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(News.com.au)   And no surprises about the beliefs and ethnicity of the Christchurch Mosque Killer. And he's got a manifesto. He plans to plead not guilty. That's a bold plan, Cotton   (news.com.au) divider line
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2019-03-15 12:29:24 AM  
"European"? "Homelands"? "Invasion"? "Projection much"?
 
2019-03-15 12:38:48 AM  

felching pen: "European"? "Homelands"? "Invasion"? "Projection much"?


I was wondering when Australia and New Zealand became European lands.
 
2019-03-15 12:47:18 AM  

BizarreMan: felching pen: "European"? "Homelands"? "Invasion"? "Projection much"?

I was wondering when Australia and New Zealand became European lands.


They are part of flat earff, duh!
 
2019-03-15 12:47:26 AM  
Don't spread that f*ckt*rd's name around.

People like him should be given a proper trial and upon conviction, dropped into the ocean with millstones chained to their necks.
 
2019-03-15 12:47:47 AM  
God damned terrorists.
 
2019-03-15 01:04:38 AM  

BizarreMan: felching pen: "European"? "Homelands"? "Invasion"? "Projection much"?

I was wondering when Australia and New Zealand became European lands.


Pretty much from the get-go.  Settler colonies of the British Empire (where you send lots of white people to live, as opposed to just a few to slap the natives around) always saw themselves as simply extensions of the Isles.  Even just a year before the Revolution kicked off, American colonists called themselves British - not in the sense of being members of the British Empire at large, but that they were actual Brits who happened to live a really long way from London.  Attitudes toward natives was also much more eliminationist  - the idea was that Britain was absorbing these areas into itself and natives were a vermin to be removed because you didn't have brown people crawling around Yorkshire (what they thought, not what was the actual state of the Isles, since there have been colonial natives bopping around Britain for centuries).  Non-settler colonies often viewed natives as inferior, or even sub-human, but they were a resource to be used and exploited, not gotten rid of.  A Brit in India said "These are the lesser beings we will use to make Britain stronger; how can I use them effectively?"; a Brit in Australia said "These are the lesser beings stopping me from recreating Kent; how can I drive them off or do a little light genociding?"  This attitude of Canterbury-upon-the-Parramatta changed as the settler colonies moved to be independent nations, but often because they had thinned out the natives already and after generations removed from Britain their idea of Kent had been shaped by the environment into something distinctly non-Kentish.

Think of how white people in America can with completely straight faces tell Native Americans they need to assimilate into the culture of the Americas (meaning white Anglo-American culture).  Same shiat, different continent.
 
2019-03-15 01:33:26 AM  
"White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization - how did that language become offensive?" Mr. King said. "Why did I sit in classes teaching me about the merits of our history and our civilization?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/us​/​politics/steve-king-trump-immigration-​wall.html

When those babies you claim we need to build our civilization rather than someone else's babies carries out terrorist attacks in the name of the bigotry that you embrace with all your malignant heart and wretched soul.  You can jump straight to hell and take this white supremacist protege POS with you and burn slowly.
 
2019-03-15 01:57:40 AM  
Your manifesto and a couple of bucks will get you coffee down at Denny's.
 
2019-03-15 02:35:09 AM  
So what's the worst penalty you can get in New Zealand for killing 40 people, with video evidence of the depravity of the crime available?

I mean, the guy complained in the video about dropping a magazine during the "firefight".  I assume they don't have the death penalty, but will he at least go away forever?
 
2019-03-15 02:53:32 AM  

davidphogan: So what's the worst penalty you can get in New Zealand for killing 40 people, with video evidence of the depravity of the crime available?

I mean, the guy complained in the video about dropping a magazine during the "firefight".  I assume they don't have the death penalty, but will he at least go away forever?


He gets sent to Australia?
 
2019-03-15 02:55:34 AM  

felching pen: davidphogan: So what's the worst penalty you can get in New Zealand for killing 40 people, with video evidence of the depravity of the crime available?

I mean, the guy complained in the video about dropping a magazine during the "firefight".  I assume they don't have the death penalty, but will he at least go away forever?

He gets sent to Australia?


