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(Yahoo)   Generalísimo Francisco Franco (still dead) to be exhumed in June and reburied on a plain in Spain   (sg.news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2019-03-15 12:48:05 PM  
It'll rain.
 
2019-03-15 12:56:19 PM  
They're going to feel real dumb if he's alive in there.
 
2019-03-15 02:22:27 PM  
Always loved the word Generalisimo.
 
2019-03-15 02:24:25 PM  
It's plane dumbass subby....
 
2019-03-15 02:24:54 PM  

wearetheworld: Always loved the word Generalisimo.


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2019-03-15 02:25:12 PM  
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Thanks, Chevy.
 
2019-03-15 02:25:32 PM  
One of the great joys in my short-lived career doing a geek-culture podcast, was getting to interview Sergio Aragones a couple times. He'd talk about more than just his art and Groo. When the subject of Franco came up, he just shrugged, smiled, and said "I'm alive and he is still dead. Things are right with the world."
 
2019-03-15 02:30:21 PM  

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Thanks, Chevy.


When SNL was funny.
 
2019-03-15 02:30:52 PM  
Franco is currently buried in a huge hillside mausoleum belonging to the Catholic Church

Because of his very fine Christian values.

...The first decade of Franco's rule following the end of the Civil War in 1939 saw continued oppression and the killing of an undetermined number of political opponents. Estimation is difficult and controversial, but the total number of people who were killed during this period probably lies somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000..."

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2019-03-15 02:31:37 PM  
" Generalísimo Francisco Franco (still dead) "

Thanks for that, for a minute I thought he got better.
 
2019-03-15 02:36:47 PM  
The cranes in Spain dig mainly on the plain .
 
2019-03-15 02:37:23 PM  
Will the bells ring?
 
2019-03-15 02:38:21 PM  
Put him in a landfill with the other rotting garbage.
 
2019-03-15 02:43:50 PM  
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2019-03-15 02:46:03 PM  
And...in other news...James Gunn WILL be directing "Guardians of the Galaxy III" after all (once he's finished with DC's "Suicide Squad II".)


https://deadline.com/2019/03/james-gun​n-reinstated-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3​-disney-suicide-squad-2-indefensible-s​ocial-media-messages-1202576444/
 
2019-03-15 02:46:11 PM  
Loved his SpaghettiOs.

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2019-03-15 02:48:17 PM  
I can't complain.
 
2019-03-15 02:51:15 PM  
"When you attack Franco, you attack my family, over half of Spain, the monarchy and the Church which protected him," Franco's great-grandson Luis Alfonso de Borbon said in an interview..."

Because the catholic church (a morally upright organization also known to protect child molesters), who collaborated with the Spanish Monarchy a while back on a little project called The Inquisition, is a wonderful example of Franco's choice of "friends."

Fella, you're lucky your forbears weren't rounded up and shot. Their critics, or supposed critics, or whatever poor schlub who happened to be nearby when an "example" needed to be made, weren't so lucky. Not sure who you're trying to convince that your wretched, murdering dictator great grandfather father was anything more than one of 20th Century Humanity's worst of the worst.

In short, STFU, you facist turd streak.
 
2019-03-15 02:54:56 PM  

LewDux: Will the bells ring?


No, they will toll.
 
2019-03-15 02:57:50 PM  

jaytkay: Franco is currently buried in a huge hillside mausoleum belonging to the Catholic Church

Because of his very fine Christian values.

...The first decade of Franco's rule following the end of the Civil War in 1939 saw continued oppression and the killing of an undetermined number of political opponents. Estimation is difficult and controversial, but the total number of people who were killed during this period probably lies somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000..."

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The one thing about Franco that one has to respect about Franco, if nothing else, is he is one of the few people who scammed Hitler.  He got Hitler to support him in the civil war but afterwards, not much else.   Spain sent some troops to help Hitler with the Eastern Front and that's really about it.  Maybe some logistics in terms of letting the Kreigsmarine supply in Spain. Hitler was not at all happy about the lack of military support.  And probably most galling is the fact that Franco for the most part didn't go along with Hitler's policy toward Jews.  AFAIK he simply didn't hand them over to the Germans - although apparently there is some info that he may have changed policy had the Germans won and started pressuring him to act more in compliance with other Axis allies and territories.
 
