?


"They have the worst breadsticks in there" he complained.
 
2019-03-19 06:24:29 AM  

doglover: There's good country clubs?


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2019-03-19 06:29:48 AM  

Boo_Guy: calbert: it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.

Oh look a conservative.


You dont know he votes. He could just be an Asshole.
 
2019-03-19 06:40:37 AM  

calbert: it makes it sound like prison isn't an ideal place to be.

if only this information was available to all of the current inmates prior to their arrests.


As a former CO, I'd like to point out that your farked up desire for punishing people vicariously is what gets staff members killed.
You know, those Blue Lives you're always whining about?
 
2019-03-19 06:52:01 AM  

archeochick: Ah. So I RTFA. It sounds like they are currently being given appropriate supplies but state legislators wanted to ensure that  "future commissioners are not tempted to save money in their budgets or use menstrual products as tools of control by denying women access to basic necessities."
It makes local jails adhere to the standards imposed by the Federal Bereau of Prisons.
Or as the Police Chief states "micromanagement".

/these times are going to be really difficult to explain to future generations.


Further reading of TFA also indicates that the products they ARE getting tend to be lowest bidder crap - low quality/function - which means what should theoretically be adequate, ain't.   Doesn't help that women individually vary a lot as far as needs for stuff, so any standards are at best suggestion-ish.  So the supplies are not currently that appropriate, while technically still being provided.  Pretty much the equivalent of serving prisoners nutraloaf and horse balls and claiming they're being adequately fed, so what's the farking problem?   This article makes me feel punchier than the shiat on the politics tab this morning, and I'm a dude.  No, you can't provide prisoners infinite supplies of anything, they'll use it annoyingly innovative ways to fark up the system.  But I don't care if you're Dennis farking Rader, you get adequate gear for basic hygiene!
 
2019-03-19 07:10:27 AM  
Ladies of Maine... I have an idea. Please hear me out: VOTE!

/no, no... not you (felons)
//maybe reconsider that too?
 
2019-03-19 07:29:15 AM  
We know how this will end...

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2019-03-19 07:40:45 AM  
By all means, a sanitary prison is a country club.  *eyeroll*
 
2019-03-19 07:46:18 AM  
The Republicans want to lock everyone up and then not be responsible for caring for them in the slightest.

They're filthy animals that way.
 
2019-03-19 07:49:24 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The Republicans want to lock everyone up and then not be responsible for caring for them in the slightest.


and then act shocked and surprised when people come out of those prisons emotionally damaged and have difficulty fitting back into society.  gee - its almost as if the organized, systemic abuse was creating long term inter-generational problems.....go figure!
 
2019-03-19 07:50:37 AM  
I have a female cousin in a Florida prison. She says this is a huge issue. They ration tampons and pads to the inmates and those that need more because they are heavy bleeders or have some type of issue have to suffer without. It's bad enough to have to deal with a period but to not have supplies and feel gross is awful.
 
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2019-03-19 08:08:12 AM  
The men's cell can go without toilet paper too.  Country club and shiat.
 
2019-03-19 08:11:09 AM  

reno301: I have a female cousin in a Florida prison. She says this is a huge issue. They ration tampons and pads to the inmates and those that need more because they are heavy bleeders or have some type of issue have to suffer without. It's bad enough to have to deal with a period but to not have supplies and feel gross be susceptible to complications, infection or toxic shock, is awful.

 
2019-03-19 08:11:58 AM  

reno301: I have a female cousin in a Florida prison. She says this is a huge issue. They ration tampons and pads to the inmates and those that need more because they are heavy bleeders or have some type of issue have to suffer without. It's bad enough to have to deal with a period but to not have supplies and feel gross is awful.


OMG, my body has recently switched into "part the red sea" mode in the first two/three days, and that sucks terribly even with access to as many high quality, high absorbency tampons as my twat desires.

I can't begin to imagine someone telling me "you had your twelve cheap tampons, you should have been more careful with them" O.O
 
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