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2019-03-18 09:47:25 PM  
Pay them better wages and benefits
 
2019-03-18 09:55:24 PM  
So companies want to hirer more unskilled people they can force to work for next to nothing than specialists they have to pay a decent wage. Interdasting.
 
2019-03-18 10:30:27 PM  

WTFDYW: Pay them better wages and benefits


And steal from shareholders? How dare you suggest such a thing?

/yes, Milton Friedman once suggested paying top dollar for employees was the same as theft from share holders
 
2019-03-18 11:25:56 PM  
So much in demand that they get few, if any benefits or rights as workers and pay that's a fraction of a living wage. Woohoo!
 
2019-03-19 12:06:57 AM  
So are 10 dollar whores...what's your point subby
 
2019-03-19 12:40:41 AM  
Here in Colorado, there aren't enough construction workers to meet demand.
 
2019-03-19 05:56:25 AM  
Companies will still complain about having to raise starting wages.
They'll refuse to do so, and keep complaining about not finding workers.
 
2019-03-19 05:58:11 AM  

thisdaydreamer: So much in demand that they get few, if any benefits or rights as workers and pay that's a fraction of a living wage. Woohoo!


and it has gotten worse over the years, Assistant Managers used to be salaried , full time workers were numerous in the big box stores, and pay while not great when divided by the hours worked for a manager was decent. Stores used to be staffed to get the job done and take care of customers, now 1 person in the store until Noon, sure that will work
 
2019-03-19 06:11:36 AM  
Maybe if you pay and treat people decently and not like tools you might be able to get/keep them.
 
2019-03-19 06:13:08 AM  

MrBallou: So companies want to hirer more unskilled people they can force to work for next to nothing than specialists they have to pay a decent wage. Interdasting.


You mean like H1B contractors?  That's why tech demand is low.
 
2019-03-19 06:47:00 AM  

Warrior Kermit: Stores used to be staffed to get the job done and take care of customers, now 1 person in the store until Noon, sure that will work


AngryDragon: You mean like H1B contractors? That's why tech demand is low.


It's almost as if Corporate greed is what is killing the American economy, not over-regulation.
 
2019-03-19 07:08:20 AM  

Catlenfell: Companies will still complain about having to raise starting wages.
They'll refuse to do so, and keep complaining about not finding workers.


In restaurant and retail, though, no one will suggest raising H-1B or other visa caps to address the "alarming" shortage of workers willing to work for peanuts.
 
kab
2019-03-19 07:34:02 AM  

SurfaceTension: WTFDYW: Pay them better wages and benefits

And steal from shareholders? How dare you suggest such a thing?

/yes, Milton Friedman once suggested paying top dollar for employees was the same as theft from share holders


His shareholder theory is easily one of the worst ideas ever incorporated into law.
 
2019-03-19 07:40:22 AM  
But that kind of job is only supposed to be a temporary gig filled by mostly teenagers and retirees, not a job for real working people to live on.  Clearly the solution is that we need more teens and retirees.
 
2019-03-19 07:50:11 AM  
So they shouldn't "LERN 2 CODE"?
 
2019-03-19 07:56:49 AM  

optikeye: So are 10 dollar whores...what's your point subby


Ten dollar whores at the same time, man.
 
2019-03-19 08:02:45 AM  
I love how corporations are people, my friend, but we show significantly more empathy to people than corporations.

Makes you wonder what's really going on here.
 
2019-03-19 08:14:56 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I love how corporations are people, my friend, but we show significantly more empathy to people than corporations.

Makes you wonder what's really going on here.


When was the last a corporation demonstrated empathy? Super bowl commercials don't count.
 
2019-03-19 08:21:20 AM  

Chabash: Mike_LowELL: I love how corporations are people, my friend, but we show significantly more empathy to people than corporations.

Makes you wonder what's really going on here.

When was the last a corporation demonstrated empathy? Super bowl commercials don't count.


I give the example of The Donald Trump Charitable Trust Foundation, and that in 1987, the head of the foundation (Donald Trump) wrote a fifty-thousand-dollar check to the children of Donald Trump, in order to assist them in their future endeavors.

