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(Marketwatch)   Study of standing desks shows the only thing they make thinner is your wallet   (marketwatch.com) divider line
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
5 days ago  
It keeps my legs from getting stiff.
 
5 days ago  
Fat farks are going to keep eating and not moving. Having to stand up all day isn't going to change anything.
 
5 days ago  
You can have my standing desk when you take it away from me faster than I can run after you.

Which is pretty fast, considering that you're carrying a heavy assed standing desk.
 
5 days ago  

ZAZ: It keeps my legs from getting stiff.


Because all the porn is on your other computer.
 
4 days ago  
Was it supposed to help weight loss? Really?  How?  Is gravity stronger if my blubber is further from the floor?

I just always understood it helped with back problems.
 
4 days ago  

wejash: I just always understood it helped with back problems.


That was my understanding as it permitted workers to change positions to work the back and legs so there are no muscular or nerve problems caused by sitting all day.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  
every hour standing at your desk is roughly equivalent to one hour standing in a gym
 
4 days ago  

ZAZ: It keeps my legs from getting stiff.


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4 days ago  
I mean, I guess you could put a treadmill in front of a standing desk, but it's pretty obvious that merely standing up all day isn't going to make you lose weight.  Just think about every obese cashier you've seen while checking out from a store or restaurant.  Those people stand for their entire shift.

I think it's about not sitting down for 8 to 12 hours a day.  It gets uncomfortable after a while.  Just think about your last road trip, as comfortable as car seats are these days I'm still willing to bet that you got out and stretched your legs at some point.

Adjustable desks make sense, sometimes you want to stand, and sometimes you want to sit.
 
4 days ago  

wejash: Was it supposed to help weight loss? Really?  How?  Is gravity stronger if my blubber is further from the floor?

I just always understood it helped with back problems.


Lol you never worked on a factory line.
 
4 days ago  
"Sitting is the new smoking" is a tagline, not medical advice.

...and if it is, then Standing is the new Vaping: alleged to be "better" for you with no actual data to back it up.
 
4 days ago  

electricjebus: I mean, I guess you could put a treadmill in front of a standing desk, but it's pretty obvious that merely standing up all day isn't going to make you lose weight.  Just think about every obese cashier you've seen while checking out from a store or restaurant.  Those people stand for their entire shift.

I think it's about not sitting down for 8 to 12 hours a day.  It gets uncomfortable after a while.  Just think about your last road trip, as comfortable as car seats are these days I'm still willing to bet that you got out and stretched your legs at some point.

Adjustable desks make sense, sometimes you want to stand, and sometimes you want to sit.


Getting up and stretching every hour or so is a lot easier than trying to use a foot-pedal control while standing.
 
4 days ago  

drjekel_mrhyde: wejash: Was it supposed to help weight loss? Really?  How?  Is gravity stronger if my blubber is further from the floor?

I just always understood it helped with back problems.

Lol you never worked on a factory line.


You sound like you're young.  I've done manual labor most of my adult life and currently work at a factory.  So long as you lift things properly *with you legs, not your back* you're not going to fark your back up too much.

Sitting all day however... it doesn't exactly hurt, but your back starts getting stiff.  Which makes you prone to injury.
 
4 days ago  

common sense is an oxymoron: electricjebus: I mean, I guess you could put a treadmill in front of a standing desk, but it's pretty obvious that merely standing up all day isn't going to make you lose weight.  Just think about every obese cashier you've seen while checking out from a store or restaurant.  Those people stand for their entire shift.

I think it's about not sitting down for 8 to 12 hours a day.  It gets uncomfortable after a while.  Just think about your last road trip, as comfortable as car seats are these days I'm still willing to bet that you got out and stretched your legs at some point.

Adjustable desks make sense, sometimes you want to stand, and sometimes you want to sit.

Getting up and stretching every hour or so is a lot easier than trying to use a foot-pedal control while standing.


As a drummer, I have to agree.
 
4 days ago  

electricjebus: drjekel_mrhyde: wejash: Was it supposed to help weight loss? Really?  How?  Is gravity stronger if my blubber is further from the floor?

