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2019-03-16 07:10:53 PM  
Paging   Photoshop   -  Need some Side by Side pics of the fine people in Shidiots administration showing solidarity with the base.
 
2019-03-16 07:19:26 PM  
Damn he's a short angry dude
 
2019-03-16 07:53:18 PM  
Started as a joke... like many things. It is very clearly not a joke anymore.
 
2019-03-16 08:12:01 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Started as a joke... like many things. It is very clearly not a joke anymore.


@lincolnsbibe did a good thread on this last night. Basically when my generation was in high school/college, 4chan was mostly a place for silly memes. It's only had a segment go full douche in their hate meme generation in recent years. Same goes for reddit. But that's why you'll see some people my age ~25=35 have pictures doing these memes back in 2014 and earlier before it became a hate meme.

/AOC was used as an example of that last point
 
2019-03-16 08:13:55 PM  
Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.
 
2019-03-16 08:19:32 PM  

NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.


He's using it in the context of awaiting trial for mass murder in the name of white supremacy. I'm pretty sure he's a white supremacist.
 
2019-03-16 08:23:23 PM  

King Something: NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.

He's using it in the context of awaiting trial for mass murder in the name of white supremacy. I'm pretty sure he's a white supremacist.


Of course he is. That's what I'm saying. An obvious white supremacist throws the sign up, it means white supremacist. Someone who's not a white supremacist uses it (which is most people), it doesn't mean that. Which means focusing on stupid hand signs is meaningless. His actions and words say plenty already.
 
2019-03-16 08:24:20 PM  

NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.


Not meh. When somebody in the Trump administration does it on air during a Senate hearing, it legitimizes White Power and sends a message to other white supremacists that it's OK with the President of the USA to hate minorities.

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The NZ asshole doubtless saw this and took it to heart.

It's hardly a laughing matter.
 
2019-03-16 08:29:45 PM  

MrBallou: NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.

Not meh. When somebody in the Trump administration does it on air during a Senate hearing, it legitimizes White Power and sends a message to other white supremacists that it's OK with the President of the USA to hate minorities.

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The NZ asshole doubtless saw this and took it to heart.

It's hardly a laughing matter.


And if she hadn't done that nobody would have realized the Trump administration might be slightly racist? I mean, they sure are subtle about it, but there have been signs of it here and there.
 
2019-03-16 08:36:29 PM  

NeoCortex42: MrBallou: NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.

Not meh. When somebody in the Trump administration does it on air during a Senate hearing, it legitimizes White Power and sends a message to other white supremacists that it's OK with the President of the USA to hate minorities.

[img.fark.net image 639x359]
[img.fark.net image 638x421]

The NZ asshole doubtless saw this and took it to heart.

It's hardly a laughing matter.

And if she hadn't done that nobody would have realized the Trump administration might be slightly racist? I mean, they sure are subtle about it, but there have been signs of it here and there.


Yeah. Little things like muslim bans and putting immigrants in gulags. Those were bad, too.
 
2019-03-16 08:39:36 PM  

NeoCortex42: MrBallou: NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.

Not meh. When somebody in the Trump administration does it on air during a Senate hearing, it legitimizes White Power and sends a message to other white supremacists that it's OK with the President of the USA to hate minorities.

[img.fark.net image 639x359]
[img.fark.net image 638x421]

The NZ asshole doubtless saw this and took it to heart.

It's hardly a laughing matter.

And if she hadn't done that nobody would have realized the Trump administration might be slightly racist? I mean, they sure are subtle about it, but there have been signs of it here and there.


Except that the message being sent is not simply "we're racists", the message being sent is "The President Of The United States officially approves of white supremacy and actively encourages Nazis to wage a race war in his name."

Sometimes the messenger is part of the message.
 
2019-03-16 08:41:05 PM  

King Something: NeoCortex42: MrBallou: NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.

Not meh. When somebody in the Trump administration does it on air during a Senate hearing, it legitimizes White Power and sends a message to other white supremacists that it's OK with the President of the USA to hate minorities.