There are many other examples, but I don't want to turn this into a Donald Trump thread.
 
2019-03-19 08:35:24 AM  
Sounds like a business transaction. How does that demonstrate empathy?
 
2019-03-19 09:04:03 AM  

Chabash: Sounds like a business transaction. How does that demonstrate empathy?


I'll just say that you should probably read the Tweets of TrumpFan772866 before we continue this discussion.

I've seen a couple of arguments that this account is a Russian bot, but you start reading some of its posts about "BlameHillary=1" and it will give you some incredible insight into Trump economic theory.
 
2019-03-19 09:21:47 AM  

groppet: Maybe if you pay and treat people decently and not like tools you might be able to get/keep them.


Slow your roll there, comrade. This isn't the socialist paradise you dream of. This is the real world.
 
2019-03-19 09:24:38 AM  

Bob Falfa: Here in Colorado, there aren't enough construction workers to meet demand.


Don't construction workers only work 9 months out of the year in Colorado?
 
2019-03-19 09:25:04 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Chabash: Sounds like a business transaction. How does that demonstrate empathy?

I'll just say that you should probably read the Tweets of TrumpFan772866 before we continue this discussion.

I've seen a couple of arguments that this account is a Russian bot, but you start reading some of its posts about "BlameHillary=1" and it will give you some incredible insight into Trump economic theory.


Strangely enough, I do believe that Russian boots are more capable of empathy than most American corporations.
 
2019-03-19 09:25:26 AM  

roc6783: But that kind of job is only supposed to be a temporary gig filled by mostly teenagers and retirees, not a job for real working people to live on.  Clearly the solution is that we need more teens and retirees.


Damn, you beat me to it. Everyone knows by now that if you're not rotating on and off the corporate ladder, you don't deserve to make enough money to live. All of my hard-earned money from pushing pencils all day lets me participate in leisure activities that distract my mind enough to not think about pesky things like too many people not enough upper-crust jobs. Also my cousin owns a woodworking factory out in North Dakota and can't find anyone to start at 20$/hr! Move where the good jobs are people!

/I typed this out waiting in the drivethru for my daily McGriddle, these schmucks take 5 whole minutes to get me through the line and they want more money?! Pfff!
 
2019-03-19 09:29:22 AM  
"Retail and restaurant workers are more in demand than tech workers"

Bullsh*t. If they were "more in demand" they would be paid like it. So where's the money?
 
2019-03-19 09:46:46 AM  
When I was a kid, we went out to eat maybe six times a year, and it was a dress up occasion with white tablecloths and the neighbors were all jealous of the fancy Ker_Thwap family going out to eat again...

My elderly dad and his racist wife were whining because some retail store was closing and their little Kansas town has 100 restaurants, and no place to buy clothes!  They also whine when they have to wait to be seated, and when the service is slow.  Oh, and they go out to dinner at least four nights a week at a chain restaurant.

Somehow, they seem to think it's the Millennials' fault for building too many restaurants, and for not wanting to work for dollar tips.

Consumers expect cheap quantity that's vaguely tasty and readily convenient.  The only way to keep it cheap is to screw the front line workers.  It's hardly fair to whine about the very thing you created.
 
2019-03-19 10:06:17 AM  
Been seeing a number of people pushing the anti-self-checkout images around, automation seems to be the real industry response to a dried up unskilled labour pool.  We've got a big amazon fulfillment center opening up on the edge of town in the near future and they keep touting all these jobs it'll create for the serf class...right up until the automation becomes available.

Good luck to anyone who hasn't figured out their purpose in life...because as far as value to the rest of us yours has never been lower and its pretty clear what happens to things with no value in these parts.
 
2019-03-19 10:17:21 AM  

Bob Falfa: Here in Colorado, there aren't enough construction workers to meet demand.


Same here in Massachusetts. Unfortunately, the apartments being built will just be bought by investors and kept empty or AirBnB'd.
 
2019-03-19 10:30:13 AM  

Bob Falfa: Here in Colorado, there aren't enough construction workers to meet demand.