2019-03-15 03:00:48 PM  
"When you attack Franco, you attack my family, over half of Spain, the monarchy and the Church which protected him," Franco's great-grandson Luis Alfonso de Borbon said in an interview..."

Yes, and?
 
2019-03-15 03:04:36 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Maybe some logistics in terms of letting the Kreigsmarine supply in Spain.


He let the allies do some of that, too.

Franco was like a smarter Mussolini.
 
2019-03-15 03:07:55 PM  

This text is now purple: SirEattonHogg: Maybe some logistics in terms of letting the Kreigsmarine supply in Spain.

He let the allies do some of that, too.

Franco was like a smarter Mussolini.


Yeah, agreed.  He was a man who knew his limitations AND could pick the side that was gonna win, unlike Ill Duce.  Otherwise, we'd be all joking about the Spanish military in WW2.
 
2019-03-15 03:15:27 PM  

SirEattonHogg: jaytkay: Franco is currently buried in a huge hillside mausoleum belonging to the Catholic Church

Because of his very fine Christian values.

...The first decade of Franco's rule following the end of the Civil War in 1939 saw continued oppression and the killing of an undetermined number of political opponents. Estimation is difficult and controversial, but the total number of people who were killed during this period probably lies somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000..."

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The one thing about Franco that one has to respect about Franco, if nothing else, is he is one of the few people who scammed Hitler.  He got Hitler to support him in the civil war but afterwards, not much else.   Spain sent some troops to help Hitler with the Eastern Front and that's really about it.  Maybe some logistics in terms of letting the Kreigsmarine supply in Spain. Hitler was not at all happy about the lack of military support.  And probably most galling is the fact that Franco for the most part didn't go along with Hitler's policy toward Jews.  AFAIK he simply didn't hand them over to the Germans - although apparently there is some info that he may have changed policy had the Germans won and started pressuring him to act more in compliance with other Axis allies and territories.


The only thing about Franco and the regime in post WW2 Greece is, well, the immediate alternative was likely communists taking over. The philosophies and Cold War leanings might have been different, but they wouldn't have been any more humane to the populace.

/even Tito, who got along with the East and West, had some serious human rights issues in Yugoslavia
//anyone run a WW2 simulator or alternate history where Spain had fallen to communist forces before the Poland invasion? Curious if Hitler would've tested a naval invasion on the shores of Barcelona to see if the Wehrmacht could pull off such an operation against the British, plus advancing to Gibraltar would be the main goal.
 
2019-03-15 03:28:17 PM  

born_yesterday: Put him in a landfill with the other rotting garbage.


Hire the Luftwaffe to fly him back to Morocco and dump him in the desert.
 
2019-03-15 03:30:22 PM  

Practical_Draconian: /even Tito, who got along with the East and West, had some serious human rights issues in Yugoslavia


Tito was like the mirror of Franco.
\\He told off Stalin the way Franco told off Hitler.
 
2019-03-15 03:31:34 PM  

Practical_Draconian: SirEattonHogg: jaytkay: Franco is currently buried in a huge hillside mausoleum belonging to the Catholic Church

Because of his very fine Christian values.

...The first decade of Franco's rule following the end of the Civil War in 1939 saw continued oppression and the killing of an undetermined number of political opponents. Estimation is difficult and controversial, but the total number of people who were killed during this period probably lies somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000..."

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The one thing about Franco that one has to respect about Franco, if nothing else, is he is one of the few people who scammed Hitler.  He got Hitler to support him in the civil war but afterwards, not much else.   Spain sent some troops to help Hitler with the Eastern Front and that's really about it.  Maybe some logistics in terms of letting the Kreigsmarine supply in Spain. Hitler was not at all happy about the lack of military support.  And probably most galling is the fact that Franco for the most part didn't go along with Hitler's policy toward Jews.  AFAIK he simply didn't hand them over to the Germans - although apparently there is some info that he may have changed policy had the Germans won and started pressuring him to act more in compliance with other Axis allies and territories.

The only thing about Franco and the regime in post WW2 Greece is, well, the immediate alternative was likely communists taking over. The philosophies and Cold War leanings might have been different, but they wouldn't have been any more humane to the populace.