[img.fark.net image 639x359]
[img.fark.net image 638x421]

The NZ asshole doubtless saw this and took it to heart.

It's hardly a laughing matter.

And if she hadn't done that nobody would have realized the Trump administration might be slightly racist? I mean, they sure are subtle about it, but there have been signs of it here and there.

Except that the message being sent is not simply "we're racists", the message being sent is "The President Of The United States officially approves of white supremacy and actively encourages Nazis to wage a race war in his name."

Sometimes the messenger is part of the message.


"Very fine people" didn't already say that?
 
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2019-03-16 08:41:23 PM  
Isn't it kind of interesting that we're seeing here what happened 20 years ago with extremist muslims - the further the mainstream right moves, the further still subgroups move and out of those are bore terrorists. Kind of like an onion, each doesn't see the jump from their level to the next to be overly extreme and because they actively avoid contact with those outside their group it allows the extreme attitudes we see.

i.e. 
average American wouldn't see average republican as extreme.
average republican wouldn't see average hard-right (i.e. tucker Carlson) as extreme
average hard-right wouldn't see average 4channer as overly extreme
average 4channer wouldn't see /pol anon as overly extreme
average /pol anon wouldn't see actual terrorist as overly extreme.

It seems extremely similar to Islamic terrorism.
 
2019-03-16 08:47:14 PM  

NeoCortex42: "Very fine people" didn't already say that?


Let me get this straight -- Trump once gave his tacit approval of Nazism by calling them "very fine people," so that somehow means all other uses of white supremacist symbols and language don't count as such? That's what you're trying to say?


You seem very keen to defend Nazis and their use of their special gang sign. Why is that?
 
2019-03-16 08:49:37 PM  

King Something: NeoCortex42: "Very fine people" didn't already say that?

Let me get this straight -- Trump once gave his tacit approval of Nazism by calling them "very fine people," so that somehow means all other uses of white supremacist symbols and language don't count as such? That's what you're trying to say?


You seem very keen to defend Nazis and their use of their special gang sign. Why is that?


No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time when actual words and actions speak loudly enough as it is.
 
2019-03-16 08:50:04 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Started as a joke... like many things. It is very clearly not a joke anymore.


This.
 
2019-03-16 08:58:45 PM  

NeoCortex42: MrBallou: NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.

Not meh. When somebody in the Trump administration does it on air during a Senate hearing, it legitimizes White Power and sends a message to other white supremacists that it's OK with the President of the USA to hate minorities.

[img.fark.net image 639x359]
[img.fark.net image 638x421]

The NZ asshole doubtless saw this and took it to heart.

It's hardly a laughing matter.

And if she hadn't done that nobody would have realized the Trump administration might be slightly racist? I mean, they sure are subtle about it, but there have been signs of it here and there.


I've had conversations with MAGAts who genuinely believe claim there is nothing racist about Dolt-45 or his administration.
 
2019-03-16 09:01:17 PM  

NeoCortex42: No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time


Oh FFS...symbols and hand signs mean something. From the peace sign to the 'black power sign' to taking a kneed.
WTF are you really trying to say .."STFU with you daring to even noticing White Power hand signs used by White house officials...because, hey...the admin is already racist? "...because that kinda sounds what your trying to say.
 
2019-03-16 09:04:04 PM  

optikeye: NeoCortex42: No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time

Oh FFS...symbols and hand signs mean something. From the peace sign to the 'black power sign' to taking a kneed.
WTF are you really trying to say .."STFU with you daring to even noticing White Power hand signs used by White house officials...because, hey...the admin is already racist? "...because that kinda sounds what your trying to say.


The peace sign is pretty much universally known. This white power sign is only amongst a relative minority of people. So seeing the sign on its own out of context means nothing. And if you already know the person is a Nazi, a hand sign isn't really adding any new info. Or is everybody that signs "ok" suddenly a nazi now?
 