Send him, actually them to this New Zealand territory,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_I​s​land
 
2019-03-15 03:21:55 AM  

davidphogan: So what's the worst penalty you can get in New Zealand for killing 40 people, with video evidence of the depravity of the crime available?

I mean, the guy complained in the video about dropping a magazine during the "firefight".  I assume they don't have the death penalty, but will he at least go away forever?


I looked it up on Wikipedia

According to WP these terrorists are looking at life imprisonment similar to America, not European life
 
2019-03-15 05:21:27 AM  
I should also add, don't watch the video.  If you haven't just don't.  Stop reading here if someone watching it bothers you.

I did watch it.  I shouldn't have.  Feel free to tell me what a terrible person I am, but I did.  When I was training to be an EMT one thing that I watched was a video for how to deal with people shooting at first responders, because that's something that actually happens sometimes.  I've also heard more than one person get shot.  I've seen enough videos that include horrific deaths that I figured what's one more.

I've seen dead bodies, I've seen people going through their worst moment of their lives, and in just being a paranoid human I watch shiat like this so I can help figure out how I'd escape if I'm ever again near people shooting guns at people.

I still wasn't ready for this sick farker.  He goes back out to his car to grab yet another gun, while listening to music from a meme off his car stereo, then goes back inside to shoot more people who survived the first attack.

I'm farking numb.  I'm farking sick of everything like this.  I can't imagine what kind of farked up person can commit a terrorist attack like the first round of shooting, but to go back there and do a second round of shooting the victims?

One thing I will point out is that someone tried to tackle the shooter.  He didn't succeed, but I hope he's recognized for trying.  I think he slowed the shooter, and probably let some people escape out other exits while the shooter was scrambling to reload afterward.
 
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2019-03-15 05:21:30 AM  
I may get a lot of flak for this post but so be it;

I have put a lot of thought into the issue of mass migration and 'invasions' etc, but I think that looking at the colonial powers and indeed nations comprised entirely of migrants like the USA shows us the answer to most if not all the problems cause by immigration; Integration - the fact is any person you met anywhere could be an immigrant, if they had the same skin colour and imitated a local accent I'd wager you'd be none the wiser, but this really demonstrates that the issues people have with migrants aren't anything to do with where they were born and what they look like, those are just excuses.

The flip side is we must also recognise that there are some immigrants that do things locals do not like, if these are addressed (i.e. free language classes etc) with the goal of integrating them into society.

The third and most important consideration is rate, while I think it's far too complex to generalise, we must recognise the pressure immigration rates put on communities and act prior to change, not after - building schools/housing/facilities before an influx occurs not after.

Ultimately think of all of it this way; How many people do you know that you would consider locals are the children of immigrants? Can you see how beneficial integration is? Heck, the US has the child of immigrants as president.
 
2019-03-15 06:24:17 AM  
Not guilty?

The man filmed himself, and live streamed his progress. Jeebus Frist, the whole exercise was to take responsibility and encourage others to do the same. By going with "Not Guilty" he wants to take a step back, now? After 40 people are dead? By his own hands?

The man gunned down children, and filmed himself doing so. You don't get to walk that back. You can't say, "Hey, I'mma a race hero because I gunned all these people down!" and then say, "...but I can't serve any time for that. Not what I signed up for." You want to be a martyr for your cause, then BE a f*cking martyr, jackhole.

On the plus side, you can bet that New Zealand is going to be watching and cracking down on hate groups and their online presence for damn sure after this.
 
2019-03-15 06:36:41 AM  

davidphogan: I should also add, don't watch the video.  If you haven't just don't.  Stop reading here if someone watching it bothers you.

I did watch it.  I shouldn't have.  Feel free to tell me what a terrible person I am, but I did.  When I was training to be an EMT one thing that I watched was a video for how to deal with people shooting at first responders, because that's something that actually happens sometimes.  I've also heard more than one person get shot.  I've seen enough videos that include horrific deaths that I figured what's one more.

I've seen dead bodies, I've seen people going through their worst moment of their lives, and in just being a paranoid human I watch shiat like this so I can help figure out how I'd escape if I'm ever again near people shooting guns at people.