/even Tito, who got along with the East and West, had some serious human rights issues in Yugoslavia
//anyone run a WW2 simulator or alternate history where Spain had fallen to communist forces before the Poland invasion? Curious if Hitler would've tested a naval invasion on the shores of Barcelona to see if the Wehrmacht could pull off such an operation against the British, plus advancing to Gibraltar would be t ...


If only there was a way to help non-communist opposition to Franco
 
2019-03-15 03:32:47 PM  

Practical_Draconian: //anyone run a WW2 simulator or alternate history where Spain had fallen to communist forces before the Poland invasion? Curious if Hitler would've tested a naval invasion on the shores of Barcelona to see if the Wehrmacht could pull off such an operation against the British, plus advancing to Gibraltar would be the main goal.


You could do it in Hearts of Iron.

That has an into play-through which is the Spanish Civil War.

I suspect he would have continued through France overland into Spain. Whether he pushed into Gibraltar would have depended on Britain's attitude towards a war with Spain. Churchill hated Stalin almost as much as he hated Hitler.
 
2019-03-15 03:34:56 PM  
I'm sure there are more than a few people who would love to piss on his grave.
 
2019-03-15 03:38:26 PM  

beezeltown: "When you attack Franco, you attack my family, over half of Spain, the monarchy and the Church which protected him," Franco's great-grandson Luis Alfonso de Borbon said in an interview..."

Because the catholic church (a morally upright organization also known to protect child molesters), who collaborated with the Spanish Monarchy a while back on a little project called The Inquisition, is a wonderful example of Franco's choice of "friends."

Fella, you're lucky your forbears weren't rounded up and shot. Their critics, or supposed critics, or whatever poor schlub who happened to be nearby when an "example" needed to be made, weren't so lucky. Not sure who you're trying to convince that your wretched, murdering dictator great grandfather father was anything more than one of 20th Century Humanity's worst of the worst.

In short, STFU, you facist turd streak.


The Catholic Church absolutely deserves a ton of blame for the horrible actions they took part in during Franco's regime.

The Monarchy, though, is a different story. Juan Carlos publicly supported Franco's ideals (while privately working against him) right up until Franco was dead and Juan Carlos had secured the government. At which point he pretty much immediately instituted a policy of democratization.
 
2019-03-15 03:38:36 PM  
'ere, 'e says 'es not dead.
 
2019-03-15 03:44:28 PM  
To repeat for those hard of hearing:
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GENERALISIMO FRANCISCO FRANCO (STILL DEAD) TO BE EXHUMED IN JUNE AND REBURIED ON A PLAIN IN SPAIN
 
2019-03-15 03:51:34 PM  

LewDux: If only there was a way to help non-communist opposition to Franco


After early 1936, where was no longer a realistic hope for a moderate outcome. All that was left was various extremist factions.
 
2019-03-15 03:55:38 PM  

This text is now purple: Practical_Draconian: //anyone run a WW2 simulator or alternate history where Spain had fallen to communist forces before the Poland invasion? Curious if Hitler would've tested a naval invasion on the shores of Barcelona to see if the Wehrmacht could pull off such an operation against the British, plus advancing to Gibraltar would be the main goal.

You could do it in Hearts of Iron.

That has an into play-through which is the Spanish Civil War.

I suspect he would have continued through France overland into Spain. Whether he pushed into Gibraltar would have depended on Britain's attitude towards a war with Spain. Churchill hated Stalin almost as much as he hated Hitler.


Overland between France and Spain is the Pyrenees mountains. That's why I put down Axis naval attack on Barcelona as the other option.
 
2019-03-15 04:07:02 PM  
"When you attack Franco, you attack my family, over half of Spain, the monarchy and the Church which protected him. MEGA! Azaña's telegrams! No collusion!" Franco's great-grandson Luis Alfonso de Borbon said.
 
2019-03-15 04:23:46 PM  
Sprinkle his ashes at the Nazi concentration camp where the International Brigades were slaughtered.

In the middle of the night. By one of the volunteers descendants. No lights, no camera, just the ashes of a fascist.
 
2019-03-15 04:24:19 PM  

Practical_Draconian: This text is now purple: Practical_Draconian: //anyone run a WW2 simulator or alternate history where Spain had fallen to communist forces before the Poland invasion? Curious if Hitler would've tested a naval invasion on the shores of Barcelona to see if the Wehrmacht could pull off such an operation against the British, plus advancing to Gibraltar would be the main goal.