2019-03-16 09:04:51 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Started as a joke... like many things. It is very clearly not a joke anymore.


IT started as a "Joke" between white power people and white supremists. HA HA HA.
 
2019-03-16 09:06:48 PM  

NeoCortex42: King Something: NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.

He's using it in the context of awaiting trial for mass murder in the name of white supremacy. I'm pretty sure he's a white supremacist.

Of course he is. That's what I'm saying. An obvious white supremacist throws the sign up, it means white supremacist. Someone who's not a white supremacist uses it (which is most people), it doesn't mean that. Which means focusing on stupid hand signs is meaningless. His actions and words say plenty already.


You can't be more wrong on this. You're so wrong on this I don't even understand where you come up with this. It's a white supremacist symbol, full stop.

Meanwhile, we need to take another look at that woman flashing it constantly behind Brett Kavanaugh during his hearings. Someone needs to give her a call.
 
2019-03-16 09:07:20 PM  

NeoCortex42: optikeye: NeoCortex42: No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time

Oh FFS...symbols and hand signs mean something. From the peace sign to the 'black power sign' to taking a kneed.
WTF are you really trying to say .."STFU with you daring to even noticing White Power hand signs used by White house officials...because, hey...the admin is already racist? "...because that kinda sounds what your trying to say.

The peace sign is pretty much universally known. This white power sign is only amongst a relative minority of people. So seeing the sign on its own out of context means nothing. And if you already know the person is a Nazi, a hand sign isn't really adding any new info. Or is everybody that signs "ok" suddenly a nazi now?


It's not an OK symbol. It's different. What's wrong with you?
 
2019-03-16 09:08:32 PM  
Try him in Saudi Arabia.
 
2019-03-16 09:10:54 PM  
I don't believe New Zealsnd has the death penalty.

Shame, as this asshat richly deserves the death penalty.
 
2019-03-16 09:11:01 PM  

NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use.


a lot like calling themselves 'grand wizards' and wearing stupid hats.
Extremists use absurdity on-purpose precisely so people will say 'meh.'
 
2019-03-16 09:11:03 PM  
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2019-03-16 09:11:43 PM  
Wow, this guy has really taken the "circle game" to the next level.
 
2019-03-16 09:12:09 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: It's not an OK symbol. It's different. What's wrong with you?


I'm thinking some gamer white guy that's upset some internet meme he thought was 'okay' was actually a white power symbol and it's was just a 'funny thing' and you don't have a sense of humor and why don't we have a Miss. "WHITE AMERICA!" RIGHT? AND YOUR THE RACIST.
 
2019-03-16 09:12:29 PM  
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2019-03-16 09:12:41 PM  
Why is his face blurred? Also, are hospital gowns prison attire in New Zealand? They do make for easy access....
 
2019-03-16 09:12:52 PM  
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2019-03-16 09:14:11 PM  

NeoCortex42: optikeye: NeoCortex42: No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time

Oh FFS...symbols and hand signs mean something. From the peace sign to the 'black power sign' to taking a kneed.
WTF are you really trying to say .."STFU with you daring to even noticing White Power hand signs used by White house officials...because, hey...the admin is already racist? "...because that kinda sounds what your trying to say.

The peace sign is pretty much universally known. This white power sign is only amongst a relative minority of people. So seeing the sign on its own out of context means nothing. And if you already know the person is a Nazi, a hand sign isn't really adding any new info. Or is everybody that signs "ok" suddenly a nazi now?


https://www.politico.com/magazine/sto​r​y/2017/02/fake-news-gateway-pundit-whi​te-house-trump-briefing-room-214781

https://www.joemygod.com/2017/12/ever​y​thing-fine-white-house-intern-flashes-​white-power-hand-sign-group-photo-trum​p/
 
2019-03-16 09:14:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: King Something: NeoCortex42: "Very fine people" didn't already say that?