...at the prices the home builders are willing to pay.
 
2019-03-19 10:49:28 AM  
Except the jobs report that came out a couple days ago said the retail sector shrank while manufacturing and tech expanded.
Sooooo, okay.
 
2019-03-19 10:56:58 AM  
I don't understand why Mom and Pop's Diner won't just pay their busboy $100,000/yr. to do a job that requires literally zero skills or education in an industry with razor-thin margins. Farking corporate fat cats, hogging all the profits for their shareholders!
 
2019-03-19 10:58:58 AM  

mod3072: I don't understand why Mom and Pop's Diner won't just pay their busboy $100,000/yr. to do a job that requires literally zero skills or education in an industry with razor-thin margins. Farking corporate fat cats, hogging all the profits for their shareholders!


Did your head cave in? Do I need to call an ambulance?
 
2019-03-19 11:00:15 AM  

mrsleep: Except the jobs report that came out a couple days ago said the retail sector shrank while manufacturing and tech expanded.
Sooooo, okay.


Just lobbing a potential explanation here:  With the other industries expanding its letting all those over-educated retail & service job squatters leave to find their true calling, creating a void of truly destitute people who's only option is unskilled labour and never found their niche within it.  IE retail and service industry lifers or young workers without the experience to move on to green pastures yet.
 
2019-03-19 11:01:57 AM  

mrsleep: Except the jobs report that came out a couple days ago said the retail sector shrank while manufacturing and tech expanded.
Sooooo, okay.


sounds like people got better jobs and now Mcdowels needs some dumbasses to push the button on the burger machine
 
Juc
2019-03-19 11:14:23 AM  
until the robots take over
 
2019-03-19 11:21:50 AM  
My family owns a restaurant, and the wages we pay our kitchen employees are up about 40% in the last 7  years, a period in which inflation overall is only up 15%.

This is 100% due to low unemployment.  It's gotten harder and harder to hire anyone, as everyone already has a job, so you have to keep raising wages higher.  But all the other businesses are doing the same thing, so it doesn't work.

Eventually this leads inflation to come back and government ramps up interest rates to shut down the economy to put a stop to it.
 
2019-03-19 11:27:59 AM  

2chris2: My family owns a restaurant, and the wages we pay our kitchen employees are up about 40% in the last 7  years, a period in which inflation overall is only up 15%.

This is 100% due to low unemployment.  It's gotten harder and harder to hire anyone, as everyone already has a job, so you have to keep raising wages higher.  But all the other businesses are doing the same thing, so it doesn't work.

Eventually this leads inflation to come back and government ramps up interest rates to shut down the economy to put a stop to it.


Someone call the CDC. It looks like we have an epidemic.
 
2019-03-19 11:28:22 AM  
 
2019-03-19 11:29:29 AM  
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2019-03-19 11:32:10 AM  

mod3072: I don't understand why Mom and Pop's Diner won't just pay their busboy $100,000/yr. to do a job that requires literally zero skills or education in an industry with razor-thin margins. Farking corporate fat cats, hogging all the profits for their shareholders!


No it isn't necessary to pay the bus boy $100k, but if you refuse to pay him enough to support at least a lower middle class existence in your area, then you are part of the poverty problem.
 
2019-03-19 11:32:42 AM  

2chris2: My family owns a restaurant, and the wages we pay our kitchen employees are up about 40% in the last 7  years, a period in which inflation overall is only up 15%.

This is 100% due to low unemployment.  It's gotten harder and harder to hire anyone, as everyone already has a job, so you have to keep raising wages higher.  But all the other businesses are doing the same thing, so it doesn't work.

Eventually this leads inflation to come back and government ramps up interest rates to shut down the economy to put a stop to it.


If only they too, had been born into management like yourself, eh?  Stupid peasants demanding a wage they can survive upon, be born into a better situation like the rest of us!
 
2019-03-19 11:46:31 AM  

rewind2846: "Retail and restaurant workers are more in demand than tech workers"

Bullsh*t. If they were "more in demand" they would be paid like it. So where's the money?