You could do it in Hearts of Iron.

That has an into play-through which is the Spanish Civil War.

I suspect he would have continued through France overland into Spain. Whether he pushed into Gibraltar would have depended on Britain's attitude towards a war with Spain. Churchill hated Stalin almost as much as he hated Hitler.

Overland between France and Spain is the Pyrenees mountains. That's why I put down Axis naval attack on Barcelona as the other option.


We think of landings as being a feasible option today, but in the late 1930s, the last experience with contested naval landings was at Gallipoli, where the Ottomans threw the vaunted British Navy back into the Med. That so traumatized Churchill he delayed Normandy until 1944. Hitler's navy wasn't as good at that, and they didn't have nearly enough landing craft for it.

Germany would have gone along the coast, like Italy used to get into southern France. Go through the gap into Figueres and then into Barcelona.

They got through Belgium by running the passes. Air superiority lets you do that.
 
2019-03-15 04:26:32 PM  

Practical_Draconian: This text is now purple: Practical_Draconian: //anyone run a WW2 simulator or alternate history where Spain had fallen to communist forces before the Poland invasion? Curious if Hitler would've tested a naval invasion on the shores of Barcelona to see if the Wehrmacht could pull off such an operation against the British, plus advancing to Gibraltar would be the main goal.

You could do it in Hearts of Iron.

That has an into play-through which is the Spanish Civil War.

I suspect he would have continued through France overland into Spain. Whether he pushed into Gibraltar would have depended on Britain's attitude towards a war with Spain. Churchill hated Stalin almost as much as he hated Hitler.

Overland between France and Spain is the Pyrenees mountains. That's why I put down Axis naval attack on Barcelona as the other option.


You'd have to get rid of Admiral Canaris first. Apparently Hitler wanted to invade Spain but Canaris talked him out of it. He died naked, while being hanged by piano wire, cut down, revived and strung up again repeatedly.
 
2019-03-15 04:40:07 PM  

This text is now purple: LewDux: If only there was a way to help non-communist opposition to Franco

After early 1936, where was no longer a realistic hope for a moderate outcome.

Not with that atttitude
 
2019-03-15 04:43:58 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Practical_Draconian: This text is now purple: Practical_Draconian: //anyone run a WW2 simulator or alternate history where Spain had fallen to communist forces before the Poland invasion? Curious if Hitler would've tested a naval invasion on the shores of Barcelona to see if the Wehrmacht could pull off such an operation against the British, plus advancing to Gibraltar would be the main goal.

You could do it in Hearts of Iron.

That has an into play-through which is the Spanish Civil War.

I suspect he would have continued through France overland into Spain. Whether he pushed into Gibraltar would have depended on Britain's attitude towards a war with Spain. Churchill hated Stalin almost as much as he hated Hitler.

Overland between France and Spain is the Pyrenees mountains. That's why I put down Axis naval attack on Barcelona as the other option.

You'd have to get rid of Admiral Canaris first. Apparently Hitler wanted to invade Spain but Canaris talked him out of it. He died naked, while being hanged by piano wire, cut down, revived and strung up again repeatedly.


If Peain is Communist everything changes. While Franco may have been an unreliable friend of the Nazis, he was a friend of the Nazis and there was no threat from that direction.

If Spain was aligned with the Soviet Union, it is a threat to Germany, a hostile land border and in position to help his enemies dominate the Wester Mediterranean. Can you launch Barbarossa with that threat in the West?
 
2019-03-15 05:05:13 PM  

LewDux: This text is now purple: LewDux: If only there was a way to help non-communist opposition to Franco

After early 1936, where was no longer a realistic hope for a moderate outcome.
Not with that atttitude


1933 to 1935 had seen successive governments to one side or the other pardon the atrocities committed by their side under the prior administration. Then there began waves of assassinations of party members on both sides, often by the police or military.

By 1936, the only middle-roaders left were the Basques, who were caught between left-leaning economic / anti-monarchical beliefs (they liked land-reform and republicanism) and right-leaning political beliefs (they were Catholics). The Basques, mind you, are mostly known for not wanting to be Spanish at all. These were what was left of the moderates by 1936. They fought on both sides. Neither Hitler nor Stalin had any use for them after the war.