Let me get this straight -- Trump once gave his tacit approval of Nazism by calling them "very fine people," so that somehow means all other uses of white supremacist symbols and language don't count as such? That's what you're trying to say?


You seem very keen to defend Nazis and their use of their special gang sign. Why is that?

No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time when actual words and actions speak loudly enough as it is.


If a white supremacist gives a white supremacist hand sign to announce that he or she is a white supremacist, it would not be wise to dismiss the sign as being more meaningless than a fart in a tornado simply because there exist non-Nazi uses of that hand sign.

When the Nazis were marching in Charlottesville waving their swastika flags, nobody assumed that they were actually Buddhist monks.
 
2019-03-16 09:15:13 PM  

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Damn, Richard Marx!
 
2019-03-16 09:15:28 PM  
goddamnit, now i get punched in the shoulder
 
2019-03-16 09:16:12 PM  

King Something: NeoCortex42: King Something: NeoCortex42: "Very fine people" didn't already say that?

Let me get this straight -- Trump once gave his tacit approval of Nazism by calling them "very fine people," so that somehow means all other uses of white supremacist symbols and language don't count as such? That's what you're trying to say?


You seem very keen to defend Nazis and their use of their special gang sign. Why is that?

No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time when actual words and actions speak loudly enough as it is.

If a white supremacist gives a white supremacist hand sign to announce that he or she is a white supremacist, it would not be wise to dismiss the sign as being more meaningless than a fart in a tornado simply because there exist non-Nazi uses of that hand sign.

When the Nazis were marching in Charlottesville waving their swastika flags, nobody assumed that they were actually Buddhist monks.


I kind of figured the shooting and manifesto suggested he was a white supremacist, but thank goodness he flashed a hand sign to make it certain.
 
2019-03-16 09:16:31 PM  

Mad_Radhu: [img.fark.net image 425x519]


no joke, Richard Marx twitter feed is amazing.
 
2019-03-16 09:16:45 PM  
In this case, of course, we already know he's a white supremacist and what he's signaling is "NO REMORSE".

More good reason to fry the asshole.
 
2019-03-16 09:17:00 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: NeoCortex42: optikeye: NeoCortex42: No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time

Oh FFS...symbols and hand signs mean something. From the peace sign to the 'black power sign' to taking a kneed.
WTF are you really trying to say .."STFU with you daring to even noticing White Power hand signs used by White house officials...because, hey...the admin is already racist? "...because that kinda sounds what your trying to say.

The peace sign is pretty much universally known. This white power sign is only amongst a relative minority of people. So seeing the sign on its own out of context means nothing. And if you already know the person is a Nazi, a hand sign isn't really adding any new info. Or is everybody that signs "ok" suddenly a nazi now?

It's not an OK symbol. It's different. What's wrong with you?


Seriously. At this point it's pretty much the same as holding up a swastika.
Your argument makes no sense NeoCortex.
 
2019-03-16 09:17:00 PM  

Xai: Isn't it kind of interesting that we're seeing here what happened 20 years ago with extremist muslims - the further the mainstream right moves, the further still subgroups move and out of those are bore terrorists. Kind of like an onion, each doesn't see the jump from their level to the next to be overly extreme and because they actively avoid contact with those outside their group it allows the extreme attitudes we see.

i.e. 
average American wouldn't see average republican as extreme.
average republican wouldn't see average hard-right (i.e. tucker Carlson) as extreme
average hard-right wouldn't see average 4channer as overly extreme
average 4channer wouldn't see /pol anon as overly extreme
average /pol anon wouldn't see actual terrorist as overly extreme.

It seems extremely similar to Islamic terrorism.


Most people on 4chan hate /pol... not that I would know about that or anything.
 
2019-03-16 09:18:37 PM  

Alwysadydrmr: Why is his face blurred?


In many countries, the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" extends to news media not identifying those arrested and accused of crimes.
 