I still wasn't ready for this sick farker.  He goes back out to his car to grab yet another gun, while listening to music from a meme off his car stereo, then goes back inside to shoot more people who survived the first attack.

I'm farking numb.  I'm farking sick of everything like this.  I can't imagine what kind of farked up person can commit a terrorist attack like the first round of shooting, but to go back there and do a second round of shooting the victims?

One thing I will point out is that someone tried to tackle the shooter.  He didn't succeed, but I hope he's recognized for trying.  I think he slowed the shooter, and probably let some people escape out other exits while the shooter was scrambling to reload afterward.


Hard pass on watching that shiat.
 
2019-03-15 06:53:37 AM  
Thousand-pound gods damned millstones.

Right off the continental shelf.
 
2019-03-15 07:16:55 AM  
What is it about murderous white people and manifestos?  They are ruining the word "manifesto" for the rest of us...
 
2019-03-15 07:28:48 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: What is it about murderous white people and manifestos?  They are ruining the word "manifesto" for the rest of us...


So, you are saying you have a manifesto?
 
2019-03-15 07:29:28 AM  
You never hear of murders over a code or credo (other than cops)
 
2019-03-15 07:40:29 AM  

davidphogan: I should also add, don't watch the video. If you haven't just don't. Stop reading here if someone watching it bothers you.


I caught a glimpse of it because some jackass posted a clip of it on Twitter that started autoplaying.  I thought I had that stuff filtered out, but I guess it slipped through Twitter's stringent screening process.  It pretty much broke me.
 
2019-03-15 07:40:34 AM  
People praising the attack are clamouring about being censored when reuploads of the attack are taken down by the NZ police.

Do not go to the places where that kind of thing is common. The comments are disgusting.
 
2019-03-15 07:40:36 AM  
He's low income but took a 7 year trip around the world?
 
2019-03-15 07:41:38 AM  
Well he was almost right: there are invaders trying to destroy a future for our children. But I don't think he suspected that right wing whackjobs are those invaders. What an asshole.

/farking terrorists
 
2019-03-15 07:42:48 AM  

Chris Ween: bigfatbuddhist: What is it about murderous white people and manifestos?  They are ruining the word "manifesto" for the rest of us...

So, you are saying you have a manifesto?


Well, I haven't killed anyone yet, so I don't really count as murderous.  My grandmother came off the reservation, so I don't really count as white.

So, to answer your question, yes, a long rambling one, where I blame most of the world's problems on the second Beastie Boys album...
 
2019-03-15 07:43:39 AM  
Probably not going to be a popular opinion, but the one real thing to take away from the whole manifesto is just that this guy was a white supremacist who wanted to create division, including within the US.  Pretty much everything else touched upon - race, religion, politics, culture - is probably just there to sow further division, and I don't buy any of it.
 
2019-03-15 07:43:44 AM  
 I have very little sympathy for France. The problems they're having with disaffected North African immigrants are karma for how horribly they treated the Algerians for 130 years.
 
2019-03-15 07:45:05 AM  
Well it sure is nice to wake up check the news and have a f*ckin auto play of that livestream.

I just threw up.

Do they have the death sentence in NZ?
 
2019-03-15 07:45:13 AM  
So....he describes himself as "a kebab removalist."  Is this an actual occupation, or is it as racist Urban Dictionary searches are suggesting?
 
2019-03-15 07:45:47 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: Chris Ween: bigfatbuddhist: What is it about murderous white people and manifestos?  They are ruining the word "manifesto" for the rest of us...

So, you are saying you have a manifesto?

Well, I haven't killed anyone yet, so I don't really count as murderous.  My grandmother came off the reservation, so I don't really count as white.

So, to answer your question, yes, a long rambling one, where I blame most of the world's problems on the second Beastie Boys album...


License to Ill is a masterpiece of white culture. But i cannot support the remainder of their work.
 
2019-03-15 07:47:30 AM  

Weidbrewer: So....he describes himself as "a kebab removalist."  Is this an actual occupation, or is it as racist Urban Dictionary searches are suggesting?


It's worse than what Urban Dictionary suggests to be honest.
 
2019-03-15 07:48:29 AM  

davidphogan: I should also add, don't watch the video.  If you haven't just don't.