The outcome of the Spanish Civil War was going to be a politically-correct cleansing. All that was left to be determined was which side was going to be running it.
 
2019-03-15 05:23:38 PM  
"When you attack Franco, you attack my family, over half of Spain, the monarchy and the Church which protected him," Franco's great-grandson Luis Alfonso de Borbon said in an interview..."

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2019-03-15 05:28:53 PM  

SirEattonHogg: jaytkay: Franco is currently buried in a huge hillside mausoleum belonging to the Catholic Church

Because of his very fine Christian values.

...The first decade of Franco's rule following the end of the Civil War in 1939 saw continued oppression and the killing of an undetermined number of political opponents. Estimation is difficult and controversial, but the total number of people who were killed during this period probably lies somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000..."

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The one thing about Franco that one has to respect about Franco, if nothing else, is he is one of the few people who scammed Hitler.  He got Hitler to support him in the civil war but afterwards, not much else.   Spain sent some troops to help Hitler with the Eastern Front and that's really about it.  Maybe some logistics in terms of letting the Kreigsmarine supply in Spain. Hitler was not at all happy about the lack of military support.  And probably most galling is the fact that Franco for the most part didn't go along with Hitler's policy toward Jews.  AFAIK he simply didn't hand them over to the Germans - although apparently there is some info that he may have changed policy had the Germans won and started pressuring him to act more in compliance with other Axis allies and territories.


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2019-03-15 06:43:24 PM  

SirEattonHogg: And probably most galling is the fact that Franco


I would have thought the most gualing thing would have happened in France.
 
2019-03-15 07:49:01 PM  

dywed88: born_yesterday: Put him in a landfill with the other rotting garbage.

Hire the Luftwaffe to fly him back to Morocco and dump him in the desert.


I was thinking toss him out at around 37,000. I'd love to see what happens to his remains when they hit the slipstream.

"When you attack Franco, you attack my family, over half of Spain, the monarchy and the Church which protected him," Franco's great-grandson Luis Alfonso de Borbon said in an interview published in conservative daily newspaper La Razon in October.
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2019-03-15 07:54:50 PM  

lycanth: dywed88: born_yesterday: Put him in a landfill with the other rotting garbage.

Hire the Luftwaffe to fly him back to Morocco and dump him in the desert.

I was thinking toss him out at around 37,000. I'd love to see what happens to his remains when they hit the slipstream.

"When you attack Franco, you attack my family, over half of Spain, the monarchy and the Church which protected him," Franco's great-grandson Luis Alfonso de Borbon said in an interview published in conservative daily newspaper La Razon in October.
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Give me Luftwaffe, Morocco, and something that makes his supporters scream bloody murder and I will dance a jig.

This is better than nothing.
 
2019-03-15 08:58:35 PM  

Somacandra: SirEattonHogg: jaytkay: Franco is currently buried in a huge hillside mausoleum belonging to the Catholic Church

Because of his very fine Christian values.

...The first decade of Franco's rule following the end of the Civil War in 1939 saw continued oppression and the killing of an undetermined number of political opponents. Estimation is difficult and controversial, but the total number of people who were killed during this period probably lies somewhere between 15,000 and 50,000..."

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The one thing about Franco that one has to respect about Franco, if nothing else, is he is one of the few people who scammed Hitler.  He got Hitler to support him in the civil war but afterwards, not much else.   Spain sent some troops to help Hitler with the Eastern Front and that's really about it.  Maybe some logistics in terms of letting the Kreigsmarine supply in Spain. Hitler was not at all happy about the lack of military support.  And probably most galling is the fact that Franco for the most part didn't go along with Hitler's policy toward Jews.  AFAIK he simply didn't hand them over to the Germans - although apparently there is some info that he may have changed policy had the Germans won and started pressuring him to act more in compliance with other Axis allies and territories.

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One of the most impressive and moving paintings you'll ever see.  It's huge something like 11ft x 25ft so anything you see online just doesn't do it justice.
 
2019-03-16 03:07:08 AM  
So when is France gonna move Napoleon Bonaparte outta his tomb next?
 
2019-03-16 03:02:53 PM  
Just take his remains to the nearest garbage dumb or latrine.
 
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