2019-03-16 09:18:56 PM  

NeoCortex42: optikeye: NeoCortex42: No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time

Oh FFS...symbols and hand signs mean something. From the peace sign to the 'black power sign' to taking a kneed.
WTF are you really trying to say .."STFU with you daring to even noticing White Power hand signs used by White house officials...because, hey...the admin is already racist? "...because that kinda sounds what your trying to say.

The peace sign is pretty much universally known. This white power sign is only amongst a relative minority of people. So seeing the sign on its own out of context means nothing. And if you already know the person is a Nazi, a hand sign isn't really adding any new info. Or is everybody that signs "ok" suddenly a nazi now?


Fatuous claptrap.

This man just livestreamed his mass murder of dozens of innocent Muslims whilst publishing a manifesto that even a Klan member might think was a little over the top. Meanwhile, that "OK" symbol with its particular positioning is gaining currency and notoriety against alt-right fascists as their not-so-secret handshake. You don't even have to connect the dots, they're right on top of one another, and you're still wringing your hands trying to convince people here that it's an innocent "OK" symbol?

Good trolling should be at least somewhat believable. This is just pathetic on every level.
 
2019-03-16 09:20:15 PM  

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2019-03-16 09:20:20 PM  

Lipspinach: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: NeoCortex42: optikeye: NeoCortex42: No, what I'm saying is focusing on hand signs that may or may not mean something is a stupid waste of time

Oh FFS...symbols and hand signs mean something. From the peace sign to the 'black power sign' to taking a kneed.
WTF are you really trying to say .."STFU with you daring to even noticing White Power hand signs used by White house officials...because, hey...the admin is already racist? "...because that kinda sounds what your trying to say.

The peace sign is pretty much universally known. This white power sign is only amongst a relative minority of people. So seeing the sign on its own out of context means nothing. And if you already know the person is a Nazi, a hand sign isn't really adding any new info. Or is everybody that signs "ok" suddenly a nazi now?

It's not an OK symbol. It's different. What's wrong with you?

Seriously. At this point it's pretty much the same as holding up a swastika.
Your argument makes no sense NeoCortex.


Yes, look at this obvious pair of nazis
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2019-03-16 09:20:30 PM  
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2019-03-16 09:20:41 PM  

King Something: Let me get this straight -- Trump once gave his tacit approval of Nazism by calling them "very fine people,"


No, he really didn't:

TRUMP: I will tell you something. I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it. And you had, you had a group on one side that was bad. And you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group - you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent.

REPORTER: Do you think what you call the alt left is the same as neo-Nazis?

TRUMP: Those people - all of those people, excuse me - I've condemned neo-Nazis. I've condemned many different groups, but not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch.

REPORTER: Well, white nationalists -

TRUMP: Those people were also there, because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue Robert E. Lee. So - excuse me - and you take a look at some of the groups and you see, and you'd know it if you were honest reporters, which in many cases you're not. Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So this week, it's Robert E. Lee, I noticed that Stonewall Jackson's coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after. You know, you really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?

--

Since you obviously don't know this, you should know that the people he was talking about were the local historical preservationists, people who lived in the area and who didn't want the statues taken down for plain old historical reasons.

What did happen was that the press jumped on the chance to make up a story, and did so by not including the important parts, so people like you would lose your minds over that fake story.
 
2019-03-16 09:22:27 PM  
When will moderate Nazis disavow and condemn this terrorist's actions?
 
2019-03-16 09:22:37 PM  

NeoCortex42: Meh. It's a hand sign that white supremacists think is funny to use. Doesn't mean everyone that does it is a white supremacist. Context matters.


Yeah, sure.  And some people wear swastikas ironically!

Christ, what an asshole.
 
2019-03-16 09:22:54 PM  

AirForceVet: I don't believe New Zealsnd has the death penalty.

Shame, as this asshat richly deserves the death penalty.


I would want to sagely quote that part of the book where Gandalf tells Frodo that bit about not being so eager to deal out death in judgment, but then I stepped back and said, yeah, this one guy might just be an exception.
 
2019-03-16 09:23:23 PM  
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