I did and I learned two things from it:

1) Playing dead doesn't work in a situation like this where the guy keeps ambling back and forth between rooms of dead people shooting the presumed corpses over and over and over and over again. If this is your strategy for surviving a mass shooting incident, you might want to rethink that. Didn't do shiat for these folks.

2) Dude spends about half his time monkeying around with the magazines* for his weapon, constantly popping them out and in and looking at them. I feel like he probably spent more time playing with his gun than shooting it. If you can't run or hide and fighting back is your only option, wait for a lull in the shooting while the guy farts around with his gun to attack him immediately with whatever you got at hand.

*Or is it a clip? I don't actually farking care, because you're just as dead no matter what word you use.
 
2019-03-15 07:48:45 AM  

hubiestubert: Not guilty?

The man firlmed himself, and live streamed his progress. Jeebus Frist, the whole exercise was to take responsibility and encourage others to do the same. By going with "Not Guilty" he wants to take a step back, now? After 40 people are dead? By his own hands?

The man gunned down children, and filmed himself doing so. You don't get to walk that back. You can't say, "Hey, I'mma a race hero because I gunned all these people down!" and then say, "...but I can't serve any time for that. Not what I signed up for." You want to be a martyr for your cause, then BE a f*cking martyr, jackhole.

On the plus side, you can bet that New Zealand is going to be watching and cracking down on hate groups and their online presence for damn sure after this.


He wants more attention and the admiration of bigots and racists. Of he pled guilty there would be no circus of a trial.

If it doesn't work that way in NZ, someone from or living there please correct me.
 
2019-03-15 07:48:55 AM  
he carried out the attack to "directly reduce immigration rates to European lands".

O_o

Are a lot of New Zealand Muslims immigrating to Europe?
 
2019-03-15 07:49:42 AM  

2_glass_eyes: Probably not going to be a popular opinion, but the one real thing to take away from the whole manifesto is just that this guy was a white supremacist who wanted to create division, including within the US.  Pretty much everything else touched upon - race, religion, politics, culture - is probably just there to sow further division, and I don't buy any of it.


Ah the rare False Flag Killer who murders people ironicly to prove a point but doesn't actually believe the White Ethno-Supremacy BS he's spouting - so his actions should not reflect on good honest white supremacists who are fine people.
 
2019-03-15 07:50:16 AM  

davidphogan: So what's the worst penalty you can get in New Zealand for killing 40 people, with video evidence of the depravity of the crime available?


Life in prison without parole. Murder is always a life sentence there, with a minimum of ten years to be served. If he was convicted for this in the UK I would expect a "whole life" tariff - ie no parole.
 
2019-03-15 07:50:22 AM  

Kittypie070: Don't spread that f*ckt*rd's name around.

People like him should be given a proper trial and upon conviction, dropped into the ocean with millstones chained to their necks.


If we do that then we don't know what motivated the shooter.
 
2019-03-15 07:50:51 AM  
What a hero of the "master" race looks like:
cdn.newsapi.com.auView Full Size


Looks like he wants french fried potaters umhumm
 
2019-03-15 07:51:39 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Kittypie070: Don't spread that f*ckt*rd's name around.

People like him should be given a proper trial and upon conviction, dropped into the ocean with millstones chained to their necks.

If we do that then we don't know what motivated the shooter.


I'd say the meme-filled "manifesto" he lifted from /pol/ and posted on 8chan prior to the shooting does a good enough job.
 
2019-03-15 07:53:12 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Kittypie070: Don't spread that f*ckt*rd's name around.

People like him should be given a proper trial and upon conviction, dropped into the ocean with millstones chained to their necks.

If we do that then we don't know what motivated the shooter.


We know the motivation, off the charts hatred, he already told us with his manifesto.
 
2019-03-15 07:53:32 AM  

hubiestubert: The man filmed himself, and live streamed his progress. Jeebus Frist, the whole exercise was to take responsibility and encourage others to do the same. By going with "Not Guilty" he wants to take a step back, now? After 40 people are dead? By his own hands?


He may be hoping for jury nullification but it's more likely that he wants the chance to spout of in court and ignite a race war. If you plead guilty you get to say practically nothing.