I just always understood it helped with back problems.

Lol you never worked on a factory line.

You sound like you're young.  I've done manual labor most of my adult life and currently work at a factory.  So long as you lift things properly *with you legs, not your back* you're not going to fark your back up too much.

Sitting all day however... it doesn't exactly hurt, but your back starts getting stiff.  Which makes you prone to injury.


I said a factory line. You stand in one spot all day. They even give you mats and other standing things TO HELP your back.
 
4 days ago  
Some of the people at work have them.  One colleague says the standing desk helps him deal better with his sciatica.
 
4 days ago  

drjekel_mrhyde: electricjebus: drjekel_mrhyde: wejash: Was it supposed to help weight loss? Really?  How?  Is gravity stronger if my blubber is further from the floor?

I just always understood it helped with back problems.

Lol you never worked on a factory line.

You sound like you're young.  I've done manual labor most of my adult life and currently work at a factory.  So long as you lift things properly *with you legs, not your back* you're not going to fark your back up too much.

Sitting all day however... it doesn't exactly hurt, but your back starts getting stiff.  Which makes you prone to injury.

I said a factory line. You stand in one spot all day. They even give you mats and other standing things TO HELP your back.


Yeah, the only one of those we got at my factory that gives me any problems was laid out for a woman roughly half my height.  I mean literally, they brought her out there when they were setting the conveyors up and made sure she could do her job.  If we're standing face to face and looking forward I wouldn't even see her and she'd be staring at my belly button.

The problem with sitting down all day is indirect.  Your spine gets stiff, if you're not limber it doesn't take much to throw out your back... again, unless you're a younger person.
 
4 days ago  
I've installed hundreds of adjustable height desks and these articles always miss the two most important benefits.

1. Fixed height desks are at the perfect height for almost no one. Your perfect sitting height might be less than an inch up or down from the standard height but the comfort and ease that comes from that minor tweak can be huge.

2. There is a psychological benefit that comes from being in control. A fixed height desk makes the decision for the user, an adjustable height desk lets the user decide. Fixed height desks are authoritarian, adjustable height desks are egalitarian.
 
4 days ago  
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4 days ago  

cloudofdust: I've installed hundreds of adjustable height desks and these articles always miss the two most important benefits.

1. Fixed height desks are at the perfect height for almost no one. Your perfect sitting height might be less than an inch up or down from the standard height but the comfort and ease that comes from that minor tweak can be huge.

2. There is a psychological benefit that comes from being in control. A fixed height desk makes the decision for the user, an adjustable height desk lets the user decide. Fixed height desks are authoritarian, adjustable height desks are egalitarian.


Do you think people who buy those god forsaken half height cubes for "increased collaboration" are going to pay the extra money for adjustable height desks?

... especially since adjustable height desks would require full height cubes?
 
4 days ago  
That's not true subby! They also make the cartilage in your knees and ankles thinner.
 
4 days ago  

wejash: Was it supposed to help weight loss? Really?  How?  Is gravity stronger if my blubber is further from the floor?

I just always understood it helped with back problems.


I mean, you do understand that it requires more energy to stand than sit, right?

Evidently, according to the headline of tfa I haven't read, it doesn't overcome fatties being fat. But neither would a forced one mile daily march at work. Some people would just drink an extra soda pop. Those who wished to lose weight anyway would probably walk one less mile at home.

I hit the gym at work sometimes. A two hour workout at the office gym doesn't help me lose weight that day; it saves me two hours of working out after work.
 
4 days ago  

trialpha: cloudofdust: I've installed hundreds of adjustable height desks and these articles always miss the two most important benefits.

1. Fixed height desks are at the perfect height for almost no one. Your perfect sitting height might be less than an inch up or down from the standard height but the comfort and ease that comes from that minor tweak can be huge.

2. There is a psychological benefit that comes from being in control. A fixed height desk makes the decision for the user, an adjustable height desk lets the user decide. Fixed height desks are authoritarian, adjustable height desks are egalitarian.

Do you think people who buy those god forsaken half height cubes for "increased collaboration" are going to pay the extra money for adjustable height desks?