Ooh, I know this one! The answer is that they will hire anything with a pulse and still remain chronically understaffed so the employees are constantly scrambling to keep up and having to adjust their schedules whenever anyone is sick, on vacation, or pulls a no-show. And yet, little to no overtime because any hours they cover last second get taken away from another day. What do I win?

/worked retail.
//don't work retail any more.
////four
 
2019-03-19 11:57:44 AM  

Marksrevenge: Ooh, I know this one! The answer is that they will hire anything with a pulse and still remain chronically understaffed so the employees are constantly scrambling to keep up and having to adjust their schedules whenever anyone is sick, on vacation, or pulls a no-show. And yet, little to no overtime because any hours they cover last second get taken away from another day. What do I win?


You win the split shift because the manager has no idea how to schedule and thinks that a three hour unpaid gap is perfect for napping in your car and doesn't see why it's such a problem.
 
2019-03-19 12:01:05 PM  

Sophont: Marksrevenge: Ooh, I know this one! The answer is that they will hire anything with a pulse and still remain chronically understaffed so the employees are constantly scrambling to keep up and having to adjust their schedules whenever anyone is sick, on vacation, or pulls a no-show. And yet, little to no overtime because any hours they cover last second get taken away from another day. What do I win?

You win the split shift because the manager has no idea how to schedule and thinks that a three hour unpaid gap is perfect for napping in your car and doesn't see why it's such a problem.


Sounds like the perfect job for college kids and the elderly. Those loafs don't got anything better to do anyways. And if they don't like it I hear there's plenty of construction work out in Colorado.
 
2019-03-19 12:04:46 PM  

NorthernMT: mod3072: I don't understand why Mom and Pop's Diner won't just pay their busboy $100,000/yr. to do a job that requires literally zero skills or education in an industry with razor-thin margins. Farking corporate fat cats, hogging all the profits for their shareholders!

No it isn't necessary to pay the bus boy $100k, but if you refuse to pay him enough to support at least a lower middle class existence in your area, then you are part of the poverty problem.


Obviously I was exaggerating to make a point, but these threads are always full of people who have never owned a business or had an employee shouting "JUST PAY EVERYONE MORE! PROBLEM SOLVED!!" It's not always that simple. Not every business is Wal Mart or Amazon. Small businesses often can't afford to pay more, and the big boys are going to pay the bare minimum required to keep themselves minimally staffed.
 
2019-03-19 12:13:50 PM  

mod3072: Obviously I was exaggerating to make a point, but these threads are always full of people who have never owned a business or had an employee shouting "JUST PAY EVERYONE MORE! PROBLEM SOLVED!!" It's not always that simple. Not every business is Wal Mart or Amazon. Small businesses often can't afford to pay more, and the big boys are going to pay the bare minimum required to keep themselves minimally staffed.


Oh no, we're clearly aware that 'pay a living wage' is only one half of the equation.  The other half is 'Because if you can't, your business will die.  As the circle of capitalist-life intended.'  Still simple.  Frankly I'm surprised anyone wants to throw their will into a small business with behemoths like amazon stomping them flat without even noticing.  What a stupid thing to toil towards without some sort of silver bullet to survive in that environment.
 
2019-03-19 12:41:05 PM  

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2019-03-19 12:54:20 PM  

NorthernMT: mod3072: I don't understand why Mom and Pop's Diner won't just pay their busboy $100,000/yr. to do a job that requires literally zero skills or education in an industry with razor-thin margins. Farking corporate fat cats, hogging all the profits for their shareholders!

No it isn't necessary to pay the bus boy $100k, but if you refuse to pay him enough to support at least a lower middle class existence in your area, then you are part of the poverty problem.


A lower middle class wage in my area would be over $21 an hour. That's an insane wage for a busboy.
 
2019-03-19 12:57:25 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Bob Falfa: Here in Colorado, there aren't enough construction workers to meet demand.

Don't construction workers only work 9 months out of the year in Colorado?


Weather limits some construction work in the mountains, but those places are relatively small compared to the cities. Those do sometimes lose a few days to a snowstorm, but it's so dry that's still probably less interruption than most places in the country.
 
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