Or, of course, they have got the wrong person.
 
2019-03-15 07:54:03 AM  
Glad they got a picture out there to end all the speculation. Now we know it's a mental illness situation, not terrorism.
 
2019-03-15 07:55:18 AM  

orbister: hubiestubert: The man filmed himself, and live streamed his progress. Jeebus Frist, the whole exercise was to take responsibility and encourage others to do the same. By going with "Not Guilty" he wants to take a step back, now? After 40 people are dead? By his own hands?

He may be hoping for jury nullification but it's more likely that he wants the chance to spout of in court and ignite a race war. If you plead guilty you get to say practically nothing.

Or, of course, they have got the wrong person.


He should ask Charles Manson how that worked out for him.

Oh right, he died in prison.
 
2019-03-15 07:55:18 AM  
Still couldn't find his manifesto in full text. Some sources say he mentioned Breivik others don't.  Anybody know about that for sure?
 
2019-03-15 07:55:24 AM  

Commander Lysdexic: 2_glass_eyes: Probably not going to be a popular opinion, but the one real thing to take away from the whole manifesto is just that this guy was a white supremacist who wanted to create division, including within the US.  Pretty much everything else touched upon - race, religion, politics, culture - is probably just there to sow further division, and I don't buy any of it.

Ah the rare False Flag Killer who murders people ironicly to prove a point but doesn't actually believe the White Ethno-Supremacy BS he's spouting - so his actions should not reflect on good honest white supremacists who are fine people.


Huh?  Maybe I didn't type what I meant - the ethno-supremacy BS was the part he did believe, most of the rest is just included to incite conflict more than anything.  He might believe in some of it but it seems like a pretty hand-picked set of intentionally divisive issues to try to get more conflicts going
 
2019-03-15 07:55:51 AM  

Kittypie070: Thousand-pound gods damned millstones.

Right off the continental shelf.


No. Because civilised people do not kill people who pose no threat. We are better than he is.
 
2019-03-15 07:55:52 AM  

Chris Ween: bigfatbuddhist: Chris Ween: bigfatbuddhist: What is it about murderous white people and manifestos?  They are ruining the word "manifesto" for the rest of us...

So, you are saying you have a manifesto?

Well, I haven't killed anyone yet, so I don't really count as murderous.  My grandmother came off the reservation, so I don't really count as white.

So, to answer your question, yes, a long rambling one, where I blame most of the world's problems on the second Beastie Boys album...

License to Ill is a masterpiece of white culture. But i cannot support the remainder of their work.

Paul's Boutique

is a brilliant album. I'm not saying that it's worth the cost of having caused most of the world's problems. But it might be.
 
2019-03-15 07:56:05 AM  
Christchurch offender: 49 dead
Breivik: 77 dead
Bataclan: 130 dead
Mumbai: 174 dead
Pulse: 49 dead
Sutherland Springs: 26 dead
Vegas Music Festival: 58 dead

None of these massacres changes any facts on the ground about guns or immigration or religion.

Radicals, extremists, nutjobs gonna do what they do. Gotta work harder to identify them before they harm anyone.
 
2019-03-15 07:56:35 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: davidphogan: I should also add, don't watch the video.  If you haven't just don't.

I did and I learned two things from it:

1) Playing dead doesn't work in a situation like this where the guy keeps ambling back and forth between rooms of dead people shooting the presumed corpses over and over and over and over again. If this is your strategy for surviving a mass shooting incident, you might want to rethink that. Didn't do shiat for these folks.

2) Dude spends about half his time monkeying around with the magazines* for his weapon, constantly popping them out and in and looking at them. I feel like he probably spent more time playing with his gun than shooting it. If you can't run or hide and fighting back is your only option, wait for a lull in the shooting while the guy farts around with his gun to attack him immediately with whatever you got at hand.

*Or is it a clip? I don't actually farking care, because you're just as dead no matter what word you use.


Didn't the Waffle House guy grab the shooter's gun when he went to reload?
 
2019-03-15 07:57:40 AM  

Calypsocookie: Well it sure is nice to wake up check the news and have a f*ckin auto play of that livestream.

I just threw up.

Do they have the death sentence in NZ?


Let's find out!
 
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