... especially since adjustable height desks would require full height cubes?


My company has done exactly that. Once you factor in ergonomic assessments, ergonomic accessories, and ergonomic-related worker's comp and disability claims, there's a cost savings.

And they don't require full height cubes. The desk tops out at the height of the panel. Those low panels don't provide any real privacy even at sitting height, people's computer monitors do that job.
 
4 days ago  

cloudofdust: My company has done exactly that. Once you factor in ergonomic assessments, ergonomic accessories, and ergonomic-related worker's comp and disability claims, there's a cost savings.

And they don't require full height cubes. The desk tops out at the height of the panel. Those low panels don't provide any real privacy even at sitting height, people's computer monitors do that job.


There's a cost savings to full height cubes as well; increased worker productivity. But they buy the damn half height cubes anyway because they're cheaper, and make up nonsense excuses to cover that up. They're not going to buy more expensive adjustable height cubes, even if there is a long term benefit.

I can't even imagine the hell of adjustable half height cubes. Some people sitting down, others standing and towering over them. Ugh.
 
4 days ago  
Ok, so who tried to make any claims that a sit/stand desk had anything to do with weight loss?

It does not, it is entirely about a work station that has the user NOT just be in one static position for extend periods of time.
For some people with specific medical circulation problems, it can also be an important aspect of a good working situation for anyone that has to jockey a desk for 6+ hours a day.

A sit/stand desk IS NOT a weight loss relate anything, the creation of the sit/stand desk was in no way motivated by concepts of a weight loss aid. This is some serious asshat pants on head dumbshiat to suggest it. Though I can clearly see that anyone selling sit/stand desks for profit probably don't give a fook about telling lies as long as it helps move desks.
 
4 days ago  
I have never counted 'weight loss' as a reason to get a standing desk.
I've had one 3 years. It saved my life after a back injury and I've never stopped using it. I sit for 90 minutes every afternoon but stand at all other times.
Improperly used a standing desk can fark you up worse than sitting.
 
4 days ago  

Optimus Primate: I have never counted 'weight loss' as a reason to get a standing desk.
I've had one 3 years. It saved my life after a back injury and I've never stopped using it. I sit for 90 minutes every afternoon but stand at all other times.
Improperly used a standing desk can fark you up worse than sitting.


Had to install an adjustable for a coworker of mine who's in the same boat.  Back injury, sitting for long periods makes it worse, so she stands the entire day at her desk.  Want even her idea to get the thing, was mine.
 
4 days ago  
I also have never heard it touted as helping with weight loss, just healthier than sitting all day.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
4 days ago  
This news reminds me of the study a couple years ago revealing that organic food did not have more nutrients than inorganic food.
 
4 days ago  
I need it to keep my ass from falling asleep. Not sure how I'm going to survive the flight to Taiwan later this year.
 
4 days ago  
What's with all the hate? So some of these claims are spurious at best. Some people just enjoy standing a portion of the day. If it gives no greater benefit than that, I would say it is enough. No need to justify it beyond that. I swear that for everything of marginal benefit we have extemely entrenched gangs of opinion who insist that everyone should join their faction. Live and let live, people. Please on this type of issue adopt trained apathy towards it.

You know what is a concrete benefit? not falling alseep at your desk.
 
4 days ago  

Nick Nostril: I need it to keep my ass from falling asleep. Not sure how I'm going to survive the flight to Taiwan later this year.


Seriously? I have never had my ass fall asleep, didn't know it was a thing.
 
4 days ago  

Diego Dominguez: What's with all the hate? So some of these claims are spurious at best. Some people just enjoy standing a portion of the day. If it gives no greater benefit than that, I would say it is enough. No need to justify it beyond that. I swear that for everything of marginal benefit we have extemely entrenched gangs of opinion who insist that everyone should join their faction. Live and let live, people. Please on this type of issue adopt trained apathy towards it.

You know what is a concrete benefit? not falling alseep at your desk.


Because companies were encouraged to shell out exorbitant amounts of money for adjustable standing desks, at hundreds or even thousands of dollars per employee, and they were obliged to do so in part because HR organizations were convinced that they would, eventually, make the money back through increased productivity and decreased health insurance clams.

The hate is there because it was a fraud. There's a big difference between "some folks prefer to work standing up" and "many folks should be encouraged to work standing up to save the company money" - the former is a perk or an expense that the employee should likely cover, while the latter is a benefit and an expense that the company should likely cover. These things were pushed as the latter, but exploited as the former, and companies are now having to re-evaluate the expense as a perk even as other employees clamor for the benefit.
 
4 days ago  

FormlessOne: Diego Dominguez: What's with all the hate? So some of these claims are spurious at best. Some people just enjoy standing a portion of the day. If it gives no greater benefit than that, I would say it is enough. No need to justify it beyond that. I swear that for everything of marginal benefit we have extemely entrenched gangs of opinion who insist that everyone should join their faction. Live and let live, people. Please on this type of issue adopt trained apathy towards it.

You know what is a concrete benefit? not falling alseep at your desk.

Because companies were encouraged to shell out exorbitant amounts of money for adjustable standing desks, at hundreds or even thousands of dollars per employee, and they were obliged to do so in part because HR organizations were convinced that they would, eventually, make the money back through increased productivity and decreased health insurance clams.

The hate is there because it was a fraud. There's a big difference between "some folks prefer to work standing up" and "many folks should be encouraged to work standing up to save the company money" - the former is a perk or an expense that the employee should likely cover, while the latter is a benefit and an expense that the company should likely cover. These things were pushed as the latter, but exploited as the former, and companies are now having to re-evaluate the expense as a perk even as other employees clamor for the benefit.


Pretty much sums up my HR dept and why, as of last year, we all have adjustable, standing desks.

Oh, and 6 years ago we spent about $1.5m  blowing out offices and walls to create an open and more "collaborative" work environment. Except HR kept their offices for, you know, private conversations. Fast forward 5 years and the open floor plan has been abandoned and everyone has been moved back into offices on another part of campus.
 
4 days ago  
Also on MarketWatch - "Why aren't standing desks making the coffee taste better?"
 
4 days ago  
As someone with the luxury of getting up and walking about the office when ass fatigue sets in, I can see the appeal. As someone who comes into the office with leg fatigue from jogging to said office, I can also see the appeal of sitting my ass down.

So... buy desks that have enough range to do both? If you want to make workplace QoL improvements, good, but there's no need to make a religion out of it.
 
4 days ago  

Marcus Aurelius: You can have my standing desk when you take it away from me faster than I can run after you.

Which is pretty fast, considering that you're carrying a heavy assed standing desk.


Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile away, and you'll have their shoes.

- Jack Handy

I don't have a standing desk to lose weight. I have a standing desk because I like sitting on a tall hard stool. Sitting in a chair all day makes my back hurt.
 
4 days ago  
The article itself is really telling of the way business are run.  Standings desks are great because they make the workers happy, but fark that because they aren't significantly more productive.  FTA for anyone who didn't bother to read:
And standing desks were the most effective at making workers more comfortable; many subjects self-reported having less lower-back pain. There were slight improvements in users' blood pressure, as well.
But overall, the desks weren't making workers healthier or more productive in significant ways.
 
4 days ago  

RogermcAllen: The article itself is really telling of the way business are run.  Standings desks are great because they make the workers happy, but fark that because they aren't significantly more productive.  FTA for anyone who didn't bother to read:
And standing desks were the most effective at making workers more comfortable; many subjects self-reported having less lower-back pain. There were slight improvements in users' blood pressure, as well.
But overall, the desks weren't making workers healthier or more productive in significant ways.


That's kind of the point, though.

The desks were touted as making workers healthier and more productive in significant ways, which is how employers were conned into buying them. They were pushed as beneficial, which is why companies hired "ergonomic experts" who would come in, watch you work, then announce that you clearly needed either an expensive ergonomic chair or an expensive standing desk (usually with an exercise ball as an optional "seat"), and then the company would shell out thousands.

Companies agreed because the employees who received such perks seemed happier, which became anecdotal "performance improvements" - until measured, that is, at which point employers were stuck in a catch-22 - it was, indeed, just an expensive perk that employees could request at any time, which showed no real benefit to the employer (or to the employee - most of the "self-reported improvements" are anecdotal) but it was also an expensive perk that could cause a good deal of antipathy among other employees should the employer stop providing them upon request ("that's not fair - Bob got one, and my back's killing me...") Indeed, folks have said that the only "fair" way to resolve this is to buy adjustable standing desks for everyone - a rather expensive proposition with dubious benefits.
 
3 days ago  

FormlessOne: RogermcAllen: The article itself is really telling of the way business are run.  Standings desks are great because they make the workers happy, but fark that because they aren't significantly more productive.  FTA for anyone who didn't bother to read:
And standing desks were the most effective at making workers more comfortable; many subjects self-reported having less lower-back pain. There were slight improvements in users' blood pressure, as well.
But overall, the desks weren't making workers healthier or more productive in significant ways.

That's kind of the point, though.

The desks were touted as making workers healthier and more productive in significant ways, which is how employers were conned into buying them. They were pushed as beneficial, which is why companies hired "ergonomic experts" who would come in, watch you work, then announce that you clearly needed either an expensive ergonomic chair or an expensive standing desk (usually with an exercise ball as an optional "seat"), and then the company would shell out thousands.

Companies agreed because the employees who received such perks seemed happier, which became anecdotal "performance improvements" - until measured, that is, at which point employers were stuck in a catch-22 - it was, indeed, just an expensive perk that employees could request at any time, which showed no real benefit to the employer (or to the employee - most of the "self-reported improvements" are anecdotal) but it was also an expensive perk that could cause a good deal of antipathy among other employees should the employer stop providing them upon request ("that's not fair - Bob got one, and my back's killing me...") Indeed, folks have said that the only "fair" way to resolve this is to buy adjustable standing desks for everyone - a rather expensive proposition with dubious benefits.


Correct, the point is that employee happiness and comfort are not priorities.  I wonder if they measured turnover, which can be a huge productivity loss that many cost cutting measures fail to take into account

That said, I fully agree that people asking for thousands of dollars of shiat that they don't really need is out of control.  Where I work they rolled it out pretty well.  I think 50 people requested standing desks, so management brought in 3 different models for a few weeks and gave out surveys to determine which model was best.  Only 15 people participated, and in the end only 5 people actually liked the standing desk and requested one.  The company distributed the 3 model desks to the people with inside connections and the other two people have since quit.  The remaining 3 people really are happy with their standing desks and everyone else has STFU about asking for one.
 
3 days ago  
Mine keeps my plantar fasciitis away.
 
3 days ago  
I have plantar fasciitis, a herniated L5-S1, and currently a torn gluteus medius. I'm also a long distance runner. I LOVE my adjustable sit/stand desk and it has zero to do with weight loss. I've experienced far less pain in all of my problem areas since I got it.
 
3 days ago  
A couple of the women in finance have the bike petal things, When ever I go down to assist I have to crank them to 11 and it pisses them off.
 
3 days ago  
Bosses would rather have you sit at your desk, how else are they going to stand over your shoulder and watch you work?
 
3 days ago  

pushthelimits: I have plantar fasciitis, a herniated L5-S1, and currently a torn gluteus medius. I'm also a long distance runner. I LOVE my adjustable sit/stand desk and it has zero to do with weight loss. I've experienced far less pain in all of my problem areas since I got it.


i had ruptured l5,i was a symptomatic until i wasn't.  the only place i would have been not in pain was in a zero gravity situation.  i had 3 epidural steroid injections over a 3 year period. 1st time worked and lasted for about a year and half,the other two did not go well at all.  i ended having the microdisectomy and laminectomy surgery and thankfully it worked.  anyhow i hope you stay pain free for as long as possible.
 
3 days ago  

trialpha: Do you think people who buy those god forsaken half height cubes for "increased collaboration" are going to pay the extra money for adjustable height desks?


Yes. This is precisely what the employee hating facility assholes at my work just did.   They removed every vestige of privacy and ability to have work tools, and are showing videos on every TV of how to adjust the height of your new work table.
 
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